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Introduction - Carlos Tapia González

Hi,

My name is Carlos Tapia González, I 'm a new member. I'm happy I found this website while researching about my ancestors. I'm happy to be a part of this community. I'm currently living in Switzerland and doing research online about my mother's family.

I'm interested in the following families : Martin, Barba, Aceves, González, Gutierrez, Jimenez, Navarro, Magaña
The places I'm interested are mostly in Altos de Jalisco and Aguascalientes.

I saw a lot of content in english, so this is why I'm writing in English, but I speak perfect spanish.

This is the link to my folder :
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Caltago

I look forward to having interesting conversations with you and discovering new information.

Carlos Tapia

Diego Vallin, husband of Francisca Ruis de Esparza

I have located the will of Diego Vallin, husband of Francisca Ruis de Esparza, dated October 1679.

This will is in the Archives of Aguascalientes at http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/AXWeb/Main.aspx?DataSource=APPXTENDER (use search parameter *Vallin to find it).

It is somewhat difficult for me to read, but I think it has the following information:

Diego was the son of Geronmio Vallin and Dona Francisca de Carara (I'm not sure about her last name), and married (1) Dona Mariana de Sandia, daughter of Juan Marin de Penalosa and Dona Maria de Sandi. They had two children

(1) Dona Francisca de Herrera who married Andres de Sandoval
(2) Bartholome Vallin, apparently unmarried and of age 21 or 22

Diego married (2) Francisca de Esparza daughter of Salvador de Esparza and Maria de Vielma. They have two children under the age of 14

(1) Nicolas
(2) Antonia

I can find no reference to children of Francisca de Esparza by her first husband.

Armando and Jaime: perhaps you can get more information from it.

George Fulton

Question about description of burial in Mexico

I have a direct ancestor who died in Aguascalientes in 1788. Her burial record says that she received "sepultura ecclca. [ecclesiastica] con cruz basa en fabrica de dos pesos." I'm not sure if it's "basa" or "baja." In either case, I have no idea what this means. Could someone please shed some light on this? Thank you.

You can see the record here: "México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-63V3-TPN?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 30 September 2020), Rincón de Romos > San José de Gracia > Defunciones 1783-1790, 1798-1844 > image 31 of 444; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Rick Fernández

Translation Needed

I would like for someone who understands Spanish better than I do to look at a document and tell me what it is about. It is regarding my ancestor Antonio Días de Lomas and a man named Juan de Herrera. I don’t need an actual translation, but I would like to know what the charges were and what the outcome was. Here is the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D19S-CY4?i=148&wc=M6QF…

The document is on images 149-152 on the Información Matrimonial for 1698-1702, Aguascalientes, Asunción de María, film #299562. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Beverly Ewald

Garcia de Monroy y Pizarro

Hello Cousins, I realize this is an old post but I wanted to find out if anyone has additional information about a specific family in Tequila mentioned here on page 5 of this post: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20132?page=4

“Catalina de Monroy Pizarro fue hija de García de Monroy Pizarro y de Luisa de León Castro y Ulloa, vecinos de Tequila, sus fundadores y dueños de las principales haciendas de agave azul en el siglo XVII

García de Monroy Pizarro fue hijo de Francisco de Monroy Pizarro y de Aldonza de Castro (Almesto y Suárez de Figueroa).”

I am trying to determine where the multiple Garcia de Monroy y Pizarro fit in, specifically my 9th GGF, Garcia de Monroy y Pizarro married to Mariana Melendez de León.

The first, (1)Garcia de Monroy Pizarro (abt 1600- bef Oct 1654)) married to Luisa de León Castro y Ulloa is mentioned in this post but records only go back to 1649. The records of their children’s baptisms I do have and believe Luisa de León Castro y Ulloa was the first spouse.

The second, (2)Garcia de Monroy Pizarro (abt 1600- bef Oct 1654) married Maria de la Cueva Mendoza. I believe this is the same person as previously mentioned with a second spouse. I found records that mention him being deceased “ya difunto” by Oct. 1654 in his daughter’s wedding, Maria de la Cueva Monroy (abt 1637-bef 1663) with Joseph Lopez de Salazar (m.05/22/1655 in Tequila, Jal).

