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Hello everyone,

Its been very long time but I am back uncovering my family's past. With the whole pandemic going on I have more time to invest in genealogy. It does sadden me that I don't have my aunt Alicia Avelar Olmos Carrillo by my side since she past away early this year. Not sure if you guys remember her but she was a great contributor to Nuestros Ranchos.I owe her for my interest in our family's history, and I will continue her legacy.

Now, I am writing this update because I have finally brought down my Villalpando brick wall. This happened two days ago and I have spent the last two nights confirming the connection with documentation and so on. If you guys look at my post from years ago (below) you can see I was stuck on Diego Villalpando and Gertrudis Rodriguez. It has been years. And maybe the connection was out there (thanks to George Fulton and others)but I just couldn't find anything so I gave up for a while.

The Villalpando line is very important to me because my mom is a direct Villalpandp descendant through her dad's side, my grandpa. I have tested my grandpa with 23andme to check his y-haplogroup. I have always wanted to confirm my Villalpando male y-haplogroup with documentation and paper trail. And I am finally getting closer. Don't think I have reached Europe (well from what I see online it stops in Leon, GTO). But defo closer to unraveling more info.
This is my line Juan Bautista Villalpando below is my 6th great grandfather.

Original Post
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21787

>Juan Bautista Villalpando christening on 24 Jun 1860 Señor San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes. Juan Bautista married Paula Serna ca. 1880.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13030-10071-23?cc=1502404&…
His parents were Juan Villalpando Hernandez y Maria Germana Esqueda Esparza.

>>Juan Villalpando was born ca. 1830 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. His parents were
Jesus Villalpando y Maria Calistra Hernández. Juan Villalpando married Maria Germana
Esqueda Esparza on 27 de Noviembre 1857 en San Jose, Calvillo,Aguascalientes,Mexico.

>>>Jesus Villalpando was born ca. 1799. Christened on
the 4 Jan 1799 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, México
His parents were Diego Villalpando de Luevana y Gertrudis Rodríguez del Aro.
Jose Jesus Villalpando married con Calistra Hernández Bobadilla daughter of Jose
Guadalupe Hernández Verduzco y Maria Antonia Bobadilla Lopez, ca. 1825.

>>>>Diego Villalpando son of Diego Villalpando y Diaz Pichardo and Juana de
Dios Luevana de Molina. Diego married Gertrudis Rodriguez de Haro daughter of
Juzto Rodriguez and Maria de Aro (I got the names of Diego Villalpando and
Gertrudis Rodriguez' parents from Jose Jesus Villalpando's baptism record.

>>>>> Diego Villalpando Diaz Pichardo son of Juan Antonio Villalpando de
Jaen and Josefa Flores Diaz Pichardo. Diego Villalpando Diaz Pichardo
married Juana de Dios luebana de Molina (daughter of Phelipe de Luevana
y Maria de Molina/Medina/Marin/Rangel) on 29 Dec 1749 in Nuestra Señora
de Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, México

>>>>>> Juan Antonio Villalpando de Jaen son of Thomas de
Villalpando and Maria de Jaen. Juan Antonio married Josefa
Flores Diaz Pichardo (daughter of Juan Diaz Pichardo and
Gertrudis Narbaes) on 24 Feb 1727 in Nuestra Senora de Belen,
Asientos, Aguascalientes.

>>>>>> Thomas de Villalpando son of Thomas de Villalpando
and Maria Velez. Married Maria Sotelo de Jaen (Daughter
Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza and Elena Sotelo) 12 Mar 1690
in Aguascalientes.

Hope all that made sense. Do you guys know if there is any confirmed information on the parents of Thomas de Villalpando and Maria Velez (1). My (maternal) paternal line does go back to Thomas de Villalpando.

Also, does anyone have information on the Juan Diaz Pichardo and Gertrudis Narbaes. I am also stuck on Phelipe de Luevana and Maria de Molina. I descend from them through three children of theirs, including Juana de Dios Luebana (m. Diego Villalpando Diaz Pichardo). There is some info on some sites that take back these Luevanas to the Luevana family that is well documented but can't find the sources to back it up.

Hello Arturo

Cosme Felix De La Villa De Bugarin and Maria de los Reyes it turns out are my 7th Great-grandparents as well as Great-grandparents of many of our fellow members and relatives. As you noted Maria is listed as a native of la villa de Baiona or(Bayona)Galicia,Espana. Has it been determined if Cosme Felix de la villa Bugarin came from the villa of Bugarin as his name seems to indicate? I've seen a map of la provincia de Pontevedra in Galicia where both Baiona and the village of Bugarin are located. They are according to Googlemaps 50km distance from each other.

Gus Meza

Does anyone have any information on Villa Garcia or sources where I can find the history of it?

