Clarification - names of living persons

What about a person (parent/grandparent) who has died in the past few 
years, and had a SS# - if that person is listed on your tree, along 
with maiden name of mother ... seems I've read that that is enough 
information for someone to perpetuate some kind of fraud or other ID 
theft problem (well - some use even less information I suppose). This 
is what I am concerned about.
Thanks all for your thoughts on this matter.

Natalie




Names of living persons

no you are right on target!!!!!!!!!!!

don't send in files (reports, charts etc) that have living persons on
them. By all means no SS#'s and if those that have done so are doing so
at their own risk. Not saying anyone on the group would resort to such a
thing but If you allow your living relatives to go here you might have
been doing it elsewhere as well.


no living relatives.

(not sure I answered your question if I didn't ask again and maybe next
time I'll get it).


joseph

Natalie wrote:

I have perused some of the files (not all of them yet), and have seen
some that list names of persons who might possibly have SS#'s. Identity
theft and visions of hackers has made me a little paranoid about the
kind of information I should post in the files sections.
So ... Do your files contain names and other ID data of persons (living
or deceased) with SS#'s? I know the majority of the files are historic,
so maybe this is not a concern, but there are the more recent
generations

Hello everyone. Hola a todos

My name is Maria.I have been researching my ancestors for a few years 
now. With the help of a relative I can now trace the Huerta name back 
to Vicente Huerta in about 1852.
The names I am researchinh are Huerta, Medina, Avila, Munoz, Romo and 
others but I can't locate my notes at the moment. They are al in the 
areas around Rancho Cosalima, county of Tabasco in the state of 
Zacatecas.  

Mi nombre es Maria. He estado investigando mis apellidos por un tiempo 
y con la ayuda de un pariente,he podido encontrar a un familiar desde 
1852, Vicente Huerta.
Los apellidos que estoy buscando son Huerta, Medina, Avila, Romo y 
otros que no recuerdo al momento. Todos son de el area de Rancho 
Cosalima, municipio de Tabasco en Zacatecas.

Maria,
ice__princess@...




Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

Hola Francisco,

¿Puede usted decirme si usted sabe de algún Sandoval, Arrellano, o Correa en
aquella área?


Vinimos de Zacatecas, pero como mi abuela nació en Guadaljara Jalisco, y la
mayor parte de mi familia se había movido allí.


lamentable mis español no es que grande.

gloria







From: Francisco Martin 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT)

Hola:

Yo soy de Leon, Gto. estoy a 20 minutos de lagos de Moreno, Jal. de
hecho toda mi familia es de esa zona en que te puedo ayudar?.


     Saludos

        Francisco Martin

Joseph Puentes  wrote:
Lagos de Moreno
Sitio Oficial del Ayuntamiento
http://www.lagosdemoreno.gob.mx/

Victor Villarreal put this in the "Pueblos on the Web" folder in the links
area. . .check it out.


joseph



Smiley wrote:

...what a nice site. I loved the lay out & how easy it was to get from

Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

Hola:
 
    Yo soy de Leon, Gto. estoy a 20 minutos de lagos de Moreno, Jal. de hecho toda mi familia es de esa zona en que te puedo ayudar?.
 
     Saludos
 
        Francisco Martin

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Lagos de Moreno
Sitio Oficial del Ayuntamiento
http://www.lagosdemoreno.gob.mx/

Victor Villarreal put this in the "Pueblos on the Web" folder in the links area. . .check it out.

joseph



Smiley wrote:

...what a nice site.  I loved the lay out & how easy it was to get from one point to the next.  Now if I could only get someone to do the same in the Lagos de Moreno area.  Thanks for the link & all the info on this area.  My family and I might just stop by there on the way down to LDM this summer....
 
Smiley


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Names of living persons

I have perused some of the files (not all of them yet), and have seen 
some that list names of persons who might possibly have SS#'s. Identity 
theft and visions of hackers has made me a little paranoid about the 
kind of information I should post in the files sections.
So ... Do your files contain names and other ID data of persons (living 
or deceased) with SS#'s? I know the majority of the files are historic, 
so maybe this is not a concern, but there are the more recent 
generations about which I have concerns. Where do you stand? Are my 
concerns unfounded?
Thanks for your help.

Natalie



Spanish lesson on computers

...I LOVE it Alicia.  This gave me a great chuckle.  I won't state which way my opinion fell but it was a no brainer for me!  Please know that this has now been "snagged".....
 
Smiley
 


Alicia Carrillo wrote:
I know this is not related to geneaology but it is humourous and does relate to our language.
 
Thought a good laugh might be nice.
Alicia

A Spanish teacher was explaining to her class that in Spanish, unlike
English, nouns are designated as either masculine or feminine. "House"
for instance, is feminine: "la casa." "Pencil," however, is masculine:
"el lapiz."

