Nuestros Ranchos Site

If you see your email address in this list you need to immediately email
me at: makas@... If I don't receive communication from you I'll be
forced to unsubscribe you from the Ranchos group on Jan 31, 2006. I
understand there are good reasons why you haven't submitted your
genealogy yet and all I want to do is open a dialog so we can discuss
this subject.

Sincerely,

Joseph Puentes Owner/Moderator

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Si miras su direccion del internet aqui manda me un email immediamente
a: makas@.... Si no oigo de usted voy cortar su subscripcion del
grupo Ranchos el dia 31 de Enero de 2006. Entiendo que hay razones
buenos porque no has mandado su arbol genealogico y nomas quiero entrar
en conversacion de esto.

Sinceramente,

Joseph Puentes Dueño/Mediador



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I thought this was hilarious. Just wanted to share!



1. No man is truly well-educated unless he learns to spell his name
at least three different ways within the same document. I resolve to
give the appearance of being extremely well-educated in the coming
year.

2. I resolve to see to it that all of my children will have the same

names that my ancestors have used for six generations in a row.

3. My age is no one's business but my own. I hereby resolve to never
list the same age or birth year twice on any document.

4. I resolve to have each of my children baptized in a different
church -- either in a different faith or in a different parish

I thought this was hilarious. Just wanted to share!



1. No man is truly well-educated unless he learns to spell his name 
at least three different ways within the same document. I resolve to 
give the appearance of being extremely well-educated in the coming 
year.

2. I resolve to see to it that all of my children will have the same 
names that my ancestors have used for six generations in a row.

3. My age is no one's business but my own. I hereby resolve to never 
list the same age or birth year twice on any document.

4. I resolve to have each of my children baptized in a different 
church -- either in a different faith or in a different parish. 
Every third child will not be baptized at all or will be baptized by 
an itinerant minister who keeps no records.

5. I resolve to move to a new town, new county, or new state at 
least once every 10 years -- just before those pesky enumerators 
come around asking silly questions.

6. I will make every attempt to reside in counties and

Hi Arturo,
Thank you for posting the photos of your trip to Mexico. How wonderful 
to share such a trip with so many family members. Thanks, too, for 
sharing the oral history.

Natalie in VA

Arturo, thank you for sharing your photo's and the family memories of 
the history of your family and the area they lived in.  I've only been 
to Mexico once in 2003 but the words and  photo's brought back 
beautiful and sometime sad memories.  The photo of your father at his 
ancestral home brought back the memory of me standing in front of my 
gr-grandparents, Vicente Castanon and Maria Gertrudis Caldera, adobe 
home in El Durazno, Jerez Zacatecas.  My family is also lucky to have 
a recording and transcription of my grandfathers sister talking about 
1916 and what brought about their leaving Mexico, she says her 
parents, Vicente and Maria Gertrudis, would never would have left if 
not for the revolution and the starvation it caused.  My grandmother 
Juana Sanchez (Castanon) was the only one who would go visit family in 
Mexico and once her mother died in 1953 she never went back again. My 
father visited in 1936 and then me in 2003. 

Thank you again for sharing,
Linda in Everett

For anybody who is interested, I have posted pictures of my trip on 
my family's website.  Most are captioned, to provide some context.  
You will see a picture of my grand-uncle Poncho, whose stories I 
listed to and recorded.  Attached is a snippet on some of my family's 
oral history that I was able to gather.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=18

Al tío Juan, padre de Petra lo mataron cuando iban de arrieros a 
Guadalajara con carga de huevo y otros productos agrícolas.  Luego 
traían manta, rebozos y cabeza de indio de Guadalajara.  Lo mató la 
federación en El Teul a causa de un mensaje que llevaba a Guadalajara 
por los Cristeros para la gente que daba fondos para la guerra.  La 
guerra fue propagada por conservadores en Guadalajara que daban los 
fondos económicos para pelear la guerra.  De regreso también los 
esperaban los Federales, pero les avisaron que había reten y pudieron 
cambiar de camino y escaparon.  A otros arrieros también los mataba 
la

Arturo, me ganaste con el comentario.

