Immigration standards

I work with migrant workers in my job. I
am appalled sometimes at the amount of difficulties and prejudices they face.
It is virtually impossible for those that are illegal to become “legal”.
Basically there is a law right now that says if you crossed the border illegally
you can’t change your immigration status. If you try to and they realize
you have been here longer than 6 months then you can be banned from the country-
for three to ten years. Everyone talks about the problem of so many illegal
aliens- no one addresses that it is virtually impossible to become legal here and
it is practically impossible to get a Visa to come and work here so it is a no win
situation for those seeking to just have a chance at a better life and more opportunities.
I could go on but that is enough of my soap box..

 

Jessica

 

-----Original Message-----

From: ranchos@...m
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Erlinda Castanon-Long

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006
12:12 PM

To: ranchos

Dialog of the Dead --> with the Living

Daniel
Reveles wrote three books about the border town, Tecate, Mexico, in which each
chapter is it's own story.  In the second or third book, "Tequila, Lime and
Salt", page 95, the story is called, "Big Caca's Revenge".  Big Caca is the
Mexican border patrol agent.  He's big, mean, and his last name happens to
be Cacabellos.
He
extorts money from people coming into Mexico with goods brought over from the
U.S., throughout all three books, he does this, (first book is "Enchiladas, Rice
and Beans" and the other is "Salsa and Chips". ) 
 
Well,
in the last book Big Caca finally finds love and begins to court this
woman.  He takes her into the U.S. into Temecula for a romantic
weekend.  While there, they get acosted by a U.S. Customs agent demanding
their "papers" allowing them to visit the U.S.  Big Caca has his, but his
lady-love, Lizette does not, the papers are back at the hotel.
Needless to say they deport her back to Mexico ending their little romantic
getaway.  Big

Immigration standards

The immigration issue in the United States goes beyond the Mexican and 
Canadian borders.  The quota's for European countries is much higher 
than for Africa, Asia, Mexico or South America. Granted that times are 
much more frightening for many Americans but this has been going on as 
long as legal immigration has been an issue. If your skin is light you 
have a much easier time getting into this country legally. Times are 
changing but sadly not on this issue.. 
Linda in Everett




Dialog of the Dead --> with the Living

Victor:
 
I could add to your message that many of this
opponents to immigration are descendents of "illegal" immigrants. As we 
know, "illegal" immigration was notorious thru the Canadian border too
(Europeans). I found, like you, a double standard on the issue. I believe is
just about the color of the skin, unfortunately. I couldn't agree with you
more.
 
Susana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:48
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Dialog of the Dead
--> with the Living

Emilie,

The group has been rather quietly lately so
I'm using this opportunity
to make an additional comment on the "Dialog of
the Dead" play.  I
understand that it might not be directly related to
genealogy but
since Joseph brought up the subject I hope nobody will
complain.

I have previously expressed an opinion about one experience
that could
be common among some of us that are in pursuit of our

Dialog of the Dead --> with the Living

Emilie,

The group has been rather quietly lately so I'm using this opportunity
to make an additional comment on the "Dialog of the Dead" play.  I
understand that it might not be directly related to genealogy but
since Joseph brought up the subject I hope nobody will complain.

I have previously expressed an opinion about one experience that could
be common among some of us that are in pursuit of our genealogical
roots:  the contrast between finding our dead relatives and finding
our living relatives.  Relations with our dead are so easy; they do
not prejudge us; they do not make any kind of demands; we just embrace
them as part of ourselves regardless of what, where or who they were
and that's the end of it.  Relations with the living, particularly
those distant living relatives that we rediscover thru our
genealogical endeavors, can be and often are very complicated.  And,
aren't we all related at some point back in time? 

Our prejudices and misconceptions of life usually get in the

[Fwd: Genealogy humor]





-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Genealogy humor
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:04:46 -0800 (PST)
From: natalie coleman
To: Joseph Puentes




Joseph - here is some genealogy humor - I know,
it's not Ranchos related - but thought you could use a laugh.  Take
care. Share with the group if you like.
 
natalie
 
The following is from:   http://genealogue.blogspot.com
 

Saturday, January 14, 2006

Top Ten Reasons Genealogy is Better than Sex

10. No shame in doing it alone or with a group.



9. The magazines have better articles.



8. Not creepy to think of your grandparents doing it.



7. Madonna will never write a book about it.



6. Can do it online without sending the kids to bed.



5. Doing it Register style won't
throw your back out.



4. Only protection required is a backup disk.



3. Can hire a professional without risking arrest.



2. People don't

Question about Immigration records--Laredo, TX

Arturo,
 
That "somebody else in the group" that you promised to look up information
for was me, Emilie Garcia.
 
I wanted you to see if they had anything on my father, Guadalupe Olague,
who came to the US on December 14, 1916 through the El Paso, TX border
crossing.  I think his father, Francisco Olague, his sister Soledad Olague,
and his grandmother Rafaela Tinajero (Olague) may have accompanied him. 
Maybe his uncle Ygnacio Olague and his family were with him also.
 
I'll be anxious to see if you find anything.
 
