Bingo! The only one paying attention. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duartewrote: > > Not only of Latin America, but of all the Americas. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > Santa Maria, California > > --- "v.h.villarreal" > wrote: > > > Joseph, > > > > The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates > > back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in > > Latin America. Read the quote below: > >
Not only of Latin America, but of all the Americas. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- "v.h.villarreal"wrote: > Joseph, > > The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates > back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in > Latin America. Read the quote below: > > En la "CEDULA REAL SOBRE LA FUNDACION DE LA > UNIVERSIDAD DE MEXICO" se menciona "Dada en la > ciudad de Toro en 21 del mes de septiembre de 1551". > Fue dictada por el Rey y Emperador Carlos V. > Menciona el Emperador en la Cedula: "he sido > suplicado fuesemos servidos de tener por bien que en > la dicha ciudad de Mexico se fundase un estudio e > UNIVERSIDAD DE TODAS LAS CIENCIAS DONDE LOS > NATURALES Y LOS HIJOS DE ESPAÑOLES fuesen > industriados en las cosas de nuestra Santa Fe > Catolica en las demas facultades Y LES CONCEDIESEMOS > LOS PRIVILEGIOS Y FRANQUEZAS Y LIBERTADES QUE ASI > TIENE EL ESTUDIO E UNIVERSIDAD DE LA CIUDAD DE > SALAMANCA..." "Desde los primeros
Hi Joseph: I ran into a bit of information that I find hard to believe. I have a book titled: Teocaltiche Tierra de Arrieros y Hacendados con Familias Ilustres. The author is Nicolas de Anda Sanches. On page 47. I quote: " Tambien de este linaje desciende Dn. Juan de Alva que era arriero o carretero en el siglo pasado y que segun Dn. Victoriano Salado Alvarez, iba hasta los estados de Nuevo Mexico y Texas, a él se le atribuye ser el padre del "scientifico patentador" de miles de inventos, Dn. Tomas Alva Edison, nos lo comenta en el capitulo II de sus Memorias, correspondiendole a Encarnación de Diaz, ser la abuela de dicho personaje." I always thought that Thomas Edison's family came from Canada. Can anybody shed some light on this? Any ideas? John Gonzalez Wildomar CA.
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In a message dated 12/20/2005 1:36:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
auntyemfaustus@... writes:
I think my mother was nuts - her name is Esperanza, she named her first
daughter "Linda Esperanza", named her 2nd daughter Maria Norberta (after a grandmother), and then seemed to have forgotten names....naming me Esperanza. I have a niece whose name is Hope (she lives in Canada) and another niece whose middle name |
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Hi all,
Wishing you all had a wonderful Christmas and all of us a Happy New
Year. I just came in town and saw all the emails--taking my time to go through
them all, so I apologize if I am a little late on this response, which caught my attention. When I went Ghana, Africa, I learned about the "adrinka" symbols whose
origins are said to be of the Ivory coast, originating by the Asanti people. As I stared at the beauty of the symbols, one struck my attention - I had seen it before. I asked the professor about this particular symbol, and guess what - it is one that can be seen in Spanish architecture - probably coming from the Moors. What the professor was claiming that the adrinka symbols was unique to Ghana was probably erroneous, especially considering that Ghana was a center of trade long time ago --- so the poor professor had to acknowledge that the Ghanaian symbol probably evolved from a combination of other northern or eastern African cultures as well as the |
So during the colonial times were there any learned indivduals in
Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors? Architects? Poets? etc?
I guess I'm looking for that time period from the Conquest to the
1800's. I realize that the closer you get to current times you will have
a much larger selection of examples of the above, but I'm wondering what
was going on during the 400 years between 1500-1899?
just curious,
joseph
ps: didn't Spain open up a handful of Universities in these early times?
I
wonder what the graduates of these Universities were doing?
Joseph,
The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in Latin America. Read the quote below:
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Joseph,
I know that in the 1800's, just there in Jerez alone, there were lots of
painters, poets, and intellectuals. (I just found one of my Reveles line was a "pintor" and since he later worked for MGM as a set designer in the 20's to 40's, I know he didn't paint buildings. Also, in the book I have called Historia de Mexico, there is a chapter on "Vida Intelectual y Artistica en el Periodo Colonial". I will transcribe it for you, but it will be slow going since it is a smelly moldy old tome that I am allergic to and can only handle it for a short time before I start to cough, etc. Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA----
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Mi deseo es que tienen un prospero año nuevo: |
with regards to the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. What topics
dealing with Mexican History would you be interested in listening to?
I'm trying to get up a list of topics to pursue getting someone to talk
about.
joseph
Maria
I am interesteed in two families the first is Romo de Vivar and the other is the De La Torre families.
I am also interested in getting information on how I could acquire the books of the Retonios de Espania en la Nueva Galicia
Thanks
Jose Alfredo De La Torre Romo
So during the colonial times were there any learned indivduals in
Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors? Architects? Poets? etc?
I guess I'm looking for that time period from the Conquest to the
1800's. I realize that the closer you get to current times you will have
a much larger selection of examples of the above, but I'm wondering what
was going on during the 400 years between 1500-1899?
just curious, joseph
ps: didn't Spain open up a handful of Universities in these early times?
I wonder what the graduates of these Universities were doing?
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Thanks Elvira!!! I knew they were
great names, now I'm a little more educated on what they mean. Thanks!
