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It looks to me that they are more a romanticized group than a historical fact, the sources (a least in wikipedia are at best poor).

If "Chinos" then they were of African and Indigenous mix, but if we take in account their supposedly attire, they could easily have descended /influenced by Muslims (the ones called Moros because their African blood) or "Gitanos" in the Andalusia region.

Indeed "Chino" wasn't a Asian term on the colonial casts.

Hola, acabo de ver su pregunta, tengo familia de Olivares que vivieron en San Juan de los Lagos. La mama de mi bisabuelo fue Ursula Olivar, nacida 10/21/1862. Fue hija de Juan de Dios Olivar y Crescencia Padilla. Ellos dos casaron 10/13/1858. Juan de Dios Olivar nacio 3/8/1843, fue hijo de Miguel Olivar y Margarita Munoz. Ellos dos casaron 10/4/1809, no se donde. Todos los otros vivieron en San Juan de los Lagos.

El nombre Olivar y Olivares son lo mismo yo creo. Todos llamaron a la mama de bisabuelo, Ursula Olivares. Pero los otro documents dicen Olivar.

Espero que este informacion le ayude. Puede ver este informacion en mis arboles, en mis "files", no se como decirlo en espanol. Busque mi arbol que tiene el nombre "Concepcion Martin" Soy bien pocho, espero que entiende todo que trato de decir.
Roberto

Roberto Martinez

Sylvia - tengo a Rodrigo Olivares en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
casado con Maria Hurtado de Mendoza en 1588

he encontrado 4 hijas:
Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza (caso con Luis Padilla Davila)
Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza
Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza
Isabel de Olivares (caso con Juan Jimenez)

-Angelina-

unfortunately it is cut off, but by looking at the other side, i'm not sure if these records are death records or not. i think they may actually be either birth or confirmation records due to the sheer number listing of names are parents

Que tal si contactas a la persona que tiene hoy en dia el Ducado de Moctezuma, (previamente Condes si no me equivoco) Me imagino que debe haber bastante información en sus troncos genealogicos para poder conectar otras ramas. También es posible que la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heraldica te pueda dar mas informacion al respecto. Suerte!

Interesting, although born in the Philipines I am sure he was Spanish though. Natives from Asia under the Spanish were christianized rarely mentioned their origins, its said that in Mexico specially in Nueva Galicia there were many Asians that were brought during the colonial times but with Spanish names there was (and still is) no way to tell were they came from. Sometimes I wonder when I see country folks with really heavy mongoloid features if they (their features) belong to the Native American blood (Default) or descended from those brought from South Asia.

I have many Marquez and Villegas in my family Tree Check it out on GEDCOM here at Nuestros Ranchos.

Joseph de Leon

The colonial times were also the Casta times, thus unlike post independence Mexico, the costumes did not differ much from those in Spain, therefore to understand them a little you can always check the culture and customs of the peninsula (also influenced by other cultures like the Muslims) As for the Spanish in Mexico and their families (mix or not) many times the marriages where prearranged, and those families in any given town knew each other very well, thus most of their kids would grow up knowing each other, many were even family, we can see a lot of marriages between relatives.

The Hacienda culture that you refer to, born around the 1850's, this is after the colonial times, with Mexico finally consolidating more or less as the country we know, the social status changed from castas to money and power, the structure of the Hacienda (not the unit measure any more) was taking shape to open it for new villages and towns (their government that is), by these times average folks would be more close to the "hacendados" and would get influenced by them, passing these customs from the rich to the low income class would become latter what we know as "Mexican Culture", Bailes, Bodas, Bautismos, Quince Años (something that I despise by the way), Confirmaciones, etc. I don't mean the actual ritual but the "fiesta" itself. The Haciendas were notorious though in the way they manage their wealth, by the time of the civil war "Revolución" most people from the Haciendas have moved to the big cities leaving behind their style of life now evolved as "Vida Pueblerina", This times are precisely what we considered the "old times", this is what our grandpas and great-grandpas remember, and thus what we tend to have as the "back in the days customs".

All of it is very picturesque though, The book of my town called Amecatl has some letters from one of the local Hacendados describing their style of life, the parties, mettings, horse races, etc.

when my Dad went to Jerez, Zac in 1936 he said when they went to town everyone gathered at the plaza. There would be music, the girls would walk in one direction and the boys would walk in the opposite direction and the Mothers, grandmothers and madrinas would sit on the benches to make sure no hanky panky went on. Dad said if you saw a girl you liked you would try to pass her a note. One girl passed my Dad a piece of candy and his grandmother saw it. She jumped up and took it from Dad. She told him that girl had gotten the candy from a witch and it had a spell on it that would make my Dad come back to Jerez and marry that girl. His grandma would not have it. Dad was 16. Couple who were courting also walked arm in arm but were watched to make sure everything was proper..

I do have Angon in my files on Rootsweb.com. The earliest I have Capitan Joseph Angon Espanol abt 1660 who had a natural child with a Mulata named Theresa de la Torre.
I do have other Angon, my file is called Mexico and you can go to the index to see the Angon who lived in Tepetongo and Jerez Zac
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marriage 15 Oct 1715 in Jerez, Zac
Juan Carrillo Mestiso from district of Jerez
widower of Melchora de los Reies
with Lucia de la Trinidad Angon from district of Jerez
natural child of Joseph Angon Espanol deceased and Theresa de la Torre Mulata libre
source: 440059 film
page 54 Family search online program
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I am also new in the group, my name is Monica Cuellar, I am from Mexico but I live in Texas. I am also working on find more information about my family, I am sure this group will help us a lot.

Hi Jean,

Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos. With the information you share in your other post, I was able to determine that we are distant cousins through the Valenzuela line. Many people in the general Tlaltenango area share ancestors, and we also descend from the Miramontes and other families.

Let me know if you have any questions, and you can always send me a message through the group!

Rosalinda

Go to: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

Username: sigue.publica
Password: publica

Once you log-in, right-click on SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO - ACERVOS COLONIALES SIGLOS XVII A XIX, and select "New Query." (double-click, if you’re on a mac)

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

A quick search on the internet shows a town of that name within Magdalena Jalisco, there is also one in Morelos.