A student asked, "What gender is 'computer'?"

Instead of giving the answer, the teacher split the class into two
groups, male and female, and asked them to decide for themselves
whether
"computer" should be a masculine or a feminine noun. Each group was
asked to give four reasons for its recommendation.

The men's group decided that "computer" should definitely be of the
feminine gender ("la computer"), because:

1

Spanish lesson on computers

I know this is not related to geneaology but it is humourous and does relate to our language.
 
Thought a good laugh might be nice.
Alicia

A Spanish teacher was explaining to her class that in Spanish, unlike
English, nouns are designated as either masculine or feminine. "House"
for instance, is feminine: "la casa." "Pencil," however, is masculine:
"el lapiz."

A student asked, "What gender is 'computer'?"

Instead of giving the answer, the teacher split the class into two
groups, male and female, and asked them to decide for themselves
whether
"computer" should be a masculine or a feminine noun. Each group was
asked to give four reasons for its recommendation.

The men's group decided that "computer" should definitely be of the
feminine gender ("la computer"), because:

1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic;

2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is
incomprehensible to everyone else;

3. Even the
smallest mistakes are stored in long term memory

Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

Lagos de
Moreno



Sitio Oficial del Ayuntamiento

http://www.lagosdemoreno.gob.mx/



Victor Villarreal put this in the "Pueblos on the Web" folder in the
links area. . .check it out.



joseph







Smiley wrote:


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...what a nice site.  I loved the lay
out & how easy it was to get from one point to the next.  Now if I
could only get someone to do the same in the Lagos de Moreno area. 
Thanks for the link & all the info on this area.  My family and I
might just stop by there on the way down to LDM this summer....
 
Smiley




Joseph Puentes wrote:

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...what a nice site.  I loved the lay out & how easy it was to get from one point to the next.  Now if I could only get someone to do the same in the Lagos de Moreno area.  Thanks for the link & all the info on this area.  My family and I might just stop by there on the way down to LDM this summer....

 

Smiley



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Nochistlan: Información matrimonial


Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:44:26 -0700
   From: "Deena Ortiz" 
Subject: Re: Sebastian de Vlloa

There are no parents identified in this record.  This is a problem that has 
become a block wall for me on several lines.  For a series of years (about 
the first third of the 18th century, 1752, 1785) no parents are identified 
for any of the "pretensos" -- the bride and groom -- on the microfilmed 
records for marriages in Nochistlan.  Since the abuelos were not indentified 
in the christening records till the latter part of 1798, where do I turn 
without having to make a trip to Nochistlan to break down these walls?  So 
far I have only looked at the films of matrimonios and bautismos on loan 
from the Family History Center in SLC.

~Deena Ortiz~
  

What do these films reveal? Are they also lacking the parents of the
married? I realize that this might not help Charles since it appears
that 1727 is missing.



joseph



=====================================

Digest Number 499

Deena Ortiz's work is especially welcome and much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

----- Original Message -----
From:

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:03 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 499


There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Re: Sebastian de Vlloa
          From: "Deena Ortiz" 
     2. Re: Re: Sebastian de Vlloa
          From: Alicia Carrillo 
     3. Re: Digest Number 495
          From: Lorenzo Cuesta 

4. Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen;
Lorenzo; Maria; Steven(2)

          From: Joseph Puentes 


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
  Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:44:26 -0700
  From: "Deena Ortiz" 
Subject: Re: Sebastian de Vlloa

There are no parents identified

Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen; Lorenzo; Maria; Steven(2)

Ojala que ya no lo tenemos. No e oido de los otros. voy a tener que
pidir por ayuda otra vez.



gracias



joseph



Lorenzo Cuesta wrote:

Hola Joseph,
 
Seguí tus instrucciones al pie de la letra.  No tuve dificultad
de acceso ni de lectura con los dos documentos que indicaste. 
¿Entonces, ya no tenemos el problem para almacenar documentos?
 
Atentamente,
Lorenzo Cuesta
Sacramento, CA


________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________



Message: 4

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:28:32 -0500

From: Joseph Puentes

Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen; Lorenzo;
Maria; Steven





albertodua, angelrcervantes, mistyriver123, quijote1945,

readysetgo95814, sgapodaca



Will the above members please try to access my personal briefcase to
see

if that will be a good place to store additional Files in the future.



You need to go to "Links" then

Digest Number 495

Hola Joseph,

 

Seguí tus instrucciones al pie de la letra.  No tuve dificultad de acceso ni de lectura con los dos documentos que indicaste.  ¿Entonces, ya no tenemos el problem para almacenar documentos?

 

Atentamente,

Lorenzo Cuesta

Sacramento, CA


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:28:32 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Necesito Ayuda:Test PleaseHelp/Alberto; Angel; Helen; Lorenzo; Maria; Steven


albertodua, angelrcervantes, mistyriver123, quijote1945,
readysetgo95814, sgapodaca

Will the above members please try to access my personal briefcase to see
if that will be a good place to store additional Files in the future.