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Yes, Gloria,
Estijeras is one word I remember. Also "muncho" rather than
"mucho". "Estenazas" I don't remember. My father, who spoke good Castellan and was from Zacatecas was always correcting her Spanish, and since we had learned the language from her and her family due to our separation during WWII, my sister and I just gave up speaking it, rather than be constantly scolded by Daddy. He also hated it when my mother would say, "Tu saves?" constantly. My husband thinks she meant to say "sin embargo" but she used "tu saves" instead. My husband says he remembers their accent more than anything else and the manner of speech: "hequia" for acequia, etc. Also, because of the invasion of Americans into their territory in the late 1840's, their speech included lots of Americanisms: Carro instead of auto, discear for disking the land, etc. Their accent I remember when they spoke English, was a slightly Spanish accented Western twang, like the American cowboys, and |
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Elvira,
Thank you so much for the information on these novelas.
Emilie
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Yeah, my mom, born near Magdalena, New Mexico, also used old Spanish words: estijeras instead of tijeras estenazas instead of tenazas The following site, states: Origen de estenazas y de estijeras parece aragonés. http://www.hoyabunolchiva.org/iec/iec/publicacions/REV2/B5.HTM She said muncho instead of mucho. My dad who was from Mexico thought it was funny. An interesting url for the Ladino Language: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~benven/ladino.html Gloria who sometimes forgets and say muncho!!
Great link Victor. You are better than a search engine! Thanks. Maria Cortez --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"wrote: > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote: > > > > Now who ever said that the Jáuregui family was not discussed in José > > Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías' book titled Genealogía de > > Nochistlán, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII. That > > is totally NOT TRUE. I already read the whole book from cover to cover > > and entered much of the information from the book into my own family > > tree. Despite the abundance of errors, José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez > > de Frías has a lot of great original research. > > > > If anyone has the book, I invite them to open it to pages 76 through > > 78, Capitulo 21-Descendencia de Juan de Chávez Salguero y Francisca de > > Siordia. Their daughter Josepha de Siordia-Chávez, married Juan > > Francisco Jáuregui, in Nochistlán on 4 Dec 1662.
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emilie,
Yes, they are like miniseries. As I
understand it, a Mexican department store chain came up with the idea of celebrating its 100 anniversary with a series of historical novelas, so they commissioned the novelas already in existence plus others in the planning to be put on CD, DVD, and tapes. They are fairly cheap to way cheaper on e-bay than through other sources. Most are under 30 dollars. some are adapted to so many DVDS, others are complete. Here's a list of some that are available. The
summaries are not mine, they are found on the internet under various authors. to find them just type in the novels' names and look for the one that rads the name plus the word telenovela: La antorcha encendida. Summary: Three centuries of Spanish domination. Three hundred years
in which the discontent roiling the population of New Spain has grown along with their wounds of injustice, exploitation, poverty and discrimination. It is in this awakening Mexico that the love |
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I am temporarily back home, so here are
some of the names you were wondering about. I have some of them in my family also. You'll notice that the spanish Priests never picked stupid, insulting names, only uplifting ones and worthy of emulation. Elvira
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Alicia,
while I think it's a wonderful idea, I don't think I (or every
member) could commit to reading the same book. How about one member
reads a book of their choice and makes a presentation to the rest of
the group on the highlights
of the book. We could also consider a
book-exchange. I loan you one of mine and you loan me one of yours
and we exchange back at the next meeting. At any rate, I'll add this
topic to our next meeting's agenda.
Maria
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Note to : Alberto Duarte. Thank you for the information on Steven Hernandez, Ill try to establish a connection with him.
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John, I was mistaken about the organization the gentlemen belong too; he told me it was called SHHAR, not Somos Primos. I'm trying to contact him through SHHAR and once I do, I'll get his email address and forward it to your attention. In my search for the above unknown gentlemen, I found a genealogist that does has information on the original Gonzalez families from Los Altos that may help you in your research. I've listed his name and email address below. Please contact him. Steven F. Hernández pacorro73@... sfhernandez1@... Regards, Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote: > > 1gnzlz@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Puentes > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:32 AM > Subject: [ranchos] Alberto Duarte: 1550: Suave!!! > > > > can you contact the Westwood FHC and ask them if > they know who you are talking about? Maybe he is a > regular patron of that FHC. I would
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote: > > Now who ever said that the Jáuregui family was not discussed in José > Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías' book titled Genealogía de > Nochistlán, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII. That > is totally NOT TRUE. I already read the whole book from cover to cover > and entered much of the information from the book into my own family > tree. Despite the abundance of errors, José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez > de Frías has a lot of great original research. > > If anyone has the book, I invite them to open it to pages 76 through > 78, Capitulo 21-Descendencia de Juan de Chávez Salguero y Francisca de > Siordia. Their daughter Josepha de Siordia-Chávez, married Juan > Francisco Jáuregui, in Nochistlán on 4 Dec 1662. Juan Francisco de > Xáuregui was born in San Sebastián, Señoría de Vizcaya, España. San > Sebastián is largest port city of the Basque country. Jáuregui is a > BASQUE surname and our Jáuregui
Now who ever said that the Jáuregui family was not discussed in José
Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías' book titled Genealogía de
Nochistlán, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII. That
is totally NOT TRUE. I already read the whole book from cover to cover
and entered much of the information from the book into my own family
tree. Despite the abundance of errors, José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez
de Frías has a lot of great original research.
If anyone has the book, I invite them to open it to pages 76 through
78, Capitulo 21-Descendencia de Juan de Chávez Salguero y Francisca de
Siordia. Their daughter Josepha de Siordia-Chávez, married Juan
Francisco Jáuregui, in Nochistlán on 4 Dec 1662. Juan Francisco de
Xáuregui was born in San Sebastián, Señoría de Vizcaya, España. San
Sebastián is largest port city of the Basque country. Jáuregui is a
BASQUE surname and our Jáuregui ancestor was very BASQUE.
Unfortunately the 1662-marriage document never mentions
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Hi Tony:
Incertidumbre
means: Uncertainty John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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