La Antorcha Encendida

The conversation about historical novelas got my attention. I 
remember that several years ago, when I still lived in Mexico, I 
watched some episodes of a historical soap opera.

It was called "La antorcha encendida". I did not watch it often 
because it came out late at night and I had to go to bed early. 
Still, the few episodes that I saw were very interesting. The story 
was about a ficticious gachupin family from Mexico in the early 
1800's. They described what the fictitious characters went through 
during the independence movement and was based on real events. Many 
historical figures came out on the story, and I was particularly 
amazed when I saw the scene showing how father Miguel Hidalgo was 
captured and killed. Other independence leaders, like Morelos, were 
also part of the story.

Anyways, I did a google search and found out that the series is 
available on dvd at amazon:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009XRZQ0/102-1725244-9552917?
v=glance&n=130

I'm planning on

Manitos speech and Ladino

Browse this:
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/epub/books/levy/toc.html

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Victor, the only one who still speaks with that accent and uses
those words that sound strange or are unknown to Mexicans is my Aunt
Emilia who is 92 years old and is the last of her generation.  I have
heard that many descendants of 16th and 17th century Spanish settlers
have discovered their Sephardic roots which explains to them many of
their ancestors particular habits, but my mother and her other
siblings would not hear of it if they were alive.  They considered
themselves "Spanish" and denied being Indian, but lately my aunt has
spoken of their Indian blood (Piro/Manso/Tewa---Pueblo tribes).  I
haven't heard that speech since my mother died in 1985 and I live far
from my aunt who has remained in the Mesilla Valley of New Mexico all
her life, so I can't think of any particular word or phrase.  I will
ask my husband, since he used to

Manitos speech and Ladino

Victor, the only one who still speaks with that accent and uses those words
that sound strange or are unknown to Mexicans is my Aunt Emilia who is 92 years
old and is the last of her generation.  I have heard that many descendants
of 16th and 17th century Spanish settlers have discovered their Sephardic roots
which explains to them many of their ancestors particular habits, but my mother
and her other siblings would not hear of it if they were alive.  They
considered themselves "Spanish" and denied being Indian, but lately my aunt has
spoken of their Indian blood (Piro/Manso/Tewa---Pueblo tribes).  I haven't
heard that speech since my mother died in 1985 and I live far from my aunt who
has remained in the Mesilla Valley of New Mexico all her life, so I can't think
of any particular word or phrase.  I will ask my husband, since he used to
make fun of their speech (he would imitate them to their faces!) and he would
ask me where my mother got certain words that he had

Alberto Duarte: 1550: Suave!!!

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:32
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Alberto Duarte: 1550:
Suave!!!


can you contact the Westwood FHC and ask them if they know who you
are talking about? Maybe he is a regular patron of that FHC. I would very much
like to interview him for the NFU Podcast Project. I
contacted the "Somos Primos" group trying to find information about this
person. They had no record of him and he is not, at the present time, an
active member. They have no idea of his whereabouts.
John.  

I would also like to
interview any member of Ranchos who feels they could concisely put their
research into a nutshell of 10-15 minutes in an audio file. What do you think
John Gonzalez?
 
Thank you for the invitation, I
appreciate it.  I feel that at the moment I am not ready
because I would like some more time to gather  more information

Meeting in Southern California



lareina2@... wrote:
Hi Deena,
 
I just sent a message to the group about this.  You can respond to me directly.  To answer your questions, I'm in charge (I guess I volunteered :) ), and my message asked about three dates in February-- either the 4th, the 18th, or the 25th.  I want to hold it at a restaurant (see the message for types of cuisine), and I'm looking at possible locations along the 10 freeway, perhaps in Covina or Ontario.
 
The message is titled, "IMPORTANT RE: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MEETING." 
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: Deena Ortiz
Sent: Dec 24, 2005 2:15 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Meeting in Southern California

So who exactly is in charge of putting a meeting together in southern
California?

Has a specific date and time been set and a location chosen?

(My vote is for anywhere along the 210 between Claremont and Pasadena, and
the best day for me is either the first or second Saturday in February.)

What's the agenda?

Will there

Historical Novels and CDs/Libros Latinos

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ed:
> 
> I purchased a book from "Libros Latinos"  Here is their address:  Libros Latinos,  301  
9th St.  Ste. B.  Redlands, CA.  92374
> 
> Their phone number is:  909-798-1342
 
John,

Thanks. I actually live in Redlands, so I went down to their warehouse, which contains an 
enormous amount of Spanish language books: history, fiction, art, you-name-it. The 
people that work there are very intense and appear serious about what they are doing. 
They have been around for 20-25 years. Some of the reference books, property of the 
owner and not available for purchase, are to die for.

