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Maria Cortes

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Somos Primos May 2017

Dear Primos and Friends:

On April 26th, joyfully, I added my voice to the many that attending the Westminster City Council meeting. At issue was a resolution to approve an application for "The Mendez Historic Trail and Green Street Bideway Project."

Outside of Orange County, Califoria most people are not aware that the Mendez v. Westminster School District in California took place in 1947, SEVEN years BEFORE the well-known Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.
Kansas.

Both were about the educational civil rights of minority children, who in both cases were segregated into inferior schools. Mexican-heritage children were being placed in remedial Mexican schools through-out Orange County.

Those who spoke in favor of the resolution, were educators, long-term city residents, activists of all ages, even a mother with two small children, thanked the Mendez children, who were in attendance.

I served on the Westminster City General Plan Advisory Committee, and supported the idea of a bike trail, but it was the creativity of Sergio Contreras, past Mayor and current Council Member who saw the opportunity for bringing public visibily to the most important Civil Rights Case in our nation, and it took place right here in Westminster, Orange County California, not Kansas, and through the action of Latinos.

Since Somos Primos went online in Janary 2000, I have published 52 articls in some way connected to the "Mendez Case"< site:http://somosprimos.com > Enjoy.

Thank you to all who have sent information. If you sent me any information between April 27th and now, PLEASE send it again. My computer ate up emails that I was saving to include in the June issue.

God bless America . . . Mimi

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Jaime Holcombe has in his notes (edited):

3. Mariana de Ulloa, born c.1671, married c.1685 to Antonio Ruiz. Daughter Juana was christened in Teocaltiche 8 Sep 1686. Daughter Matiana Ruiz wed Luis de Ornelas y Pérez de Frías (MD Teocaltiche 22 June 1708):

Juan López de Elizalde y Becerra and María Burgueño

Mariana López---------------------------1-------Leonor López
md. Juan Pérez de Frías.........................md. Juan de Sepúlveda
Diego Pérez de Frías--------------------2-------Josefa de Sepulveda
md. Elena Sotomayor.............................md Capt. Pedro de Ulloa y Márquez
Melchora Pérez de Frías---------------- 3-------Mariana de Ulloa
md. José Ornelas................................md. Antonio Ruiz
el pretenso-----------------------------4-------la pretensa

Apparently the dispensa is dated 22 June 1708. I have not been able to locate it. Has anyone been able to locate it?

Thank you
Alex

I don't know much about them so it is difficult for me to figure out the complexity of their ties to Dona Petronilla de Gabai y Martin Navarro.

Bartholome Rodriguez de Aguascalientes la Cienegilla, marries first time with Theresa de (Rodriguez) Ponce 4 grado Dispensas And the second marriage with Thomasa de la Rosa Ulloa also with the 4 grado dispensa the two wifes are related.

Bartholome Rodriguez Baso 1675–Deceased • LTMV-QXX
cc. Thomasina de la Rosa Ulloa Sepulveda y Roxas 1672–Deceased • 979P-BLY
Marriage: 27 September 1703 Nochistlán, Nochistlán de Mejía, Zacatecas, México

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6QRS-YDG

There are about 12 pages of the Dispensa below starting around 22 September 1702, I could only read the following from Testigo Mathias Rubalcava

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJG3-Q

“Bartolome Rodriguez de Baxo vdo. De Teresa Ponce y Tomasa de la Rosa Ulloa hL de Pedro de Ulloa y Marquez, que al presenter tratan de contraer matrimonio son parientes en guartto grado de afinidad y por copula ilicita porque esta Theresa por que fue hL de Nicolas Ponze niet de Dona Juana de Siordia bisnieto de Maria Gabai y Teresa nieta de Martin Nabarro y de Dona Petronilla de Montesuma y ?????
//// de este Martin Nabarro y de Maria Rosa de Ulloa por que este Pedro de Ulloa Marquez es nieto de Maria Ruis de Esparsa bisnieto de Francisca Gabai y Teresa nieta de este otro Martin Nabarro y Petronilla Montesuma…..

While there are several family versions on Familysearch does anyone or has anyone put these pieces together yet. I my search for Juan Manuel Rodriguez born abt 1758 cc: Maria Petra Alonso I found a record for this couple back in 2015 and just today I saw someone added this dispensa in another record. Thanks for the help.
Theresa is about 22 or 23 years

Hola a todos:

Me pregunto si alguno de ustedes sabe quienes fueron los padres de Antonio de Cuéllar, casado en Aguascalientes en 1681 con doña Josefa Macías. Hace tiempo leí que aparecía como "hijo de la Iglesia" y que había crecido en la hacienda de Mariquita, en Encarnación de Díaz.

