Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an authority on this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and she said that the child is baptized when they are under 1 year old, then at the age of 3 or later, they are then confirmed.  The timeframe depends on the parents.  If the child has NOT been presented to the church before this time, then anyone can present the child to the Father to have that child blessed (expuesto).  My MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few years ago, lived there her whole life.  I did not mean to upset anyone with my reply so if I did, I apologize...
 
Smiley
 


Irma GomezLucero wrote:
I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 
 
In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed

Club Zacatecano, Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

Good for Alicia and Club Zacatecas. I second your
sentiments, Smiley.
 
Zendean
----- Original Message -----
From:
Smiley
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 11:04
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Club Zacatecano,
Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

...Alicia, that is great news.  I am sure
the group will grow & prosper when more people understand what the group
is for.  I have family, but from Rancho Los Ramirez, Rio Grande,
ZAC.  I wish you only the best of luck.  Please keep us informed as
to the progress of the meetings...
 
Smiley
Norman, OK


Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...>
wrote:
I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This
afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called
Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion
de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully
sanctioned by the Club

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take
place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 
 
In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used
to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to
"Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed quite
recently to as early as 7 years of age.   
 
Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually received
at the age of 2. 
 
Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on someone's
doorstep with parents unknown. 
 
Irma

From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@...]

Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
To:
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about
Confirmations, and Expuestos

...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year
of a child's life; and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of
age; and as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout
Catholic) states this is a word used when the child has NOT been

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of a child's life; and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of age; and as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout Catholic) states this is a word used when the child has NOT been confirmed.  They are outside of the church, or possibly going to another church or have moved out of the area.  I hope this helps you out Chris...
 
Smiley
 

readysetgo95814 wrote:


Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's
life.  Shortly after baptism.

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private
residence.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda
wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.  
>
> The problem is that

Club Zacatecano, Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

...Alicia, that is great news.  I am sure the group will grow & prosper when more people understand what the group is for.  I have family, but from Rancho Los Ramirez, Rio Grande, ZAC.  I wish you only the best of luck.  Please keep us informed as to the progress of the meetings...
 
Smiley
Norman, OK


Alicia Carrillo wrote:
I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully sanctioned by the Club Zacatecano which is affiliated with the 3x1 in Zacatecas and Mexico City.
 
Prior to tonights meeting the main method of communication and fundrasing was by word of mouth to a very small group of individuals who were continously taxed with raising money for the 3x1. For every dollar raised here,  the fedral government and the state of

Club Zacatecano, Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully sanctioned by the Club Zacatecano which is affiliated with the 3x1 in Zacatecas and Mexico City.
 
Prior to tonights meeting the main method of communication and fundrasing was by word of mouth to a very small group of individuals who were continously taxed with raising money for the 3x1. For every dollar raised here,  the fedral government and the state of Zacatecas matched it with one dollar each. In spite of the small group they have managed to raise money to build the cafeteria for the high school, build the first funeral parlor of the town and built a senior center.
 
The group is planning as a result of tonights meeting it's first dinner dance. We convinced them that not only was it important to

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unsubscribing one but proceeded to unsubscribe 5 individuals. I was
actually very happy that I got as much response as I did from those that
had not submitted their work. . .kinda makes me feel like people are
finding value in what we are doing in Ranchos and making and effort to
stay part of the group. I just want to thank everyone for their
participation and interest in the group. I started Ranchos to help me
and you all have been there ready to help many many times. thanks,


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Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's 
life.  Shortly after baptism. 

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's 
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private 
residence. 

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda  wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.   
> 
> The problem is that this is the second time, where I
> haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
> born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
> born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
> moved there. 
> 
> Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
> timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
>  But I was also thinking that I could request the
> Confirmation records but I really have no idea

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

Chris, this all depends on which years you're looking for. In most parishes this occured at the same time as baptism and in some parishes shortly there after.
 
Alicia

Chris Pineda
wrote:

Hey all,

I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
born in Tlaltenango.  

The problem is that this is the second time, where I
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
moved there.

Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
But I was also thinking that I could request the
Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
not raised Catholic.

On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by
a
ser

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

Hey all,

I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
born in Tlaltenango.   

The problem is that this is the second time, where I
haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
born in some other city around Tlaltenango and later
moved there. 

Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
 But I was also thinking that I could request the
Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
not raised Catholic. 

On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by a
series of names.  Does anyone know what this means?

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Chris Pineda


		
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physical state of being.  

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I, Worst of All

Hi Joseph,
 
She was also the first feminist of the Americas.  I've
never seen the movie.  I'll have to look for it.  I wrote a paper on
her for a class as an undergraduate.  In addition to her religious themed
writings, she also wrote the following amazing poem which criticized the "double
standard" of the time.  She was amazing, and brilliant
...
 
Enjoy,
Irma
 
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Hombres necios que acusáis
a la mujer, sin
razón,
sin ver que sois la ocasión
de lo mismo que culpáis;

si con
ansia sin igual
solicitáis su desdén,
por qué queréis que obren bien
si
las incitáis al mal?

Combatís su resistencia
y luego, con
gravedad,
decís que fue liviandad
lo que hizo la
diligencia.

Parecer quiere el denuedo
de vuestro parecer loco,
al
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y luego le tiene miedo.