These people periodically go down to Mexico and purchase the books that are requested 
by people, assuming the requested book is not already in stock. Obviously, these Spanish 
language books are not cheap since it takes much effort and cost to find these books and 
transport them back to USA. I was impressed with their organization

Manitos speech and Ladino

Emilie,

What you refer to as the peculiar speech of the manitos sounds very
similar to Ladino, the dialect spoken by the Sephardim.  Have you
compared some of the words/expressions that you remember in both?

Victor
ho.ho.ho


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> The 'manitos had been in New Mexico since Onate's time there, 1598,
but it could be that Cuba and Puerto Rico were settled by the same
group of Spaniards that settled New Mexico in the 16th Century.  I
agree that some of the speech is similar between the two groups.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---





Mary Allen's successful trip

After replying, I hit some key and erased everything I had written with so much passion.  That is good; now I can take a deep breath and be calm.
 
I do think you are correct in your evaluation.  Wife #2 was very possessive. I am certain of it.  When Petra was a lovely 22 year old living with her madrina, she received a photo of her father with this attractive very young woman he identified as his wife.  I can only imagine what Petra felt as she noticed that the woman had not only linked arms with her father but was holding his hand, rather awkwardly, as well.  She is hanging on to him!  I would consider the photo rather indiscreet.  Most photos of the time were rather formal.  Now when I see the photo it really annoys me. 
 
I am trying to find out who the madrina was.  I think her name was "Mariquita" but that is all I have.   After having
enjoyed a rather affluent life, when Petra moved in with her madrina, she had to help her in her little store.  I don't think she was

Alberto Duarte: 1550: Suave!!!



can you contact the Westwood FHC and ask them if they know who you are
talking about? Maybe he is a regular patron of that FHC. I would very
much like to interview him for the NFU Podcast Project.



I would also like to interview any member of Ranchos who feels they
could concisely put their research into a nutshell of 10-15 minutes in
an audio file. What do you think John Gonzalez?



if any of the ranchos members would like to participate let me know. .
.this would not be an interview but a monologue of you describing your
beginning, middel and end discoveries and the process involved. . .
.call it your own genealogical research oral history. It could be in
English or Spanish. Steven? Victor? Francisco? Rosalinda? Angie? José
Roman? Arturo? Kitty/Rich? Arturo? Connie? Deena? Lorenzo? Maria? Irma?
Nena? Alicia? Helyn? Ronnie? Gloria? Gloria? Peggy? Ed? Evie? Javier?
Josie? Mickey? Carol? Carol? Jonathan? David? Alberto? los demas? the
rest?



joseph



Alberto Duarte wrote:

John

Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family

Elvira,
 
How about "Heron" (a name I ran across while doing research this
week).
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: elviraz
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:39
PM
Subject: Re: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos]
Re: Godina Family

Agapito (Augapito) ought to be really glad he bears that
name!  Somebody loved him! That only means Loved One (from 
agape, the word for real love in the Greek language.
 
Zenobio= Cenobio(a)
Senobio(a)= Zenon=Cenon(a)=Senon(a) a variation of the
same name which roughly translated means devoted to Zeus.
Also spelled Xenon, Xenona.  I have those and
plenty of Aurelios and Aurelianos in my family.
 
Elvira
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re:
[ranchos] Re: Godina Family

How about my dad

Meeting in Southern California

Hi Deena,
 
I just sent a message to the group about this.  You can respond to me directly.  To answer your questions, I'm in charge (I guess I volunteered :) ), and my message asked about three dates in February-- either the 4th, the 18th, or the 25th.  I want to hold it at a restaurant (see the message for types of cuisine), and I'm looking at possible locations along the 10 freeway, perhaps in Covina or Ontario.
 
The message is titled, "IMPORTANT RE: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MEETING." 
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: Deena Ortiz
Sent: Dec 24, 2005 2:15 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Meeting in Southern California

So who exactly is in charge of putting a meeting together in southern
California?

Has a specific date and time been set and a location chosen?

(My vote is for anywhere along the 210 between Claremont and Pasadena, and
the best day for me is either the first or second Saturday in February.)

What's the agenda?

Will there be food?