Me pregunto si existe algún documento posterior que de luz sobre su origen.

Gracias de antemano

Marcelina

Anybody in the group a Sánchez de Aldana? I saw this message and got
interested in this Colonial Genealogist publication. Has anyone read a
copy of it? Well its a long shot but thought I'd throw it out there for
consideration.



As always if you just happen to be a Sánchez de Aldana and one of your
lines just happens to be in the below listed publication make sure to
verify the information for yourself.



Don't take anything for granted.



joseph



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Your ancestor Jose Maria Urrutia, brother of the Manuel Urrutia you mentioned, was born 4 January 1816 in Chihuahua City, and was baptized 6 January 1816 as "Jose Mariano de Jesus Telesforo de los Reyes Urrutia [the IGI says "Orrutia" based on the handwriting] hijo legitimo de Jose Antonio Urrutia y de Doña Mariana Sánchez de Aldana, Españoles (LDS Film # 162665).   The Sánchez de Aldana family is an old family from Michoacán and Jalisco, whose descent from Leonel de Cervantes, Conquistador, is given in "The Colonial Genealogist"  Vol. III, No. 2 (New Series), October 1970, at pp. 73-79.

Hi,
I am trying to solve a couple of brickwalls in my family tree

Miguel Munguia, born in Tamazula, Jalisco in 1768 his father is Carlos Munguia and his mother Theresa de Coria.
his wife is Eufrasia Rosalia Castañeda daugther of Juan Peres Valdes and Maria Gertrudis de Siordia.

That is as far as I go there

On the other branch is Jose Barragan married on april 25, 1820 in Sayula, Jalisco with Maria Monica Cobian.

Monica´s mother is Nicolasa Michel and her father is Tomas Cobian.

I hope you can help me with this two branches, I am really stock there

Thanks for your help

Hola,

Estoy tratando de encontrar un par de piezas perdidas en mi árbol

Miguel Munguia, nacido en Tamazula, Jalisco en 1768 su padre es Carlos Munguia y su madre Theresa de Coria.
Su esposa es Eufrasia Rosalia Castañeda hija de Juan Peres Valdes y Maria Gertrudis de Siordia.

Por otro lado
Jose Barragan casado el 25 de 1820 en Sayula, Jalisco con Maria Monica Cobian
la mamá de Monica es Nicolasa Michel y su padre es Tomas Cobian.

Espero me puedan ayudar estoy atoradisima con estos dos y el sabado tengo una reunion de esa familia y les quiero enseñar el árbol lo mas completo posible

Se que con su ayuda lo puedo lograr, Muchas Gracias

Patty Haro

Anto buscando la Biblia....Historia Sagrada Antiguo Testamento para mi mama. No saven donde la puedo encontrar o alguien que tenga una y la quiera vender.

Gracias

Maria Cortes

maria.cortes@trin.net

my great grandmother felisitas coronado was born in october 19 1896 and was married in villa de cos zacatecas mexico to my great grandpa crescencio. her parents were after looking at various census reports marriage records etc looks to be a francisco coronado and or a emilia sanchez. francisco coronado was born in jalisco, mexico around 1869 and was married in zacatecas, mexico. his parents from what i can tell from reading was a romauldo coronado and or a maria gonzalez. im having a hard time finding anything out on romauldo coronados parents who was supposed to be a maria amat and or a andres coronado. andres coronado birth date was supposed to be about 1825 and or wife maria amat was about 1827.. can anyone have a look at my tree information in my files and or helps me ? thanks you to whomever can or points me in right direction. so far from help i found out from connecting other lines of family there may be a family member who lives near neon leon mexico who may or not be alive still and that got me excited so thank you again you all definitely made my day!! im trying to find parents relating to andres coronado and or a maria amat.

Does anyone know of any websites to look up documents online that is stored at the Real Audencia of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico?

Buen día a todos, he tratado de encontrar la dispensa matrimonial de Manuel
José Gómez y María de las Nieves de Salas sin éxito, ellos se se casaron el
el día 19 de agosto de 1753 en Santa María de los Lagos, Jalisco. ¿alguien
del grupo la tendrá ya localizada?.

