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I wrote this email to Yahoo asking about info on purchasing additional
"File" space. It seems that they don't have that option available. We are
going to have to think about some near > term solutions to our dwindling
file space.

Perhaps everyone should upload a GEDCOM file to worldconnect.rootsweb.com.
That way a link could be stored in the file space, but the data would be
stored elsewhere, freeing up a lot of space.

~Deena Ortiz~

What year did this take place?

Alberto.
--- "Steve G. Apodaca"  wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to write something that I found out
> recently while 
> reading Historia de la Conquista de la Nueva Espana,
> by Bernal Diaz 
> del Castillo. Perhaps many of you know about this
> story, but anyways, 
> it is about the first mexican mestizo. It was not,
> like I used to 
> believe, from the union of Cortes and la Malinche,
> but rather of 
> another espanol way before that.
> 
> The story says that when Cortes first landed on the
> Yucatan peninsula, 
> he heard the news from the indian translators that
> two espaniards were 
> slaves in that area. He sent for his rescue, and
> paid a ransom to 
> their masters for their freedom. One of them was a
> priest called 
> Jeronimo de Aguilar. As soon as he was freed, he
> went to look for the 
> other espanol. This is what the book says:
> 
> "When he had read the letter and received the
> ransom, he carreid the 
> beads delightedly to

Smiley

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I think I found an easy solution to our storage problem. . .delete my
previous moan and groan email and I'll let you know if the solution works.

thanks,

joseph

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I wrote this email to Yahoo asking about info on purchasing additional "File" space. It seems that they don't have that

I think I found an easy solution to our storage problem. . .delete my
previous moan and groan email and I'll let you know if the solution works.

thanks,

joseph

Archivo de Indias
http://www.ldelpino.com/archivos.html

The link in the previous message got truncated and it doesn't work 
correctly, still you can copy and paste it directly to your browser.

www.yucatan.com.mx/especiales/montejo/estatua_gonzaloguerrero.asp

Steve,
That's indeed a little know historical fact about the father 
of "Mestizaje".

In Mérida, the capital city of the State of Yucatán, there is a 
statue erected in honor of the Spaniard sailor Gonzalo Guerrero, who 
together with the Mayan woman Ix Chel Cam, procreated the first 
mestizo children in the Americas.  Here's the link:

http://www.yucatan.com.mx/especiales/montejo/estatua_gonzaloguerrero.a
sp

The book "Historia General de las Indias", written by Francisco López 
de Gómara, although a lesser work when compared to Diaz del 
Castillo's "Historia Verdadera", makes also a brief reference to 
Gonzalo Guerrero.  Here's a link to the full (Spanish) online version:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/Onuba/MA110.htm

If you like history books don't miss the chance to save this one!
Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steve G. Apodaca"  
wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to write something that I found out recently while 
> reading Historia de la Conquista de la Nueva

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I just wanted to write something that I found out recently while 
reading Historia de la Conquista de la Nueva Espana, by Bernal Diaz 
del Castillo. Perhaps many of you know about this story, but anyways, 
it is about the first mexican mestizo. It was not, like I used to 
believe, from the union of Cortes and la Malinche, but rather of 
another espanol way before that.

The story says that when Cortes first landed on the Yucatan peninsula, 
he heard the news from the indian translators that two espaniards were 
slaves in that area. He sent for his rescue, and paid a ransom to 
their masters for their freedom. One of them was a priest called 
Jeronimo de Aguilar. As soon as he was freed, he went to look for the 
other espanol. This is what the book says:

"When he had read the letter and received the ransom, he carreid the 
beads delightedly to his master the Cacique an begged leave to depart. 
The Cacique gave him permission to go wherever he wished, and Aguilar 
set out for the place

Not offended at all.

Of course I was brought up over here, not in mexico. I think we left there
for good when I was like 4 or 5.

But I was baptized as a baby a couple months old, then when I was like in
first grade I went to catacizim and then made my first communinon, then 13
or 14 my confirmation.

But I guess things are just different everywhere and with each family also.



