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Database: Who's Who


Okay folks we have 84 members and 32 entries in the Database "Who's
Who." Angie Godina went to a lot of trouble to establish this database
and I think it will really help for a quick one stop look at who is
researching in a particular area.


So why not have a look in the Database under Who's Who and fill in your
entry. If you have trouble ask your questions If I can't answer I'm sure
our creator will.


[note: Participation in this database is not absolutely required. So
don't anybody go and get nervous about me taking out my Axe if you don't
comply!]


Since the topic of My Axe has come up. . . .

8^)  joseph

ps: I'm going to ask Angie [Angie Are you listening?] if she can make up
a form letter detailing how to enter your data into the Database. I'm
going to couple these instructions with an encouragement letter and send
it to the group on a monthly basis. that way the old vatos in the group
will constantly be pestered and the jovenes will have an opportunity to
comply

Yolanda Gomez


Would Yolanda Gomez please come to the principles office as soon as
possible.


Seems I can't match up your Email Address with you.

Please ID as soon as possible.

joseph



Telephone Oral History Script





RFWine@... wrote:


Excuse me for coming late into your conversation on this
topic. It's only because my Spanish is so bad that I ask these
questions about references you made in your suggested wording if
attempting to talk to people in Mexico.
 
In your suggested statement, you make reference to a rancho
in Jalisco, would by any chance be referencing Rancho de los Gomez, San
Juan Buenaventura, Jalisco, Mexico?

no sorry but my Ranchos were up in Northern Jalisco no to far from
Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles (also not very very far from
Huejucar and even Tepetongo, Zacatecas): Rancho de Animas.

My family is from this area which is outside of Tecolotlan.
Actually the extended families range from Autlan to Guadalajara. The
surnames of the root families are Amador, Flores, Cueva, Torres, and
Costillo.

The only surname in this list that is in my family (so far) is Torres.
If you want to see my list of Torres go to www

Telephone Oral History Script

Excuse me for coming late into your conversation on this
topic. It's only because my Spanish is so bad that I ask these questions about
references you made in your suggested wording if attempting to talk to
people in Mexico.
 
In your suggested statement, you make reference to a rancho in
Jalisco, would by any chance be referencing Rancho de los Gomez, San Juan
Buenaventura, Jalisco, Mexico? My family is from this area which is outside
of Tecolotlan. Actually the extended families range from Autlan to Guadalajara.
The surnames of the root families are Amador, Flores, Cueva, Torres, and
Costillo. Although these names may not ring a bell in the last 150 years, since
our families were likely in this area for hundreds of years, we may have been
Puente's too.
 
At the turn of the century (20th) the families increased their
migration from Jalisco to California. The most recent wave
departed Tecolotlan in 1920 and traveled by boat north to San Pablo and then by
automobile to

Robles Family in Momax

Angie, You are wonderful!!! Thank you...for taking your personal time to help me.
I did not have this information. Oops...thank you for bringing to my attention the typo on the birth year for Antonio Robles. I was begining to believe this family were cotton balls that blew in with the wind.  You have put me in the right direction.
Gracias. Helyn de Castaneda

aajay1073 wrote:

Helyn,

Here is some additional information you may or may not have...

Marriage Record:
ANTO. JOSE DE ROBLES
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MA. LUCIANA SANCHES
  Marriage:  About 03 NOV 1830   Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax,
Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M600845  1776 - 1885  0444019

ROBLES-SANCHES Children:
- JOSE YGNACIO RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1831 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax,
Zacatecas, Mexico

-

Genealogy Help

Yes, Joseph,
 
I would like it if you gave us ideas in what to say when we contact people in Mexico, since they seem to be put off if one is not entirely fluent in Castellan.  Even though I can read and understand other languages after studying them, I can't think on my feet fast enough to speak them. In Italy I spoke mostly Spanish whith a few Italian words thrown in, and they understood me perfectly well and respnded in Italian which I understood.  Same thing in France, etc.
 
Someone in the Jerezano group told me that the way to contact people in Jerez was to ask the radio station to make an announcement that you want to contact people who share the same ancesors.  They said that is the way things like that are usuallly done.  Perhaps the newspapers there would publish such requests too.  My problem is that I am reluctant to call or write the radio stations and newspapers for fear they won't understand me, and I wouldn't know what to say.
 