~Deena Ortiz~




SPONSOR

Given Names

Elvira,
 
Are these historical Mexican novelas like mini-series that we see here in
the US?  I would love to see those, but we get no Spanish language
broadcasts here in the Seattle area.  Where could I get the videos or
DVDs?  I just love costume dramas.
 
Also, a long time ago, my Spanish friend told me that my mother, who was
from New Mexico, spoke a very old Spanish dialect and she even told me the
province or area in Spain where it was once spoken, but I can't remember
it.  Could it be Estremadura?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: elviraz
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:27
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Given Names

Actually, they sound more like
Mexicans.  
 
    If you can get it in your area, try
to watch a novela called  'Alborada".  It's a historical novel about
Mexico during the early 1800s.  It'll give you a good idea of Mexico
during that time. There are other

Meeting in Southern California

So who exactly is in charge of putting a meeting together in southern
California?


Has a specific date and time been set and a location chosen?

(My vote is for anywhere along the 210 between Claremont and Pasadena, and
the best day for me is either the first or second Saturday in February.)


What's the agenda?

Will there be food?

~Deena Ortiz~



Yusuf: Names 's' and 'z'/HOHOHO

Joseph, regarding the Je. and Ma. they are abbreviations for Jose and
Maria.  I have seen Juan abbreviated as "Jn.", Encarnacion as Encn. with
the n written in smaller and above the line, etc.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:02
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Yusuf: Names 's' and
'z'/HOHOHO

you said: I hope I sort of answered your
question

David. . .fabulous answer and I'm so glad I
asked.

thanks for taking the time to share with us things we need to
hear more
about and absorb. In fact why not consider adding a little here
and
there and tossing in a few references and producing a podcast on this

subject. It is something that many many people need to hear and I'd be

very happy to archive your message in both Audio and written form on the

NFU podcast. What do you think?

And while we're at it what do you
have to say about the

Given Names


The 'manitos had been in New Mexico since Onate's time there, 1598, but it
could be that Cuba and Puerto Rico were settled by the same group of Spaniards
that settled New Mexico in the 16th Century.  I agree that some of the
speech is similar between the two groups.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:08
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Given Names


They sound like Cubanos or Puertoriquenos to me.:) Marge
On
Dec 20, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:


These people were
known as "manitos" (the priests had told them they were Hermanitos), and
their nasally speech was unique, an ancient 16th century Spanish, where they
dropped the first and last parts of words as in 'equia for acequia, and
'manito for hermanito, and colorao for colorado, and they had beliefs and
practices unique to them.  Due to more mobility nowadays, that is all
gone.
 
?>

Spain: Castles, Cathedras, and Roman Ruins

I just put it on hold at my library. Marge:)

On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:


just watched a great video called Spain: Castles, Cathedras, and Roman

Ruins. If you are subscribed to the Blockbuster rental program it is

available on that. I don't know if you can get it at a regular

blockbuster. it goes all around Spain showing the oldest architecture

and giving some of the history behind it.



joseph









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Historical Novels and CDs

Hi Ed:

 

I purchased a book from "Libros Latinos" 
Here is their address:  Libros Latinos,  301  9th St.  Ste.
B.  Redlands, CA.  92374

 

Their phone number is: 
909-798-1342

 

Good luck.

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.



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I
am interested in your historical novel and other historical CDs. What source
do you use to
purchase these items? I could not find "Alborada" on Amazon
or Libros Latinos.

Thanks,

Ed




Spain: Castles, Cathedras, and Roman Ruins


just watched a great video called Spain: Castles, Cathedras, and Roman
Ruins. If you are subscribed to the Blockbuster rental program it is
available on that. I don't know if you can get it at a regular
blockbuster. it goes all around Spain showing the oldest architecture
and giving some of the history behind it.


joseph



Fw: Re: Puentes/Puente question

I don't mind sending it out to all.