The third, (1.a)(Alférez or Ensign) García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt.1630- aft. 1660) married to Catalina Gomez de Bribiesca. He is mentioned in several records as godparent along with his wife after 1654, long after the other Garcia de Monroy Pizarro was deceased. Some records include his title, “Alférez” so he is the correct person. There is also a record that states "su hermano de la madre de el niño" where he is padrino for child of Catalina de Monroy y Pizarro.

The fourth, (3.)García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1650-bef. 1713) married to Mariana Melendez de León (m. 03/19/1669 Guadalajara). This is my 9th GGF and I am trying to see who the parents were. His children were also born in Tequila, Jal but a bit later during the early 1680s.

Last, there is (4.)Francisco de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1630-) married to Francisca Gomez Bribiesca de Meza. I am not sure where he fits into all this as I am not done with the records of this film.

(Patriarch) Francisco de Monroy Pizarro and Aldonza de Castro (Almesto y Suárez de Figueroa)

1. García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1600-bef Oct 1654) and Luisa de León Castro y Ulloa (abt 1600-bef 1655)
a. (Alférez Real or Royal Ensign) García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt. 1620- aft. 1660) and Catalina Gomez de Bribiesca
i. Luisa Monroy (abt 1645–) and Antonio Diaz Maldonado (abt 1645–) (m.1655-)
Luisa Maldonado (abt. 1690-)
b. Catalina de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1630-) and Gregorio Gomez de Bribiesca (abt 1630-)
i. Maria Gomez (03/06/1650-? Tequila,Jal)
ii. Juana Gomez (03/24/1652-? Tequila,Jal)
iii. Luisa Gomez (02/01/1654-? Tequila,Jal)
iv. Maria Gomez (04/11/1656-? Tequila,Jal)
v. Gregorio Gomez (1658-? Tequila,Jal)
vi. Catalina Gomez (11/20/1660-? Tequila,Jal)
v. Diego Gomez (07/29/1662-? Tequila,Jal)
c. Juana de Monroy Pizarro (abt 1639-) and Diego Lopez de Salazar (abt 1639-)
i. Francisco Salazar (10/27/1657-? Tequila,Jal)
ii. Juan Salazar (1660-? Tequila,Jal)

2. García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1600-bef Oct 1654) and Maria de la Cueva Mendoza (Maria de la Cueva Mendoza married Juan Perez on
9/02/1658 in Tequila, Jal) after García de Monroy Pizarro death (bef. Oct 1654).
a. Leonor de la Cueva y Monroy (abt 1639-) and (Alguacil) Joan Lopez Villoslada (abt 1620-) (m. 09/20/1652 in Tequila, Jal.)
i. Joan Lopez (11/18/1654-? Tequila,Jal)
ii. Diego Lopez (05/17/1659-? Tequila,Jal)
iii. Joseph Lopez (05/26/1661-? Tequila,Jal)
b. Maria de la Cueva Monroy (abt 1640-bef 1663) and Joseph Lopez de Salazar (abt 1635-) (m.05/22/1655)
i. Francisco Salazar (12/25/1655-)
c. Aldonza de la Cueva Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1645-) and Diego Muñoz Pamplona (abt 1640-) (m. 06/29/1663 Tequila,Ja)
i. Nicholas Muñoz (07/25/1668-? Tequila,Jal)
d. Diego Monroy (abt 1645-)
e. Francisca Monroy (10/07/1649-? Tequila,Jal)
f. Josefa Monroy (06/08/1651-? Tequila,Jal)
g. Juan de Monroy (abt 1645-? Tequila,Jal)

3. García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1650-bef. 1713) and Mariana Melendez de León (abt 1650-bef. 1713) (m. 03/19/1669 Guadalajara)
a. Antonio Garcia y Monroy (02/08/1684-05/30/1740 Tequila,Jal.)
b. Phelipe Pizarro y Monroy (abt. 1685-)
c. Nicholas Pizarro y Monroy (abt. 1685)
d. Diego Monroy
e. Francisco Monroy (04/12/1686-? Tequila,Jal)
*Most of these children were comfirmed in Magdalena, Jal and some settled in Hostotipaquillo, Jal.

4. Francisco de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1630-) and Francisca Gomez Bribiesca de Meza (abt 1630)
a. Balthasar Monroy (02/13/1650)
b. Juana Monroy (07/01/1651-)
c. Geronimo Monroy (10/22/1653-)
d. Josefa Monroy (12/24/1656-)
e. Francisco Monroy (07/09/1658-)

I am still in the process of reviewing the films but any help to determine the parents of García de Monroy y Pizarro (abt 1650-bef. 1713) married to Mariana Melendez de León would be appreciated.