De antemano gracias por su ayuda.

This is great news Daniel! Half of my Mexican ancestry comes from Sinaloa,
the other half is Jalisco. I have spent a great deal of time working on San
Ignacio records. Nothing is available prior to 1900 and I have been
informed by the City Offices to go to Culiacan for birth and death
registration. The office there has been quite helpful. I recently completed
a book on the life of my abuelita, Florencia Salazar Aguirre. I am happy
with the first half of her life story--in San Ignacio and the surrounding
ranchos. The rest of the story takes place in San Francisco California. Let
me know if you find other Sinaloa information of interest.
Juan Carrillo
rcafartista@gmail.com

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> some
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The Sinaloa Civil records are not currently online at neither Family Search nor Ancestry.com. I have read that the LDS church entered into an agreement with the State of Sinaloa in 2013 to microfilm them.

Does anyone know the status of this project?

George Fulton

Hola a todos,

¿Alguno de ustedes ha leído el libro "Autlán de la Grana. Población y Mestizaje" escrito por la Dra. Lilia Oliver y publicado en 2015?

Creo que es de gran ayuda para la historia y la genealogía de esa región.

¿Saben dónde puedo adquirir un ejemplar? Hasta ahora he buscado en librerías por Internet y no lo he encontrado.

Gracias de antemano,

Enrique Agraz

Hola Primos

I am asking for you expertise on the following; I have been looking all over for information regarding Martin de Esparza and Juan De Esparza (father and son). Juan de Esparza got married in Aguascalientes in 1752 with Ana Gertrudis Alonso De Los Hinojos (daughter of Manuel Alonso De Los Hinojos and Ma. Efigenia Ramirez). Juan de Esparza's parents were; Martin De Esparza and Manuela Preciado according to Juan's marriage record. Martin and Manuela had another son named Manuel Martin who was born in 1706 and died in 1790, there is a Juan Joseph Martin De Esparza in the Family search record, but it says "En El Sagrario Antes De La Asuncion" and I can't figure out how to get that record (What does Antes de la Asuncion means?). Now, if Juan De Esparza was married in 1752, I figure that he must have been born around 1724-1730. His marriage record establishes that he was from Calvillo and his son Joseph Santiago De Esparza married to Maria Munoz De La Barba in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco on 1791 was from the Villa De Aguascalientes. There are around four different Juanes in that same time period but only two from the Aguascalientes area the other two are from Cienega de Mata Ojuelos and Guanajuato and their mother was a Maria Concepcion not a Manuela. Which creates another problem since in 1731 a Jacinto Martin Esparza married to a Manuela de Luarca or Alorca (their son Manuel Martin died in 7 August 1748), There is a "De Esparza married to a Manuela De La Cruz which had a son named Po Juan De Esparza Cruz on 10 May 1725, and another Xacinto Martin De Esparza married to a Manuela de Los Reies on 18 August 1709. Now if Manuel Martin, Martin De Esparza and Manuela Preciado's son was born in 1706 according to his death record, that puts his parents birth around the 1675-1685's and the only Martins on that time period are Martin Ruiz De Esparza y Sotelo de Xaen and/or Xacinto Martin De Esparza (Matiana De Esparza with Alonso Martin), or were there any other Martin around that same time period? I will appreciate it very much if any of you could give me any information or any guide as to what should I do to resolve these missing links in order to complete my connection to the patriarch Lope Ruiz De Esparza. In advance I thank you.

Hola compañeros:

Todos estos días estoy revisando mi genealogía de la región de los Altos y es por eso que ahora me han surgido nuevos datos. Ahora tengo esta siguiente duda, acabo de descubrir que los padres de mi antepasado Dionisio de Estrada casado con María Guadalupe Martínez, fueron Antonio de Estrada y Teresa Pérez (Ramírez), gracias al acta de matrimonio que está fechada en 1742 en Ciudad Manuel Doblado.

También tengo su acta de bautismo fechada en 11 de Abril de 1717 en Ocotlán, ahí está como Dionisio Teodoro, español, hijo de Antonio de Estrada y Teresa Ramírez que nació en la Hierba Buena. Sus padrinos fueron Don Nicolás de Estrada, hijo de Don Nicolás de Estrada y María de la Mora y Doña María de Retamosa, hija de Juan Macías Valadez y Mariana Barba Coronado. Así está textualmente en dicha acta, mencionando los padres de los padrinos lo cual es nuevo para mí, nunca había visto un registro así.

