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MMG8938@... wrote:


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Although I am very flattered I do not wish to be nominated.  I really
think Kitty would do well.  However, I am here to help in anyway that I
can; please let me know how.

okay, thanks


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Also, just want to add a little about the monthly 'stipend' on the man
from Jerez.  He is a very good source.

who was the good source? El señor de la Torre or your person who
suggested not going the 'stipend' way?



thanks,



joseph


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face="Arial" lang="0">  I have talked to someone who is very well
versed in research from Mexico and it was suggested that you be careful
in a 'monthly stipend'.  It is better to order a specific job and get
that done instead of a stipend. 



Mickey Garcia


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Support Fund Nominations

Hello:



Although I am very flattered I do not wish to be nominated.  I really think Kitty would do well.  However, I am here to help in anyway that I can; please let me know how.



Also, just want to add a little about the monthly 'stipend' on the man from Jerez.  He is a very good source.  I have talked to someone who is very well versed in research from Mexico and it was suggested that you be careful in a 'monthly stipend'.  It is better to order a specific job and get that done instead of a stipend. 



Mickey Garcia

Support Fund Nominations



Okay here are the people that have been nominated and who I will be
putting up for a vote. If anyone else is going to do some nominating I
need to know pretty soon. Also if anyone on this list would like to
withdraw their nomination let me know soon.


[no voting yet, you'll receive the voting in form of a "group poll."]

Mickey Garcia

Rosalinda Ruiz

Kitty Cortez


Also if any of those nominated would like to send in a paragraph or two with a description of why you would make a good committee member it would make it easier for the group to vote on you. I'm basing this on past polls and have the number of 10 votes to be elected into the committee. Later the committee can decide how to govern itself. I would like the committee to be a minimum of 3 people but would think it would be better with 5 members.

anyway if we can't find others to nominate we can go forward with a vote. If anyone really feels they would be a good committee member this would be a good time to speak up

Digest Number 686

I, too, would be interested in having someone in Mexico do some
research for me. But I have several questions. I am one of the list
members who does not speak Spanish. Does Senor de la Torre speak any
English? How would we communicate? I have names and dates for a
starting point. What else would he need. I have a Paypal account.
Can this be used to transfer money? I can pay, but not in the
hundreds each month. I will lurk a little longer on the list until
these and list member's other questions are asked.


Linda Romero

researching: Romero, de la Torre, Barba,

Researcher in

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Arturo says he is going to talk more to el señor Leonardo de La Torre.
> 
> Ed Serros was in communication with him before. Ed, how was your experience?
> 
> joseph

Joseph,

I wrote to Arturo yesterday after he contacted me directly. See below. Please take into 
consideration that my personality is such that I tend to be distrustful and impatient.  
Anyway...


Arturo,

Yes, I have been in contact in the past with Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and with 
another researcher, Bernardo del Hoyos. The former is well-known and I have found many 
historical articles authored by him in the Jalisco/Zacatecas area of Mexico. Miguel 
Escobedo, an attorney from Mexico City, see http://www.noriegayescobedo.com.mx/
socios_escobedo.htm, has used both of these people and has spoken of them highly. 
Miguel's family were large land owners in Jalisco, e.g. Monte Escobedo is named after his 
ancestors. I fortuitously began to communicate

Researcher for Zacatecas

It just dawned on me the book is not written by Leonardo but by Jose 
Leon Robles de la Torre, they must be the same family?
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
 wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention the website under contruction where Mr.De La 
> Torre has where he freely shares information.  
> http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/introduccion1.htm
> Linda in Everett
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "rosa9972"  wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely be interested in this, since some information 
I 
> > need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me 
> in 
> > on the contribution for his information.  What a great resource, 
> and 
> > thanks, Arturo, for contacting him.  
> >  
> > Great work!
> >  
> > Prima Rosalinda
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" 
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan 
> along 
>

Researcher for Zacatecas

What follows is Don Leonardo's webpage:
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/index_archivos/marabr/index.htm