Thank you
Ruben R.

José Yrineo Magallanes; Mariano Magallanes; Francisco Magallanes; Juan Magallanes

shot in the dark but if anyone is researching these individuals from the Tlaltenango or Jerez area of Zacatecas this info might be interesting to inspect:

José Yrineo Magallanes family papers, 1728-1901.
Author: José Yrineo Magallanes; Mariano Magallanes; Francisco Magallanes; Juan Magallanes
Edition/Format: Manuscript Archival Material : Spanish
Summary:
Papers of José Yrineo Magallanes and his sons, Mariano, Francisco and Juan, relating to the sale, inheritance, or transfer of lands and estates mainly in Tlaltenango and Jérez, province of Zacatecas, Mexico.
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Juana Cabral (Jerez)

Hola,

Estoy buscando la fuente documental que establece que Juana Cabral (esposa de Fabian de Avila en Jerez Zacatecas, y madre de Tomas de Avila Cabral) era hija de Domingo Cabral y Catalina. Agradeciendo de antemano cualquier informacion

susana

hi,

I'm looking for the a documentary source to establish that Juana Cabral (wife of Fabian de Avila in Jerez Zacatecas, and mother of Tomas Avila Cabral) was the daughter of Domingo Cabral and Catalina. Thanking you for any information

susana

About Pasajeros that traveled by ship to Nueva Espana (Mexico)

I would like to give tips to people out there that are interested in looking up people or ancestors that traveled by ship from Spain to Nueva Espana (Mexico).

Each pasajero has a document usually abouot 4 - 10 pages long on average. But here is the thing? Each pasajero many times has people that traveled with him on the ship such as "su mujer," "sus hijos," "criados." Those extra people traveling with the pasajero are buried in the document. So you have to read the document to find the names of the other people that traveled with the "pasajero."

The point I am trying to make is that in he pars website for example, it will list names of the pasajero's who sailed to Nueva Espana. But they had people that traveled with them that are named inside the pasajero's document which you will have to read to find who they are.

Here is a pars website to look through:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

You can search "pasajeros." Then on the left side after the list comes up you can filter by years. For example I wanted to searched 1687 so I filtered for 1687 range. I picked the one on the list called "informacion y licencias de pasajeros a indias 1687."

Even though it doesn't show digital documents attached. Don't be fooled. They many times are attached. So I would click on "view in original presentation." It would take me to the next page called "Pares."

In the middle of the page "1687" then there would be "153 units attached."

I would click on the 153 units attached. And they they are. A list of names of 153 pasajeros. Then I would open each document and read through it to see who traveled with him in the form of "su mujer," "sus hijos," "criados."

Other topics you can search for in pars website are:

Relacion de pasajeros - gives more names of passengers

Registro de navios - before the fleets were to sail to nueva espana, ships were being registered with things about their cargo for example.

Here is a website of the "flotas" that sailed to nueva espana (mexico) and if you click on one it gives the whole list of names of ships that sailed that year.

https://todoavante.es/index.php?title=Categor%C3%ADa%3AFlota_de_Nueva_E…

Diego Zermeño

De Diego Zermeño, no habia oido hablar de el, el caso es de que hay un Domingo Vasquez Zermeño que fue bautizado 2 May 1653, en Lagos de Moreno,  lo que puede encajar en el periodo de tiempo que ya mencionaste.
Por los menos Juan Vasquez Zermeño y Teresa de Anda tuvieron aparentemente a un
Juan, Martin y Domingo Vasquez Zermeño. De acuerdo con la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara.
No sabía que Juan Vasquez Zermeño tenía relación con los García Arrona. Puedes dar mas luz de cual es la relación con los Garcia Arrona.
Esta familia Vasquez Zermeño, aparentemente esta con relación con los Vasquez Lara, y hasta cierto punto es confusa la relación, sabes mas de esto?
Celestino.

Da Maria de Olibarri the wife of Dn Pedro de Abalos Bracamonte 1666

Hello Group,

Sorry I've been out of touch with the group, but I've been researching elsewhere in Mexico this past year. As of late I have been doing research in Nayarit working on my Rios Californio line. For the past few weeks I've been reading Tepic burials and in the past week Compostela burials.

