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If anyone in the group has information and feels inclined to help please
send reply to this person who needs help in researching how to find a
person buried in Guadalajara in 1993.

thanks,

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Nuestros Ranchos user notice
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:14:39 -0400
From:
Reply-To: kjsooners@classicnet.net
To: moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

I am so sorry that I didn't reply sooner. This isnt really what I was
looking for. I need help with questions in regards to doing research in
Guadalajara - finding out where someone is buried. We dont have alot of
genealogy to share because there is only one family member that is
buried there and we just recently found out that is where he passed
away. He left Texas in the early 1960's and we had no idea on where he
went. He died in 1993 and is buried there. We just don't know where.
Trying to find out information on cemeteries as his granddaughter will
be coming to this area for Christmas 09 and would like to visit his grave.

Thank you for your help.

I am also the third generation born in this country. My father was raised in
East L.A. his grandparents came from Aguascalientes and Culiacan. My father
only spoke spanish until the age of 5 when he started attending public
school. My mother is a NewYorican ( a Puerto Rican from New York) her mother
came as a girl w/parents from Humacao, PR. She says she dosen't ever
remember not understanding both english and spanish. While both my parents
are bilingual they never taught their children spanish. They would say they
spoke primarily in english because they "think in english". The funny thing
is that they spoke spanish around us just enough for us to understand what
was being said when we heard the language, but we can't speak it. I have
learned that the 3rd generation born in the US usually don't speak spanish.
The first must speak it to communicate w/parents. The 2nd generation usually
speak it to communicate w/grandparents who frequently take care of them as
children. The third generation rarely speak spanish fluently. I have about
30 first cousins and none of them speak spanish except 2 of them who moved
to Mexico for an extended period of time to learn the language. I personally
feel like my parent did me a diservice.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM,
wrote:

A good program for translation has yet to be invented. In my opinion there
will never be a sutible replacement for a human translator. Language itself
is so complex and subjective that a computer just can't do the job properly.
The person that comes up with a good translation program will be rolling in
cash, but it's most likley not possible. I know a good professional
translator, if anyone is interested in hiring him let me know and I'll pass
along contact his contact information.

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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Google translate doesn't work
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> Google translate really isn't good enough. I have been trying to find time
> in the past few days to translate for the readers that would like a
> translation. Even though I am not the best person to do translations I can
> do a better job than Google.
> An example is that even for the simple phrase "How's that?" Google
> translated it to "?C?mo es eso?" when it should be "?Esta bien?" or ?Que
> tal?
> "?Como les parecen?" means "How do you (plural) look like them?" It should
> be ?Que les parece? Please don't take it personal. I have done bad
> translations before and I will continue to do so. Also, typos can make it
> look like a person doesn't know how to write in that language.
>
> Cordially,
> Armando
>
>
> Las traducci?nes de Google realmente tiene demasiados errores. He estado
> tratando de encontrar tiempo de traducir para los lectores que les gustaria
> una traducci?n. Aun no soy el mejor para hacer traducciones pero lo podria
> hacer mejor que Google.
> Por ejemplo el simpre frase "How's that?" esta traducido por Google como
> "?C?mo es eso?" cuando deber?a ser "?Esta bien?" o ?Que tal?
> "?como les parecen?" quiere decir "How do you (plural) look like them?"
> cuando deber?a ser ?Que les parece? Por favor no lo tomes mal. He hecho mal
> las traducciones antes y seguir? haci?ndolo. Adem?s, errores por falta de
> usar bien el teclado pueden hacer que se vea que una persona no sabe
> escribir bien en ese idioma.
>
> Cordialmente,
> Armando
>
>
> ------------------------------
>

http://translate.google.com/translate_t#en|es|translate%20English%20into%20Spanish

Para los que necesitan traducir los e-mails a ingles/espanol

Link for those who need translations for Enlish/Spanish.

How's that? Ha! como les parecen?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Interpretations of Christening Records of Aguascalientes 1727-1762

Source:
Mexico Aguascalientes Catholic Church Records, Rincón de Romos.
Bautismos en la Parroquia de San José de Gracia, 1726-1762
(pilot.familysearch.org, images 1-221, image files 4340118_277-497)

... = omitted text
___ = unknown characters that are hidden in the gutter of the bound volume
( ) = text that is uncertain, or clarifying comments
< > = text from the margin

* = in database
+ = in database as research note only
---------------------------------------
Interpretations of christenings Ags 1743

image filename 4340118_353.jpg

En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
ocho dias de Dic 1742 ... Maria, mestisa __ nuebe dias de nasida
originaria del Puesto del Rio Blanco, hija lexitima de Maselino de
Herrera y Maria de los Dolores, fueron sus padrinos ____ de Aleman y
Juana Nicolasa

En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
sinco del mes de 1743 ... Maria Manuela, yndia nacida de dose
dias hija de padres no conocidos y originaria de dicha hazienda,
fueron padrinos Francisco Albares de la Torre y Maria Theresa

En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
veinte y siete ___ mes de henero 1743 ... Petra Lugarda, coyota __ tr.
(60?) dias de nacida, hija legitima de Matheo de Hortis y Maria de
Esparza, y es originaria de dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Manuel
Duron y Antonia de Chabes