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> I am interested to know how computer-savvy Mr. De La Torre is as
regards doing genealogy research online.  He has an e-mail address, so
obviously he is computer-literate, but if I e-mailed him, would he
know what I was talking about if I mentioned the IGI, Ancestry.com,
World Connect, etc.?  Would he be able to scan and e-mail copies of
records and photos, or would he prefer snail-mail?   I cannot go to
Jerez, and all my communication with him would be via e-mail or
snail-mail, and I could send money to him from our local post office,
the way I see the green-carders here doing (sending money to Mexico).  
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ----





Researcher for Zacatecas

I forgot to mention the website under contruction where Mr.De La 
Torre has where he freely shares information.  
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/introduccion1.htm
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "rosa9972"  wrote:
>
> I would definitely be interested in this, since some information I 
> need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me 
in 
> on the contribution for his information.  What a great resource, 
and 
> thanks, Arturo, for contacting him.  
>  
> Great work!
>  
> Prima Rosalinda
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan 
along 
> > with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.
> > 
> > Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
> > information that he has already compiled from him and then it 
> would 
> > be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
> >

Researcher for Zacatecas

A few years ago I purchased "Filigranas, Fundaciones Y Genealogias, 
Tepetongo, Zacs. by Mr Jose Jeon Robles de la Torre published in 
1999.  He includes in his book genealogy that is connected to him. 
He includes the De La Torre, Correa, Sanchez, Nava, Gonzales, 
Murillo, Carlos, Rodriguz, Mejia, Zuniga and Salazar lines. The book 
has more than 500 pages of information.  I was hoping to connect but 
found my Spanish just isn't good enough to read it... The man is 
obviously very well educated, a poet and very respected. I paid $90. 
for the book. If anyone is interested in buying it from me for what 
I paid I would be happy to pay the postage.  It should be with 
someone who can use it much better than I have.
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett Wa.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "rosa9972"  wrote:
>
> I would definitely be interested in this, since some information I 
> need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me 
in 
> on the contribution for his

Researcher for Zacatecas

I would definitely be interested in this, since some information I 
need is unavailable, for the years I need are missing.  Count me in 
on the contribution for his information.  What a great resource, and 
thanks, Arturo, for contacting him.  
 
Great work!
 
Prima Rosalinda


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan along 
> with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.
> 
> Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
> information that he has already compiled from him and then it 
would 
> be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
> think that is going to be a delicate negotiation and it really 
> depends on what it is that he has.
> 
> He has mentioned that the Jerez parrish archves have confirmation 
> records and informacion matrimonial records for most of the years 
in 
> the 17th century where the baptism and marriage records are

Researcher for Zacatecas

I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan along 
with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.

Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
information that he has already compiled from him and then it would 
be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
think that is going to be a delicate negotiation and it really 
depends on what it is that he has.

He has mentioned that the Jerez parrish archves have confirmation 
records and informacion matrimonial records for most of the years in 
the 17th century where the baptism and marriage records are missing.  
He also does a lot of research on protocolos from the Zacatecas state 
archives, which are not available on film.

Ed and I are definitely going to hire him.  He is very particular 
about getting paid up front and via wire transfer... This is not too 
big a deal if we collect money and pay him a monthly stipend, which 
is his suggestion.  I think it is a matter of making

Researcher for Zacatecas

I am interested to know how computer-savvy Mr. De La Torre is as regards
doing genealogy research online.  He has an e-mail address, so obviously he
is computer-literate, but if I e-mailed him, would he know what I was talking
about if I mentioned the IGI, Ancestry.com, World Connect, etc.?  Would he
be able to scan and e-mail copies of records and photos, or would he prefer
snail-mail?   I cannot go to Jerez, and all my communication with him
would be via e-mail or snail-mail, and I could send money to him from our local
post office, the way I see the green-carders here doing (sending money to
Mexico). 
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:14
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Researcher for
Zacatecas



zendean wrote:

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to

Researcher for Zacatecas

Joseph,
Jose Luis  took the words right out of my mouth! 
:-)   I was also thinking the same thing.......if we, those that are
interested, each contribute a certain amount of $$$, would Senor Leonardo de la
Torre Berumen do research for us?  I met Senor de la Torre a few years ago
in Jerez and he is a very nice person, very knowledgeable......and a very
sharing person.  I would not hesitate to have him do research for me. 
I really believe we are on to a good thing here......
 