No tengo más datos acerca si Dionisio pudo haber tenido hermanos, puesto no aparecen más actas, lo que sí es que creo que con la información de los padrinos se podría sacar algo. Alguien sabe que relación podrían tener los padrinos con el recién nacido? serían quizá tíos de él o sus abuelos?

Ahora la segunda pregunta es acerca de Nicolás Flores de Estrada y María de Solis de la Mora y Mendoza que se casaron en Ocotlán, el 25 de Diciembre de 1666, estoy buscando el acta original pero no la encuentro ¿Alguien sabrá quiénes fueron los padres de esta pareja o ha localizado su acta de matrimonio?

Muchas gracias de antemano,
Enrique Agraz

Hello, does anyone have information on the parents of Antonia Lomelin married to Joseph Ximenes? They had a son named Manuel Ximenes Lomelin born 08/04/1721 • Mexticacán. There is so much useful data on Carlo Lomellini on this site- who I am a descendant through Francisco Gutierres Rubio's lineage - son Lasaro and his son Lasaro....

I am researching my maternal Ximenes lineage and I was wondering if Antonia Lomelin is the granddaughter or great granddaughter of Carlo. I have not found her or Joseph's birth records, yet I recently began this specific research. I place their birth dates right around 1700 since Antonia and Joseph Ximenes had children from 1720-1750 recorded in Nochistlan; born in Mexticacan.

Cynthia Jimenez

Estimado Señores:

Ya por bastante tiempo he tenido interés en esta dama, María de Isla y Moctezuma casada con Andrés Martín Camacho; de aquí proviene las familias Martínez de Sotomayor o Martín de Sotomayor y pues por supuesto los Martín Camacho del Real y Minas de Sierra de Pinos. Quisiera saber si alguien ha probado la línea de María de Isla y Moctezuma, no he podido encontrar nada sobre ésta.

De esta pareja desciendo de su hijo del capitán Isidro Martín de Sotomayor casó a Josefa López de la Cerda hacia 1675 en Aguascalientes o Pinos.

Me pregunto dos cosas: ¿cómo si hay relación con la familias González de Isla o Isla de Nochistlán y porqué utiliza el apellido Moctezuma hay una conexción entre ésta y el emperador azteca?

Les envío mis saludos y gracias antemano,

Daniel Méndez Camino

No pedo encontran los registros civiles de nacimiento del area de Jilotlan de los Dolores del año 1867. Me podrian dar una idea donde puedo encontrar estos registros.

gracias

>
>
> Thank you for sharing your findings. I looked through the oldest
> marriages (Matrimonios 1644-1709, 1724-1750) in Venado, but there are gaps
> in the records. Have you had any luck in finding Catalina's marriage
> records?

> Maria
>

> -
>
> I am still in the process of trying to locate marriages for the children
> and
> locating older records. San Luis Potosi records for the most part have not
> been indexed. Catalina Rodriguez abt 1645 cc: Francisco Lopes -Joseph Lopes
> abt 1663 cc Ynes Solano Velasco M: 23 NOV 1682 Santa Maria De Los Lagos,
> Jal.
> -Nicolas Lopez abt 1661 cc Simona Martines1663 M: 05 OCT 1678 Venado,San
> Luis
> Potosi,Mexico Catalina Rodriguez abt 1645 cc: Diego de la Puente Children
> are
> as follows: Maria De La Puente cc Juan De Elizondo Muñoz 1670–Deceased •
> LZDH-QJN https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-WCC Antonio De
> La
> Puente cc Maria De La Cruz M: abt 1698 1675–Deceased • 9SQF-5GD
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-W8P Olalla Puente
> Rodrigues
> 1678–Deceased • 9SQL-5SC Joseph Francisco De La Puente cc: Antonia
> Gallegos (ovalle) M: 28 SEP 1707 Venado,San Luis Potosi,Mexico
> 1683–Deceased • MTY6-QXF
>
>

Please Help!

I descend from Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez

They are related "segundo grado" according to their marriage record. That would mean that they are first cousins. The record also states that there is a marriage dispensation, but I haven't found it. I have her ancestors but am having trouble finding his. I am not even sure if I am correctly reading his parents names. I would like to hear other members opinions as to his parent's names.

