Apologies: Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza

I aplogize to the group.



I might better keep the words I've heard in my youth to myself if I
don't know the complete root and previous historical use of such words.
If I slip up and do this again please do remind me.



Emilie
Garcia wrote:
 

What are some examples of the peculiarities of speech in Jalisco?

I don't have access to the full text of the dissertation referred to
and was hoping someone in the group might have an idea.



joseph

 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject:
[ranchos] Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza





John Gonzalez wrote:

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in Jalisco, where 
people are complimented for having "Ojos Tapatios", go to gdlclub.com
go the section titled : Editoriales, Especiales and and move your 
pointer down to "Ojos Tapatios,"

Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza



I
don't know spanish :o(
so
what did she really say?  If it's too bad use the @%#%$%^#@^  symbols,
please.
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Margarita
Vallazza
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:30 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos, Dientes,
Lengua, Cabeza

When my dad was teaching my mother Spanish,
he was teaching her bad words. She was taking citizenship class and the
teacher asked my mother to take care of the class while she stepped out. As
soon as the teacher left, the class was buzzing. My mother, very
authoritatively, told the class to "Callense el osico," thinking she was
telling them to be quiet. She said you could hear a pin drop, and someone told
her what she had really said. Marge:)

On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:35 PM,
Joseph Puentes wrote:



John Gonzalez wrote:

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in
Jalisco, where
people are

Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza

When my dad was teaching my mother Spanish, he was teaching her bad words. She was taking citizenship class and the teacher asked my mother to take care of the class while she stepped out. As soon as the teacher left, the class was buzzing. My mother, very authoritatively, told the class to "Callense el osico," thinking she was telling them to be quiet. She said you could hear a pin drop, and someone told her what she had really said. Marge:)





On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:


John Gonzalez wrote:

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in Jalisco, where

people are complimented for having "Ojos Tapatios", go to gdlclub.com

go the section titled : Editoriales, Especiales and and move your

pointer down to "Ojos Tapatios," click there and you will see beautiful

"Ojos Tapatios".



Cool. I looked and saw that some of the men were shown (truthfully the women were my choice for the most beautiful). . .so do men have Ojos Tapatios tambien?



well I'm not so

Family History Center microfilm cost

 The Murrieta HFC will be charging $ 5.95
per film...
 
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:17
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Family History
Center microfilm cost

Wow!
That's quite a price-hike!  Why so much?  Has anyone ever asked if
they are going to offer online request where we could request films online,
request the FHC we'd like the films sent and pay with a credit card, all
online?  Not that my FHC's are far, but it seems like a worth while
alternative.  Also, who could I send this suggestion to? 
 
Peggy
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven F.
Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:59 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Family History
Center microfilm cost

Yes, they have also
done

Ramos and Cardenas Familes

I can also attest to that.  Angie is one outstanding 
genealogist/analyst.  A while back she helped me connect with another 
Ranchos member.  I had looked at her report and missed the connection, 
but lucky for me Angie didn't.

Kudos Angie--I'm glad you're part of this group.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> You're a peach!!!!  Do you know when you look and look and look and 
somehow
> you just say, "ok, I'll go back and search again, but not now.." 
because
> your eyes are crossing and you're getting frustrated?!??!?!?  I could 
never
> find this after searching for weeks and BAM - like a little angel you 
bring
> me this little piece of my puzzle!  Thanks!
> 
> 
>   Good luck on your search,
>   Angie Godina
> 
> 
>




Mexico Trip Report Part I

Welcome back, Arturo.  And happy new year!

Looking forward to read more about your trip in your next messages.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> I just got back from two and a half weeks in Mexico.
> 
> 





Jerez, Zacatecas. La Inmaculada

Susana and Arturo,

Read my message about ADABI.  How about contacting that group and ask 
them to consider these records for a project?

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> Susana:
> 
> If you read my previous message you will note that there are in 
fact 
> a great deal of records at the Inmaculada parrish in Jerez that are 
> not filmed... Leonardo de la Torre Berumen has transcribed a great 
> deal of these records but filming them would also be valuable.  I 
> don't know if it is going to be possible given the condition that 
> they are in and according to Leonardo make them difficult to film 
and 
> is perhaps the reason why they passed them up in the first place.
> 
> There are also records in Colotlan that are not filmed.  The priest 
> there is obstinate about not allowing access so it would require 
> permission from the bishop in Zacatecas.  If you are interested in 
> pushing this forward, I would be willing to help.
> 
> -

Question: Mexican army records from Zacatecas

Hello all,

Let me know if you can help. I recently learned that
my great-great grandfather served in the Mexican
cavalry in Zacatecas, perhaps around Tlaltenango,
although there might be some connection to Torreon,
Coahuila as well.