I have collected tidbits of information about the ancestry of Maria de Haro y Saucedo who was married to Juan de Miramontes in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas sometime in the lat 1500s (likely 1580 to 1590) but have been unable to find definitive documentation of the details of her ancestry.

There are documents that state in vague terms that she was the descendant of Pedro de Bobadilla, original encomendero of Tepechitlan and of Juan Delgado, original encomendero of El Teul. It is also very probable that she is the descendant of Diego de Colio and his daughter Teresa de Colio y de la Torre.

Here is what I have and would appreciate any feedback or augmentation of these facts:

- Her grandson Nicolas de Haro, born in 1617, son of Hernando de Haro and Maria Gonzales de Mendoza, in his declarations of clean blood for the priesthood states that he is the great-grandson "bisnieto" of Pedro de Bobadilla and Maria de Saucedo, which would make Maria de Haro y Saucedo their daughter. However, there appears to be a generation missing here if one figures that Pedro Bobadilla's one documented son Francisco Bobdilla was born in 1542 and Maria de Haro y Saucedo was having children at the turn of the century. Nicolas was most likely their great-great grandson making his grandmother their granddaughter. Francisco Bobadilla died and left the encomiendo to his unnamed sister... possible mother of Maria de Haro y Saucedo???

- A woman, named Ana de Saucedo, who is identified as the aunt of Nicolas' father Hernando de Haro (and therefore Maria de Haro y Saucedo's sister) states that she was the granddaughter of Martin Gonzales, from whom she inherited lands that her grandfather had received through a "merced". This would make Maria de Haro y Saucedo Martin Gonzalez's grandaughter as well.

- In a document dated 1627 in Zacatecas (which I have been unable to find a definitive reference for) Luis Felix Delgado gives testimony of the land he and his brothers Gaspar Gonzalez and Pedro Albertis inherited from his father Martin Gonzalez. This would make Maria de Haro y Saucedo the daughter of one of these men or their niece.

- Jaime Holcombe lays out the following descendancy from Juan Delgado:
- Luis Delgado
- Beatriz Delgado m. Martin Gonzalez
- Magdalena Delgado m. Alejos Gonzalez
This would make Beatriz Delgado the sister of Luis Felix Delgado, Gaspar Gonzalez and Pedro Albertis and possibly the mother or aunt of Maria de Haro y Saucedo.

- John Schmal has pointed out that in a book by Jose Ignacio Davila Gabiri, the following descendancy of Don Diego Colio and his connection to the Haros:
- Captain Don Diego de Colio m. Doña Catalina de la Torre and they had the
- Doña Teresa de Colio y de la Torre b. 1566 or 1567 m. Captain Hernando de Haro
(Hernando de Haro was founder and one of the first settlers of of Compostela)
- Don Hernando de Haro y Colio b. 1591, d. 1660 in Zacatecas
- Don Rodrigo de Haro y Colio b. 1607 m. Doña Antonia Maldonado
- Don Sebastian de Haro y Colio b. 1610 m. Doña Juana de Tovar y Villalba
- Two other unnamed children
The likely culprit here would be Hernando de Haro, for whom Maria de Haro y Saucedo's son was named, but he may have been named for an uncle.

I tried to return information to I believe his name was Hernandez spam57@me.com about Romana Batres but it wouldn't go through. How can I eMail it to him?
Margarita Ruiz Alonzo De Fox

http://familyhistory.byu.edu/nl-2006.asp

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/News/frameset_news.asp?PAGE=Press/…

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Also the below articles were from the latest Somos Primos newletter and
submitted by Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen and John Schmall

DEFUNCIONES DE TEPETONGO, ZACATECAS.

1832 - 1838

Por Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen

BARRAZA Ma. Rosa, adulta, de 60 años de edad, casada con José Manuel
González. Murió del cólera. Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada
con licencia por el señor Cura propio Presbítero don Isidro García
González el 4 de agosto de 1833 en el cementerio de la hacienda de El
Cuidado, con entierro humilde, fabrica de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 14. Año 1832-1839.

BERUMEN Ma. Antonia Isabel, adulta, de 55 años de edad, Murió en el
Arroyo Seco de Abajo de hidropesía. Dejando viudo a Teodoro Olivo.
Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada el 18 de mayo de 1837 por el
Bachiller don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el camposanto de Tepetongo, con
entierro mayor y fabrica de diez pesos.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 101. 101 vuelta. Año 1832-1839.

BERUMEN Ma. Josefa, adulta, de 80 años de edad, viuda en primeras
nupcias de Tomás Rodríguez. Murió de dolor de costado en La Estancia.
Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada el 25 de agosto de 1836 por el
Señor Cura propio Presbítero don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el
camposanto de Los Sauces con entierro humilde en fabrica de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 86. Año 1832-1839.

