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Capitán Alonso Gonzalez de Rubalcava in Teocaltiche region

Buen dia
Mi nombre es Jesus Ramirez .
Me honra que me hayan aceptado como usuario miembro de la comunidad de Nuestros Ranchos y desde 2012 he dedicado un buen tiempo a la investigación genealógica de los apellidos Ramirez,Mena, Reynoso, Padilla, Gonzalez entre muchos otros que he encontrado.
Al mismo tiempo he intentado localizar pueblos que existieron en los siglos pasados y muchos aun aparecen en la geografía actual.
Estoy un poco confundido acerca del poblado "EL POTRERILLO" de donde provienen muchos de mis ancestros que aun no tengo la certeza de su situacion geografica actual o si ya no exista.
Agradeceria si alguien pudiera compartir alguna información que seria valiosisima.

Atentamente.
Jesus Ramirez.

This link I just found the other day and am posting here for others. The documents have not been transcribed so they need to be read through which can be slow going but they provide a good source of official and original sources for researching. http://archivohistorico.monterrey.gob.mx/index.php/coleccion/index

He leído que algunos historiadores mencionan que Francisco Rincón tuvo dos familias. Con una mujer desconocido tuvo por hijo a Juan Rincón de Vibar; y con María de Ortega tuvo a Agustín y a Pedro Rincón de Ortega.

El problema es que yo encontré que en el acta de matrimonio de Juan Rincón de Vibar con Catalina Pérez de Aguirre se menciona que Juan Rincón de Vibar es hijo de Francisco Rincón de Vibar y María de Ortega. Entonces mi duda es ¿Porqué algunos historiadores mencionan que es hijo de otro matrimonio? y lo mencionan como medio hermano de Agustín y Pedro.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2014/06/vast-genetic-diversity-am…

Some of Mexico’s indigenous groups are as genetically different from one another as Europeans from Chinese. Cosmopolitan Mexicans reflect these differences, which affect biomedical traits.

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

i'm wondering if anyone has information about the parents of my ancestors Antonio Macias Valades and Rita Gertrudis Baes. It says their parents are Salvador Macias Valades and Rosa Maria Macias and Cristobal Baes and Maria de las Niebes Paz. I found the death of Rosa Maria Macias and she doesnt have parents but i don't have anything on Cristobal Baes and Maria de las Niebes Paz or Salvador Macias valades.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCDS-J2D

Danny C. Alonso

My son's DNA is being done by ancestry. His father is Mexican. (I did my DNA and there is no indigenous...purely European). Not sure how I'd have his DNA registered as you mention below.Is it possible for you to email me?kllink@telus.net

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Dear Friends and Primos:

With so much talk about the importance of the Hispanic/Latino vote in the upcoming election, our presence still seems to be somewhat invisible, historically and currently.

There are several articles on that subject under United States.  Also, on the subject of invisibility, don't miss, the two articles, El
Vaquero: Missing in US History written by Joe Lopez.

The heritage project, The Spanish Presence in Americas Roots, SPAR is moving forward. I am serving as CEO, Co-chaired by Judge Edward Butler.
We will soon have a website in place.  We are trying to prove the historic presence of our antepasados in the history of the United States and the Americas.

Have you had your DNA done?  Do you have indigenous markers?  SPAR would love to hear from you. My maternal mitochondrial DNA is indigenous, plus I also have indigenous lines on my paternal side.  SPAR  would like to prove that we with southwestern Mexican heritage are living proof that the early history and foundation of the United States was  formed primarily by families of mixed southern Europeans and indigenous heritage.

SPAR welcomes interest, support, and involvement of any nature, a paragraph, a sentence, or a family story which emphasizes the fact of your mixed heritage would be very welcomed.  If you have questions, comments,  please email or call me:  Thank you for caring that our story be told.

Warmly, Mimi Lozano
mimilozano@aol.com
714-894-8161.