His name was Pedro Pineda, and he was probably born
between 1844 and 1864, as his son, my
great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda was born in 1884. Any
help would be appreciated...as of now, I don't really
know anything more about him, aside from the fact that
he had a wife named Pioquinta ____dosa. Also, does any
one know if there were any military engagements in
Zacatecas around this time that involved the cavalry?

Chris Pineda
pineda37@...


		
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Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza

Joseph,
 
You are so funny!  (Humorous, I mean).  However, I don't think
that cabezones, narizones, etc applies only to Tapatios.  My mother, who
was from New Mexico called me pendeja (stupid), cabezona (stubborn), etc. even
though I have very tiny features (many people think I am Asian, and I look like
my father who was tiny also).  My husband, on the other hand, is a typical
Tapatio (tall, skinny---6 feet and 165 pounds, Roman nosed, bald, white,
freckled, with a receded chin, and small ears that stick out).  So he is a
narizon, orejon, flaco, and his mother used to call him "demonio".  I asked
him if he had ever heard the term "hijo de V-chi" and he said no.  His
mother did call him tarugo, which he says means "knucklehead".  My father
used to tell me "callese el osico" even though he knew only animals have osicos,
we have bocas.
 
What are some examples of the peculiarities of speech in Jalisco?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----

Ramos and Cardenas Familes

You're
a peach!!!!  Do you know when you look and look and look and somehow you
just say, "ok, I'll go back and search again, but not now.." because your eyes
are crossing and you're getting frustrated?!??!?!?  I could never find this
after searching for weeks and BAM - like a little angel you bring me this
little piece of my puzzle!  Thanks!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of aajay1073
Sent:
Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:08 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Ramos and Cardenas
Familes

Peggy,

Are Maria Manuela's parents,
Juan Domingo RAMOS and Feliciana
Victoria CARDENAS?

If so, here is
their marriage record:

JUAN DOMINGO RAMOS
  Male
Groom's
Parents:
  Father:  DIEGO DE SANTIAGO
  Mother: 
BERNARDA DE CASAS
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FELICIANA VICTORIA DE
CARDENAS
  Marriage:  15 FEB 1733   San Luis, Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico
Bride's Parents:
  Father:  BARTHOLOME DE
CARDENAS
  Mother: 

Family History Center microfilm cost

Wow!
That's quite a price-hike!  Why so much?  Has anyone ever asked if
they are going to offer online request where we could request films online,
request the FHC we'd like the films sent and pay with a credit card, all
online?  Not that my FHC's are far, but it seems like a worth while
alternative.  Also, who could I send this suggestion to? 
 
Peggy
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven F.
Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:59 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Family History Center
microfilm cost

Yes, they have also
done this at my local
Family History Center located in
Covina, California.  The prices
went up from $3.75 to $5.50 and it was effective as of
January 1,
2006
.  I was rather
shocked at this price hike.  It’ll definitely put a damper on my film
orders.

 

Steven
H.

 

-----Original
Message-----
From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com

FYI: LDS update

Rosalinda I was asking my FHC director today about that price increase
going into effect on the 15th and she said that is correct but she
understood it was for films that were send out on or after the 15th so
even if you order today the new price will effect those films as well.
And a related comment about the ScanStone project (thanks Josie for
your article):



Subject: [FHCNET] Digitization - The Scanstone Project




   At the FGS convention, I believe, it was announced that the 
"Scanstone Project was underway.


     It is designed as hardware/software to improve the output  and
throughput of the Granite Mountain Records Vault to convert our
microfilm collection to digital images.


          Using it, a roll of microfilm is scanned in 6 minutes, then
rescanned in another 6 minutes.


     Then these are audited in about 4 minutes, then converted to 
digital images and compressed. This takes another 7-8 minutes. So a
roll of microfilm is completely converted within ½ hour.


        

Ramos and Cardenas Familes

Peggy,

Are Maria Manuela's parents, Juan Domingo RAMOS and Feliciana 
Victoria CARDENAS?

If so, here is their marriage record:

JUAN DOMINGO RAMOS
  Male
Groom's Parents:
  Father:  DIEGO DE SANTIAGO
  Mother:  BERNARDA DE CASAS
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FELICIANA VICTORIA DE CARDENAS
  Marriage:  15 FEB 1733   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Bride's Parents:
  Father:  BARTHOLOME DE CARDENAS
  Mother:  CATARINA MORILLO
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.: 
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

Here are some of their children:
+ LUIS BELTRAN CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 03 NOV 1737 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 
+ MARIA DE LA CONCEPON. RAMOS CARDENAS
Gender: Female Christening: 14 FEB 1740 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 
+ CLEMENTE CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 08 DEC 1747 San Luis, Colotlan

Family History Center microfilm cost

Yes, they have also done this at my local Family History Center located in Covina, California.  The prices went
up from $3.75 to $5.50 and it was effective as of
January 1, 2006.  I was rather shocked
at this price hike.  It’ll definitely put a damper on my film
orders.