BERUMEN Ma. Paula, adulta, de 86 años de edad, viuda de José Rafael de
Escobedo. Murió en Arroyo Seco de males habituales. Recibió los santos
sacramentos de penitencia y extremaunción. Sepultada el 21 de julio de
1836 por el señor Cura propio Presbítero don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en
el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo, con entierro humilde en fabrica
de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 82. Año 1832-1839.

CABRAL Gregoria, adulta, murió de un dolor, dejando viudo a Andrés
Menchaca. Sepultada el 27 de agosto de 1837 por el Bachiller Domingo
Álvarez Tostado en el camposanto de Tepetongo con entierro humilde y
fabrica de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 107 vuelta. Año: 1832-1839.

CARLOS Ma. Vicenta, adulta de 35 años de edad, casada con Juan
Nepomuceno González. Murió de Evacuaciones. Recibió los santos
sacramentos. Sepultada por el Presbítero don Isidro García González en
el camposanto de Los Sauces con entierro humilde fabrica de 20 reales el
11 de diciembre de 1834.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 56 vuelta. Año 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO Anastasio, adulto, soltero, de 15 años de edad, hijo legítimo
de Ciriaco Escobedo y de Trinidad Fuentes. Murió en el Salitral de dolor
de Costado. Se confesó y recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultado el 20
de octubre de 1837por el Bachiller Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el
camposanto de Tepetongo con entierro humilde en fabrica de veinte reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 112. Año: 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO doña Ma. Ana, adulta de 31 años de edad. Murió de hidropesía de
pecho en el pueblo de Tepetongo. Dejó viudo a don Lugardo Escobedo.
Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada por el Presbítero don Isidro
García González en el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo el 27 de
octubre de 1833 con entierro menor fabrica de 25 pesos.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 40. Año 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO FERNANDEZ doña Ma. de San Pablo, doncella, de 60 años de edad,
murió en La Troje de hidropesía. Sepultada el 22 de abril de 1837 por el
Bachiller don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el camposanto de Tepetongo con
entierro mayor en fabrica de10 pesos.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 100 vuelta. Año 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO Juan José, adulto de 43 años de edad, casado que fue con Ma.
Paulina Correa. Murió en Víboras repentinamente de una caída de una
bestia, sin haber recibido sacramentos. Sepultado por el Presbítero don
Isidro García González con entierro de limosna en el camposanto del
pueblo de Tepetongo el 21 de mayo de 1835.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 61. Año 1832.

ESCOBEDO Ma. Matiana DE, adulta de 19 años de edad. Murió de parto en el
salitral. Se confesó. Dejó viudo a Faustino Miranda. Sepultada por el
Presbítero don Isidro García González con entierro humilde, fabrica de
20 reales en el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo el 11 de noviembre de
1833.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 41. Año 1832.

ESCOBEDO ROSALES Ma. del Refugio, adulta, doncella, de 15 años de edad,
hija legítima de Manuel Escobedo y de María Apolonia Rosales. Murió de
fiebre. Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada por el presbítero don
Isidro García González en el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo, con
entierro humilde, fabrica de 20 reales el 2 de febrero de 1836

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 72 vuelta. Año 1832.

FELIX GODINA José Refugio, adulto de 20años de edad, murió en La
Estancia del Cólera. Recibió los santos sacramentos, hijo legítimo de
Rafael Félix y de Ma. Gertrudis Godina. Sepultado por el señor Cura
propio don Isidro García González con entierro humilde en el camposanto
de Tepetongo el 28 de septiembre de 1833. .

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 37 vuelta. Año 1832.

Lyman Platt wrote a great book that includes great information on the Padrones de Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes. You can find the pages to that book on the nuestrosranchos.org website.

Log in to the website and then go to the top of the page and you’ll see “FILES”: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filespage

Then go to “Books and Articles”: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15163

Then go to “Census Records for Latin America by Lyman Platt”: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15262

On the Acronyms and Bibliography page you’ll find the location of the Census records. But for our purpose we’ll concentrate on those available online via the FamilySearch.org website

As an example lets look at the Jalisco Padrones at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/system/files/private/active/5/Jalisco.pdf specifically Colotlan for the year 1817

On this line you find this info: Colotlan Jalisco Mexico 1817 168809 that number at the end is the film number on which you can view the Padron

Copy that number and then go to https://www.familysearch.org/en/ (if you haven’t already sign up for a free account) and after logging in go to “Search” and down to “Catalog”: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog

Click on “Film/Fiche Number” and insert 168809 and click on “Search” which takes you to: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/32677?availability=Family%2…

Here you’ll see a page for very many Census records for Jalisco: Padrones, 1639-1875

If you scroll down the page a bit to the item on the 7th line you’ll find the Padron for film 168809 and to the right of it you’ll see the “camera” icon which means the film is available online.

If you click on the “camera” icon (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-QN4Q?mode=g&cat=3…) then your work begins because this film does not just include Colotlan but many Ranchos around the Guadalajara Diocesis.