Thanks,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:18
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Question about
Immigration records--Laredo, TX

I live walking distance to NARA.  I can probably make
it over
sometime this week and look at the film for you.

There was
somebody else in the group that I had promised to look
for.  Can you
please help out my

Question about Immigration records--Laredo, TX

I live walking distance to NARA.  I can probably make it over 
sometime this week and look at the film for you.

There was somebody else in the group that I had promised to look 
for.  Can you please help out my memory.  It was a few months back 
but I have not been back since then.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda  wrote:
>
> I know that NARA has the following record available,
> but I was unable to determine if I can order it
> through my local family history center. It doesn't
> appear that I can.
> 
> "A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
> Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
> 1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 
> 
> at:
> http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379
> 
> I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
> not even sure has information on my
> great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
> Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
> Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help

New Member/A personal perspective





Jessica Castaneda wrote:

Thanks for
the suggestion. I am sitting
here trying to get started and I guess the best thing would be just to
start
ordering the films

be a sneeker, "Just do it." Sacrifice a movie and just order two films.
It will take some time but go through them frame by frame. If you have
a digital camera take it with you and copy the records for each surname
your family also holds in comon. . .later you might recognize it as
being one of your own family members if you don't recongnize it right
away. Make sure you collect oral history as complete as you can with
regards to your husbands siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, and
grandparents and siblings.



guestimate the ages if you don't have an index. if he the person you
are looking for was first born then figure his parents were in the
range of 15-25 unless one or both parents are getting remarried. and
figure they had kids on average of 9-18 months between.



and yes your husband was

Help with Questions/Immigration Records

Thanks, Carol! Marge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Carol Turner wrote:


Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's

been almost two years since I've been there viewing

the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't

have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.

I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll

keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I

hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or

more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls

just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time

frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso

films and how they are indexed. 



--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:



> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records.

> The 1930 Census

> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913

> and my grandfather

> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records

> to come to KC's

> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)

> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol

double surnames and Cultural Identity

I always say, I am Mexican, but was born here.  Invariably, I am
always asked by Mexicanos, what part of Mexico? It seems that an immediate
formation of one's family background is formed when you tell them where...which
means I am considered a nortena - and my progressive ideas almost seem to be
forgiven (lol)
 
...but the truth is that I raised by a family from La Barca,
Jalisco...whose family migrated to Guadalajara - which was considered provincial
(by elders), and a certain decorum was expected as a female.
 
....ah, pero la sangre llama, and I was never able to conform to the
provincial expectations, despite the many hours dedicated to crocheting, sewing,
and strict upbringing of culture/manners.  I was always "out there", almost
tom-boyish, with radical ideas, ready to defend them verbally.....not acceptable
for a provincial upbringing....where the art of social graces was an expectation
(meaning that I had to be quiet, demure, and find my way through acceptable

Pronunciation of Guadalajara

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In a message dated 1/22/2006 12:34:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
sgapodaca@... writes:


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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>PS. By
the way, talking about long words, last september, on my
honeymoon in
Michoacan, my wife and I visited a place called San
Juan
Parangaricutirimicuaro. (No kidding).



That town is not too far from my husband's side of the family - I told him
that I want to hear the Tarascos speak - I bet they sound oriental - as most of
the town names seem to end with an "o" - actually, I think the last "uaro"
stands for "place",,, Beautiful part of Mexico, isn't
it?

NARA Immigration Records

The following NARA site has extensive information on their Immigration 
Records for Mexican Border Crossings. There is a lot of information - 
and I recommend that you read it carefully, despite its length - it is 
comprehensive. I don't think there is an index. Please NOTE - the 
filming of these records has not been completed, and may take about 
another 8-12 months to complete.

The NARA site is:
     http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html

ncc in VA





Help with Questions/Immigration Records

Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's
been almost two years since I've been there viewing
the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't
have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.
 I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll
keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I
hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or
more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls
just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time
frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso
films and how they are indexed.  

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. 
> The 1930 Census 
> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913
> and my grandfather 
> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records
> to come to KC's 
> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)
> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:
> 
> > Joseph, this is a good topic.
> >
> >  Since I have my grandfather's

New Member/A personal perspective

Thanks for the suggestion. I am sitting
here trying to get started and I guess the best thing would be just to start
ordering the films. My husband says I am crazy and there is now way I will find
anything- I know I can if I can just have a little patience.
- Jessica

 

-----Original Message-----

From: ranchos@...m
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Edward Serros

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006
10:58 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Re: New
Member/A personal perspective

 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo
Ramos" wrote:


>

> Jessica:

>

> I think you are going to have somewhat of a
difficult time since I


> think that the Valparaiso films are not
indexed in familysearch.  I


> know that Ed Serros is researching family in
that parrish so he can


> probably give you some better tips about what
to do, but it may


> entail simply ordering the films and going
through them.  Many of the


> books from the 19th century have indexes

Help with Questions/Immigration Records

Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. The 1930 Census states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913 and my grandfather in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records to come to KC's NARA or what? Thanks. Marge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:


Joseph, this is a good topic.



Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of

an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at

least I hope these are good dates.



