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I noticed this thread regarding my ancestors Francisco de Acosta Esqueda
and Ana Maria from Coria Spain. They are the parents of my Ines de
Esqueda. This thread talks about Mulatos and slavery in Spain, my question
is, did they really have slavery in Spain. Also, if a parent is a slave,
does that mean the child is a slave?

Paige

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
It could be a mulatto from Spain. In Spain, they also had and owned slaves, some of them were African slaves, others could be prisoners who had been designated as slaves and the prisoners could be from other countries as well, India, north African countries and even European countries. If they committed a crime and they were incarcerated, their sentence could be to serve as a slave.

The term mulatto was overused and unless you really know the parents ethnicity its quite difficult to state what kind of mulatto they refer to. The word denotes a mix person usually but not necessarily of darker skin tone, in Mexico lots of mestizos where named mulatto, the term also was given to people of Moorish/Arab ancestry, to some Jews, (all of them converted generations earlier obviously) and to "true" mulattoes too. Thus a "Spanish born mulatto" is by no means impossible in this time period, but their true ethnicity is often difficult if not impossible to determinate.

In this specific case there is also a tiny possibility that Francisco de Esqueda didn't know his mother true origins, thus pairing Her birthplace with His Dad's, in either case the "casts" given often do not truly represent people's actual background, usually by putting together several siblings then we can have a slightly better idea of their origins.

Would be good to investigate the history of this period in Coria, it may throw a better light to it.

RJ Quiralte

Jaime,

Yes, it is the same Francisco Muñoz de Nava. He married María González abt.
1614 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Parents of María González were Pedro de
Huerta y Sánchez and María González de Rubalcava; her paternal grandparents
Pedro de Huerta and María Sánchez; her maternal grandparents Alonso González
de Rubalcaba and Beatriz López de Fuenllana. María used both her mother's
maiden name María Ganzález and her paternal grandmother's name María
Sánchez.

Bill Figueroa

Hello Jaime,

In reference to your question "...is Maria Gonzalez and Maria Sanchez the
same person?" Take a look at familysearch batch #F867689 sheet 042 Source
call #1396252 .... It shows Andres Munoz de Nava as son of Francisco Munoz
de Nava and Maria Sanchez .... Then Maria Sanchez as being the daughter of
Pedro de Huerta AND Maria Gonzales de Ruvalcaba!

Therefore it is quite possible that Maria Sanchez and Maria Gonzales are the
same person ... Of course without seeing the actual documentation it is just
conjecture, but it does seem plausible.

-Angelina-

Hello Jaime,

I found in "Somos Primos" Sept 2006 (I believe) an article (Descendants of
don Diego Alonso Ramirez de Pedroza) by John Inclan that states that Juan
Munos de Nava was married to Elvira Tiscareno. Then according to
familysearch batch #7516203 sheet 40 Source call #0884527 - she was also
daughter of Luis Ticareno de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. I don't
have any parents for this Juan Munos de Nava .... Could this have been a
third brother that married a third sister? Or could Elvira be one of your
Luisas? I believe John Inclan is part of this group, perhaps he can shed
light on this mystery.

-Angelina-

Have you already tried checking the on-line digital images of Civil Registration Death Records and Catholic Church Records for Guadalajara, Mexico in Familysearch?

Estimados Amigos:

Mi esposo y yo asistiremos por segunda vez a las confrerencias de Genealogía e Historia de la Familia en Aguascalientes, nos acompañará nuestro nieto de 17 años. Ya tenemos nuestras reservaciones en el Hotel Francia. Nos dará mucho gusto verlos en esa hermosa ciudad.

Pero antes, mi esposo y yo visitaremos Alemania, la Rep. Checa y Polonia en donde él representará a su familia como patron honorífico en una competencia a nivel preparatoria, sobre la Historia de las Familias, Castillos y Palacios en Silesia.
En ése lugar nació mi marido en 1939 cuando aún era Alemania, después de la Segunda Guerra Mundial, esa provincia Alemana pasó a ser parte de Polonia.

Esperamos verlos en Agosto en Aguascalientes, mientras tanto les enviamos muchos saludos desde el Edo. de Nueva York.

Bertha y Guenter Boehm

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Sorry for the interruption, just have a quick question for Katy. Where did
you find the old map that's at the top of your blog page? I would be interested in looking it up. Thank you.
Gustavo

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Katy I'm confused again. I have in my records Miguel Olague married to Juana de la Torre del Rio y Loza
marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
...trunk..Miguel de Olague and Juana de la Torre
Leonor de Olague.. Agueda de Olague
Angela Ortiz...............Francisco Chavez
Christoval Villavicencio..Gertrudis Chavez
source: sagrada mitra 167989
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this has Juana Gamboa Moxica as her Mother and makes her daughter of Juan Campo de la Torre and Angela Velasco Renteria y Moxica.. is this correct? I do have a Juana Gamboa Moxica mother of Antonia Gamboa y Moxica married to Nicolas Gonzales de Haro. Is this the same Juana Gamboa Agueda names as her Mother?
Also the dispensation says Pedro had 3 children but are they with Agueda? Also if Pedro is second cousin to Aguedas grandfather Juan Campos de la Torre, any idea who and how???
Linda, confused again in Olympia, Wa