So now to duplicate the above for Aguascalientes and Zacatecas you would click on the link for Aguas and Zacatecas: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/system/files/private/active/4/Aguascalie…

And you’ll notice that the film 168809 that we chose just as an example above also has Census/Padron records for both states so lets chose a different one for this example, Let’s say Jalpa, ZAC: 168839

Put it into the Catalog search for a film and it takes you to back to: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/32677?availability=Family%2… and here you will see you can find most of films listed for all three states. But for practice try a film that is not listed here for Pánuco, Zacatecas.

Joseph

Ps: here are some entries in the “Files” area of the nuestrosranchos.org site that members have listed for various Padrones ---

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18950
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19051
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15101
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21959
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23412
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22941
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17340
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/tlaxcalan_census_1591
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13650

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-539C-9K?i=29&wc=3JXJ-1…

on the right page is the death record of my 4th G grandfather Pedro de la Torre and his parents are Simon de la Torre and Maria Ynes Flores de Lisar (well it looks like Lisar). I haven't heard of that name is it Lisar or another name? I was comparing the the last letter to the "R" in Nesesarios a few lines down and it kind of looks similar. what do you think?

Joseph

Hi all,

I was wondering if someone had information on the origin of Alonso Garcia de Cuevas who also used the name Garcia de Miranda? And was also wondering if he might be related to the de la Cueva family. He would've been born around 1590 and was married to Antonia de Nava. They are the parents of Antonia de Nava/de Cuevas who married Bartolome Garcia de Leon in 1648 in Aguascalientes. Any information would be great.

Paige

Hello Primos and Primas,

As part of my Valladolid Dispensas work, I ran across this matrimonial dispensation from Tinguindin, Michoacan:

Juan Manuel de Villasenor y Juana de Balbuena (Tinguindin - 1717)

In it, we find that Juan Manuel de Villasenor (vecino de Tlazazalca) was the son of Pedro de Villasenor and Maria de Jaso. Juana de Balbuena (vecina de Tinguindin) was the daughter of Fernando de Balbuena and Leonor de Santa Cruz y Villasenor.

Interestingly, the witnesses call out that there are two parentescos between the novios. The first one is the one I need help understanding and connecting the dots on:

Tronco del primer parentesco: Luis de Lomelin

1. Francisco de Lomelin // Juan de Lomelin
2. Maria de Lomelin // Maria de Lomelin
3. Pedro de Villasenor // Fernando de Balbuena
4. Juan Manuel de Villasenor // Juana de Balbuena

I looked around and couldn't seem to find any traces of a Luis de Lomelin son named Francisco nor that of a son named Juan... What I find interesting is that the third witness refers to the Maria de Lomelins (daughters of Francisco and Juan) as Cuebas and NOT Lomelin like the first two witnesses... That got me thinking... Is it possible that the first two witnesses were not old enough to remember/know that the Marias de Lomelins were NOT daughters of two Lomelin brothers but that they were daughters of two Cuebas brothers? Before I go there, I'd like to like to hear from the group if there were any known Lomelin brothers named Francisco and Juan Lomelin, sons of Luis Lomelin.

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hola Buenos días!

Estoy buscando mayor información sobre Juan Francisco de la Torre casado con Josefa de Páez cuyo hijo fue Manuel Francisco de la Torre n.1716 en Guanajuato y casado con Anna María García de Zárate o García Blásquez/Blásquez (también García Gutierrez y Escalante) y a su vez tuvieron una hija llamada Juana josepha de la Torre Gutierrez n. 1734 Guanajuato o San Luis Potosí no tengo muy clara esa información ya que en algunos documentos aparece Guanajuato y en otros San Luis Potosí.

Alguien tendrá entre sus antepasados a esta familia?

Encontré un Blog que enlista dispensas matrimoniales y encontré una que menciona a Juan Francisco de la Torre y Josefa de Páez pero sólo la enlista no viene mayor información. Fue ente este blog https://www.valladoliddispensas.com/p/1693-fhl-source-film-766503.html?… Catholic Diocese archives of Valldolid (now Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico) 1693 FHL Source Film 766503

Alguno de ustedes sabe a qué genealogia pertenece esta familia? Algunos de ustedes la tienen también como antepasados?
Agradezco de antemano cualquier información al respecto.

Ana GP

Hello,

I have been trying for a while to get more information on Bartolo de Aguirre (d. Sep. 2, 1724). He was married to Micaela [Orosco Mendosa Peres]. Many ancestry trees and FamilySearch trees have his birth in Spain in 1669, however I am not convinced.

A while back someone here on the forum suggested that he believed that this Aguirre line came from Guanajuato. I was wondering if that individual, I don't remember who, could kindly share his theory.