+En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y ___tro del mes de Febrero 1743 ... Joseph Antonio ( )
Natibo del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia de Nb. dias de nacido hijo
legitimo de Phelipe Bentura y Maria Josepha, fueron sus padrinos
Ma(nuel/gdaleno?) Antonio y Anna Maria de los Dolores

*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y quatro del mes de Marzo 1743 ... Gertrudis, yndia
originaria del Pueblo de Señor San Joseph de Gracia de nuebe dias de
nacida hija lexitima de Francisco Rodrigues y Nicolasa de los Reies,
yndios, fueron sus padrinos Simón de Silba y Juana Catharina

{see also Ags, Sagrario, Bautismos 1717-1727, image 84 image filename
4339960_299.jpg " En la Villa de Aguascalientes en mes de
Agosto 1721 baptise y puse los Santos Olios á Francisco Xavier, indio
hijo legitimo de Manuel Rodrigues y de Juana de la Cruz, fueron us
padrinos Xpthobal Basques y Paula Garcia" and image 88, filename
4339960_303.jpg "En la Villa de Aguascalientes en ocho de Octubre 1721
baptise y puse los Santos Oleos á Nicolasa, india hija lexitima de
Matheo de los Reies y de Michaela Ramires, padrino Xpl (probably
Christóbal) Peres". Note: there were several Francisco Xavier's born
in 1721, and another born in 1734 who also married a Nicolasa de los
Reyes aka de los Santos aka de la Cruz - very confusing}

*En la Hazienda de Santigao Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y siete de Abril 1743 ... Maria Cecilia, mulata de diesiocho
dias de nacida originaria de dicha hazienda hija legitima de Pedro
Basques y Josepha Girosta, fueron sus padrinos Sebastian Cordero y
Maria de Esqueda

*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en primero del mes de maio 1743 ... Juan George, yndio de nuebe dias
de nacido originario del Puesto de Garabato hijo legitimo de Alexandro
de Ybarra y de Nicolasa Garcia, sirbiente en Garabato, fueron sus
padrinos Andres Rodrigues y Andrea Felipa

En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
sinco del mes de Maio 1743 ... Aniceto de Jesus, de diesyocho dias de
nacido, yndio originario del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia hijo
lexitimo de Geronimo de Ortis y de Asencia Hernandes, fueron sus
padrinos Ysidro Joseph y Maria de / la Encarnasion

image filename 4340118_354.jpg

En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
quinse del mes de io 1743 ... Juana Rosalia, yndia de dies dias de
nacida originaria del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia hija lexitima de
Ma____ Preciado y de Juana Dias, fueron sus padrinos Simon de Silba y
Juana Cath_____

En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
nuebe del mes de Junio 1743 ... Manuela Gertrud__, yndia natural del
Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia de doze dias de nacida, hija legitima
de Juan Gonzales y de Maria de la Cruz, fueron sus padrinos Sipriano
de Herrera y Juana Muños

*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en Veinte y (tres) del mes de Junio 1743 ... Juan Santo Sustinio,
coiote de dose dias de nacido originario de la Labor del Garabato hijo
legitimo de J___ Leandro y de Maria de Eredia difunta, fueron sus
padrinos Raphael Rodrigues y Efigenia Serrano

*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en seis del mes de Junio ... Petra Gertrudis, de
quinse dias de nacida mulata hija legitima de Juan Basques y de Maria
de la Cruz, sirbientes de dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Lazaro
de Santiago y Maria Josepha de Esparsa

*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en 16 del mes de Julio 1743 ... Pedro Joseph, yndio de quinse dias de
nacido hijo legitimo de Jasinto Guerrero y de Juana Maria del Carmen,
originarios del el Pueblo de Señor San Joseph de Gracia, fueron sus
padrinos Juan Joseph de Alda(co) y Juana Antonia

I'm pretty much going from a 80thcousin/friends information who is much
much more knowledgeable than I am in DNA understanding. Here are some
communications I've had with him:

Specifically it comes from:
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/puentes-coat-arms.htm

====================

On the subject of your haplogroup, red means predicted as opposed to
confirmed. The certificate you emailed me from Ethno (S21+)390 is
confirmation of your U106. I suggest emailing it to FTDNA and
requesting that your haplo be changed to R1b1b2g green as confirmed.
You could also email it to the U106 project administrator and also
advise that you are R1b1b2g confirmed. As to the offer below, I would
accept it, as many more recent studies are uncovering special genetic
groupings within the SNP's. The South Euro (Spain Portugal France) part
of U106 represents a very small 4%, with distintive differences in their
markers ie: DYS390+25, 385b=14 or 15, 447=25 or 26, 464A-D=15,15,16,17,
GATA H4=11, YCA I and II= 19, 23 or 24 and 456=15. These are all
different than the large modal for U106 (Frisian) which dominates the
project. My belief and that of other studies suggests these markers are
found in Basque and Gaelic populations that migrated from the Pyrennes
and Northern Spain to Ireland. This study may also shed light on when
and where this special signature emerged (Alpine Germanic? to Iberia) Lyn