Tonight I found Da Maria de Olibarri, the wife of Dn Pedro de Abalos (Davalos) Bracamonte. The document can be found on image 10 Compostela, Nayarit Entierros 1663-1797. This family is from Guadalajara from what I can tell from the other information I've found. The document lists their 7 children, Alo (Alfonso I believe), Francisca, Nicolas, Pedro, Leonor, Diego and Madgalena. Maria was buried in 1666.

While searching Tepic and Compostela burials I'm coming across a lot of people from Guadalajara, a few from Aguascalientes, Nochitlan, and a few from Jalos. Just giving you all a heads up.

Hope this helps....

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

ALONSO DE ESTRADA, HIJO DE …

Several of us descend from Alonso de Estrada, royal treasurer and colonial governor of Nueva España, during the time of Cortés. Legend has him as the bastard son of Rey Fernando II el Catolico and a Luisa de Estrada, daughter of an ambassador. This is refuted by the 1585 limpieza de sangre of his great-grandson, Gobernador Jorge de Alvarado y Villafañe, which names Alonso de Estrada’s parents as Juan Fernandez Hidalgo, of Ciudad Real, and his first wife - whose name none of the witnesses could remember, only that his 2nd wife was surnamed Oliver. It did name his paternal grandparents as Diego Fernandez Hidalgo and Maria Gonzalez de Estrada. That document can be found at the PARES website, and it is digitized in its entirety, if you want to read it, though it is long and a hard read. It is the only historical document that I know of that names the father of Alonso de Estrada. Until now…and believe me, this one is a MUCH easier read!

I was grazing through the Mexican Inquisition archives, and I randomly came upon this. It’s the limpieza and proof of nobility of Licenciado Alvaro Gomez de Abaunza y Castro, oidor de la Audiencia de Guatemala, and later alcalde de crimen de la Audiencia de Mexico, and of his wife, Doña Isabel Costilla de Saavedra. It appears to be dated 11 Dec 1608. While glancing through their lines, I noticed that she was great-great granddaughter of Alonso de Estrada and Doña Marina Flores de la Caballeria, and to my amazement, it names their parents! I jumped out of my chair!

According to her prueba de nobleza, Alonso de Estrada’s father was Juan Fernandez de Estrada, corresponding with the 1585 Jorge Alvarado limpieza, but it names his mother as Luisa de Oliver. She might be the N. de Oliver mentioned in the 1585 limpieza, making her Fernandez’s second wife, and therefore step-mother of Alonso de Estrada - unless his father married sisters, which is totally possible.

Either way, while the identity of his mother might still be in doubt, we now have a second document confirming that Alonso de Estrada was son of Juan Fernandez de Estrada, aka Juan Fernandez Hidalgo, who, according to the entry for Marina de Estrada (img249L), was:

“hijo segundo de la Casa de Estrada que bino de asturias a ciudad real, donde fue casado con doña luisa de oliver vezina de la dicha ciudad y fundo el mayorazgo de la Villa de Picon y de otras haciendas suyas…”

“the second son of the House of Estrada, who came from Asturias to Ciudad Real, where he married doña Luisa de Oliver, native of said city, and who founded the mayorazgo of the Villa de Picon, and of other haciendas in his possession…”

So, it’s looking more and more like there was no royal bastard birth for our infamous ancestor, Alonso de Estrada, and that it was just a legend, that probably grew from a popular joke, regarding his rapid ascent to power. I loved the idea of descending from a bastard son of the Catholic King - I love the irony, and I was thrilled when I first read about it, but these pieces of the puzzle keep popping up and bursting that bubble!

All the same, Alonso de Estrada’s life story is just as compelling, and even more impressive, if he did it without being of royal blood. It shows how a man can go from being a low-head-on-the-totem-pole holder of a señorio in Ciudad Real, to being governor of and one of the most powerful figures in one of the Crown’s newest acquisitions.

This prueba also gives a genealogy of his wife, Doña Marina Flores de la Caballeria, naming her parents and paternal grandparents, though it mistakenly names her grandfather as Alonso Gutierrez de la Caballeria, when it was his brother, Comendador Gonzalo Gutierrez: her grandmother, Doña Catalina de Luna, married brothers, sons of Men Gutierrez de la Caballeria cc Catalina de la Cabra. It does mention that Doña Catalina de Luna was niece of Alvaro de Luna, Condestable de Castilla, which is super cool, and shows how connected these Sefardi families were to the centers of power. By the way, there is no mention of Doña Marina being descended from Conversos, which is discussed in depth in the 1585 limpieza. I guess too many generations had passed.