Somos Primos MARCH 2016 Table of Contents UNITED STATES Estados Unidos le debe todo a España Smithsonian Omits Hispanics In U.S. History Exhibit by Miguel Perez Smithsonian Internships Available for Latino Museum Specialization The Missing Hispanic in the U.S. Census Count by Felipe de Ortego y Gasca
Cartoon: Difference between Latino and Hispanic by Terry Blas"
Latinos in Hollywood: New Study Finds, Few Roles, Frequent Stereotypes

Boy Turns TV Winnings into Funds for Mariachi Program Beckman High student, Andrea Lopez, perfect AP score Spanish, one of 55 worldwide Where Are the Minority Professors? by Ben Myers
Storycorps: True to Their Words, students perform play of parents/ grandparents experiences The Latino Guide to Creating Family Histories by Dr. Julian Nava View from the Pier by Herman Sillas

Bittersweet Harvest: The Bracero Program 1942-1964 Tras Años De Espera Mariachi opera about 1950s labor camp in Oxnard, California is a big hit by Alicia Doyle Salinas hope to turn farm workers' children into computer scientists by Geoffrey Mohan, Proyecta 100,000 to Expand Economic Opportunities for U.S. and Mexican Citizens
        by Felipe de Orgego y Gasca
A Plan' to help SAVE Dr. Hector P. Garcia Center February 17th, 1929 -- LULAC founded

San Bernardino, California County Board of Supervisor official wants to Arm county workers Oklahoma Legalizes Arming Teachers and Staff on School Campuses States Renew Push for Guns in Schools More states allowing armed school staff University of California, Irvine's Black Student Union asks to abolish campus police Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S.
who overstay deadline to leave

The Hispanic Heritage Project has several copies available of Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal’s “Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.” If you are
interested in the nine- volume collection you may contact me at:
cmyturralde@gmail.com .We also have
completed imaging and posting online at our website, hh-p.org the Fondo
Colonial of the Parral Archive.Thank you for your support.Carlos Yturralde

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Para los siguientes miembros de Nuestros Ranchos; Felipe Michel, Jorge Michel, Roberto Michel y Julie Fernandez. En el ano 1519 con la llegada de Hernan Cortez a la conquista de Tenochtitlan llego entre ellos Don Diego de San Martin. El aparece en los Archivos Generales de Indias. Se catagoriza originario del norte de Espana por hablar un idioma Portuges o Gallego que son similares. Manda traer de Espana a su hijo Juan Michel Ordonez, hijo de Elvira Ordonez y Diego San Martin. En el ano 1529 sale en expedicion Nuno Beltran de Guzman a conquistar Jalisco. Entre ellos Juan Michel como caballero jinete del ejercito. Toma parte en varios combates y batallas para pacificar la region. Juan Michel esta en la Guerra del Mixton y en la fundacion de la primer Guadalajara, cerca de lo que hoy es Nochistlan, Zacatecas. En 1564 el Rey Felipe II otorga a Juan Michel escudo de armas, aparece en el Cedulario Heraldico de Conquistadores #107. Juan Michel Ordonez caso con Catalina Mena viuda de Fran. de la Mota, pero no tuvieron hijos varones. Juan Michel fue Alcalde regidor de Guad. en 1564. Juan Michel tuvo un hermano menor llamado Cristobal de Ordonez, hijo de mismos padres. Cristobal estuvo presente en la fundacion de la primer Guad. que despues mudaron al valle de Atemajac cerca de Tonala.El Franciscano Fray Antonio Tello en su libro "Cronica miscelanea de la santa provincia de Xalisco"1655 y el autor Matias de la Mota Padilla en su libro "HIstoria del reino de la Nueva Galicia en la America Septentrional"1742 nos relatan estos hechos. Cristobal de Ordonez caso con Francisca Ruizfarache 1568 y el fue Alcalde en Villa Purificacion 1569. Cristobal de Ordonez tuvo varios hijos, Francisco, Gabriel, Bartolome, Josefa, Agustina y Juan II Michel Ordonez Ruizfarache en honor a su hermano el conquistador. Este Juan II Michel Ordonez caso con Graciana Corona y tuvo hijos que fueron Esteban, Bartolome y Juan Francisco Michel Ordonez y Corona, nacio 1609 y caso con Luisa de Guzman.Sus hijos fueron Lucas, Antonio y Tomas Michel Ordonez y Guzman que nacio 1670 y se caso con Agustina de Vargas. Su hijo Fran. Michel Ordonez Escobar nacio abril 1694 en San Juan Amula Jal. y se caso con Manuela Lopez Bueso. Sus hijos Feliciano y Antonio y Tomas Michel Ordonez Lopez Bueso, este nacio 1732 en la Hacienda de Coatlan, Jal. y caso con Juana Uribe Covarrubias.
Su hijo Faustino Michel Uribe nacio 1761 y caso con Maria Estefana Gonzalez Monroy. Un hijo de ellos se llamo Jose Guadalupe Michel Gonz. nacio en Tenango, Jal. 1789 y caso en segundas nupcias con Bacilia Santana. Su hijo Fran. Michel Santana nacio En Tuxcacuesco, Jal. 1832 y caso con Evarista Santana 1852. Sus hijos Andres, Cecilio, Ignacio,Savina, Silvestre y Leandro Michel Santana que nacio 1868 San Juan Amula, Jal. y caso con Maria Flores. Sus hijos Ignacia, Cruz, Rafaela, Martin, Angel y Antonio que nacio 1900 en La Cienega, Jal. y caso con Inez Bautista, que fueron mis abuelos paternales.
Esta es mi rama por el lado Michel y cualquier de ustedes pueden conectar su rama a la mia en alguna generacion.