 

Steven H.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: ranchos@...m
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lareina2@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006
9:15 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Family History
Center microfilm cost

 

Hi group--

 

I have just
returned from my local Family History Center.  Today the director told me
that he has been informed of a price increase for the ordering of films. 
The cost will go up to $5.75 per film to order the first time, and for each
renewal after that will cost $5.75, until the film becomes
indefinite.  The price change goes into effect on January 15th, so if you
have any films to order, or if you need to renew films, do so soon. 

Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza





John Gonzalez wrote:

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in Jalisco, where 
people are complimented for having "Ojos Tapatios", go to gdlclub.com
go the section titled : Editoriales, Especiales and and move your 
pointer down to "Ojos Tapatios," click there and you will see beautiful
"Ojos Tapatios". 



Cool. I looked and saw that some of the men were shown (truthfully the
women were my choice for the most beautiful). . .so do men have Ojos
Tapatios tambien?



well I'm not so sure I have them but I am pretty sure I have Dientes
Cazacanes/Tepecanos/Tepehuanes:
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~grobbins/huh.html



Colotlán (Northern Jalisco).
Colotlán can be found in Jalisco's northerly "Three-Fingers" boundary
area with Zacatecas. This heavily wooded section of the Sierra Madre
Occidental remained beyond Spanish control until after the end of the
Chichimeca War. It is believed that Indians of Cazcan and Tepecanos
origin lived in this area. However, this zone became

Ojos Tapatios

it must be so, Maria de Lourdes was "the ojos tapatios" during the 1970´s.    Thanks

elviraz escribió:
When that program first came out,  the ojos tapatios shown belonged to Elvira Quintana, an actress from Spain who had made her life in Mexico. You should have heard the rauckus that ensued until  the actres was changed.  I must have missed whose eyes followed.
 
Elvira
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos Tapatios

hi Rosalinda, there is a ranchero singer lady called Maria De Lourdes, mexican, her eyes was the window opener for a tv show "Noches Tapatias". Ojos tapatios are large, brown, almond shape, large eyelashes, Guadalajara Jal is named after Guadalajara Spain, were the moors ruled, so ojos tapatios decend from the moor´s eyes. Another kind of ojos tapatios are the same but green instead of
brown, or blue. Or remember the song

Ojos Tapatios

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in Jalisco, where 
people are complimented for having "Ojos Tapatios", go to gdlclub.com
go the section titled : Editoriales, Especiales and and move your 
pointer down to "Ojos Tapatios," click there and you will see beautiful
"Ojos Tapatios". 




Mexico Trip Report Part I



Hey!  I, just recently, found that I DO have a connection in
Totatiche........I have ancestors, Jose Leonisio Hernandes married Maria Manuela
Ramos married in Totatiche on 04/271768.  Although I can't find Maria
Manuela's record of birth there, I have a record for her brother and sister:
Joseph Alvino Ramos, born 03/12/1759 and Maria Martina Ramos, born
11/14/1756.
I also
have  a record for Jose Leonisio's sister, Maria Guadalupe Hernandes, born
12/26/1755.
 
Can I
add these new limbs to my file?  I can't remember if there's
room!
 
Also,
this Tuxpan you mentioned, is there many, or only one "Tuxpan".  My
mother-in-law, who's maiden name is Padilla, says that her great-grandfather was
from here, and she mentioned him being some sort "alcalde" or mayor and that t
here was a statue of him...was there some sort of statue in Tuxpan of a man
who's last name would be Padilla?  Or is that another Tuxpan?  I
really haven't researched my husbands family yet, but I enjoy

Jerez, Zacatecas. La Inmaculada

Arturo Ramos
wrote:

 

"Susana
Leniski stated:
I also called the main Library in
Utah with this
information. I spoke to the same expert, and she took
some notes. I have my
doubts that my petition for microfilming was
forward. Does anyone know where
I can petition formally the
microfilming of these records? What can we
do?"


class=592400120-05012006>
 

Hi to
all!


class=592400120-05012006>
 

I am a little
late but want to wish everyone the very best in 2006!


class=592400120-05012006>
 

In trying to
catch up with my e-mail I found the message above from Arturo Ramos and I have a
suggestion:


class=592400120-05012006>
 


class=592400120-05012006>    When I was in Salt Lake City in
October, 2003 I met Karen A. Jepson, Community Relations Specialist of the
Family & Church History Dept. at the FHC.  Her department handles
microfilming.  Her e-mail address is: 
href="mailto:jepsonka@...">jepsonka@...