I have also found this marriage record of an Aguirre in Ayotlan in 1688.

https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/image-details?page=1&place=…

Bartolo's first child for whom I have found a baptismal record is Juana who was born in 1889. I am hoping to see if perhaps with the information from the above record, I can further research and establish some form familial relationship.

If possible would anyone be able to help decipher the entry? It is on the right page and has no heading. I cannot make out the groom's name nor his father's. His mother is Francisca Nunez. The bride I believe is Juana de Ovia, daughter of Joseph (?) and Angela de Ovia. Her family is from Guadalajara. Any other help would be appreciated as the handwriting is atrocious.

Thanks!

Hello everyone,

I have two ancestors in my tree with the same name and trying to determine if it’s the same person. Also, I have not come across their baptism records and any help to identify which Renteria lineage they belong to would be appreciated.

1. Lorenzo Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1690 Mezquitic, Jalisco- DEATH BEF. 11/07/1740) married Juana de los Reyes (BIRTH ABT. 1690 Mezquitic, Jalisco -DEATH BEF. 11/07/1740)

Children:

>>Maria Guadalupe Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1710 Mezquitic, Jalisco DEATH 03/20/1747 ) married Diego Bañuelos

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-XW?i=1109&wc=MC78…

>>Maria Theresa de Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1720 Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas) married Antonio Talavera

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5NSX-TT?i=134&wc=SS56-…

>>Florencio Gerardo Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1723 Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas) married Justa de la Rosa Bañuelos

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5J9Q-QP?i=140&wc=SS56-…

>>Petrona Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1726 Mezquitic, Jalisco) married Estevan Bañuelos

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-HL?i=1143&wc=MC78… 2.
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2. Lorenzo Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1710) married Cacilda Bañuelos (BIRTH ABT. 1714 Rio de Atoloaque, Jalisco) daughter of Diego Bañulos (same Diego Bañuelos who also married Maria Guadalupe Renteria from above) and Anna Gamboa.

The marriage record states Lorenzo Renteria is “viudo” from Josepha de Roxas.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5NSX-R4?i=106&wc=3JX5-…
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I also came across Pedro Lorenzo de Renteria (BIRTH 05/10/1713 Nochistlán) parents Pedro de Renteria and Josefa Carrillo. Is there a connection to this family from Nochistlan?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1Z7T-4?i=489&cc=1804458

Any additional info would be appreciated.

Thanks
Ruben R

There is a digital copy available of one of the best genealogy reference sources available to us. It reviews innumerable marriage dispensations in the 17th and 18th centuries (Guadalajara). The index of surnames begins on page 591.

I tried to put the .PDF file into the Resource Materials but the attachment was not accepted. So, instead go to http://mexicangenealogy.info/discover-yor-mexican-ancestors-with-the-bo…, where you can download the entire book. The download area is 1/2 way down the page and is highlighted by Download Sagrada Mitra in PDF Format. I also give you the actual download link, Click here: https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1217782. Alternatively, cut and paste this last link, then download.

Enjoy.

Ed

Looking for my grandfather born in Tlalcosahua, Jalisco, Mexico in 1894 +- 2 years. When I try to access film around the year he would of been born a IGI is not available in any of the subject towns. How can I access these records. I have found many of his family in Tlalcosahua, records thru Family Search but I'm not finding him Bernardo Lopez Huizar. His father's Last name (Lopez) his mother's last name (Huizar)Any in-put from any one would be helpful.

Hola prim@s,

This is the denuncia contra Juan Garcia de Santa Ana, vecino de Aguascalientes, por sospechoso de Judio. It’s dated 15 Nov 1604. The official in charge was Simon de Vargas Machuca, Teniente de Alguacil Mayor de la Villa de Aguascalientes.

Juan Garcia de Santa Ana was born in Sevilla, son of Juan Garcia de la Oliba and Luisa de los Angeles, and married to Francisca de Castro, daughter of Pedro de Castro & Juana Jimenez. He had been living in Aguascalientes some 8 years (1596) and previously, 4 years in Teocaltiche (1592-1596), where he had been punished for blasphemy, by Padre Cristobal Macias. According to this denuncia, in addition to the accusations, which I won’t get into, Garcia was related to known “New Christians” (a merchant named “Baeza,” is mentioned), and his grandmother was burned at the stake.

This is just a denuncia, and doesn’t include the trial nor outcome, but in case you are curious, Juan Garcia de Santa Ana remitted his testamento on 11 Aug 1607, so he survived this ordeal. What’s notable in this denuncia, are the witnesses: statements are given by Juan Lopez de Lizaldi (img190) Juan Navarro (img191), Pero Fernandes de Valdus el Moso (img193) and Martin Navarro el Biejo (img196). Unfortunately, their ages nor signatures are given. Other witnesses present or mentioned were: Francisco Banegas, Geronimo Lopez, Gaspar de Vargas, Martin Navarro el Moso (grandson of el Viejo), Lope Ruis de Esparça, Pero Ruis de Esparça, Xpoval Loçano. Pedro Gonzalez y su muger Maria de Frias.