Thanks,
 
    Emilie
    Port Orchard, WA

Robles Family in Momax

Helyn,

Here is some additional information you may or may not have...

Marriage Record:
ANTO. JOSE DE ROBLES
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MA. LUCIANA SANCHES
  Marriage:  About 03 NOV 1830   Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M600845  1776 - 1885  0444019

ROBLES-SANCHES Children:
- JOSE YGNACIO RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1831 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico 

- ANTO. RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 12 DEC 1832 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

- MARIA RAMONA DEL REFUGIO ROBLES SANCHEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 06 SEP 1835 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 

- DOMINGO ROMAN ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1837 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

- MA

Slavery in Mexico: John Schmal

A very good written article by John Schmal. 

I've been to Vera Cruz, Zacatecas, and Guanajuato, and
have seen Mexicans with negro features at these
locations.  Anyway you look at it, approximately
200,000 blacks had to have been absorbed into the
population.

Alberto. 

--- makas@... wrote:

> 
>   Abstract from SLAVERY IN COLONIAL MEXICO
> By John P. Schmal
> 
> The Marriages of Slaves in Mexico
> 
> The majority of slaves brought to the shores of
> Mexico were male. With a 
> lack of female Africans, most of these men
> eventually chose Indian or 
> mestizo women as spouses. The long-established Siete
> Partidas laws of 
> Spain granted slaves the right to select their
> spouses. Slave masters 
> were thus forbidden from intervening in this
> decision.
> 
> Professor Martha Menchaca, the author of Recovering
> History, 
> Reconstructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White
> Roots of Mexican 
> Americans, observed that "this legislation was of
> monumental importance 
> because it

Robles

Gee, thanks for the glowing tribute, Helyn,
 
That is what genealogy is all about, I think, helping others, the old "give and thou shalt receive". Many people have helped me also down through the years, and it has kept me going.  I don't understand those that horde their information like misers.  We will get more done if we all share, no?
 
    Emilie
    Port Orchard, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Santos Luna
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Robles
 
I hereby give Emilie, from Port Orchard, WA....Mil Gracias.
 
For many years, I have not been able to break the "code", and find a link to my maternal grandfather. Just recently, I posted the little information that I had, and received a lead from Emilie. Today, I received the film, and found a sister to my grandfather. (I did not know of her)

Maria Robles from El Refugio - born June 1884 - parents - Antonio Robles born (b abt 1759) &  Martina Carlos de Godoi -       

Robles

I hereby give Emilie, from Port Orchard, WA....Mil Gracias.
 
For many years, I have not been able to break the "code", and find a link to my maternal grandfather. Just recently, I posted the little information that I had, and received a lead from Emilie. Today, I received the film, and found a sister to my grandfather. (I did not know of her)

Maria Robles from El Refugio - born June 1884 - parents - Antonio Robles born (b abt 1759) &  Martina Carlos de Godoi -        paternal grandparents Antonio Robles (b abt 1739) & Luciana Sanches  (?)     Maternal grandparents Domingo Carlos de Godi (b abt 1739)  & Maria Refugio M? (when I go to the FHC next week, I will get the correct spelling)

Prior to joining the group, I had communicated with Emilie, who would share her vast knowledge, and was instrumental in finding some ancestors for me.

Emilie, you are wonderful....Gracias, y abrazos....Helyn de Castaneda

 

 

 



 


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Emilie's request for copies

Emilie;  As soon as I can do a scan I will happily do
as you have suggested. Thank you for your interest.
 
Jose Luis Macias
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Emilie's
request for copies

Yes, Jose Luis,
 
Please do send a scan through Ranchos so that we can all see what you are
talking about.  Even though Argentina is not in the area of the group, it
will be helpful to all of us to see what you are dealing with, especially
since we all view films with varying scripts and spelling of names.  I
have found that some of the names I deal with have been spelled with "B"
instead of "V" or "Y" instead of "LL", etc.  Priests long ago, say in the
1700's used script that is different in some letters or they tended to use the
Latin Joseph and Carmel instead of Jose and Carmen.
 
