Melungeons: Toribio Romo
Morroco, also in Portugal. In Spain they talked about him as if he didn't
know what they were saying. Of course my dad being my dad let them know,
and also scolded them for taking all of our gold to decorate their
churches... :)
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto
Duarte
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:20 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Melungeons: Toribio
Romo
1) She lived in El Paso and I believe was born
in
Chihuahua!
2) The Moors were in Spain for over 700 years and
I
suppose that many Spaniards, including us, have their
blood in our
veins. My brother-in-law and his wife
(both born in Los Altos, Jalisco)
just returned from
Spain and told me that the people in southern
Spain
look just like the people from Los Altos, Jalisco.
Also, many of
the north Africans (Moroccans) look like
us; he said he could not tell the
difference.
Alberto Duarte
Melungeons: Toribio Romo
1) She lived in El Paso and I believe was born in Chihuahua! 2) The Moors were in Spain for over 700 years and I suppose that many Spaniards, including us, have their blood in our veins. My brother-in-law and his wife (both born in Los Altos, Jalisco) just returned from Spain and told me that the people in southern Spain look just like the people from Los Altos, Jalisco. Also, many of the north Africans (Moroccans) look like us; he said he could not tell the difference. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Joseph Puenteswrote: > and Ted Williams was 1/2 Mexican (his mom). . .kind > of got off the > subject. didn't I? > > but Melungeons are such interesting people and are > VERY possibly some of > the earliest non Native American settlers on the > east coast. the Story > goes and DNA indications seem to say that they were > crosses between the > Native Americans and slaves that Sir Francis Drake > left behind on > Roanoke Island on 26 June 1586
Melungeons: Toribio Romo
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and Ted Williams was 1/2 Mexican (his mom). . .kind of got off the P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is suspected that Abraham |
Nomination of Candidates
Arturo, I appreciate the vote of confidence but I must respectfully decline. I'm sure other members are better qualified to occupy a place in this new commitee. Victor --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"wrote: > > I hereby pledge $100 under the condition that I am not part of the > committee as I am pretty certain that I will be advocating the manner > in which the money is used and therefore consider that I have a > conflict of interest. I nominate Victor Villareal, Angie Godina, > Mickey Garcia, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina. Some are related to > me so I hereby disclose my nepotistic interests but more importantly > all are people who have selflessly given to me so I trust them to do > the same for others. I have not asked for their permission, so I > apologize if any of them decline the nomination. >
Nomination of Candidates
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great nominations along with the nominations of Alberto Durante and I hereby pledge $100 under the condition that I am not part of the committee as I am pretty certain that I will be advocating the manner in which the money is used and therefore consider that I have a conflict of interest. I nominate Victor Villareal, Angie Godina, Mickey Garcia, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina. Some are related to me so I hereby disclose my nepotistic interests but more importantly all are people who have selflessly given to me so I trust them to do the same for others. I have not asked for their permission, so I apologize if any of them decline the nomination. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" |
Rancho De Los Cuervos
Alicia!! I was browsing thru the internet and something of interes appears. Some e-mail I.D. and Rancho de Los Cuervos, names of Laguna Grande and Tepetongo, Arroyo Seco. Hope it helps. Jose GenealogyForum.com Hispanic Genealogy http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/messages/genbbs.cgi/Hispanic Subject: de la torre geneology Posted by:dora vigilon Sun, 19 Sep 2004 looking for De La Torre Geneology, Rancho Los Cuervos Jerez, zacatecas Mexico Subject: De La Torre Posted by:Christina on Thu, 07 Oct 2004, in response to de la torre geneology, posted by dora vigil on Sun, 19 Sep 2004 We have the De La Torre connection but I don't recognize Rancho los Cuervos. What are a few De La Torre names in you family? I have Sostenes, Pedro, Jesus, Pascual. That is Great-Great grandfather, Great grandfather, Grandfather and Father (Pascual De La Torre). Let me know if any of these names sound familiar to you. they were from La Laguna Grande in Zacatecas
Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is suspected that Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you all look up that as it is too hard to explain here but needless to say a person "of color". --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"wrote: > > The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all researching, > Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico. He > encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish > (Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into > the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations > with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc. > > He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown. I am > now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that so > many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente > Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to > mention that Victoriano
Nomination of Candidates
I hereby pledge $100 under the condition that I am not part of the committee as I am pretty certain that I will be advocating the manner in which the money is used and therefore consider that I have a conflict of interest. I nominate Victor Villareal, Angie Godina, Mickey Garcia, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina. Some are related to me so I hereby disclose my nepotistic interests but more importantly all are people who have selflessly given to me so I trust them to do the same for others. I have not asked for their permission, so I apologize if any of them decline the nomination. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"wrote: > > I second that nomination ( I know I don't speak up much, but hey, I'll put > my two centavos in....) > Also, I'll pledge $10 towards the fund. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo > Sent: Tuesday, November 29
Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all researching, Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico. He encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish (Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc. He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown. I am now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that so many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to mention that Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and Benito Juarez was Zapotec. I think that as much prejudice as there was back then, the demographic collapse brought about by Eastern Hemisphere diseases made it necessary for anybosy to appreciate a bright, hard-working person and those exemplary people who were willing to work did well for
Nomination of Candidates
second that nomination ( I know I don't speak up much, but hey, I'll put my two
centavos in....)
I'll pledge $10 towards the fund.
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From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia Avelar Olmos de
Carrillo
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:58 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Nomination of
Candidates
I nominate two people to be
part of the support fund committee. They
would be Alberto Duarte and Irma
Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive at this
nomination? They were the last two
people who volunteered a donation. I
figured this alone makes them viable
candidates as they took an
interest into why and what for. Of course it's
subject to their
acceptance.
Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
Ca
Nomination of Candidates
Joseph, I nominate two people to be part of the support fund committee. They would be Alberto Duarte and Irma Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive at this nomination? They were the last two people who volunteered a donation. I figured this alone makes them viable candidates as they took an interest into why and what for. Of course it's subject to their acceptance. Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
Entrevista: 1550: Suave!!!
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great John you are a reassurance to my own perspective. I couldn't have
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Toribio Romo --family traits
Actually, you never lose any of your ancestor's traits. You are a composite of everyone that came before you. Yes, some traits are more predominate than others. I'm no exception; my brother's kids all came out with blond hair and blue eyes while mine came out with dark eyes and dark hair. My brother is fair and I'm dark (just like my grandmother). In fact, people use to ask if we were related. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Irma GomezLucerowrote: > I really did not mean to spark anything, and Santo > Toribio is my only > claim to fame. We genealogists are usually joked > about always being > related to someone famous. He's about it so far, > and my dad looks > nothing like him. When my parents visited Europe a > few decades ago. > They often mistook my dad as Middle Eastern with his > dark, curly hair > and olive complexion. It was a real shocker when I > discovered that one > of his grandmothers was even a Romo. The >
Toribio Romo --family traits
is my only claim to fame. We genealogists are usually joked about always
being related to someone famous. He's about it so far, and my dad looks
nothing like him. When my parents visited Europe a few
decades ago. They often mistook my dad as Middle Eastern with his
dark, curly hair and olive complexion. It was a real shocker when I
discovered that one of his grandmothers was even a Romo. The ressemblance
is more than coloring. I am not exaggerating when I say that my cousin
Gregorio could be his double, and anyone coming from Jalostotitlan would
tell you that the Romos in the area have those tell-tale Romo eyes.
My dad's apodo was "La Escalera del diablo." He and his brothers were all
6' and up. Of course my cousin Sam who measures about 5'5" would
definitely not fit the bill. He took after his petite mother.
Anyway, I just finished reading a book
Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars, and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and successful business men throughout Zacatecas. But yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those of dark skin, just like in this country. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Emilie Garciawrote: > Irma-- > > No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines. It > is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are > light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or > blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco. The photo of the > saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a > striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and > his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes. I have > traced some of the Garcias who married into the > Calzada family
Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
I agree with you Alicia... My fathers' cousin Angel Ramirez, and his wife Katy, gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny Ramirez. The young girl eventually grew to a height of 5'5", brown eyes, and long beautiful black hair. Her twin brother growth was cut shot, just under 4 feet, green eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took a while to figure that one. No one thought they were siblings. I believe many people do not understand what they are really asking, assuming that it is just a matter of people having similar physical appearance. However, since physical appearance is influenced by environmental factors, and not just genetics, people can actually look very differently. Jose Munoz --- Alicia Carrillowrote: > I think it would be a mis-conception to make > assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or > mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go > very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races > anything is possible. I have a son
Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
I agree with you Alicia; My father's cousin, and his wife, had a set of you can't always tell by looking fraternal twins. The girl grew up normal, tall, slim, brown eyes with long black beatiful hair. The boy growth however was cut short, height under four feet, green eyes, and bright red "carrot top" hair. They couldn't figure that one. I feel some people do not understand what they are really asking, assuming that it is just a matter of having similar physical appearance. Sometimes physical appearance is influenced by environmental factors and not just genetics. Jose Munoz --- Alicia Carrillowrote: > I think it would be a mis-conception to make > assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or > mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go > very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races > anything is possible. I have a son who is very dark > and has a blonde blue eyed son. I have a daughter > that is not so dark and has beautiful brown
"Ranchos Support Fund"
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I see what you're saying.
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Los Cuervos?
You're welcome, Alicia...and I don't know about the ancestors of the couple I mentioned. I simply wondered whether or not you know them. David -----Original Message----- From: Alicia CarrilloSent: Nov 28, 2005 6:47 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ranchos] Los Cuervos? David, Thanks for that information regarding the ''Ranchos Los Cuervos.'' That gives me something to go on until this Wednesday when I review the films that have just arrived at my Fremont FHC for the marriage of Prudencio de Olmos and Juana de Jauregui in Nochistlan Zac in the year 1857. Unfortunately I don't know Bernie or Esther Olmos, do you know where their descendants came from? Alicia Carrillo de San Jose Ca "David P. Delgado" wrote: Alicia, I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos. 1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco. 2. Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo
Cathedral rededication in Sacramento
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Here is a link to an article that appeared in the Sacramento Bee about the rededication of the Cathedral in Sacramento, CA that mentions the relics of Santo Toribio Romo. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---
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Toribio Romo & Meeting in Sacramento
I don't see why not as the Cathedral is very close to where the meeting will be. I'm just not sure how long the relics will be there. I guess we can call the Cathedral prior to going. Maria Uhlenburg -- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillowrote: > > This coming Saturday is the Ranchos meeting in Sacramento, would it be possible to visit the church on Saturday? That would be sooo cool! > > Alicia > > "Maria E. Uhlenburg" wrote: > Irma, > The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and > from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested > some relics from Guadalajara. > > This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving. I guess > there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that > one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to the Cathedral. I guess > they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past > Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old
Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
Emilie Garcia
Irma--No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines. It is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco. The photo of the saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes. I have traced some of the Garcias who married into the Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos. My husband's gggg-grandfather
Toribio Romo & Meeting in Sacramento
"Maria E. Uhlenburg"
Irma,
The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and
from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested
some relics from Guadalajara.
This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving. I guess
there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that
one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to the Cathedral. I guess
they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past
Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics.
Nena
Toribio Romo
Irma, The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested some relics from Guadalajara. This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving. I guess there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to the Cathedral. I guess they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics. Nena