Wow. Right? Unfortunately, there is no other genealogical information about any of these people, other than that given, but at least we can place them in Aguascalientes by 1604, and some of them in Teocaltiche, previous to that. Here are some things that I did pick out:

Pedro Fernandez de Valdus (Vaulus) was married to Maria de Gabai, and had known Garcia for some 10 years, placing Fernandez in the Teocaltiche area since 1594. I have more on him, which I will post in another thread. What caught my attention, was that he is called “el Moso,” implying that there was a “Viejo,” who was still alive and also lived in the area, or else there would be no need to identify him as “the younger,” right? How much do you wanna bet that the Elder was the same Pedro Hernandez who arrived with Viceroy Gaston de Peralta in 1566, whose mother was Juana de Siordia? That would give us the source of the Siordia surname, used by Fernandez de Vaulus’ descendants in Los Altos, and the timeline would hold: el Moso would’ve been born in Mexico in the 1570s, which is why he never holds any public office, like alcalde ordinario, alguacil mayor or juez, which were all reserved for peninsulares during that era. I’ll write more about him in another thread.

Lope Ruiz de Esparza was his brother-in-law, married to Ana de Gabai; why can’t I help but think, that the witness called Martin Navarro el Biejo, is their suegro, and husband of Petronila de Moctezuma? He gives his testimony, “estante en la Estancia de Chapultepeque, jurisdiccion de Aguascalientes” - could this have been their estancia? Named for the bosque in DF???!! How cool would that be!!! If he is Martin de Gabai, then Martin Navarro el Moso, who is listed as his grandson, is probably son of Cristobal Navarro. I wonder if and how witness Juan Navarro is related to them? He had known Garcia for about 20 years, so he’s early Teocaltiche. Or am I completely off-track? Anybody?

I’ve been accumulating a lot of information on early settlers in Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, and in Villa de Lagos, which I’ll be posting here, as soon as I compile my notes. Happy 2019, primas y primos mios! And have a great year, connecting us to our ancestors, and learning and sharing their names and their stories!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola, buenas dias a todos!
Quisiera primero presentarme con ustedes, Soy Ana Gaitan, nueva en este foro que es de gran interés para mi y ojalá podamos colaborar juntos pudiendo intercambiar información sobre antepasados en común. No soy genealogista ni mucho menos y recién acabo de ingresar en el campo simplemente por gusto, para conocer un poco más de mis raíces.
Al empezar a hacer mi árbol vi que había muchas familias que pertenecían a esta zona y me gustaría saber más de ellas a través de ustedes. Quisiera saber si alguien también tiene en común a estos antepasados. Empezaré con Joseph Lazo De la Vega casado con Francisca Brambila y Arriaga de la Cd. de Zamora. Los padres de Francisca fueron Alejandro Brambila y Arriaga y Catalina de Ochoa Garibay, hija a su vez de Miguel de Ochoa y Garibay y de Francisca Ramírez, fundadores de Zamora. Pero lamentablemente no he podido encontrar nada de información sobre José/ Joseph Lazo de la Vega, salvo que fue Capitán, natural de Sevilla y tres veces alcalde ordinario de Zamora. Alguien más que tuviera información sobre él, nombre de sus padres u otros familiares.
También he visto varios posts de Rick A. Ricci, miembro de este foro, y que ha escrito posts sobre varios antepasados en común y que a su vez ha escrito un libro “Mygenes2000”, sobre esa genealogía. Rick si lees mi post me interesa mucho tu libro, como lo podría conseguir? Ahí seguro habrá mucha información de mis antepasados también.
Cierro mi post con muchas mas dudas y preguntas sobre mis antepasados pero creo que por el momento es suficiente.

Agradezco de antemano quien me pudiera proporcionar más información sobre esa persona.

Saludos y nuevamente gracias,

Ana GP

Hello everyone!

First I want introduce myself, I’m Ana Gaitan, new in this interesting group and I hope we can work together and change information about ancestors in common. I am not genealogist and I am just starting in this, I am doing it for my own pleasure, to know more about my roots.
When I started doing my research, I saw a lot of families that belonged to this area and I love to know more about them through you. I want to know if someone have in common too these ancestors.
I will start with Joseph Lazo De la Vega married with Francisca Brambila y Arriaga from the city of Zamora. Francisca’s parents were Alejandro Brambila y Arriaga and Catalina de Ochoa Garibay, and she is daughter of Miguel de Ochoa y Garibay and Francisca Ramírez, founders of Zamora. But unfortunately I couldn’t find any information about José/ Joseph Lazo de la Vega, unless he was a Captain, native to Seville and three times ordinary mayor of Zamora. Someone else have more information about him, names of his parents or another family?
Also I saw a lot of interesting posts of a Member of this group, Rick A. Ricci, who wrotes about a lot of ancestors in common with me and that also wrote a book “Mygenes2000”, Rick if you see my post I am interested to get your book, how I could get it? Sure there I can find a lot of information about my ancestors.
Of course I have more questions about any others ancestors and I need more information, but for the moment I Think is enough to start!!!
I wonder if anyone else has researched about this person I will appreciate the information that can provide me.
Thank you very much in advance.
Saludos y de nuevo Gracias,