======================

The simple answer to your question is yes. All R1b1b2a1a tested
individuals relate to one person who mutated to the SNP referred to in
short as R1b-U106. So far research suggests that took place about 3500
years ago. This individual was a son of SNP P311 and his brother was
P312, an SNP found in numerous Spanish individuals. These two SNP's
are so close, that recently several individuals originally tested as
U106 (your S21), were reclassified as P312. The key is the markers and
specifically the first 12. The bulk of U106 have a 390=23 and indicate
a subclade of U106 called L48+. The rest of us are L48-, and for those
closest to you 390=25. That is found in a wide area, and the debate
continues as to whether it originated in Austria moving south and north?
or Belgium moving east and south? I would bet on the second and still
see no evidence to change my opinion that those with this signature in
Spain, southern France, Ireland and Scotland are the downstream
descendants of the Celtic-Germano Volcae who migrated from the north
into Iberia circa 300BC. New subclade SNP's are discovered every day,
and maybe one will surface to further define our group. Lyn

======================

Thank you for the invite Joseph, I sincerely hope to have a chance to
meet you both at some point. My wife Cecilia (French on the maternal
side) is descended from the family Poitvin anciently of Lanquedoc in
Southern France (kinda the same area, on the North slopes of the
Pyrennes) and believe it or not as the Ripleys used to say, our
progenitor (the Volcae) if I have it figured correctly link to Turkey as
well. The distance calculation between us is a genetic distance of
26/67, so aproximately 2200-2400 years/av 30 between generations (FTDNA)
or about an 80th cousin removed by the time that original U106 line had
migrated and mutated to 13, 25, 14 10. Lyn

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

arman212@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Joseph, I see you commented "Spanish Origins Valley of Trucios,
Province of Biscay" Do you have more info? My ancestors are from the
same area, Valmaseda, but with a surname from Valle de Mena, Burgos. I
won't have my results until August though. Armando

hola,
Ya tengo donde conseguir el libro en la Ciudad de México, le interesa a
alguien?, cuesta aprox. $100 US mas gastos de envio.

I have been doing genealogy for the past 18 years and never found the benefits of the Information Matrimonial records until last night. In the past I have ordered rolls and rolls of these films looking for missing links with no success. But last night I was helping my research colleague with a mystery in Aguascalientes. He had the date of his ancestors marriage, but the marriage document didn't provide much information....date, their names and witnesses only. So for the heck of it I went to the Information Matrimonial film for the year of the marriage. I looked for the month previous to the date of this couples marriage and lo and behold it was there along with the names of the couples parents (one line came from Sierra de Pinos).

So if you're looking for the marriage of Joseph Peres and Juliana Chabes in Aguascalientes for 3 Feb 1704, the Information Matrimonial was in January, I believe it was image 15.

I just thought I'd share this new find....not sure if you've had the same problem that I've had with these records...I had pretty much given up on them due to frustration and cost....but now I know how to use them.....go back 6-3 weeks before the couples marriage. I'm hoping Jalisco, Zacatecas and Sonora digitized records will be online soon.

Well, looks like I'll be doing some major hunting this week-end.

Rose Hardy
Fresno

Dear Members,
I just visited the Pilot website and found that it has been updated. I am happy to see Coahuila as part of my maternal family comes from that area. At this pace, we all wish Jalisco to be on line this year.

Jaime Alvarado

Interpretations of Christening Records of Aguascalientes 1727-1762

Source:
Mexico Aguascalientes Catholic Church Records, Rincón de Romos.
Bautismos en la Parroquia de San José de Gracia, 1726-1762
(pilot.familysearch.org, images 1-221, image files 4340118_277-497)

... = omitted text
___ = unknown characters that are hidden in the gutter of the bound volume
( ) = text that is uncertain, or clarifying comments
< > = text from the margin

* = in database
+ = in database as research note only

----------------------------------------------
image filename 4340118_343.jpg

**En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en treinta y uno de Henero 1740 ... Maria Antonia, india originaria de
el Pueblo de San Joseph hijo de padres no conocidos, fueron sus
padrinos Simon Benites y Juana de Lara

+En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en primero de Febrero 1740 ... Paula Merenciana, loba originaria de la
dicha villa digo de la dicha hazienda hija legitima de Juan de
Salasar, indio, y Maria de la Concepcion, mulata, sirvientes en la
expresada hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Phelipe de Jesus y Ana Maria
Basques

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
tres de Febrero 1740 ... Maria Anastasia, loba, originaria de la dicha
hazienda hija legitima de Juan Antonio, mulato, y Thadea, india,
sirvientes en dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Miguel Carrasquilla
y Maria Dolores

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte uno de febrero 1740 ... Blas de la Candelaria, indio originario
del Pueblo de San Joseph hijo legitimo de Martin Lopez, difunto, y
Maria de la Concepcion, vecina de dicho pueblo, fueron sus padrinos
Ygnacio Rodrigues y Maria Gertrudis