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

The defuncion of my 7x great grandfather Juan Aranda that died in 1782 says his parents were Pedro Aranda and Theresa Valadez. they probly were from around 1700 or so. Does anyone know who their parents are?

Danny C. Alonso

Hola,

Acabo de encontrar informacion parala dispensa matrimonial de Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes casado con Marcela (Marcelina) Ramos, viudo de Juana de Silva. En esta dispensa matrimonial Juan Joseph declaro que era de la ciudad de Madrid, en los Reinos de Castilla, y sus padres eran Phelipe de LLanos y Valdes y Angela de Agilera (Aguilera?). En dicha dispensa matrimonial tambien (de acuerdo con la declaracion de la madre de Marcelina Ramos-Estefania Ramos), se puede establecer sin duda alguna que JUANA DE SILVA NO ES JUANA DE AVILA. No se si es posible la existencia de dos Juan Joseph de llanos y Valdes? Uno de ellos casado con Marcelina Ramos y Juana de Silva, y el otro casado con Juana de Avila (de este matrimonio hay mucha descendencia). He visto en algunos arboles en linea que aseguran que el padre de Juan Joseph es Juan de Llanos y Valdes y Maria Diaz de Comparan, cual es la fuente documental que establecio dicha relacion? Es posible tambien que Juan Joseph haya sido casado tres veces y que la informacion sobre Juan de Llanos de Valdes y Maria Diaz de Comparan es erronea. La dispensa matrimonial es bastante clara.

saludos,

susana

Hello everyone,

I just found the marriage information for marriage dispensation from Juan Joseph de Llanos and Marcela (Marcellina) Ramos, widower of Juana de Silva. In this marriage dispensation Juan Joseph declared that he was from the city of Madrid, in the Kingdoms of Castile, and his parents were Felipe de LLanos y Valdes and Angela Agilera (Aguilera?). In this document , according to the declaration of the mother of Marcelina Ramos- Estefania Ramos, establishes without doubt that JUANA DE SILVA IS NOT JUANA DE AVILA. Is it possible the existence of two Juan Joseph Llanos y Valdes? One of them married to Marcelina Ramos and Juana de Silva, the other married Juana de Avila (this marriage there are many offspring). I've seen in some trees online that have the father of Juan Joseph is Juan de Llanos y Valdes and Maria Diaz de Comparan, which is the source that established this relationship? It is also possibe that Juan Joseph married three times and that the information about Juan de Llanos Valdes and Maria Diaz is erroneous. The matrimonial dispensation is quite clear.

Regards,

susana

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I'm curious if anyone has any information on this couple from Jerez, Zacatecas, Juan Antonio García and Adulfa Tadea Briceño. They would've married sometime around 1762. They had five children that I know of, all born in Jerez, Zacatecas between 1764 and 1774. Any information that anyone might have would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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Please cut and paste: http://somosprimos.com/sp2016/spmar16/spmar16.htm

Dear Friends and Primos:

With so much talk about the importance of the Hispanic/Latino vote in the upcoming election, our presence still seems to be somewhat invisible, historically and currently.