              ~~glo~~






From: Smiley 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:56:55 -0700 (PDT)

...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an authority on
this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and she said that the child
is baptized when they are under 1 year old, then at the age of 3 or later,
they are then confirmed. The timeframe depends on the parents. If the
child has NOT been presented to the church before this time, then

I made my confirmation in my teen years, not shure which but I think it was
like 13 or 14.

              ~~glo~~






From: Alicia Carrillo 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:50:30 -0700 (PDT)

Chris, this all depends on which years you're looking for. In most parishes
this occured at the same time as baptism and in some parishes shortly there
after.

Alicia

Chris Pineda  wrote:
Hey all,

I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
born in Tlaltenango.

The problem is that this is the second time, where I
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
moved there.

Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage

To add a note to the conversation about confirmations - I've read hundreds of confirmation records, both in Mexico and Puerto Rico, and they are not usually worth reading unless you're really desperate.  Most list no dates and no parents, and give just the child's name and the padrinos.  

And as for the expuestos, I've come across several who were expuesto en la casa de Don So and So; and I've found them being married 20 years later or included in a will, and listed as Don or Doñã -- hijo/hija natural de, or hijo/hija reconocido de ---, the natural children of the son or daughter or of the master of the house, but unacknowledged at the time of birth because, for people of a certain social status, to have a child out of wedlock wasn't socially unacceptable. 

I've come across several reference to baptisms in Mexico of children over three months old, and the priest explained in the record that the delay was caused by the fact that the rivers were so high that it prevented the child from

Smiley

Hola Chris

Well I was raised Catholic in Mexico. I got my confirmation when I
was 13 or 14, I do not remember exactly. The same thing happened to
my brother who is 3 years older. However, my oldest brothers and
sisters, as well as my parents, were confirmed on their childhood
soon after they were born. Once, I asked my grandma why I did not
have my confirmation when I was baptized, and she told me that in the
past, it was a common practice to confirm children before their
second birthday; however, some priests adviced the parents no to get
the confirmation at that age and wait until the child was 13 years
old, so that he/she could be able to understand the real meaning of
confirmation. I remember that I had to go to

Smiley

I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions.

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find

Hola Chris

Well I was raised Catholic in Mexico. I got my confirmation when I 
was 13 or 14, I do not remember exactly. The same thing happened to 
my brother who is 3 years older. However, my oldest brothers and 
sisters, as well as my parents, were confirmed on their childhood 
soon after they were born. Once, I asked my grandma why I did not 
have my confirmation when I was baptized, and she told me that in the 
past, it was a common practice to confirm children before their 
second birthday; however, some priests adviced the parents no to get 
the confirmation at that age and wait until the child was 13 years 
old, so that he/she could be able to understand the real meaning of 
confirmation. I remember that I had to go to saturday classes to 
prepare for my first communion for a couple years, and an extra year 
of classes to get my confirmation. 

After that year of studying, I received my confirmation from the 
bishop of Ciudad Guzman who put some oil on my forehead and then

I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions. 

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find anything I'll be sure to let you
know. 

Again, I really appreciate all the emails.

Chris Pineda

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> 
> No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and
> benefit from each 
> other's experiences.  I myself was born in
> Guadalajara and I was 
> confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a
> year of my 
> baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris'
> question was 
> related to an ancestor so I answered it according to
> the

No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and benefit from each 
other's experiences.  I myself was born in Guadalajara and I was 
confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a year of my 
baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris' question was 
related to an ancestor so I answered it according to the timeframe 
Chris was referring to (1800's or so) for a gggreat-grandfather.

The records I have examined for expuestos are pretty clear in the 
language they use that the child was abandoned.  They list no 
parents' names and the child is not given a surname.  They are also 
very specific as to the location where the child was left.  Such as, 
being left on the doorstep of Don Ygnacio Sánchez.  They also say 
the child is being baptized, not just blessed.  Thus, you find them 
in the baptismal books, as Chris did.

I also do not profess to be an authority on the subject, but only 
speak from my own limited experience.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Smiley