I recommend reading this limpieza y prueba. The script is highly legible, and it’s laid out in columns, by relationships and by generations, with biographies of each ancestor. It’s like an encyclopedia: Alvaro Gomez de Abaunza and Isabel Costilla had some illustrious ancestors, back in Spain, and in Colonial Mexico and Guatemala - primeros conquistadores y pobladores, some really good stuff, and I’m sure some of you will make some connections.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Galeron De Los Esclavos - Real De Asientos - Aguascalientes

I have been curious about slaves in Nueva Espana because when I had watched the TV Series "Roots" about slaves in the USA. I was impacted by the suffering they went through.

So I have been trying to look at documents about "esclavos" that were taken to Nueva Espana but they were also taken to other parts of the Americas such as Brazil, Colombia, Cuba, Dominican Repulic, etc.

When I had seen in the pars website, I saw that slaves were picked up mostly at "New Guniea and Angola" that were brought to Nueva Espana but they were first brought to Cuba.

If you look up "esclavos"

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

But out of random when viewing defunto records in Xerez? I randomly saw esclavos that said they were from "El Congo."

In the archives of aguascalientes, there were slaves sold at "Real De Asientos" and "Aguascalientes." You can look that up in the Aguascalientes archives under "Compraventa de Esclavos"

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

to get in username: sigue.publica
password: publica

Over at "Real De Asientos" there is a building that looks like in a desolate area called "Galeron de esclavos." But now it seems to not be anymore on tourist websites. I used to see it years ago and also saw a youtube on that. Now, they are practically all gone.

If you look in images in google "Galeron De Esclavos Real De Asientos Aguascalientes" you can see only two pictures of that place.

Lorenzo de Espino cc Maria de Aguilar y Elizondo

Hello All. I hope everyone is well.

I am looking for information on Lorenzo de Espino and Maria de Aguilar y Elizondo. Supposedly, they were married 1 Oct 1649 somewhere in Zacatecas. I don't know his parents, but Maria is identified on various trees as the daughter of Francisco de Elizondo and Magdalena de Aguilar Duarte.

The source for this info is:

Guillermo Garmendia Leal, Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila y Nuevo Leon, Zacatecas Tomo 1, page 3, Matrimonios, 1649 - 1700.

I do not have this book, but I would like to know whether the marriage records cited in this book are on FamilySearch now so I can verify this information for myself, and also if anyone has any other information on this couple.

I believe through various records and dispensas I have all their children, but any information would be helpful. Thanks.

~ Andrea

BEATRIZ LOPEZ DE FUENLLANA Y SU ABUELA MATERNA

Hola prim@s,

This is the 10 Jul 1607 testamento of Beatriz Lopez de Fuenllana, widow of Alonso de Robalcava:
Testamento de Beatriz Lopez de Fuenllana

She identifies her parents as Juan de Baeça and Ysabel Perez, vecinos de Patzcuaro, and her legitimate children as (in order that she names them):

- Mateo de Robalcava
- Alonso de Robalcava
- Francisco Gonzalez (ya difunto, cc Ana de la Paz en Ciudad de Mexico)
- Fulgencio Gonzalez
- Mariana Gonzalez cc Martin Peres
- Beatriz Lopez cc Lorenço Marques
- Ysabel de Todos Los Santos monja profesa, convento de Nra Señora de Gracia
- Francisca de San Clemente monja profesa, convento de Nra Señora de Gracia
- Ursula Gonzalez cc Gabriel Lopes
- Maria Gonzalez cc Pedro de Huerta

She says, when she and Alonso married, neither brought anything into the marriage, I guess, meaning she received no dote. She also explains that when their sons married, they gave them nothing, but their daughters received cartas de dote, including the 2 who entered the convent.