There are several articles on that subject under United States. Also, on the subject of invisibility, don't miss, the two articles, El
Vaquero: Missing in US History written by Joe Lopez.

The heritage project, The Spanish Presence in Americas Roots, SPAR is moving forward. I am serving as CEO, Co-chaired by Judge Edward Butler.
We will soon have a website in place. We are trying to prove the historic presence of our antepasados in the history of the United States and the Americas.

Have you had your DNA done? Do you have indigenous markers? SPAR would love to hear from you. My maternal mitochondrial DNA is indigenous, plus I also have indigenous lines on my paternal side. SPAR would like to prove that we with southwestern Mexican heritage are living proof that the early history and foundation of the United States was formed primarily by families of mixed southern Europeans and indigenous heritage.

SPAR welcomes interest, support, and involvement of any nature, a paragraph, a sentence, or a family story which emphasizes the fact of your mixed heritage would be very welcomed. If you have questions, comments, please email or call me: Thank you for caring that our story be told.

Warmly, Mimi Lozano
mimilozano@aol.com
714-894-8161.

Somos Primos MARCH 2016 Table of Contents UNITED STATES Estados Unidos le debe todo a España Smithsonian Omits Hispanics In U.S. History Exhibit by Miguel Perez Smithsonian Internships Available for Latino Museum Specialization The Missing Hispanic in the U.S. Census Count by Felipe de Ortego y Gasca
Cartoon: Difference between Latino and Hispanic by Terry Blas"
Latinos in Hollywood: New Study Finds, Few Roles, Frequent Stereotypes

Boy Turns TV Winnings into Funds for Mariachi Program Beckman High student, Andrea Lopez, perfect AP score Spanish, one of 55 worldwide Where Are the Minority Professors? by Ben Myers
Storycorps: True to Their Words, students perform play of parents/ grandparents experiences The Latino Guide to Creating Family Histories by Dr. Julian Nava View from the Pier by Herman Sillas

Bittersweet Harvest: The Bracero Program 1942-1964 Tras Años De Espera Mariachi opera about 1950s labor camp in Oxnard, California is a big hit by Alicia Doyle Salinas hope to turn farm workers' children into computer scientists by Geoffrey Mohan, Proyecta 100,000 to Expand Economic Opportunities for U.S. and Mexican Citizens
by Felipe de Orgego y Gasca
A Plan' to help SAVE Dr. Hector P. Garcia Center February 17th, 1929 -- LULAC founded

San Bernardino, California County Board of Supervisor official wants to Arm county workers Oklahoma Legalizes Arming Teachers and Staff on School Campuses States Renew Push for Guns in Schools More states allowing armed school staff University of California, Irvine's Black Student Union asks to abolish campus police Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S.
who overstay deadline to leave

MISSING US HISTORY - EL VAQUERO
Vaquero - A Proud Tradition by Jose Antonio Lopez Vaquero, A South Texas Legacy by Jose Antonio Lopez The Spanish Presence in Americas Roots

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Ethnic Studies Now!
Heritage Discovery Center
Runners' Club, Political activism
Chicano Week, February 2-8th
The Point of Chicano History Week is as a Commemorative

HISTORIC TIDBITS
February 10th, 1721 -- French castaway reaches Natchitoches February 2nd, 1874 - - Ursuline Academy Founded in Dallas

HISPANIC LEADERS
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National Hispanic Vietnam Veterans Memorial Clean-up Day in Los Angeles Post Card from Navy Commander (retired) Everett Alvarez, jr.
First Cavalry Division Airmobile, 2/7 D Company

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The American Revolution was a World War by Hon. Judge F. Butler Spain - USA
Bernardo de Galvez Award
Krueger Middle School Fife & Drum Corps
2016 Conference on Bernardo de Gálvez and Independence of the United States
Gálvez Opera Project
The Powder that Saved Fort Pitt by Joe Perez

SURNAMES
Don Juan Pablo Grijalva, Santa Ana, California History by Eddie Grijalva

DNA
We Are Cousins DNA Project
Las Villas del Norte Genealogical Group, Mission, Texas Female mtDNA Descendants of Isabel OLEA Could Thomas Jefferson's DNA Trail Reveal Middle-Eastern Origins?