 

I do not know who
Susana Leniske spoke to but it would not hurt to try this
route.


face="Courier New">
 

Josie in San
Antonio


FYI: LDS update

This is a must read and some exciting news........Very interesting!
 
Josie in San
Antonio



-----------------------------------------
LDS to put
microfilm in vaults on Internet

-----------------------------------------
Huge effort planned to index
family history data

By Carrie A. Moore, Deseret Morning News


Ever wonder what's inside those secured vaults, owned by the LDS Church,
positioned high inside the granite walls of Little Cottonwood Canyon?

The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is working toward allowing anyone
with Internet access to learn more than they've ever known before about the
information contained on 2 million-plus rolls of microfilm housed
there.  Currently, the church is
compiling searchable indexes to that information and will eventually make it
available for free through an automated database on the Internet.

The
church excavated the vaults containing those records on property it purchased in
the 1960s, providing a safe repository during the

Ojos Tapatios

When that program first came out,  the ojos tapatios
shown belonged to Elvira Quintana, an actress from Spain who had made her
life in Mexico. You should have heard the rauckus that ensued until  the
actres was changed.  I must have missed whose eyes followed.
 
Elvira
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:13
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos
Tapatios

hi Rosalinda, there is a ranchero singer lady
called Maria De Lourdes, mexican, her eyes was the window opener for a tv show
"Noches Tapatias". Ojos tapatios are large, brown, almond shape, large
eyelashes, Guadalajara Jal is named after Guadalajara Spain, were the moors
ruled, so ojos tapatios decend from the moor´s eyes. Another kind of ojos
tapatios are the same but green instead of brown, or blue. Or remember the
song "spanish eyes". it aplies also.  Leticia
Leon


lareina2@... escribió:
Hi folks

Mexico Trip Report Part I

Arturo.......it sounds like your trip was great even though
you could not visit the Archivos.  Thank you for sharing your experience
and I look forward to reading about the rest of your "adventure".......it makes
me feel as if I was there also!
 
Josie
in San Antonio


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Arturo
Ramos
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:51 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Mexico Trip Report Part
I

I just got back from two and a half weeks in
Mexico.

Though I did not spend them in "working" on genealogy or
historical
research, as I did have the need to spend time with my family and

decompress at the beach for some days, I did get a fair amount of
work
done.

I arrived in Guadalajara, Jalisco on Dec. 17.  I met up with
my
brothers and my younger brother's Japanese host-mother to celebrate

our birthdays in Tlaquepaque with mariachis.  The singer had lived in

Japan for three years and sang to my brother's

Jerez, Zacatecas. La Inmaculada

Arturo Ramos
wrote:

 

"Susana
Leniski stated:
I also called the main Library in
Utah with this
information. I spoke to the same expert, and she took
some notes. I have my
doubts that my petition for microfilming was
forward. Does anyone know where
I can petition formally the
microfilming of these records? What can we
do?"


class=592400120-05012006>
 

Hi to
all!


class=592400120-05012006>
 

I am a little
late but want to wish everyone the very best in 2006!


class=592400120-05012006>
 

In trying to
catch up with my e-mail I found the message above from Arturo Ramos and I have a
suggestion:


class=592400120-05012006>
 


class=592400120-05012006>    When I was in Salt Lake City in
October, 2003 I met Karen A. Jepson, Community Relations Specialist of the
Family & Church History Dept. at the FHC.  Her department handles
microfilming.  Her e-mail address is: 
href="mailto:jepsonka@...">jepsonka@...

 

I do not know who
Susana Leniske spoke to but it would not hurt to try this
route.


face="Courier New">
 

Josie in San
Antonio


Ojos Tapatios

Thank you Gloria!!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
glo Sandoval-Fuentes
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:37 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos Tapatios

Janet,

You are both BEAUTIFUL, and tus ojos tanbien!

gloria



               ~~glo~~







From: "janet iglesias" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos Tapatios
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:49:23 -0800




Hi Rosalinda:

I have attached pictures of my daughter and myself. We always hear that we
have "Ojos Tapatios".

 

~Janet Iglesias

Murrieta, Ca.


From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos Tapatios
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:39:43 -0800





 

From: lareina2@...
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Ojos Tapatios


Hi folks,