Si los Jimenez de Mendoza empieza aqui con don Nicolas Jimenez y Juana Hurtado de Mendoza. He sospechado quelos Nicolas Jimenez y Juan Jimenez eran parientes una manera, no hay muchos Jimenez en Los Altos. Dudo queeran mestizos estos hombres. Tenia que ser hombre de linaje porque su apellido tenia el "derecho" a componer su apellidocon los ilustros Mendoza. Nicolas Jimenez es mencioado que era un hidalgo segun dice don Mariano Gonzalez Leal.No se sabe mucho de estos Jimenez. Solo se que Jimenez de MEndoza es un apellido compuesto y unas de las ramas rivalesque se "quebraron de los Mendoza". Estos siendo, Gutierrez de MEndoza, Gomez de Mendoza, etc.

Saludos,
Daniel
Nicolas y Juana son mis ancestros varias veces si he estudio la familia.
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Well I hope you are not holding your breath, as my first of several books is still a few years away unfortunately. But when they are ready for publication, there will be announcements.

I have members of the Suazo y Carmona family members in my records, but I am not a Suazo y Carmona by blood. Since I do not descend from them I am guilty as charged of not caring about lines that are not my own. They marry into a few of my lines from Tepatitlán, primarily Alvarez de la Cruz, Cortes, Velásquez, Estrada, Loza, and a few others. I have more info on these families that the Suazos married into.

I have investigated the Suazos as far as I was capable, but not with the same relentless passion and diligence that I endeavor in my own lines, so I have not really continued at all.

And the short list I compiled of family names missing from Retoños, I mentioned Hernández Gamiño, Marentes de Otadui y Avendaño, Ornelas, & Sánchez de Mendoza. All these have chapters in Retoños, but I have discovered new documents in the interim and compiled way more information than he has in those chapters, as with a few other families I can't remember right now.

And how in the world do you connect with the family Vital-Ibarra de Anguiano of Arandas/San Miguel el Alto/Ayo el Chico??? The last name VITAL is quite rare in Los Altos, but it's there!!! They were originally from San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato. What are the names of your Vital-Ibarra and Hernández Gamiño people?? I bet I have them in my records.

SFHL

Katy

As an option, you could create a key ....

Film # (start date-end date) images 1-2500 becomes
...Part 1, images 1-500
...Part 2, images 501-1000
...Part 3, images 1001-1500, and so on.

Depending on what was done at the beginning of the film-one or more images with film number or other information-it would not be too difficult to estimate the new image number: for example your original image 501 should become the first image after the leader images of the new Part 1.

In this manner it would not be necessary to redo/repost all your work.

This is not the first time this was done: the Aguascalientes Matrimonial Investigations were reposted, but the original postings were re-grouped according to how they were filmed. This is a bit more convoluted to straighten out: my original index is now difficult to work with. I have been working on this, but not re-posted the results yet.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

It's interesting that you are looking for the same hacienda "El Salto Grande" that I been researching but have not found definitive inforamation on it. I was planning on visiting Occindential last weekend but saw that the book was checked out. I guess you have it.

It's unfortunate that you were not able to find information on it. My cousin who lives in Jalostotitlan, married a lady from Tepatitlan. He told the the Hacienda is located about 5 leguas de Tepatitlan, which is about 20km. He heard the hacienda lies between Tepa and Yahualica. If you do a google map on the area, the road to Yahualica, you will find a Ranch called El Salto. It might be were the hacienda was once located. This summer I plan to rent a car and visit some to the cities my ancestors lived, Ocotlan, Mexticacan, Cuquio, Tepa and of course Jalos.

I'm researching the decendents of Franciscos Gtz de Hermosillo (Rubio) and Juana de Lomelin. This is my father direct paternal line. Not sure if you are researching this same line. If you are, I have a lot detail information on this family that I can share.

Sergio Gutierrez de Hermosillo y Martin del Campo

I had nothing to do with what you are accusing me of doing! Have no idea whatsoever of what that is. So please get your facts straight before contacting people.

Shivis

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That specific page says that in 21/04/1620 Maria Magdalena is reporting a criminal case against Phelipe Mexia son of Ynes de Monrroy, reason because Maria's daughter Maria (same name) was pregnant by Phelipe, a friend of her "a mestiço" called Johan Albares told Phelipe to marry the girl. In retaliation Phelipe went to Maria's house and beat the mother that was saved by people holding him back.

It looks as if she want Phelipe to be incarcerated plus to marry her daughter though.

The following document seems to be similar but definitely not related. They look like just part of a complete "dipensa".

Katy this are amazing but I can't read a single thing! I did see there is a record from Jerez so tried but it's beyond my reading skills. This was the first box starting at A-L
Linda