You need to go to "Links" then to "Genealogies" then to Click on
"AntonioPuenteAnnaPlacencia
"
and then see
if you can access both either one of the files in my
briefcase. If you all can then I might have found a solution to our
storage file problem. . .at least it will give us an additional 30 mb
which is more than we have now.

thanks,


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Sebastian de Vlloa

Deena,
 
I was in Nochistlan last September and found that they have less information than the IGI does. I think that it might be possible to get more information in Guadalajara than in Nochistlan. In Nochistlan they only have archived the more recent information as in the last 120 years or around that time frame. They were reluctant to pull anything that was not on their computerized data base or they didn't have it there. My sister in-laws sister was, until her death in 2003 in charge of Tlachichila's Parish Records for about 40 years. Tlachichila is in the Municipio de Nochistlan and she said that most of the older records were in storage in Guadalajara. In order to gain access to those records you must be either a historian, professor, someone with influence in the Catholic church or you must present a good case to them as to why you would like to see these records. Maybe by our membership in this genealogical group collectively we could petition these records. Something to

Sebastian de Vlloa

There are no
parents identified in this record.  This is a problem that has become a
block wall for me on several lines.  For a series of years (about the first
third of the 18th century, 1752, 1785) no parents are identified for any of the
"pretensos" -- the bride and groom -- on the microfilmed records for marriages
in Nochistlan.  Since the abuelos were not indentified in the christening
records till the latter part of 1798, where do I turn without having to make a
trip to Nochistlan to break down these walls?  So far I have only looked at
the films of matrimonios and bautismos on loan from the Family History Center in
SLC.

 

~Deena Ortiz~


size=3>
 

>Sebastian
de Vlloa

>just a guess but have you seen this
record?:

>SEBASTIAN DE VLLOA 


face="Times New Roman" size=3>  Male   Family

href="">
size=3>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=160665229&indi_id=500167407018&lds=1&region=10&frompage=1

face="Times New Roman" size=3>>

Sebastian de Vlloa

just a guess but have you seen this record?:


SEBASTIAN DE VLLOA
  Male   Family

Event(s):
Birth: 
Christening: 
Death: 
Burial: 

Marriages:
  Spouse:  YSABEL
XIMENES
Family
  Marriage: 
01
OCT 1727  
Nochistlan,
Zacatecas, Mexico

Messages:
Extracted
marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records
are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source

Digest Number 497

Has anyone traced the Ulloa family in Nochistlan back to the early 1600s?
According to Clotilde Evelia Quiarte in her book on Nochistlan, Gaspar de
Casareal y Ulloa was a founder of Nochistlan. Does anyone have Gaspar's
descendants?


I am interested because I have my grandmother Ulloa's ancestor back to
Sebastian de Ulloa born about 1704 and can't get beyond this. Perhaps
someone has done Gaspar downwards and I can use the data to link up.


Sincerely,

Charles Clark

----- Original Message -----
From:

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 497


There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Re: Newspapers - early 20th century
          From: Armando Lopez 
     2. Historic Newspapers
          From: Joseph Puentes 


________________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________

Historic Newspapers

I'd suggest emailing the University of Guadalajara closest to your
target area and asking them for which time period they have newspapers
in their archives. Then you'd have to travel there to see them if they
have what you need.



joseph



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Museo Del Periodismo Y De Las Artes
Gráficas
: In 1792
Guadalajara's first printing press was set up on this site, where today
you can see displays of historic newspapers, printing presses,
recording equipment, and a complete television studio. The building has
long been known as the Casa de los Perros because of the two
wrought-iron dogs (perros) "guarding" the roof. Av. Alcalde 225, Phone:
3/613-9286. COST: About 50¢. Tues.-Sat. 10-6, Sun. 10:30-3.



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Newspapers - early 20th century

Hi Natalie.

I have been trying to access news from Los Altos, Jal., notably in the Arandas-Jesus Maria regions, also, but I haven't had any luck as of yet.

I have only found Catholic church publications.

Please let me know, if you're able, if you happen on any of these regional publications.

Thanks,

Armando Lopez V.

Natalie wrote:

Does anyone know of the existence of archives of newspapers in
Zacatecas for years 1880-1920? It would be interesting to read about
the contemporary news of that time period.
Thanks to all for sharing your ideas and expertise - this is always a
great place for learning.

Natalie






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Newspapers - early 20th century

Does anyone know of the existence of archives of newspapers in 
Zacatecas for years 1880-1920? It would be interesting to read about 
the contemporary news of that time period.
Thanks to all for sharing your ideas and expertise - this is always a 
great place for learning.

Natalie



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