FAMILY HISTORY
September 15-17th: Research trip to Salt Lake, all invited History at Home: A Guide to Genealogy by Andrea Davis
Highly recommended by high school student, Bailey Jansen Freedmen’s Bureau, More Than One Million Records Transcribed Family History in the Newspaper by Kimberly Powell St. Liberta, St. Quiteria and their Seven Sisters, Novtruplets by Refugio Fernandez

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Im trying to find who the parents are of the grandparents listed on this
baptism

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KM9T-G9

the paternal grandparents are Joaquin Martin del Campo and Luisa Leonor
Perez . Sometimes she goes by Luisa Leonor Perez Franco. I'm wondering If
anyone knows who their parents are. they probly were born around 1750. the
maternal grandparents are Juan Ibarra and Maria Antonia Martin de San Juan.
Im wondering if anyone knows who their parents are too

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking for information on this couple that married may 7 1803 named
Don Jose Maria Romo de Vivar and Guadalupe Martin del Campo. It doesn't
list his parents but her parents are Don Vicente Martin del Campo and Maria
Francisca something, I cant really tell. but I was wondering if anyone in
the Forum knows this couple or her parents. I cant find them on family
search or on the Wikitree or in Nuestros Ranchos. Does anyone know the
parents of Jose MAria Romo de Vivar or where Don Vicete Martin del Campo
fits in with the Martin del Campo family

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMSX-1Y

Danny C. Alonso

The discussion regarding the Nieto Corona's got me looking at my Nieto line which originates in Valle de Armadillo, SLP with Esteban Nieto and Ana Rodriguez she is also listed as Ana Diaz. One of their sons Agustin Nieto married 3 times. First to Angela del Castillo on 2 July 1691 in Armadillo, second to Felipa de Cervantes 11 September 1703 and lastly to my 6th great grandmother Maria de Villalobos on 11 February 1714 in Aguascalientes. From this couple I descend from two of their sons, Francisco Javier and Jose Agustin. Francisco Javier married Eugenia Ruiz de Esparza on 27 April 1755 in Aguascalientes. Jose Agustin married Rosalia Ruiz de Esparza (sister of Eugenia) on 3 June 1753 in Aguascalientes. Both Eugenia and Rosalia are daughters of Jose Miguel Ruiz de Esparza and Josefa Manuela de Chavez. Does anyone have information on the parents of Esteban Nieto and his wife Ana Rodriguez?

Thanks
Austin Perez

Soy descendiente de MIGUEL DE ALCALA Y MENDOZA ( Hurtado de Mendoza), hijo de Lucas de Alcalá y Orozco y Juana Aviña Hurtado de Mendoza, es una linea que aunque ya prácticamente completa me interesa compartir lo relacionado a estos personajes. También investigo el apellido Camberos siendo mi referente de ancestro JOSEPH MARTIN CAMBEROS MONTES DE OCA Y MARIA CLARA DE ARIAS Y MONROY. Asi como los apellidos de mis abuelos DIAZ DE SANTA ANNA originarios de Tecolotlán, Jalisco, los Jiménez de San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco. El apellido DE LEON, TABARES Y TAVAREZ de Degollado, Jalisco. Los Villaseñor descendientes del conquistador JUAN DE VILLASEÑOR Y OROZCO. Los Gutiérrez Guzmán de Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco. Y lo relacionado con THOMAS DE VILLANUEVA CERVANTES Y ANTONIA CASILDA CURIEL de Zapotlanejo, Jalisco. He ido integrando una investigación desde hace 3 años, mi experiencia es modesta pero espero compartir y seguir aprendiendo en la investigación de ancestros a los cuales atesoro los lazos de consanguinidad e historia que podemos tener de la familia por este medio de la Genealogía. Saludos y éxito a todos en su investigación.

Feliz día !

Hola primos y primas,

I have a question for those of you who are researching this line: are Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor, also known as Antonio Jimenez de Castañeda and Jacinta de las Ruelas?