FRAY DIEGO DE FUENLLANA

While scrounging through the archives of the Inquisicion in Mexico, I located 2 procesos against her brother, Fray Diego de Fuenllana, both for “solicitar” (i.e. seducing women in his congregation). The first on 03 Jan 1583:
Proceso contra Fray Diego de Fuenllana 1583

And again 10 Jul 1617:
Proceso contra Fray Diego de Fuenllana 1617

The 1583 proceso gives info about Fray Diego’s birth - he was born in Cuyseo (Cuitzeo), Mich, around 1546. It also includes a partial limpieza de sangre (image 125):

He says his father, Juan de Baeça was natural de Patzcuaro, where he served as magistrato. As for his mother, Ysabel Perez, I can’t make out the name of her birthplace. Anybody?

Unfortunately, he never knew his grandparents, so he didn’t know their names, except for his maternal grandmother: BEATRIZ DE TORRES. The missing piece! She would be the wife of conquistador Francisco de Santaella, I can’t make out the name of her birthplace. He also names a brother of his mother, Diego del Castillo, minero en el Fresnillo.

Fray Diego names his siblings and the spouses of his sisters. This is the family group of Juan Lopez de Baeza and Ysabel Perez de Santaella, in the order that Fray Diego names them. I’ll list him first, since I don’t know his place, only his age:

- Fray Diego de Fuenllana, b. 1546
- Fray Gaspar de Baeza, Fraile de San Agustin
- Miguel Lopez de Fuenllana (looks like “en Peru”? Anybody?
- Juan Lopez de Fuenllana, mynas de Chiametla? Anybody?
- Catalina Lopez de Fuenllana muger de Alo de Lupiana en la Villa de Çamora
- Beatriz Lopez muger de Alo de Robalcava en el Nuevo Reyno de Galicia
- Ysabel del Castillo muger de “Orozco”? en Çamora
- Francisca Lopez muger Alo de Vargas en Çamora
- Petronila Lopez muger de Cristobal Ramirez en Çamora

We finally have the name of Francisco de Santaella’s wife, Beatriz de Torres. “Castillo” is new to me, as far as this FG. Good lead, for anyone researching that surname in Fresnillo.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Orozco y Toledo

Estimados Señores,

Desciendo del matrimonio formado por Isidro de Orozco y Toledo y Antonia Girón y Castellanos quienes eran primos hermanos y casaron con dispensa por consanguinidad en Michoacán.

- Isidro de Orozco y Toledo era hijo de Diego de Orozco y Tovar y de María Girón de Castellanos.
- Antonia Girón y Castellanos era hija de Beatriz de Andrada y Paniagua y de Diego Girón de Castellanos.

La filiación de Diego de Orozco y Beatriz de Andrada es clara, ambos son hijos de Juan Sánchez de Paniagua y de Mariana de Andrada y Orozco.

La filiación de María y de Diego Girón de Castellanos no me queda clara y tampoco sé de dónde sale el apellido "Toledo".

Quizás sean parientes del Obispo de Michoacán Alonso Orozco Enríquez de Castellanos y Toledo puesto que la hija de su hermano García Enríquez de Castellanos y Toledo, doña Isabel Enríquez de Castellanos casó con Alonso Girón de Alvarado pudiendo haber usado sus descendientes el apellido compuesto Girón de Castellanos y Toledo.

Sin embargo, otra pariente del Obispo, Gracia de Castellanos y Toledo casó con Antonio Girón dándonos otra posibilidad.

Ante estos casos, alguien sabe quienes son los padres de Diego y María Girón de Castellanos?

Saludos cordiales,

¿Son todos los Cabral jerezanos y en general zacatecanos descendientes de Domingo Cabral?

Este es un tema que parece central en la investigación genealógica de los Cabral zacatecanos y por lo visto no hay una respuesta definitiva aún. La pregunta tiene varias modalidades, podríamos formularla al menos de dos formas más: ¿Tuvo Domingo Cabral (1610 ca.) hermanos y/o hermanas? o incluso ¿hubo otra rama Cabral en Jerez o alrededores sin relación con Domingo Cabral?

Toda investigación sobre los Cabral en esta región tiene que tomar muy en cuenta la investigación de Salvador Cabral Valdez, quien sin duda es el que más se ha ocupado del tema y lo ha hecho con el rigor y la paciencia que la investigación genealógica ha de tener.

Cuando le plantee esta pregunta a él, su respuesta, según recuerdo, fue que él no había encontrado hermanos de Domingo y tampoco otra familia Cabral en la región que tuviera un origen distinto al de Domingo.