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en beinte y dos de Febrero 1740 ... Juan Pablo, lobo originario de
dicha hazienda hijo legitimo de Santiago Ramires, indio, y Juana de
Lara, mulata, sirvientes en dicha hazienda, fue su madrina Maria
Antonia

image filename 4340118_344.jpg

+En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en dose de Marzo 1740 ... Joseph Francisco originario de dicha
hazienda hijo legitimo de Augustin Garcia, mestiso, y Leonicia
Marcela, india, sirvientes en dicha hazienda, fue su madrina Ana
Basques

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte y sinco de Marzo 1740 ... Maria Alexandra hija natural, india
originaria de la Labor de Garabato, fueron sus padrinos Joachin
Caldera y Gertrudis Garcia

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
dos de Mayo 1740 ... Joseph Antonio, mulato originario de la Labor de
Garabato, hijo legitimo de Juan Antonio Sandobal y Gertrudis Caldera,
mulatos vecinos en dicha labor, fueron sus padrinos Nicolas Garcia y
Francisca Thomasa

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en seis de Mayo 1740 ... Pablo Martin, indio originario de dicha
hazienda hijo legitimo de Luis Santiago y Maria Magdalena, indios
sirvientes en la referida hazienda, fue su madrina Maria de la Cruz

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
ocho de Mayo 1740 ... Maria Guadalupe de la Cruz, india originaria de
la dicha hazienda hija legitima de Juan Bentura y Catarina Augustina,
indios sirvientes en la expresada hazienda, fueron sus padrinos
Christobal de la Cruz y Maria de la Cruz

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
catorse de Mayo 1740 ... / (next image) Anastacia Rosalia, mestisa
originaria de la dicha hija legitima de Juan Antonio de Esparsa y
Maria Ysabel, sirvientes en dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Manuel
Basques y Chrestina Garcia

image filename 4340118_345.jpg

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
sinco de Junio 1740 ... Antonia de la Cruz, india originaria de el
Pueblo de San Joseph hija natural, fueron sus padrinos Joseph Hilario
y Francisca Domingues

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en sinco de Junio 1740 ... Maria Guadalupe, india originaria de el
Pueblo de San Joseph hija legitima de Juan de Rosas y Michaela
Josepha, vesinos de dicho pueblo, fueron sus padrinos Francisco Xavier
Ramos y Getrudis Ramos

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte y cinco de Julio 1740 ... Margarita Gertrudis, india originaria
de el Pueblo de San Josehp hija legitima de Francisco Mathias y
Gregoria Quiteria, vecinos de dicho pueblo, fue su madrina Juana de
Aguallo

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
tres de Agosto 1740 ... Maria Magdalena, india originaria de el Pueblo
de San Joseph hija de padres no conocidos, fueron sus padrinos Diego
Martin y Maria Josepha

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte uno de Sept 1740 ... / (next image) Antonio Maria, collote
originario de dicha hazienda hijo legitimo de Asencio Hernandes,
indio, y Juana Gertrudis, española, ambos vecinos de dicha hazienda,
fueron sus padrinos Juan Antonio de Esparza y (Ysab__) de Ledesma

image filename 4340118_346.jpg

+En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en beinte y sinco de Sept 1740 ... Francisco Xavier, indio originario
de la Hazienda de Paderes hijo de padres no conocidos, fue su madrina
Juana de Aguallo

My first ancestor to stop using Ruiz de Esparza was known as Rafaela
Esparza at the time of her 2nd marriage (January 30, 1782). Her father,
Felipe-Toribio Ruiz-de-Esparza did use the compound surname. Maybe
they were preparing for Mexico's Independence when it would not have
been a good time to be connected to the Mother country, Spain. My Gomez
ancestor, Vicente Ferrer Gomez (his brother Agustin continued using the
compound name) had also dropped the Gomez de Mendoza when he married in
April 21, 1766 in the Jalostotitlan/San Juan de los Lagos area of
Jalisco.
What types of surname changes of others experienced?

Irma Gomez Gtz
N. California

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
treinta y uno de Henero 1740 ... Maria Antonia, india originaria de el
Pueblo de San Joseph hija de padres no conocidos, fueron sus padrinos
Simon Benites y Juana de Lara, á quienes advertí su obligación y
parentesco espiritual, y lo firme con dicho Señor Cura

This record is very typical for children of unknown parents, and the
padrinos named here happen to be my wife's direct-line ancestors. I
wonder what the relationship was between Antonia and her godparents,
when there are no other parents known. Did the godparents assume
responsibility for raising the child? Did they merely fine her a home?
Did they do little or nothing but allow their names to be written
down? Just how seriously did godparents take "su obligación y
parentesco espiritual"?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Hi Rob--

I have some Arguelles from Huejucar in my database. Do you have some names and dates?

Rosalinda

____________________________________________________________________

I'M looking for the Arguelles family line from Huejucar, Jalisco.

Thanks,

Rob Cesena

I'M looking for the Arguelles family line from Huejucar, Jalisco.