David

-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: Joseph Puentes 
>Sent: Dec 23, 2005 2:07 PM
>To: "David P. Delgado" 
>Subject: Re: Puentes/Puente question
>
>this is good stuff. . .I can see that if the way people held their 
>tongues was different then also the way they heard and understood and 
>tried to interpret certain sounds both in their pronunciation and 
>writing was subject to a variety of errors. yes it is not so simple as 
>just "they were illiterate and wrote things any way they felt like at 
>the time."
>
>thanks much. . .you bring to the group a much needed perpective and 
>valuable education. please use it as often as your time will allow. And 
>my invitation to create an audio file for the NFU podcast will continue 
>to patiently wait for your submission. thank you.
>
>joseph
>
>ps: if you want to repost this to the group I'd welcome it but you decide.
>
>
>David P. Delgado wrote:
>
>>Joseph,
>>
>>In my response

Odd Names

My father's name was Agapito, when he joined the Navy, everyone called
him "Joe", when he came home everyone in the family started calling
him "Daddy Joe". When I married and had a son, (my husband's family
always names the first boy after the two grandfathers)my dad did not
want his grandson named "Agapito" so we named him "D.J." after Daddy
Joe (Agapito) and my son's name is Russell D.J. My father's mother was
"Baldomera",she had other names (which no one remembers) but she went
by "Baldomera". My Mom's grandfather's name was "Pantaleon Fuentes" (
I just found out) which I am researching in Jalisco.
Feliz Navidad to all! Hilda




Historical Novels and CDs





janet iglesias wrote:

"Amor Real" is on DVD @ Target or Walmart. It's also another soap
opera . . . It's suppose to be during the late 1800's in Mexico.



Blockbuster had this one but not the other two.



thanks again, I'll see what they are about when they come in.



joseph

 

Also, Pick up "Corazon Salvaje" on DVD . . . Time: Around 1600's
in Mexico.

 

Great Novelas!! 







Janet
Iglesias


From: Joseph Puentes


Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Historical Novels and CDs

Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:47:35 -0500

>

>

>Edward Serros wrote:

>

>>--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz"
wrote:

>>

>> If you can get it in your area, try to watch a novela called

>>'Alborada". It's a historical novel about Mexico during the
early

>>1800s. It'll give you a good idea of Mexico during that time.

>>There are other historical novelas about Mexico you can either
get

>>on tape or CD

Historical Novels and CDs

"Amor Real" is on DVD @ Target or Walmart. It's also another soap opera . . . It's suppose to be during the late 1800's in Mexico.

 

Also, Pick up "Corazon Salvaje" on DVD . . . Time: Around 1600's in Mexico.

 

Great Novelas!! 




Janet Iglesias


From: Joseph Puentes
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Historical Novels and CDs
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:47:35 -0500
>
>
>Edward Serros wrote:
>
>>--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz" wrote:
>>
>> If you can get it in your area, try to watch a novela called
>>'Alborada". It's a historical novel about Mexico during the early
>>1800s. It'll give you a good idea of Mexico during that time.
>>There are other historical novelas about Mexico you can either get
>>on tape or CD.
>>
>>Elvira,
>>
>>I am interested in your historical novel and other historical CDs.
>>What source do you use to purchase these items? I
could not find
>>"Alborada" on Amazon or Libros Latinos.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>

Historical Novels and CDs





Edward Serros wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz"  wrote: 

     If you can get it in your area, try to watch a novela called  'Alborada".  It's a historical 
novel about Mexico during the early 1800s.  It'll give you a good idea of Mexico during that 
time. There are other historical novelas about Mexico you can either get on tape or CD. 
 
Elvira,

I am interested in your historical novel and other historical CDs. What source do you use to 
purchase these items? I could not find "Alborada" on Amazon or Libros Latinos.

Thanks,

Ed

I'd be interested in listening to some of these as well. I just checked
Alborada on Blockbuster and couldn't find it, what are the names of
other historical CD's  I can try. thanks for the tip. . .i hope I can
find it.



or would anyone care to record a couple of the shows and send them to
me?



if so let me know,



joseph






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Soap: Historical Novels and CDs

Cool, since the subject is moving toward Soap I have a question. I make
soap, you know a little lye, a little h20 a lot of lard/fat/oil



well anyway my Tia Julia told me that Abuelita Virginia Diaz (dob: 1886
Close to Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco) used to also make soap
but she didn't know her recipe. Being that my grandmothers mom came
from the Tepetongo area but lived many years in Jalisco I'm kind of
"assuming" that is where the soap making ability/teaching came from.



So do any of you know if your grandparents or g-grandparents made soap?
If so do you all have one of their recipes? Do you recall where they
got their Lye or did they make it?



thanks,



joseph



ps: . . .soap opera. . .la opera de javon.





janet iglesias wrote:

"Alborada" is a soap opera @ 9pm on Univision.







Janet
Iglesias


From: "Edward Serros"


Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Historical Novels and CDs

Date: Fri, 23 Dec