Toda labor en Jerez va a toparse con el mal estado de los libros más antiguos y tambien con la irremediable pérdida de libros y registros. Según Salvador Cabral Valdez esta pérdida alcanzaba y superaba la cifra de 100. Sin embargo uno ha de seguir intentando, pues a veces pueden surgir indicios que abran posibilidades. El tema me toca personalmente pues pertenezco a este linaje jerezano y por lo tanto en mi labor de indagar en mi árbol he tenido que plantearme el tema más de una vez a lo largo de los últimos 20 años pues no fue nada fácil descubrir si mi linea se relacionaba con la de Domingo y por lo tanto elaboré una y otra vez distintas hipótesis, aunque al final y muy recientemente pude encontrar varios registros que me resultan probatorios respecto de mi vínculo con Domingo Cabral. Aún asi me sigue interesando el tema de de esta pregunta, no ya por el interés personal mío sino por el interés general de la genealogía Cabral en la región del norte de Jalisco y poniente zacatecano.

En los últimos documentos consultados he encontrado indicios (no probatorios aún) que me llevan a pensar que muy probablemente Domingo haya tenido al menos una hermana, Juana y un hermano, Cristobal. En el caso de Juana lo pienso asi porque en el libro de registros más antiguo de Jerez que he podido consultar y que es del año 1649, cuando probablemente Domingo tenía alrededor de 39 años y 18 de casado, aparece en dos ocasiones una Juana Cabral casada con Matías Lozano. En ambas citas el motivo es el registro de un hijo, Antonio y una hija, cuyo nombre es ilegible. Especulando, le doy a Juana una edad de 20 años, lo cual abre la posibilidad de que se tratara de su hermana. Desde luego que podría ser su hija, para lo cual tendría que ser quiza la mayor y en este caso sería más jóven, quiza 18 años. Por mi parte no descarto la posibilidad de que sea una hermana menor de Domingo. Es cierto que Salvador Cabral y otros han anotado a una Juana Cabral como una de las hijas de Domingo, pero parece que no sería ésta Juana, sino otra, casada con alguien de apellido Avila. En el antiguo padrón jerezano de 1649 encontramos a Domingo viviendo en su rancho, distante tres leguas de la Villa de Xerez, junto con su mujer Catalina Caldera y 8 hijos: Ana, la mayor ahi, que vive con su esposo Joseph Sánchez y luego Francisca e Isabel, doncellas, Tomás, joven y soltero y finalmente cuatro párvulos: Pedro, Juan, Cristóbal y Bartolomé, de 6, 5, 3 y 2 años respectivamente. Estos cuatro críos son desde luego hijos de Domingo, como explicitamente lo asienta el registro. Este registro del padrón da para algunas reflexiones: aparecen aqui hijos de los que Salvador Cabral Valdez no hace mención alguna, como son Francisca, Tomás, Pedro y Bartolomé, lo que me hace pensar que quizá él no haya tenido la oportunidad de ver este padrón. Tambien cabe destacar que aqui no aparecen otros hijos que Salvador Cabral u otros investigadores han atribuido a Domingo: Juana, Catalina, Clara y desde luego Lorenzo e Ysidro, los cuales están bien documentados y son con seguridad nacidos en fecha posterior al registro del padrón. Llama la atención la presencia en el padrón de Juan, de 5 años, pues hay un Juan, hijo legítimo de Domingo y Catalina, bautizado en 18 de enero de 1650 y nacido en diciembre de 1649, y que además plantea una discrepancia con la fecha que Don Salvador Cabral da a Juan, quien es el ancestro directo de él y al que asigna como fecha de bautismo el 16 de marzo de 1649. Creo que la fecha correcta es 18 de enero de 1650 para el bautismo, como se lee claramente en el registro. Sin embargo queda la duda del Juan que aparece en el padrón, nacido aproximadamente en 1644. Esto es simplemente interesante, pero no puede llevarnos muy lejos en nuestras reflexiones pues sabemos que la mayoría, no todos, tenían varios nombres de pila y luego usaban uno u otro a discresíón. De cualquier modo, el registro baptismal de Juan en enero de 1650 es con un solo nombre: Juan, por lo que el Juan del padrón pudo bien ser Juan José u otro segundo nombre o incluso haber fallecido (ese mismo año) y dar lugar a que el nuevo hijo tuviera el mismo nombre.