Thanks,

Rob Cesena

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:08:10 -0700 (PDT)
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I got Francisco Munos de Nava married to Maria Gonzalez as the parents
of two brothers (Juan Lopez and Andres Munos de Nava) who respectively
married two sisters (Luisa Marques and Luisa de Tiscareno) daughters of
Luis Tiscareno de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. Juan and Luisa
Marques married first, August 30, 1650 in Aguascalientes, followed by
Andres and Luisa, who were married on Sept 3, 1652. Juan and Luisa were
the godparents of Andres and Luisa.
I also have Luisa de Nava, daughter of Francisco Munos de Nava and Maria
Sanchez, who married Diego Alonso Gonzales de Hermosillo February 25,
1645, in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
I got a few questions: Is Francisco Munos de Nava one and the same? If
yes, is Maria Gonzalez and Maria Sanches the same person? Finally, does
anyone has additional ancestral information on the Munos de Nava,
Sanchez and Gonzalez lines I mentioned?

Thanks

Jaime Alvarado

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:06:25 -0700
From: "Angelina Markle"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco Munos de Nava
To:
Message-ID:
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Hello Jaime,

I found in "Somos Primos" Sept 2006 (I believe) an article (Descendants
of
don Diego Alonso Ramirez de Pedroza) by John Inclan that states that
Juan
Munos de Nava was married to Elvira Tiscareno. Then according to
familysearch batch #7516203 sheet 40 Source call #0884527 - she was also
daughter of Luis Ticareno de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. I don't
have any parents for this Juan Munos de Nava .... Could this have been a
third brother that married a third sister? Or could Elvira be one of
your
Luisas? I believe John Inclan is part of this group, perhaps he can shed
light on this mystery.

-Angelina-

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:40:58 -0700
From: "Angelina Markle"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco Munos de Nava
To:
Message-ID: <289AC5C836FF4394AAA5327D838689C7@ariel>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello Jaime,

In reference to your question "...is Maria Gonzalez and Maria Sanchez
the
same person?" Take a look at familysearch batch #F867689 sheet 042
Source
call #1396252 .... It shows Andres Munoz de Nava as son of Francisco
Munoz
de Nava and Maria Sanchez .... Then Maria Sanchez as being the daughter
of
Pedro de Huerta AND Maria Gonzales de Ruvalcaba!

Therefore it is quite possible that Maria Sanchez and Maria Gonzales are
the
same person ... Of course without seeing the actual documentation it is
just
conjecture, but it does seem plausible.

-Angelina-

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Hello research,

Does originario always mean birthplace?
I have run across a record that seems to say a child was "originario
de" one place and "nacido en" another place.

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
dose de Nob 1741 ... bautisé y puse oleo y chrisma á Severino Victorio
a los sinco dias de nacido originario del Pueblo de Teocaltichi del
Barrio de San Po y nacido en esta dicha hazienda, hijo legitimo de
Antonio de Salas y Pasquala de la Cruz, fueron sus padrinos Joseph
Maria y Maria Thereza

Does this suggest that the child's family lived in San Pablo
Teocaltiche but he was actually born and christened in Santiago?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

I was reading the last part of the e-mail where it states that if a mother could be a godmother.

In Emergency Cases only.

In Guanajuato I was told several cases by my grandmother that when a child was ill at birth and was not going to make it....they would call upon a priest to come over and baptize the child and the mother would be the godmother if there was no one else available.

Another case I was told.....if parents lived out in the ranch but the priest was in the pueblo and a child was ill.....they would send someone to go and get the priest and if the priest was not available due to another person being ill and definitely not going to make it.....the priest would send the message to tell the mother to get some water and the mother was to baptize that child if she was really sure that the child was passing away .After, the priest would arrive and finished the baptism and would stay there for the funeral if the child passed away If.....the child did not pass away and the mother had already baptized...the child could not be baptized again.

And I believe this is still the case till today but now you'll know there are friends a families all around.

Cortes

Geronimo Macias-Cobarrubias married Maria-Eduviges Cervantes-Zuniga on 08 Oct 1852, Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: rcordovamba@aol.com
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Sigue en espanol.

I am new to genealogy. I ordered my first film from my local family history center. I guessed about the year and the place. However, I was lucky and found a relative. I ordered baptism records from San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco (1855-1857).

Some members of Nuestros Ranchos have mentioned that they have transcribed records and post them here or that they have finished the records and post them here. Where are these records transcribed from? Does this entail reviewing films or going to the actual site to review original records?

Excuse my ignorance, but since I am reviewing this records anyway, how could I help the members of Nuestros Ranchos?

______

Soy nueva en genealogia. Ordene mi primer microfilm del centro de historia. No sabia cual ordenar ni siquera sabia la ciudad. Por fortuna encontre a un pariente. Ordene los records de bautizo de San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco de 1855 a 1857.

He visto que algunos miembros de Nuestros Ranchos han comentado que transcriben records o que los han terminado y luego los postean aqui. De donde provienen estos records? En que consiste esto, consiste en revisar los microfilmes o en ir al lugar donde estan los records originales y transcribirlos de alli?

Disculpen mi ignorancia, pero quisiera ayudar a los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos ya que si reviso un microfilme, tengo que leerlo de todos modos.

R Cordova

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Records
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Dear R..