Josie Trevino Trevino
San Antonio, TX



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zendean
Sent:
Monday, December 05, 2005 4:35 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Researcher for
Zacatecas

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be
necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per
month. If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and
locations then it would be possible for the searcher

Priciliano Cerro Godina

Yes, Leticia,
 
I also try all the known surnames that a person has been known to
use.  Step-mother or step-father's name, the mother's or the grand-mother's
maiden name, etc.  For example, my husband's great-great grandmother was
"hija natural de Ramona Ornelas".  Her son, Simon Garcia said her surname
was Gonzalez, which I think was her father or step-father, but mostly she used
Ornelas or De Leon in the baptism records for her children or for her marriage
record.  I don't know yet where she got the De Leon.
 
Other times I just use different spellings or leave off the "s" at the end
of a name, or change an "e" to an "I", etc.  When I use the IGI, I just
type in one very simple surname, like Serros or Cerros and do not check off the
"exact spelling", and it gives me all the different versions of that name: 
Del Cerro, Serro, Serros, Cerros, Cerro, so my fingers just fly over the
keyboard and I find myself using the "refine search" to get to the particular
state, then

Researcher for Zacatecas





zendean wrote:

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per month.

who are they contributing to? Are you saying this is a "going rate?"



Arturo says he is going to talk more to el señor Leonardo de La Torre.



Ed Serros was in communication with him before. Ed, how was your
experience?



joseph

 If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and locations then it would be possible for the searcher to do each line and make a good living. Do you agree ?  I wonder if this is a practicable suggestion. Arturo may be on to something and if it works out then a link will have been established that we all can follow. We would need to see the film documentation or it would be valueless.
I would like to hear your take on the matter as I think that this could blossom.

yes there is a good possibility. Let's see what Arturo says after he
talks to him more. We might need to wait

Researcher for Zacatecas

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per month. If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and locations then it would be possible for the searcher to do each line and make a good living. Do you agree ?  I wonder if this is a practicable suggestion. Arturo may be on to something and if it works out then a link will have been established that we all can follow. We would need to see the film documentation or it would be valueless.
I would like to hear your take on the matter as I think that this could blossom.

Jose Luis Macias
decendant of Francisco Macias, of Jerez, Zacatecas

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Dec 4, 2005 11:46 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Arturo Ramos 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo what do you suppose a figure would be for this monthly stipend? 
Are you thinking that

Priciliano Cerro Godina

You are correct.  Iam thinking,
California.  It is very unlikely that the local weatherman would mention
the Sierra Madre Oriental or Sierra Madre Occidental in Mexico.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:09
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Priciliano Cerro
Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John
Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>

> I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone, or espinazo.

Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma, cerro, montaña
y
sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as the tool
the
carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the mountain
chain
because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one
Sierra
Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe
when I
hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit
the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that

Digest Number 685

Hi Maria,

Thank you for your interest.

I have a letter written by my mother in 1941-42 on La Sultana
letterhead. She and my dad, Ramon Romero, spent several months with
my dad's relatives in and around Guadalajara after their marriage in
Oct., 1941 and returning to the USA before May, 1942. They mainly
stayed on one or another of Adolfo's ranches. I've been told the
family (de la Torre) owned this chocolateria (or chocolate factory as
my mother called it). My mother wrote to her aunt in Minnesota on
this letterhead.


I am searching any clues I can find to reconnect me with my father's
family. It seems easier to find the dead that any living relatives.
I am hoping to trace the ownership of the chocolateria to someone
living who may remember my dad and have family information for me.


My Spanish is slim to none so my research is slow. I would
appreciate any information your family may have on this place or my
family. My pedigree is posted to ranchos.

Priciliano Cerro Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> 
> I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone, or espinazo. 
Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma, cerro, montaña y
sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as the tool the
carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the mountain chain
because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one Sierra
Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe when I
hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that there is only
one "Sierra" .