This is what he wrote down on his application:



He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908

Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.

He states he was coming to remain permanently

He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two

friends

He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX

I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my

grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -

Port of Entry - El Paso.



Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El

Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX.

The

Question about Immigration records--Laredo, TX

I know that NARA has the following record available,
but I was unable to determine if I can order it
through my local family history center. It doesn't
appear that I can.

"A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 

at:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379

I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
not even sure has information on my
great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help?

Chris Pineda

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Immigration records

My gr-grandparents and grandparents and relatives came through 
Laredo Texas in March 1916. They went from Jerez Zacatecas to 
Aguacalientes to catch the train but the trains had been knocked out 
so they walked and road on to Monterrey.In the recording of my 
grandfathers sister she says her father held all the money for the 
group and she, her husband and baby got separated. At the border 
they charged $5.00 to delouse the group before they could cross so 
after her parents and the rest of the family got through, Paula her 
husband Donaciano and baby had no money pay for delousing so they 
walked up the road and crossed the river, they found the rest of 
their family waiting on Texas side of the boarder. Once in Texas 
they worked as sheepherders and farm laborers, they learned 
armadillo taste like chicken. They were in Texas throu 1917 saving 
money to move on. Paula said sometimes people would be nice to them 
letting them camp on their land and have water, other times they 
were

Help with Questions/Immigration Records

Joseph, this is a good topic.

Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of
an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at
least I hope these are good dates.

This is what he wrote down on his application:

He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908
Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.
He states he was coming to remain permanently
He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two
friends
He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX
I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my
grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -
Port of Entry - El Paso.

Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El
Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX. 
They don't have an index for Eagle Pass and hopefully
will purchase this because when you go through the
microfilm it's in date order everyone that came in
that day and year, it's not in alpha order and unless
you know the date it's looking for a needle in a
haystack.  

My question would be:  Since I have

double surnames and Cultural Identity

Jofes, I never knew you were BORN in Mexico. Where were you born? Memarge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:


depending on who's asking and what I'm feeling I'll ask the question

when asked what I am:



"Are you asking what my ethnicity is or what my nationality is?"



Most of the time I say I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA



I just move on and let them figure it out, but their next word better

not be, "But. . ." because then I'll give them a lesson about who was

here first and how Mexican people should not be considered "New" to the

United States. And who would they consider the true owners to be and how

would they feel about the ownership of property if someone stole it from

them.



And yes my skin can become pretty light especially over the winter when

I stay inside most of the time, but let me get out into my garden and I

almond up pretty good. But don't let anyone call me "white". . .one day

this black woman saw me eating Churches Chicken and she said,

Pronunciation of Guadalajara

The word Guadalajara is from the Arabic  Wad-al-hidjara, meaning "River Running Between 
Rocks"


Here is a good tongue twister about the town in Michoacan with the long name:

El otorrinolaringologo de Parangaricutirimicuaro se quiere 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar porque si no se 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizara lo van a 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar.

"The eye-ear-nose-throat doctor in Parangaricutirimicuaro wishes to stop practicing in 
Parangaricutirimicuaro because if he doesn't stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro they 
will make him stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steve G. Apodaca"  wrote:
>
> Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
> read (in Spanish).
> 
> However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
> Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
> incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15

Help with Questions/Immigration Records



I'm in contact with a fellow podcaster who has a podcast on "Ports of
Entry." (http://homepage.mac.com/ms5/POE/) Basically a lot of info on
immigration records. Great for us to learn more on this subject.


I know it has nothing to do with our specific area but if you have
questions that I might be able to incorporate into an interview I'd
appreciate your help.


What do you want to know on this subject?

thanks,

joseph







double surnames and Cultural Identity




depending on who's asking and what I'm feeling I'll ask the question 
when asked what I am:

"Are you asking what my ethnicity is or what my nationality is?"

Most of the time I say I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA

I just move on and let them figure it out, but their next word better 
not be, "But. . ." because then I'll give them a lesson about who was 
here first and how Mexican people should not be considered "New" to the 
United States. And who would they consider the true owners to be and how 
would they feel about the ownership of property if someone stole it from 
them.

And yes my skin can become pretty light especially over the winter when 
I stay inside most of the time, but let me get out into my garden and I 
almond up pretty good. But don't let anyone call me "white". . .one day 
this black woman  saw me eating Churches Chicken and she said, "Come on 
Joe white people don't eat churches." Well they never called me white 
again and I even heard that woman (in my

Pronunciation of Guadalajara

Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
read (in Spanish).

However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15 years and I 
heard "Guanatos" a lot.

I use it every now and then. I don't know the origin of it, but I 
suppose people say it just to abbreviate because "Guadalajara" is a 
long word.

Saludos.

Steve

PS. By the way, talking about long words, last september, on my 
honeymoon in Michoacan, my wife and I visited a place called San 
Juan Parangaricutirimicuaro. (No kidding).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>





Pronunciation of Guadalajara

Hello Joseph,

If you mean Spanish pronunciation, there is just one correct way to
pronounce the word Guadalajara.

(gwädä-lä-härä)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guadalajara

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>