?
The 3 films I transcribed were from Jerez Zacatecas and are in the film section.? I digitally photographed them but deleted each record and only kept the transcription.? The thousands of photo's I took were taking up too much room on my computer and it was the translation I was interested in. Everyone does them differently I would assume.. I only make copies of direct ancestors.
?
Linda in B.C.

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From: rcordovamba@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Records
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:07 AM

Sigue en espanol.

I am new to genealogy. I ordered my first film from my local family history center. I guessed about the year and the place. However, I was lucky and found a relative. I ordered baptism records from San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco (1855-1857).

Some members of Nuestros Ranchos have mentioned that they have transcribed records and post them here or that they have finished the records and post them here. Where are these records transcribed from? Does this entail reviewing films or going to the actual site to review original records?
Excuse my ignorance, but since I am reviewing this records anyway, how could I help the members of Nuestros Ranchos?
______

Soy nueva en genealogia. Ordene mi primer microfilm del centro de historia. No sabia cual ordenar ni siquera sabia la ciudad. Por fortuna encontre a un pariente. Ordene los records de bautizo de San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco de 1855 a 1857.

Is SalvadorCabral part of the NR group? I found this on Rootsweb and
wondered if I need to invite this person or if he/she is already part of
the group. Is this possibly you: Sylvia H Corona?

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:00:53 -0000
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Subject: Re: [MEX-ZACATECAS] Monte Escobedo/El Capulin de Los Ruiz
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Primera generación
1. -Francisco de Escobedo-1858 nació en 1485 en Villa de Laredo,
Provincia de Santander, España y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Villa de
Laredo, Provincia de Santander, España. Él murió en 1543 en Granada,
Espa-Francisco se casó (MRIN:541) -Beatriz de Garcia de Torres-1859.
-Beatriz nació en Villa de Laredo, Provincia de Santander, España y
tuvo su bautismo infantil en Villa de Laredo, Provincia de Santander,
España. Ella murió en Villa de Laredo, Provincia de Santander, Espa
Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

2 M i. -Hernando de Escobedo-1297.
3 M ii. Francisco de de Escobedo-2014.
4 M iii. Diego de Escobedo Y García de Torres-3278.
5 M iv. Gutiérrez de de Escobedo-2012.
6 M v. Cristóbal de Escobedo Y García de Torres-3348.7 F vi. Leonor de
Escobedo Y García de Torres-3347.
8 F vii. Ana de Escobedo Y García de Torres-3343.

Segunda generación
2. -Hernando de Escobedo-1297 (-Francisco) nació en Villa de Torrijos,
En Toledo, España y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Villa de Torrijos, En
Toledo, España. Él murió en Villa de Torrijos, En Toledo,
Espa-Hernando se casó (MRIN:539) -Leonor Juarez-1298. -Leonor nació en
Villa de Torrijos, En Toledo, España y tuvo su bautismo infantil en
Villa de Torrijos, En Toledo, España. Ella murió en Villa de Torrijos,
En Toledo, Espa
Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

9 M i. -Hernando de Escobedo-1295 nació en 1542/1546.

Tercera generación
9. -Hernando de Escobedo-1295 (-Hernando, -Francisco) nació en
1542/1546 en Maqueda Toledo, España y tuvo su bautismo infantil en
Maqueda Toledo, España. Él murió en Maqueda Toledo, Espa-Hernando se
casó (MRIN:536) -Mari Diaz-1296, hija de -Alfonso de Illescas-1304 y
-Bernardina de Diaz-1305 (MRIN:540), en 1568. -Mari nació en Villa de
Torrijos, Castilla España y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Villa de
Torrijos, En Toledo, España. Ella murió en Villa de Torrijos, En
Toledo, Espa
-Hernando y -Mari tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

10 M i. -Frrancisco de Escobedo Y Diaz-1293 nació en 1575 y murió el
24 Abril 1647.11 F ii. María Díaz de Escobedo-1596 nació en San Luis
Potosi y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Ella
murió en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, MexicMaría se casó (MRIN:664) Marcos
de Bustamante-1597 el 8 Febrero 1612 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Marcos nació en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico y tuvo su bautismo
infantil en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Él murió en Zacatecas,
Zacatecas, Mexi

Cuarta generación
10. -Frrancisco de Escobedo Y Diaz-1293 (-Hernando, -Hernando,
-Francisco) nació en 1575 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico y tuvo su
bautismo infantil en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Él murió el 24
Abril 1647 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico-Frrancisco se casó
(MRIN:501) -Maria de Covarrubias-1294, hija de Francisco de
Cobarrubias-2096 y Isabel Rodas de Rivas-3460 (MRIN:538), el 24 Abril
1647 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. -Maria nació en Zacatecas,
Zacatecas, Mexico y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Zacatecas, Zacatecas,
Mexico. Ella murió el 16 Octubre 1646 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:
12 F i. Maria de Cobarrubias-1588 nació en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas y
tuvo su bautismo infantil en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas. Ella murió en
Monte Escobedo Zacatecas.13 F ii. Ana de Escobedo-1591 nació en Monte
Escobedo Zacatecas y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Monte Escobedo
Zacatecas. Ella murió en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas.14 F iii. Francisca
de Cobarrubias-1592 nació en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas y tuvo su
bautismo infantil en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas. Ella murió en Monte
Escobedo Zacatecas.
15 M iv. Juan Capitan de Escobedo-1593.
16 F v. Antonia de Cobarrubias-1594 nació en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas y
tuvo su bautismo infantil en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas. Ella murió en
Monte Escobedo Zacatecas.
17 M vi. -Francisco de Escobedo Y Covarubias-1233 murió antes 1709.
18 M vii. Fernando de Escobedo-1595 nació en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas y
tuvo su bautismo infantil en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas. Él murió en
Monte Escobedo Zacatecas19 F viii. Francisca de Escobedo Y Diazy
Covarubias-3108.