I have been looking up the ethnic history of Argentina, and

Emilie's request for copies

Yes, Jose Luis,
 
Please do send a scan through Ranchos so that we can all see what you are talking about.  Even though Argentina is not in the area of the group, it will be helpful to all of us to see what you are dealing with, especially since we all view films with varying scripts and spelling of names.  I have found that some of the names I deal with have been spelled with "B" instead of "V" or "Y" instead of "LL", etc.  Priests long ago, say in the 1700's used script that is different in some letters or they tended to use the Latin Joseph and Carmel instead of Jose and Carmen.
 
I have been looking up the ethnic history of Argentina, and I find that Italians and Germans started immigrating around 1850 as well people from other parts of Northern and Southern Europe.  I think the reason so many Italians and Germans moved there after WWII was that there were large communities of Italians, Germans, Syrians, Jews, etc already there.  They say that 49% of the population now is of

Janet's comment on "Neri"

Thank you Janet for your information on "Neri".  So, Neri could be a last name included in the total name as his fathers' and then his mothers? like mine of  Jose Luis Macias Ramirez , the way it would be if I was called in Mexico ? or Like Nina Alvarez Martinez- Father's last name then the mother's ? I have never seen "Neri" before and didn't think that a name like that existed. Then I did read it right ! Thank you, Janet !!! I am so glad that you took the time to comment. You were most kind.
 
Sincerely,
 
Jose Luis Macias


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Iglesias
Sent: May 9, 2005 4:51 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Emilie's request for copies

Hi:
 
Just responding on the surnames . . Neri is actually a last name that I have in my family tree. I also believe it is short for a first name. I will check my tree and get back to you.
 
Janet
----- Original Message -----
From: zendean
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:53 PM
Sub

Emilie's request for copies

Hi:
 
Just responding on the surnames .
. Neri is actually a last name that I have in my family tree. I also believe
it is short for a first name. I will check my tree and get back to
you.
 
Janet
----- Original Message -----
From:
zendean
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Emilie's
request for copies

Emilie; you asked if you could have copies of the names
I am working on. Well, they are on a film and I will have to go to a machine
that will do a copy. I think I can do a scan to you. I hope they come out OK
because If I could discern the letters of the names, I would just
write them as spelled. But, it is that I have never seen names like these
before and am not sure that I am reading the script correctly. Some are very
faint and so I am not sure what I am reading.
Yes, Emilie, I will send you a copy as soon as I can get
into the Family History Center machine that does that

Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names

Thank you, Alberto for your input, I will try what you suggested. Again,
thank you


Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto Duarte"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names


Looking for the origin of a name:
Whenever I cannot find the origin of a name, I enter
the name in google.com and ask the question: what is
the orgin of this name ..........

Most of the time I get a half decent reply that helps.


Alberto

--- zendean  wrote:


Alberto;

Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German
names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing
a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It
was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments
are of value to me because now I am more aware of
the time line for the influx of German and Italian
names starting in 1945 and later.
 The names I am running accross are so unique that
they

Emilie's request for copies

Emilie; you asked if you could have copies of the names I
am working on. Well, they are on a film and I will have to go to a machine that
will do a copy. I think I can do a scan to you. I hope they come out OK because
If I could discern the letters of the names, I would just write them
as spelled. But, it is that I have never seen names like these before and am not
sure that I am reading the script correctly. Some are very faint and so I am not
sure what I am reading.
Yes, Emilie, I will send you a copy as soon as I can get
into the Family History Center machine that does that. I can believe how nice it
was of you to want to see what I am working with. There are some really nice
people here, like you.
Is the "Ranchos" site where you want the copies sent
? I will happily send them as soon as I can. I will use the same Subject
for the copies so you will know that it is in reference to a request by you.
These are names that I am positive on the spelling, have you ever run

[Fwd: Re: Accept Genealogies?]

Here is my correspondence with:


Curt B. Witcher
Manager, Historical Genealogy Department
NE Director, Indiana Genealogical Society
Allen County Public Library
P. O. Box 2270, 200 E. Berry Street
Fort Wayne, IN  46801-2270
CWitcher@...
260-421-1226
Fax: 260-421-1386

It never hurts to have your genealogy in "many" places so that 50 generations from
now maybe someone will find a misc copy

joseph

========================================





-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Re: Accept Genealogies?
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 06:24:48 -0500
From: Curt Witcher
To: makas@...