Ana GP

I noticed that for Cañadas de Obregón, Jalisco there are civil records but I can't seem to find Church Records listed for this location. If a birth was recorded in the civil record for Cañadas de Obregón, Jalisco where do you think they took their children to be baptized and recorded? The range of dates is 1870's

thanks for your help with this,

Joseph

Is the Lorenzo Mejia (1) who married Mariana de Benavides and Josefa de Paez the same as the Lorenzo Mejia (2) who married Ines de Estrada?

Could it be Lorenzo Mejia married Mariana de Benavides (AKA de Aguayo) and had Matias and Juana Mejia, then married Ines de Estrada, then married Josefa de Paez?

Both Lorenzo Mejias had a Juana Mejia born before 1641. Both Lorenzo Mejias had a Jeronimo Mejia. Lorenzo Mejia (1) died sometime after 17 Oct 1677 and Lorenzo Mejia (2) died on 10 Aug 1683.

The Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales lists Lorenzo Mejia (1) as possible son of Lorenzo Mejia (2), but lists some discrepancies.

03 Mar 1635 Confirmations:
a) Juana Mejia daughter of Lorenzo Mejia and Mariana de Aguayo (possibly AKA de Benavides).

27 Aug 1638:
a) Lorenzo Mejia (2) marries Ines de Estrada.

20 Sep 1649 Padrones:
a) Two Lorenzo Mejias are listed. One is viudo and one is child (<5 year old).
b) Oldest son Matias Mejia is married so likely born < 1633.
c) Second oldest is Juana cc (likely born <1641).
d). Other children listed are with Ines de Estrada, so likely Lorenzo Mejia (2).
This is Lorenzo Mejia (2) since children with Ines de Estrada are listed together. and not son of Ines de Estrada but of Mariana.

12 Oct 1660:
a) Lorenzo Mejia (1), viudo of Mariana de Benavides, marries Josefa de Paez.

1664 Padrones:
a) Only one Lorenzo Mejia is listed. Viudo.

1667 Confirmations:
a) Jeronimo hijo de Lorenzo Mejia (1) y Josefa de Paez difunta

Oct 17 1677:
a. Antonio Mejia marriage. I read it as "Lorenco Mixia y de Josepha de Paez difunta esp^les", whereas reads it as "Lorenco Mexia y Josefa de Paez, difuntos;"

10 Aug 1683:
a) Burial record of Lorenzo Mejia (2) vuido. Lists Domingo Mejia and Antonio Gomez Borrallo.

17xx other dispensas in future:
a) Jeronimo Mejia listed as brother of children of Lorenzo Mejia (2) and Ines de Estrada

México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-653M-12?cc=1874591&wc=3J47… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1761-1762 > image 703 of 1313; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

México, Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara, registros matrimoniales, 1539-1939," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9NB-H728?cc=1937239&wc=M2… : 20 May 2014), Dispensas matrimoniales 1737-1911 Caja 17 N > image 108 of 1136; Archivo Histórico de la Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara, Jalisco (Guadalajara Archdiocese Archives, Jalisco).

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know where can we find San Luis Potosi's dispensas ? I am looking for a 1878's dispensa. I know that the Guadalajara's dispensas are online but I can't find the ones for San Luis Potosi.

Thanks !

This is the limpieza of Petronila de Haro, daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Haro cc Leonor Arias.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W771-P?i=381&cat=…

Her husband, Gonzalo de Morillo, had been named familiar de la Inquisicion in Compestela, and limpiezas were required for both of them. His limpieza begins here.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W784-K?cat=31792

The paternal grandparents of Petronila de Haro were Pedro de Haro cc Francisca Muñoz, and her maternal grandparents were Miguel Arias and Francisca de Torres, of Medellin, Reinos de Castilla. Her mother's brother was Juan Arias.

I don’t descend from this family, but I saw the name, Pedro Ruiz de Haro, and on a whim, I began reading it. And a good thing: the first witness for Petronila de Haro is my g10 Cristobal Ordoñez, son of conquistador Diego de San Martin cc Elvira Ordoñez, and brother of conquistador Juan Michel.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W7W7-8?cat=31792

Ordoñez gave his testimony on 19 Jan 1600, at his home in Guadalajara. He states that he had known Petronila for more than 48 years, and that he met her in Compostela, at the home of her parents, who were his “deudos y amigos” (!!!!!). He says that he first met Pedro Ruiz de Haro, secretario de la Audiencia Real de Guadalajara, some 69 years before (1531), when Cristobal was 7 years-old. This places his birth around 1524, making him 76 at the time of the inquest (he gives his age as “mas de 74 años poco mas o menos”).