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necia,
hallar a la que buscáis
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y en la
posesión, Lucrecia.

¿Qué humor puede ser más raro
que el que, falto de
consejo,
él mismo empaña el espejo
y siente que no esté claro?

Con

Colotlan Clubs: was Doctorate Study about Zacatecas

Colotlan has clubs around the country also but most are in CA. . .if
anyone is interested let me know and Illl put you in contact with the
group leader.



joseph





Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Here's a very
interesting document I googled about Zacatecas. It talks of the clubs
in the USA called the 3x1 or formerly 2X1. In San Jose the Governor of
Zacatecas came for a fundraiser two weeks ago. She was invited by the
local club Zacatecano and unfortunately we could not attend as we were
out of town for a convention. This is an effective method of networking
for your geneaology group. The San Jose, Ca, club de Tlachichila will
be holding a dance and fundraiser next month and I've been recruiting
people to attend via the roots web page. I'll let you know how this
goes as it goes.
 
Alicia
 
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I just noticed that it did not have a complete address. Here it is, really good article.
 
Alicia
 

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Doctorate Study about Zacatecas
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Here's a very interesting document I googled about Zacatecas. It talks of the clubs in the USA called the 3x1 or formerly 2X1. In San Jose the Governor of Zacatecas came for a fundraiser two weeks ago. She was invited by the local club Zacatecano and unfortunately we could not attend as we were out of town for a convention. This is an effective method of networking for your geneaology group. The San Jose, Ca, club de Tlachichila will be holding a dance and fundraiser next month and I've been recruiting people to attend via the roots web page. I'll let you know how this goes as it goes.
 
Alicia
 
[PDF] Doctorado
File Format: PDF/Adobe

Jalisco: Las Cajas, Tlacuitapa, San Antonio de la Garza, Lagos de Moreno, Guadal





Smiley wrote:

...Joseph...I found the FHC here in
Norman.  I guess I am one of the lucky ones, as this is only about a
mile from my home.  What is sad, is I used to live in Salt Lake City
and never did any of my own research.  I was always helping everyone
else...smile.
 
I never even thought about the FHC,
until you mentioned them just now in this post!  I was thinking
"foreign", how much fun was I gonna have looking for them.  I may luck
out pretty good.  I sure hope so, so I can give my Mother-in-Law
something really special for Mothers Day this year.  Thank you so very
much for "knocking" my brain into thinking...

I would go at collecting more info from your in-laws. Seems that oral
history comes in spurts and they really do remember a lot more than
they think they know. I'd not ask them questions that are closed ended
but rather ones that would let them just tell stories of how things
were and then as they reach points of special interest question them a
"little"

Doctorate Study about Zacatecas

Here's a very interesting document I googled about Zacatecas. It talks of the clubs in the USA called the 3x1 or formerly 2X1. In San Jose the Governor of Zacatecas came for a fundraiser two weeks ago. She was invited by the local club Zacatecano and unfortunately we could not attend as we were out of town for a convention. This is an effective method of networking for your geneaology group. The San Jose, Ca, club de Tlachichila will be holding a dance and fundraiser next month and I've been recruiting people to attend via the roots web page. I'll let you know how this goes as it goes.

 

Alicia

 

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... Animas y Tlachichila en Nochistlan, y El Remolino, en Juchipila?, ... a)
Visitas a El Cargadero, El Remolino y Tlachichila, estableciendo ...
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Jalisco: Las Cajas, Tlacuitapa, San Antonio de la Garza, Lagos de Moreno, Guadal

...Joseph...I found the FHC here in Norman.  I guess I am one of the lucky ones, as this is only about a mile from my home.  What is sad, is I used to live in Salt Lake City and never did any of my own research.  I was always helping everyone else...smile.
 
I never even thought about the FHC, until you mentioned them just now in this post!  I was thinking "foreign", how much fun was I gonna have looking for them.  I may luck out pretty good.  I sure hope so, so I can give my Mother-in-Law something really special for Mothers Day this year.  Thank you so very much for "knocking" my brain into thinking...
 
Most Appreciative,
 
Smiley Scott  (whose really smiling right about now)
Norman, OK
 


Joseph Puentes wrote:


well have you been using any Family History Center materials for your search? If not you need to locate the closest FHC to you and order some films from the Lagos area. I would think you will be find abundant info to begin tracing your family in these films. Let me

Jalisco: Las Cajas, Tlacuitapa, San Antonio de la Garza, Lagos de Moreno, Guadal



well have you been using any Family History Center materials for your
search? If not you need to locate the closest FHC to you and order some
films from the Lagos area. I would think you will be find abundant info
to begin tracing your family in these films. Let me know what city you
live in and I'll send you the addresses of the FHC's close to you.



general info about Lagos:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1634-1957

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Santa María de los Lagos (Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Algunos libros incluyen índice.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions,
marriages, and deaths from Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

Some of the registers include an index.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Lagos de Moreno - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Geneal�gica de Utah,
1958

Physical

476

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Interesting Link About Guadalajara

...yes Victor, this is wonderful link.  Thank you so much...Smiley

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Thanks Victor, this is a great historical website. Much history of Guadalajara and it's holdings which encompassed vast amounts of land.

 

Alicia

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