Indeed, all those presidents that you mentioned had indigenous or 
african roots. However, as I understand, the mother of Porfirio 
Diaz, Petrona Mori, was actually a Mixteca indian. A while ago, in 
Mexico, I bought four interesting magazines that talked, in detail, 
about the life of all the presidents of Mexico. I need to reread 
those pages, but I clearly remember the data that you mention. Also, 
Plutarco Elias Calles, the one ruling Mexico during the cristero 
war, had northern african ancestors.

I'll check the biographies, and will try to put some interesting 
information on mexican presidents.

Steve Apodaca

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
> > It is of no surprise that there has been no Mexican President 
with 
> obvious  
> > Indian/African heritage (except one)....even President Fox can 
place 
> all his  
> > ancestry coming from

I want everyone to be on the look out for broken links.

I was informed by Rosalinda that there were a pile of dead links and boy
was there. she has fixed a lot of those she could.

I just want to say that this was a bigger job than I had invisioned and
want to thank her publicly for her work to help keep Ranchos running
smoothly.

Thanks Rosalinda,

joseph

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
> It is of no surprise that there has been no Mexican President with 
obvious  
> Indian/African heritage (except one)....even President Fox can place 
all his  
> ancestry coming from Europe...
>  
> Esperanza
> Chicagoland area

There have actually been a number of presidents in Mexico of Indian and 
African heritage...

Benito Juarez, Zapotec Indian
Porfirio Diaz, Zapotec Indian
Victoriano Huerta, Huichol Indian from Colotlan
Vicente Guerrero (el negro), Mulatto

Emile, you are great.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Victor,
> 
> As usual your observation is as astute as always.  I
> did identify with some of the debaters, those that
> took the middle road.  I think we all need to get
> together and advance our situations by sticking
> together and not going off on tangents to the
> extremes, such as the Aztlan group.  It is
> unfortunate that those in that group do not realize
> that people like Pat Buchanan stir the Anglo
> populace up by making it look like that fringe group
> speaks for us all, and that we are all into
> "Reconquista" which brings up to the Anglos the
> specter of armed brown hordes seeking to re-conquer
> the land.  We are slowly re-conquering anyway, due
> to the American economy being so dependent on cheap
> Mexican labor in manufacturing, agriculture and
> services.  We just need to tone down our resentments
> and work towards ensuring that this country

Not only blacks...
Sorry to say that not only blacks have denied their
own race but many of those of Mexican blood have done
the same, even in my own family.  Such shame can be
spread among most of us.  Most of this shame is due to
ignorance.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California 

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Here is an interesting article in the San Jose
> Mercury News titled, ''DNA is undeniable''. It was
> sent to me by my brother, very interesting and so
> relevant to what we have been discussing this week.
>    
>   Alicia
>    
>   DNA is undeniable -- we're all closely
> related``Every year,'' I once overheard my father
> say jokingly to a friend, ``thousands of Negroes
> disappear.'' I remember my 8-year-old imagination
> going into overdrive, picturing people zapped from
> their homes in the middle of the night. It was only
> as I grew older that I realized that the people my
> father was talking about were choosing to disappear,
> running away from

Rosalinda, I had not heard of this author or poem before.  It's the 
first time in a long time I cried while reading something.. so 
powerful.. I can understand why Joseph wants it recorded.  Thank you 
for making me aware of it. I love this group!

Linda in Everett

>From what I remember, the Black Legend refers to how
the English tried to portray the Spanish. It refers to
the idea that the Spanish had a cruel streak within
them, as evidenced by the Inquisition that was
happening in Spain to the known abuses that some
Spaniards inflicted on Native Americans. The Black
Legend is sort of a case of the victor writing the
history--especially, after the English victory over
the Spanish armada in 1588, making the English the
undisputed ruler of the seas.

I hope this helps.

Chris Pineda

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> What is the Black Legend?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 


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Aha!  Now I think I know how surnames came to be so confusing in Mexico.  John

What is the Black Legend?

joseph