Dear Emilie,
Maybe this question was already answered but I was looking at a map in
some book and found that there's a Saltrillo Jalisco just barely south
of the State of Zacatecas. Could your ancestor have been from there?
Marge:)
Aren't you
That's what I thought, too, Em! BTW, my middle name is Alicia...my folks said it was after a family friend but I don't remember ever meeting her. My first name is after my Scots mother's sister but in Spanish. I've since discovered that my aunt was named after her grandmother, who was named after her own grandmother. Had I known that I would have named one of my own daughters a variant of it. Marge, who is Shinju in Japanese.:)
On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:19 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
Well, Alicia, I have a sister, my only sibling, who is named Alicia Emma. I will have to tell her she should have a saint's name since she has a pagan name. Our parents had saint's names: Luisa and Guadalupe. I wonder where they got the name Alicia. There is no one in the family with that name. I know that I was named after my mother's mother, Emilia. My middle name is Christina---can't get any saintlier than that. I was born almost on Easter, maybe that is why the name Christina.
Or even my dads name is Augapito.
~~glo~~
From: Margarita Vallazza
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:57:34 -0600
Aren't you glad to not be named Reducindo or Reducinda? One of my
ancestors is named Narciso, another Prudencio, another Petronilo, and
another Zenobio...what names!!!! Marge:)
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Well, Alicia, I have a sister, my only sibling, who is named Alicia
Emma. I will have to tell her she should have a saint's name since she has a pagan name. Our parents had saint's names: Luisa and Guadalupe. I wonder where they got the name Alicia. There is no one in the family with that name. I know that I was named after my mother's mother, Emilia. My middle name is Christina---can't get any saintlier than that. I was born almost on Easter, maybe that is why the name Christina. Marge, most of the names you mention sound like they came from the classic
Greek or Roman---pagan? Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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Aren't you glad to not be named Reducindo or Reducinda? One of my
ancestors is named Narciso, another Prudencio, another Petronilo, and
another Zenobio...what names!!!! Marge:)
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I'm baaack We finally got our internet connection back - have been w/o internet since Oct 29, and had been checking email @library a few days each week, but really had very little time to read many of the digests as I could only use library computer for about 30 min (not near enough time to read the Ranchos messages). I have spent the past 1-1/2 hrs reading past messages and have read up to Digest #678/Nov 29. It has been wonderful and interesting; can't wait to read more - but will have to wait until tomorrow (it is past my bedtime ;) ). Thank you all for your contributions of knowledge & experiences. Y'all take care. Merry Christmas blessings to you all. Natalie Coleman in VA
They sound like Cubanos or Puertoriquenos to me.:) Marge
On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
These people were known as "manitos" (the priests had told them they were Hermanitos), and their nasally speech was unique, an ancient 16th century Spanish, where they dropped the first and last parts of words as in 'equia for acequia, and 'manito for hermanito, and colorao for colorado, and they had beliefs and practices unique to them. Due to more mobility nowadays, that is all gone.
Aren't you glad to not be named Reducindo or Reducinda? One of my
ancestors is named Narciso, another Prudencio, another Petronilo, and
another Zenobio...what names!!!! Marge:)
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Linda,
When was it that your father visited Durazno and was asked if some people
in California had black skins? You said 1836, but did you mean 1936 or 1986? That reminds me of what I once witnessed somewhere in Mexico or Jalisco or
Zacatecas a long time ago, around the 1960's, I guess (the last time I was in Mexico was 1968). An African-American tourist and his family (wife, two kids) were walking down a street, he with a camera slung around his neck, wearing shorts and sneakers, all gawking at everything. Unbeknownst to him, he and his family were being gawked at too. A small girl near me, a mestiza or Indian looking child, said to another child, "MI-ra los NeGRItos!" (in a sing-song type of voice that I guess denotes pity or the like). I couldn't believe that a small child would refer to a huge grown man in the diminutive 'negrito", but they also do that when referring to Asians - "chinitos" -- whether they are Chinese or Japanese. They truly don't know |
Correction.. my father is not 185 years old... he visited Jerez in 1936.... he's only 85.... Linda --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > In my family in Jerez Zacatecas the Mulato's were assimillated and > through the years by marrying into Espanol and Mestizo families they > eventually thought they were Espanol and Mestizo only. > > My Alcala family records show them as Alcalan and Mulato Libre or > Indio depending on which brothers marriage record you read in late > 1700's. They come to Jerez by way of Valparaiso and Fresnillo to > live in Labor de Marquez by 1780. By 1815 my direct ancestor Marcial > Alcala had married an Espanol woman and therafter they thought of > themselves as Espanol! > Abt. 1865 my ancestor Maria Marcos Alcala married Ambrocio Caldera > and the Caldera family always said they were Espanol. If I remember > correctly you and I share the Caldera line. I have found 1 record > that
Hi Alberto, In my family in Jerez Zacatecas the Mulato's were assimillated and through the years by marrying into Espanol and Mestizo families they eventually thought they were Espanol and Mestizo only. My Alcala family records show them as Alcalan and Mulato Libre or Indio depending on which brothers marriage record you read in late 1700's. They come to Jerez by way of Valparaiso and Fresnillo to live in Labor de Marquez by 1780. By 1815 my direct ancestor Marcial Alcala had married an Espanol woman and therafter they thought of themselves as Espanol! Abt. 1865 my ancestor Maria Marcos Alcala married Ambrocio Caldera and the Caldera family always said they were Espanol. If I remember correctly you and I share the Caldera line. I have found 1 record that suggests that the Garcia line married into the Caldera lines twice in late 1700's were also Indio and possibly Mulato, the record refers to him as Collote... I have the Garcia line in at least 2 of my lines. When my