He later states: “dixo ser pariente de Pº Ruiz de Haro de parte de su madre y de su padre segun se lo dijo su madre deste, siendo pequeño Por que su padre del dho Pº Ruiz de Haro q fue Secretario del Duque de Alburquerque y su abuela deste de parte de su padre q se llamava Ysabel de Haro hermana // parientes muy cercanos pero que eso no le ympide a decir la verdad..."

The page folds at that point in the sentence, and there might be a word or 2 missing, but it appears to say that his paternal grandmother, Ysabel de Haro, was sister of Pedro de Haro cc Francisca Muñoz, implying that conquistadores Pedro Ruiz de Haro and Diego de San Martin were 1st-cousins. Either way, we now know the name of Diego de San Martin's mother, and we know she is related to Pedro de Haro.

Question: it is known that Pedro Ruiz de Haro was from Peñaranda en Reinos de Castilla: which Peñaranda? De Duero, in Burgos? Or de Bracamonte, near Salamanca?

ANA MICHEL

Another testigo is Ana Michel, wife of Pedro de Enciso, and daughter of Juan Michel cc Catalina Mena. I had read that they had no known offspring, but this appears to disprove that. Ana Michel was born around 1550.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W7ZB-2?cat=31792

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi!

I have a question that's haunting me a little. My great grandmother, Francisca Ríos, appears to be a widow at the moment of marrying my great grandfather: born in 1899, she marries Bartolomé Quezada in 1918, and the registry appears both in civil registration and church records, and it shows even in her baptism record.

However, in 1926 she marries José María Quezada, my great grandfather, saying that she's 22 years old. Her name, her parents' names and even her grandparents' names are exactly the same, but both the civil registry and the church records say she's "célibe", not a widow or anything of the sort. The church record doesn't mention any need for a dispensa, or acknlowledges in any way that previous marriage.

¿Does anyone have an idea of why this could happen? Two registries seem too much to be an honest mistake.

Hello fellow genealogists. Here is an email from a non-profit in my city. If anyone is interested please contact me. We could set up so that we can help with as many or as little projects as you deem reasonable. Just let me know.

"I have started a non-profit with my friend Tara MacDonald called Olive Branch Connections. Our mission is to provide free genealogical research for people who would greatly benefit from hearing their family's story. Right now, we are working with St. John's Program for Real Change, which is a homeless shelter and program for women and children in Sacramento. We have the women fill out pedigrees as far as they know, and we research their family history for them, providing them with a binder of the pedigree, documents, and other stories we discovered.

We have volunteer researchers helping us with the trees. Some of the women have Mexican ancestry, and right now none of our researchers specialize in Mexican research.

Do you know someone who would be willing to help us research for the women with Mexican ancestry?"

Graias,
Marty Puentes

There are quite a few new people that have joined the list in recent months. I would like to find a group of volunteers to sign up to offer your methods of doing research. I was thinking that every other week someone could be the educator in cue. If I can find volunteers here are the weeks available just email me (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org) and tell me which week you'd like to take. Also with a just a sentence please let me know of your topic.

November 7: Joseph (finding census record)

November 21: Available

December 12: Available

December 26: Available

January 9: Available

January 23: Available

February 6: Available

February 20: Available

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Hay bastantes personas nuevas que se han unido a la lista en los meses recientes. Me gustaría encontrar un grupo de voluntarios para inscribirse y ofrecer sus métodos de investigación. Estaba pensando que cada dos semanas alguien podría ser el educadora/educador. Si puedo encontrar voluntarios aquí están las semanas disponibles, simplemente envíeme un correo electrónico (joseph@nuestrosranchos.org) y dígame qué semana le gustaría tomar. También con solo una oración, hágamelo saber de su tema.

Noviembre 7: Joseph (padrones: hallandolos)

Noviembre 21: Disponible

Deciembre 12: Disponible

Deciembre 26: Disponible

Enero 9: Disponible

Enero 23: Disponible

Febrero 6: Disponible

Febrero 20: Disponible

I've noticed that there are a few of you still posting to the automatic delivery of messages. I've got the system set up so they don't go through.

If you want to read the messages you need to log in and read the messages from the website.

If you want to reply to a message you need to log in and reply to the message from the website.

If you want to post a new message you need to log in and post the new message from the website.

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He notado que algunos de ustedes todavía publican mensajes en la entrega automática de mensajes. Tengo el sistema configurado para que no pasen.

Si desea leer los mensajes, debe iniciar sesión y leer los mensajes del sitio web.

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Gracias,

Joseph