Joseph,

Please accept my apologies for your email mistakenly being transferred
to my "answered" folder when I indeed did not answer your second
message. I am sorry about that.

Yes, indeed, any contributor has the option of substituting/replacing
an earlier contribution with a more up to date

Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names

Jose Luis,
 
Would it be possible for you to send us a copy of that entry you just mentioned?  I am curious to see what those entries look like.
 
    Emilie Garcia
    Port Orchard, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: zendean
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:04 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroupscom
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names
 


Alberto;

Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments are of value to me because now I am more aware of the time line for the influx of German and Italian names starting in 1945 and later.
The names I am running accross are so unique that they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are the first of this kind that I have ever seen in hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a telephone book for Argentina. I need one

Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names

Looking for the origin of a name:
Whenever I cannot find the origin of a name, I enter
the name in google.com and ask the question: what is
the orgin of this name ..........

Most of the time I get a half decent reply that helps.


Alberto

--- zendean  wrote:

> 
> Alberto;
> 
> Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German
> names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing
> a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It
> was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments
> are of value to me because now I am more aware of
> the time line for the influx of German and Italian
> names starting in 1945 and later. 
>  The names I am running accross are so unique that
> they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing
> genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are
> the first of this kind that I have ever seen in
> hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a
> telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico
> soon because I think that will be

Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names

Alberto;

Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments are of value to me because now I am more aware of the time line for the influx of German and Italian names starting in 1945 and later. 
 The names I am running accross are so unique that they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are the first of this kind that I have ever seen in hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico soon because I think that will be my next assignment. For now I am trying to figure out a name that looks like "Useberlitano" or "Vsibrlijano" Altibucian, I think.  
Thank you again. 

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte 
Sent: May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:

Argentine names

Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals. 
They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
second world war.  If you review the early history of
Argentina, you will not see the many German and
Italian names you see now.

Alberto

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> Jose Luis,
> 
> I know that there has been a significant number of
> Italian and 
> German Immigrants in Argentina.  Perhaps that's why
> the names seem 
> so different from those found in other Latin
> American countries. 
> Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German
> phone books on 
> the Internet?  The names could've also been changed
> by the priest to 
> sound more Spanish.  Like the name Lomelin was
> changed from the 
> original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico. 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"
>  wrote:
> > Joseph,
> >     Thank you for the kind words about the work I
> do on 
> extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I hope

Maria's sugestion for Argentine names

Hi Jose Luis,

I found a link to the Italian white pages:  
http://www.paginebianche.it/index.html
For Germany:
http://www.teleauskunft.de/

I did a Google search using their language tools and then selected 
the language and country.  That is how I found the above links. I 
was thinking it might be easier to go to an Argentine Genealogy 
group (like our Ranchos group) and asking them about the surnames.  
That might make it easier to decipher those names.

I sure do appreciate the work that you are doing. The IGI is a great 
resource to us all.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"  wrote:
> Dear Maria;
>     Thank you ever so much for your suggestion. Could you tell me 
how to see 
> an Italian or German telephone book on the Internet ? I will 
quickly do what 
> you have suggested. I have done 1890 to 1895 so far for the church 
in 
> Argentina. I still have another 1,800 names to extract before I am 
finished. 
> I will go over the names once again to try

Slavery in Mexico: John Schmal


 Abstract from SLAVERY IN COLONIAL MEXICO
By John P. Schmal

The Marriages of Slaves in Mexico

The majority of slaves brought to the shores of Mexico were male. With a
lack of female Africans, most of these men eventually chose Indian or
mestizo women as spouses. The long-established Siete Partidas laws of
Spain granted slaves the right to select their spouses. Slave masters
were thus forbidden from intervening in this decision.


Professor Martha Menchaca, the author of Recovering History,
Reconstructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White Roots of Mexican
Americans, observed that "this legislation was of monumental importance
because it became the gateway for the children of slaves to gain their
freedom.


Due to the lobbying efforts of the Catholic Church the children of Black
male slaves and Indian women were declared free and given the right to
live with their mother." With laws that granted freedom to the children
of a slave who married into other racial