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Okay folks we have 84 members and 32 entries in the Database "Who's
Who." Angie Godina went to a lot of trouble to establish this database
and I think it will really help for a quick one stop look at who is
researching in a particular area.

So why not have a look in the Database under Who's Who and fill in your
entry. If you have trouble ask your questions If I can't answer I'm sure
our creator will.

[note: Participation in this database is not absolutely required. So
don't anybody go and get nervous about me taking out my Axe if you don't
comply!]

Since the topic of My Axe has come up. . . .

8^)  joseph

ps: I'm going to ask Angie [Angie Are you listening?] if she can make up
a form letter detailing how to enter your data into the Database. I'm
going to couple these instructions with an encouragement letter and send
it to the group on a monthly basis. that way the old vatos in the group
will constantly be pestered and the jovenes will have an opportunity to
comply

Would Yolanda Gomez please come to the principles office as soon as
possible.

Seems I can't match up your Email Address with you.

Please ID as soon as possible.

joseph

Helyn,

Here is some additional information you may or may not have...

Marriage Record:
ANTO. JOSE DE ROBLES
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MA. LUCIANA SANCHES
  Marriage:  About 03 NOV 1830   Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax,
Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M600845  1776 - 1885  0444019

ROBLES-SANCHES Children:
- JOSE YGNACIO RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1831 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax,
Zacatecas, Mexico

-

Helyn,

Here is some additional information you may or may not have...

Marriage Record:
ANTO. JOSE DE ROBLES
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MA. LUCIANA SANCHES
  Marriage:  About 03 NOV 1830   Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M600845  1776 - 1885  0444019

ROBLES-SANCHES Children:
- JOSE YGNACIO RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1831 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico 

- ANTO. RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 12 DEC 1832 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

- MARIA RAMONA DEL REFUGIO ROBLES SANCHEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 06 SEP 1835 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 

- DOMINGO ROMAN ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1837 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

- MA

A very good written article by John Schmal. 

I've been to Vera Cruz, Zacatecas, and Guanajuato, and
have seen Mexicans with negro features at these
locations.  Anyway you look at it, approximately
200,000 blacks had to have been absorbed into the
population.

Alberto. 

--- makas@... wrote:

> 
>   Abstract from SLAVERY IN COLONIAL MEXICO
> By John P. Schmal
> 
> The Marriages of Slaves in Mexico
> 
> The majority of slaves brought to the shores of
> Mexico were male. With a 
> lack of female Africans, most of these men
> eventually chose Indian or 
> mestizo women as spouses. The long-established Siete
> Partidas laws of 
> Spain granted slaves the right to select their
> spouses. Slave masters 
> were thus forbidden from intervening in this
> decision.
> 
> Professor Martha Menchaca, the author of Recovering
> History, 
> Reconstructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White
> Roots of Mexican 
> Americans, observed that "this legislation was of
> monumental importance 
> because it

----- Original Message -----

From: zendean

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:53 PM

Sub

Thank you, Alberto for your input, I will try what you suggested. Again,
thank you

Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto Duarte"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names

Looking for the origin of a name:
Whenever I cannot find the origin of a name, I enter
the name in google.com and ask the question: what is
the orgin of this name ..........

Most of the time I get a half decent reply that helps.


Alberto

--- zendean  wrote:

Alberto;

Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German
names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing
a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It
was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments
are of value to me because now I am more aware of
the time line for the influx of German and Italian
names starting in 1945 and later.
 The names I am running accross are so unique that
they

Looking for the origin of a name:
Whenever I cannot find the origin of a name, I enter
the name in google.com and ask the question: what is
the orgin of this name ..........

Most of the time I get a half decent reply that helps.


Alberto

--- zendean  wrote:

> 
> Alberto;
> 
> Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German
> names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing
> a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It
> was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments
> are of value to me because now I am more aware of
> the time line for the influx of German and Italian
> names starting in 1945 and later. 
>  The names I am running accross are so unique that
> they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing
> genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are
> the first of this kind that I have ever seen in
> hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a
> telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico
> soon because I think that will be

Alberto;

Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments are of value to me because now I am more aware of the time line for the influx of German and Italian names starting in 1945 and later. 
 The names I am running accross are so unique that they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are the first of this kind that I have ever seen in hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico soon because I think that will be my next assignment. For now I am trying to figure out a name that looks like "Useberlitano" or "Vsibrlijano" Altibucian, I think.  
Thank you again. 

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte 
Sent: May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:

Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals. 
They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
second world war.  If you review the early history of
Argentina, you will not see the many German and
Italian names you see now.

Alberto

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> Jose Luis,
> 
> I know that there has been a significant number of
> Italian and 
> German Immigrants in Argentina.  Perhaps that's why
> the names seem 
> so different from those found in other Latin
> American countries. 
> Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German
> phone books on 
> the Internet?  The names could've also been changed
> by the priest to 
> sound more Spanish.  Like the name Lomelin was
> changed from the 
> original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico. 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"
>  wrote:
> > Joseph,
> >     Thank you for the kind words about the work I
> do on 
> extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I hope

Hi Jose Luis,

I found a link to the Italian white pages:  
http://www.paginebianche.it/index.html
For Germany:
http://www.teleauskunft.de/

I did a Google search using their language tools and then selected 
the language and country.  That is how I found the above links. I 
was thinking it might be easier to go to an Argentine Genealogy 
group (like our Ranchos group) and asking them about the surnames.  
That might make it easier to decipher those names.

I sure do appreciate the work that you are doing. The IGI is a great 
resource to us all.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"  wrote:
> Dear Maria;
>     Thank you ever so much for your suggestion. Could you tell me 
how to see 
> an Italian or German telephone book on the Internet ? I will 
quickly do what 
> you have suggested. I have done 1890 to 1895 so far for the church 
in 
> Argentina. I still have another 1,800 names to extract before I am 
finished. 
> I will go over the names once again to try

 Abstract from SLAVERY IN COLONIAL MEXICO
By John P. Schmal

The Marriages of Slaves in Mexico

The majority of slaves brought to the shores of Mexico were male. With a
lack of female Africans, most of these men eventually chose Indian or
mestizo women as spouses. The long-established Siete Partidas laws of
Spain granted slaves the right to select their spouses. Slave masters
were thus forbidden from intervening in this decision.

Professor Martha Menchaca, the author of Recovering History,
Reconstructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White Roots of Mexican
Americans, observed that "this legislation was of monumental importance
because it became the gateway for the children of slaves to gain their
freedom.

Due to the lobbying efforts of the Catholic Church the children of Black
male slaves and Indian women were declared free and given the right to
live with their mother." With laws that granted freedom to the children
of a slave who married into other racial