Interesting point... Regarding the mulato slave, my uncle bought a mulata slave with a young child in the Jerez slave market, circa 1732, what ever happened to all the slaves that were set free, later on? I'm sure they just didn't disappeared. I believe they were assimilated among us. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Erlinda Castanon-Longwrote: > My family did this too. My mothers brother is > married to my fathers > sister. My aunt and uncle never had children but we > often joke that > thier kids would have looked just like my brother, > sister and I! It > took years for my maternal grandmother to get over > this, my maternal > line is fair skinned with blue eyes and my paternal > line is dark > skinned. I believe my grandmother picked up her > attitudes about skin > color in Mexico. Her fist question with > grandchildren was always > about their skin and eye color.. This is also the > grandmother who's > line is where I found my
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Alicia,
I was thinking that in some communities long ago certain names were very
common to that community, both given names and surnames. It may be that people lived so long and so isolated in one place that food, names, practices, accents, etc. became almost unique to the area. I had such trouble finding my mother's Provencio and Medina families in the Juarez-El Paso Valley and Mesilla Valley of Southern New Mexico because so many people had those names there and used the same given names over and over. My great-great grandfather was Jose Provencio and his second or third wife was my great-great grandmother Jesus Medina. I recently found I was on the wrong track in finding them because at the same period in time in the same area there was another couple with the same names! One of those Jesus Medinas (not mine) married another Provencio when her Jose Provencio died. These people were known as "manitos" (the priests had told them they were Hermanitos), and |
My family did this too. My mothers brother is married to my fathers sister. My aunt and uncle never had children but we often joke that thier kids would have looked just like my brother, sister and I! It took years for my maternal grandmother to get over this, my maternal line is fair skinned with blue eyes and my paternal line is dark skinned. I believe my grandmother picked up her attitudes about skin color in Mexico. Her fist question with grandchildren was always about their skin and eye color.. This is also the grandmother who's line is where I found my Mulato slave line... I honestly don't think she knew... In Tamazula Jalisco, my maternal grandfather's sister Rosa married his mother in laws brother Maximiano years before he married my grandmother. I'd have to assume that's how he met my grandmother... My aunt had photos that say these were the children of Maximiano and Rosa but no thought to mention they were double related. It seemed to be norm in Mexico for
This is a common occurence in my family. A set of brothers married to a set of sisters or brother/sister married to sister/brother. I even have a marriage extraction from my 6th great-grandfather who was married in a double cermony. He and his brother married a set of sisters. I imagine that, part of this is due to arranged marriages...well not in the traditional sense. In the case when one set marries first then they introduce (or setup) the second set to one another and they too end up gettting married. I myself, have many 'double first cousins'. I think it happens more often then people realize. Considering the term 'double first cousin' can be found in genelaogy literature. It must come up often enough for them to create a term for it. :) But I imagine it happened more often in the small towns...not so much today. Angie --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote: > > Correction: > > In my family tree I have: Four, first cousins, who
Here's a good one from my family tree--My grandfather's sister, Rafaela, married my grandmother's brother. Thirteen years later my grandparents get married. So, my dad has a set of first cousins whom I call "double-first cousins," since they're his cousins through both their mom's and dad's sides.The first Rafaela then died, and my great-uncle married another Rafaela, his deceased wife's first cousin. Talk about keeping it all in the family! :)Rosalinda
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From: Alicia Carrillo
Sent: Dec 19, 2005 8:22 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Given Names
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Correction: In my family tree I have: Four, first cousins, who are sisters. The first two sisters married two brothers, and the other two sisters are also married to brothers. The first two brothers are not "blood related" to the second set of brothers. Can you beat that?. They all live in the Sacramento area. John Gonzalez Wildomar, CA.
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In my family tree , we have two sisters married to two brothers. How common is that? . They live in the Sacramento area. John Gonzalez Wildomar, CA.
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Maybe. But even now, many young people met in church
and eventually get married that have different names.
I believe many marriages were arranged
by the parents
during the time of our grandparents.
Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
--- Emilie Garciawrote:
> Angie,
>
> People used to be named according to the Calendar of
> Saints, no? My mother always spoke about her "saint
> day
Emilie, Yeah, I am familar with naming children based on the Saint's Feast day. And given that it makes it even harder to believe. Two people born on the same day or give or take a day and they get married. Well, I guess that isn't unheard of, I have an aunt and her husband who share a birthday (they have different first names). I have over 7000 names in my family tree program and it feels like a large number of them have the same first name with their spouse... but I probably exaggerate. I wonder if its possible to print out a list... I am able to print them by birthdate and matching names almost always line up... Thanks, Angie FYI: For anyone interested: Saint Calendar - http://www.catholic.org/saints/calendar/december.php or Feastday List - http://www.catholic.org/saints/f_day/dec.php Names can be used to approximate birthdays...help you look in the right month...to find a relatative birth/christening. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
Maybe. But even now, many young people met in church and eventually get married that have different names. I believe many marriages were arranged by the parents during the time of our grandparents. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Emilie Garciawrote: > Angie, > > People used to be named according to the Calendar of > Saints, no? My mother always spoke about her "saint > day" and other people's. Everyone's saint day > seemed to be a big deal then (my mother was born in > 1902) and parties were held, sort of like birthday > parties, only you celebrated the day that saint was > on some calendar. She was Luisa and guys named Luis > celebrated their saint day at the same time. she > didn't marry a Luis though. Could it be that young > people met at church on their saint day, got > acquainted and visited each other later? > > Emilie Garcia > Port Orchard, WA -- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Gonzalezmailto:1gnzlz@...> >