Quinta generación
15. Juan Capitan de Escobedo-1593 (-Frrancisco de Escobedo Y Diaz,
-Hernando, -Hernando, -Francisco) nació en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas y
tuvo su bautismo infantil en Monte Escobedo Zacatecas. Él murió en
Monte Escobedo ZacatecasJuan se casó (MRIN:663) Teresa de Esparza-1862.
Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

Mexico Aguascalientes Catholic Church Records, Rincón de Romos.
Bautismos en la Parroquia de San José de Gracia, 1726-1762
(pilot.familysearch.org, images 1-221, image files 4340118_277-497)

... = omitted text
___ = unknown characters that are hidden in the gutter of the bound volume
( ) = text that is uncertain, or clarifying comments
<> = text from the margin

* = in database
+ = in database as research note only

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image filename 4340118_338.jpg

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
beinte y tres de Febrero 1738 ... bautise, puse oleo, y chrisma á
Joseph An_____ (probably Antonio), indio hijo legitimo de Christobal y
Juana, pasaxeros, fue su madrina Ana Phelipa (pasajeros - they were
passing through)

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
23 de Febrero 1738 ... Ana Maria, mulata hija legitima de Augustin
Garcia y Leonicia Marcela, vecinos en dicha hazienda, fueron sus
padrinos Joseph Garcia y Manuela Basques

+En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en beinte y tres de Febrero 1738 ... Maria Gertrudis, loba originaria
de dicha hazienda hija legitima de Juan de Salasar y Maria de la
Concepcion, vesinos de dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Ramon de
los Reyes y Maria Theresa

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte y quatro de Febrero 1738 ... Mauricia Polonia, india hija
legitima de Andres de la Cruz y Josepha, vecinos de el Pueblo de San
Joseph, originaria de dicho pueblo, fueron sus padrinos Christobal
Basques y Ugenia Figenia

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en nuebe de Marzo 1738 ... Ysidora de Jesus, india originaria del
Pueblo de San Joseph hija legitima de Vizente Santiago y Maria de los
Dolores, vecinos de dicho pueblo, fueron sus padrinos Barnabe Peres y
Francisca de Padua

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
nuebe de Marzo 1738 ... Pablo Casimiro, indio hijo de padres no
conocidos, originario de dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Xavier y
Juana de los Santos

image filename 4340118_339.jpg

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
dies de Marzo 1738 ... Antonio Casimiro, mulato originario de dicha
hazienda, hijo natural, fueron sus padrinos Bacilio de Luna y Maria
Magdalena

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte de Abril 1738 ... Joseph Joachin, indio originario de dicha
hazienda, hijo legitimo de (Flor)encio Martin y Ucevia de la Cruz,
indios, sirvientes de ella, fueron sus padrinos Juan de Salasar y
Maria de la Concepcion

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
beinte de Abril 1738 ... Juan Joseph, lobo originario de la dicha
hazienda hijo legitimo de J___ de la Cruz y Manuela Peres, vecinos de
dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Esteban Peres y Leonicia Marcela

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte de Abril 1738 ... Polonia Casilda, hija legitima de
Juan Vizente y Juana de la Cruz, fueron sus padrinos Favian y Brixida
Garcia

Marzo de 1739

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en dose de Marzo 1739 ... Maria Antonia, mulata originaria de dicha
hazienda hija legitima de Juan Antonio Martin y Pasquala de los Reyes,
fueron sus padrinos Christobal de la Cruz y Maria de la Cruz

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
dose de Marzo 1739 ... Joseph Anastacio, mulato originario de dicha
hazienda, hijo natural, fueron sus padrinos Miguel Carrasquilla y
Brígida García

image filename 4340118_340.jpg

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
beinte y dos de Junio 1739 ... Ana Maria, india originaria de la labor
de Gara____ hija legitima de Santiago de Luna y Maria de la
Encarnacion, indios sirvientes en dicha labor, fueron sus padrinos
Francisco Esparsa y Maria Guadalupe de __ Torre

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en beinte y dos de Junio 1739 ... Maria Bernarda, mulata originaria de
dicha hazienda hija legitima de Antonio Nabarro y Maria Isabel,
mulatos sirvientes de la expresada hazienda, fueron sus padrinos
Miguel Carrasquilla y M_ria Dolores