Here is the link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMSZ-P1?mode=g&i=158&wc=3J…

Joseph Husebio De Orosco
Spouse's Name Beatris Gutierres
Event Date 12 Jun 1752
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF3-WPV : 15 July 2015), Joseph Husebio De Orosco and Beatris Gutierres, 12 Jun 1752; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,517.

Plan B would be to get all her uncles and aunts families together and see if I can figure out how they are first cousins.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

i am praying that there is someone that can shed some light, my wife is 38 years old was never told who her father was, until recent being at 38 years old heart breaking, the infomation she obtain is his name is Jilberto Nolasco was in a reationship in Iraprato Guanajuato back in 1977 he work as a supervisor at DF federal carrilio for the people, he has a son around 13-14 years of age arounf the year 1978 i have been serching for him not sure if the first name is spelled correctly but i would like to make contact with sibblings on behalf of my wife or even if someone can direct me to research the artchve for the df carrill in guanajuato. thank you and please help me to have my wife reunite her with her family as she is hurt for all the years that have past and noit knowing who her dad was please help to bring this to a closure for her thank you and god bless

I have a Diego de la Puente married to Catalina López in my tree. I have
found 3 of their children: Ysabel born in 1683, Juana in 1684 and Joseph
Francisco born abt 1685 and baptized in San Sebastian, Venado, San Luis
Potosí. I would like to compare notes and see if this is the same Diego you
are researching.

Maria

> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 09:30:18 -0700 (PDT)
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas de la Puente Line
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> It seems almost all of the de la Puente (puente) lines are related. Each
> time
> I come across a de la Puente, I add to their line or keep it to see how
> they
> fit. I have Diego de la Puente and Rodrigues your relatives but have not
> found more records to confirm he is Thomas is son or relative. I came
> acroos
> him when I found Nicolas their son 21 Sep 1693 • San Sebastian,Venado,San
> Luis Potosi,Mexico. they have 13 children so far. based on the possible
> births I can look for their marriage record will let you when I find more.
> Your other relatives I have found but there seems to be two contreras and
> nicolas pretty sure they are the same only thing their sons are named
> nicolas
> and both have birthdates that are different. Will look to see if they are
> same.
>
>
>

I recently found the primary family I'm researching in Jalisco had moved over to "San Isidro, Apozol, Zacatecas" by the 1930 census. When I Google this, I keep getting a place called "Los Llamas."

Does anyone know anything of this rancho - San Isidro, Apozol? Does anyone have any contacts in that area?

I'm hitting a wall with death records, marriages. Several of the family members eventually went back to Villa Guerrero/Totatiche to marry, but I have some holes for that period between 1930 and 1950. One of the daughters and Magdalena, the mother, died later in Guadalajara.

I'd really like to get more recent than 1930, too. Here is the family.

Gumesindo Serrano, 55
Madalena Rios, 35
Ricardo Serrano, 15
Feliz Serrano, 12
Fransisco Serrano,10
Olibia Serrano, 6
Elena Serrano, 4

Gumersindo is the son of Jose Felix Serrano and the family traces back to Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman for generations.

Is any of this familiar to anyone?

Thanks!

En los libros de registros de la parroquia de Chilchota, se analizo que los indigenas era registrados en un libro aparte, los espanoles en otro libro aparte y las demas razas juntos con mulatos, mextizo etc...en otro libro.

Tambien se oberva que negros y mulatos llevaban el apellido "de la Cruz" que le fue impuesto por los espanoles para indentificarlos ya que no tenian un apellido anteriormente. A los mestizos les pusieron como apellido "de la Paz"

Hay veces, como en la esclava mulata de Juan Alvarez del Castillo, tenia una esclava que se llamaba Mariana de Lupiana - como ella era la esclava de su mujer, le pusieron "Lupiana" para identificarla como su propiedad.

So it appears that in the early church records of Chilchota, Michoacan, separate books were kept for those who were Spaniards, Indian, Mulattoes, and Mestizos.

It was also observed that black and mulatto slaves were given the last name of "de la Cruz" to identify them as they had not had a surname. With the mestizos, they gave them the last name of "de la Paz".

Sometimes, as in the case of Juan Alvarez del Castillo, he had a slave mulatto named Mariana de Lupiana. Since this slave belonged to his wife, she was given the last name of "Lupiana", which was his wife's last name - all done to indentify the slave as their property.