Right, John.  Unless they're referring to México's sierras.  ;-)

http://www.galeon.com/cumbres/Archivos/orografia.htm





Priciliano Cerro Godina

Hi Emilie:
 
Thank you for the information about "del Cerro".  
I always thought my mother's last name was "Cerros"  But it didn't take
long to find out that my grandfather's last name was "Cerro".
 
I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone,
or espinazo.  Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma,
cerro, montaña y sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as
the tool the carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the
mountain chain because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one
Sierra Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe when
I hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that there is
only one "Sierra" .
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:17
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro
Godina

Well, John and Helyn

Hacienda de Santiago, Aguascalientes

This is the kind of question that Leonardo de la Torre Berumen could answer. My ancestress, Clara de los Reyes, married Francisco de Chaves Banuelos in Jerez around 1720 or 25. I have no other info on her at all. I wonder if she's related to Maria Josefa? Marge:)



On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:


Has anyone ever heard of this Hacienda de Santiago in Aguascalientes?   My husband's ggggg-grandmother, Maria Josefa de los Reyes Roman was born there in 1755.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---



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Ancestors in Jalisco, Aguascalientes and sacatecas

I am reviewing the information I have gathered on my husband's ancestors in
Jalisco, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.  I have traced mnost of his
ancestors to Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco.  I am wondering if anyone has
knowledge of the following places with the associated surnames:
 
In Jalisco:
 
 
        Canada de Agustin 
(Surnames Aguirre and Marin, Martines [Martin] and Duron)
 
        Ahualulco de Mercado
(Surnames Cervantes, Lopez)
 
        Amacueca   
(Surnames Fajardo, Cervantes)
 
        Teocaltiche and
Jalostotitalan  (Surnames Garcia, Calsada)
 
        Santa
Maria [Encarnacion de Diaz]   (Surnames Garcia, Ornelas, De Leon,
Morones, Gonzales)
 
        Lagos de Moreno  
(Surnames Garsia, Gonzs)
 
In Aguascalientes:
 
        Jesus Maria  
(Surnames Martines, Duron)
 
        Puerto del Magei
[Marquez?]   (surnames Duron Esparza, [de los] Reyes Roman)
 
        Pabellon [Hacienda de] and
San Jose de Garcia [Rincon de Romos]   (Surnames Duron, De Los Reyes,

Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo what do you suppose a figure would be for this monthly stipend?
Are you thinking that several of us that might be interested could
contribute to come up with this monthly stipend? Did you get an idea of
what he was talking about?



I wonder how many hours of research $100 would buy me? Well that is all
I'd be willing to contribute. I have a dead end in Zacatecas, Zacatecas
I need "advice" in knowing how to get around.



let me know if you think this would buy me something and if so I'll
send you 5 scanned records that will give you the information he will
need to do my preliminary investigation.



joseph







Arturo Ramos wrote:

I have been corresponding with this man for the last week and I will 
be meeting with him during my upcoming trip to Mexico.  He has 
proposed doing research in the Zacatecas state archives for a monthly 
stipend.  I was wondering if there is anybody who is intereste and 
would be willing to "try him out".  His name is Leonardo de La Torre 
Berumen

Captain from Castile

Alicia says I write from the heart.  Well, I am emotional---high
strung, they say. 
 
This morning I awoke to the strains of "Conquest".  Some of you
younger ones know this tune as one played by the USC band at their games. 
Well, we elderly folk remember it from the movie "Captain from Castile", made
many decades ago and starring Cesar Romero as Cortez, and Tyrone Power as the
Captain from Castile. 
 
I followed the sound and found my husband in the den watching TV.  I
asked him if it was the USC band playing, and he said no, it was the
movie.  He always scans the TV schedule. and when he sees that that movie
will be screened, he makes sure to watch the last scenes.  They are very
stirring, since the score is played really loud.  Da-dum, da-da-da-dum-da
dum-da-dum-da da da da DUM! Da Dum!  The last scene shows the little
rag-tag coterie of Cortez once more on the march after they have conquered
the Aztecs.  The voice-over says "---many died, but many returned to Spain