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en beinte y dos de Junio 1739 ... Maria Petra, india originaria de la
expresada hazienda, hija ___ de Ramon de los Reyes y Theresa de Jesus,
indios vecinos en la referiadicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Joseph
Caldera y Ana de la Cruz

+En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en ocho de Agosto 1739 ... Maria Victoria, mulata originaria de la
expresada hazienda hija legitima de Bernabe Peres y Francisca Paula,
vesinos en dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Luis Santiago y Maria
Magdalena

En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
ocho de Agosto 1739 ... Maria Josepha, india originaria de el
Montegrande, hija legitima de Andres y Francisca, vesinos de dicho
puesto, fue su madrina Ana Maria

image filename 4340118_341.jpg

*En la Hazienda de Santiago feligresia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
seis de Octubre 1739 ... Narciso Cipriano, indio originario de la
expresada hazienda hijo legitimo de Ygnacio Rodrigues y Maria de la
Cruz, fueron sus padrinos Domingo Soltano y Petra de la Cruz

Sigue en espanol.

I am new to genealogy. I ordered my first film from my local family history center. I guessed about the year and the place. However, I was lucky and found a relative. I ordered baptism records from San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco (1855-1857).

Some members of Nuestros Ranchos have mentioned that they have transcribed records and post them here or that they have finished the records and post them here. Where are these records transcribed from? Does this entail reviewing films or going to the actual site to review original records?

Excuse my ignorance, but since I am reviewing this records anyway, how could I help the members of Nuestros Ranchos?

______

Soy nueva en genealogia. Ordene mi primer microfilm del centro de historia. No sabia cual ordenar ni siquera sabia la ciudad. Por fortuna encontre a un pariente. Ordene los records de bautizo de San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco de 1855 a 1857.

He visto que algunos miembros de Nuestros Ranchos han comentado que transcriben records o que los han terminado y luego los postean aqui. De donde provienen estos records? En que consiste esto, consiste en revisar los microfilmes o en ir al lugar donde estan los records originales y transcribirlos de alli?

Disculpen mi ignorancia, pero quisiera ayudar a los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos ya que si reviso un microfilme, tengo que leerlo de todos modos.

R Cordova

Thank you all who went looking for this record, with your effort my question is answered and very complete.

I keep forgeting to write my name at the end of my posts, sorry. I will try my best on that.

I already have the pedigree for Honorio, and I have more now.

Regards, Leticia Leon

Hope this helps.

Campezina

The information comes from

http://www.mybajaguide.com/eng/destinations-history.php?id=3

"At this time, Mexicali was sparsely populated, with the exception of the area known as Algodones, inhabited mainly by the Cucapah tribe. The word Mexicali is a combination of “México” and “California”, coined in 1902 by Colonel Agustín Sanginez, the political chief of the Northern District. At one time, Mexicali was part of the Ensenada Municipality. The official date for the city’s foundation was March 14, 1903, and eleven years later the city became a municipality itself, forming its first city council.

Note: Some of the oldest families come from Algodones.

Apart from the municipal seat of Mexicali, the municipality of Mexicali is administratively subdivided into 14 boroughs (Spanish: delegaciones):

1. Los Algodones, located in the Valley Zone.
2. Bátaquez, located in the Valley Zone.
3. Cerro Prieto, located in the Urban Zone, is part of the Mexicali metropolitan area.
4. Venustiano Carranza, located in the Valley Zone.
5. Ciudad Morelos, informally known as Cuervos, located in the Valley Zone.
6. Colonias Nuevas, informally known as Km 57, located in the Valley Zone.
7. Progreso, located in the Urban Zone, is part of the Mexicali metropolitan area.
8. Ejido Hermosillo, located in the Valley Zone.
9. Estación Delta, located in the Valley Zone.
10. Guadalupe Victoria, informally known as Km 43, located in the Valley Zone.
11. González Ortega, informally known as Palaco, located in the Urban Zone, is part of the Mexicali metropolitan area.
12. Hechicera, located in the Valley Zone.
13. San Felipe, located in the Coastal Zone, to the south on the Gulf of California.
14. Benito Juárez, informally known as Tecolotes, located in the Valley Zone.

The former borough (delegación) of Compuertas is located in the eastern part of the city of Mexicali.

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Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that the family search pilot now has the Baja California Sur Catholic records 1750-1983 so it might help someone out there.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;…

Hello all! Could anybody look for my relative in the border crossing site? Since I am anable to subscribe I need help, please. I want info about Honorio or Onorio Escamilla, son to Lucas Escamilla Orozco and Maria Inés Leon Jaime, he was born around 1891 in Jesús María, Jal. or maybe Arandas, Jal.
My father says he, Onorio, crossed the border at least one time, got work in a milk farm in Texas. I don´t know at what age. I hope that name is easy to find since is a rare name. I imagine how good would it be if it is found with picture attached!
I appreciate any help. Thanks.

Hi Everyone,

I'm brand new to this forum and would like to know if there is anyone out there who is researching in the same area as I am? I live in Salt Lake City and go to the Family History Library once a week. I am very willing to help anyone out who needs it. I am hoping that there is someone who is familiar with this area of Jalisco and could give me a few pointers or useful historical info. Thanks.

elisaakamommy