On p63 of his "Cartas," Don Jaime Holcombe says in the early Pinos index, listed are Pedro Jimenez de Castañeda and Jacinta Martinez de Sotomayor. I’ve never seen him listed as “Jimenez,” nor her as “Martinez,” but this would logically establish her as a child of Andres Martin and Maria de Ruelas. He also points out how, on some records, he is called Antonio Jimenez, and then he mentions another couple in the appendix, “Antonio Jimenez de Castañeda y su esposa, Jacinta de las Ruelas.”

From dispensations, we know that Jacinta de las Ruelas, married to Antonio Jimenez de Castañeda, was daughter of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de Ruelas; are she and Jacinta de Sotomayor one and the same person, and would anybody have any information to verify this?

I don't descend from this line, but she is a collateral ancestor, and reconciling the 2 Jacinta's would clarify some things in my lines - and basically, rock my world.

Thanks for any assistance!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Agradeceré que me inscriba saludos

Feliz día !

In this dispensa there are two contreras mentioned of which I am searching the parents of Nicolas Contreras 1640 of Teocaltiche who married luebana and elvira luisa delgado tiscareno but the records do not have his parents.

Nicolas aside, this dispensa has the parents of maria de ulloa as mariana de ulloa vdo de Pedro (can't read the shorthand) and Francisco Contreras circa 1579 (there is a record in Tlaxcala for a francisco contreras born). the parents of Francisco Villa (not sure it is villasenor or something else) married to Beatris de Contreras. The following is the Dispensa

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6XS4-KT

If someone with a much better eye can either confirm or correct the names that I think I read, I would be much appreciative. Oh and if you can include where they are from.

Mariana de Ulloa's familysearch ID is L2NH-VVF. There is a record of mariana and a pedro contreras married but it is in 1679 too late for this one, but it could be a mistake need to locate marriage record of 26 Augu 1679 to confirm it is correct date.

Thanks for the help, Simona
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The word you are reading is "rasa" not "vasa." It is a term used in the
liempiza de sangre (purity of blood) documents where witnesses testify that
they know of no Jewish, Muslim or even Lutheran ancestry in the person's
family tree.

Stella Cardoza

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Danny thank you for the help and the interesting history of this couple! Not
sure if it is the same Thomas de la Puente, but he certainly fits the bill.
There is another one that is Tomas and Maria Ruis that are not them since
the children of Thomas and Maria Ruis are labelled Espl and there is another
record of tomas married to a sotomayor. I now have to find records of
marriages. As for this Dispensa that is not recorded in the marriage that I
could read 3 generations are given because they are 2nd cousins. I do have
them in my family as in-laws today, tomorrow they could be grandparents who
knows. Anyway, what was more interesting was the different testigos all
stating that the young couple did not know they were cousins but Esteban
Munos stated he overheard they were from his wife Xsabel Nieto. In the
beginning was the priest stating that they had been cleaned of their blood
"the limpiesa de sangre" de toda mala vasa de judios, Moros and they stated
this again and again. I had read it in books but not seen it written. Don't
know what Vasa means. Thanks again for your help here is the Dispensa. the
record ID for Ysabel de Carrion is 9QTN-HK8 ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y9D-8K

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Onafna

I've not see this name. Can someone give me some input on what some
possibilities are for this name? email me as well as replying to the group:
joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to read this death of Florentino Jaimes

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XK5W-JPX

and some of it doesn't really make sense when I try to use google to
translate it. Could someon tell me what this part means in English

el de la eucaristía no por la distancia, otorgo una memoria testamentaria,
su fecha en San Antonio de Buenavista, en doce de del corriente mes, en la
que ordena se de a las mandas forzosas a dos ___ a cada una, y que se digan
por su intención cincuenta misas; nombra por su albacea, a don Manuel Xaime

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to find the parents of Jose Justo Mirabal and Maria Nicolasa De
Orta that was married on January 8, 1804 in Santa Maria del Rio, San Luis
Potosi.

The marriage is supposed to be here but it doesn't work for me. Does it not
work for everyone or is it just me and if it isn't just me, does anyone
know this couple and who there parents are

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGGC-93XJ

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking for the parents of Manuel Mirabal and Guadalupe Baiza. There
marriage record wasn't onlne so I went to there IM and I cant find it in
this record cause I cant really read it. Could someone tell me the parents
of Manuel Mirabal and Guadalupe Baiza. thank you

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGG6-FHM

Danny C. Alonso