DNA Match at last!

AT long last....I have a promising DNA match!

Before I go off researching, I was hoping someone may already have some data on this family.
i am looking for birthdates and parents of:

Vincente Del Real, born about 1840, married to Maria Soledad Gutierrez about 1865 in Colotlan.
I have their first child - Maria Loreto Del Real, born Dec 1866.
Other offspring are:
Jose Ramon - 1869
Jose del Refugio - 1873
Maria Rita - 1879
Maria de Jesus - 1881
Juan guadalupe - 1883
Nicolas - 1888
Maria Refugia - 1892

Thank you in advance,
Roy

Research Digest, Vol 121, Issue 9

Thank you very much, I would look at the images.
Saludos
Ed Luna

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> I have this family too so appreciate tge conversation :) my question is
> about the use of "Don". I have seen it a lot on northern mexico and san
> luis potosi records on my husband's side. Thanks!
>> On Feb 19, 2016 11:34 AM, wrote:
>>
>> Good News the parents of blas were in the record of baptism of one of their
>> children, bad news they may not be the right names. Blas de Luna is listed
>> as
>> married to Teresa Gutierrez parents are AP: Maria del Rosario and Jose
>> Maria
>> Panteleon de Luna AM: Tomas Gutierrez and Luciana Estrada in other records
>> Maria del rosario is listed as married to Blas de Luna and Pedro de Luna,
>> Blas records attached but not Pedros then Jose Panteleon is listed with
>> someone else and the gutierrez were wrong. Getting all records and original
>> Images will help you to get the right names and see if it was the priest
>> (familysearch has to send to Mexico where they received their records and
>> it
>> could take forever for correction) If it is Familysearch they may change it
>> if they understand. They told me to just create the right names with
>> correct
>> genders on my grandfather Rafael (Rafaela) married to bentura (listed as
>> male). It was the priest who confused them and then their children putting
>> son married to mother etc. I have luna married to Delgado as second cousins
>> back in the 1650 haven't done further research. In reseaching a year ago I
>> found an interesting record don't remember if I saved it as I didn't think
>> I
>> had Lunas. This particular Luna was getting married and had Don before his
>> name and was Indian his father was a cacique. I will look to see if I saved
>> it since it was interesting history.
>>

Blas Luna Y Teresa Gutierres

Hola, primos y primas.

I just returned from Tepechitlan Zacatecas.
I am currently in Guadalajara, Jalisco. I am staying with family but there no internet. I meet a family that possibly might be my descendent. I am looking for the parents of Blas Luna and Teresa Gutierres. They had a son named Antonino Luna who married Maura Ruiz Garcia.
I did find Antonino and Marua on familysearch.org. I also found there children Santiago,Genoveva, Juanita,Jonita, but I cant find the parents of Blas Luna(De Luna)

Primos and primas do you happen to have any info on Blas Luna parents?

Gracias y saludos

Ed Luna

DNA Match at last!

AT long last....I have a promising DNA match!

Before I go off researching, I was hoping someone may already have some data on this family.
i am looking for birthdates and parents of:

Vincente Del Real, born about 1840, married to Maria Soledad Gutierrez about 1865 in Colotlan.
I have their first child - Maria Loreto Del Real, born Dec 1866.
Other offspring are:
Jose Ramon - 1869
Jose del Refugio - 1873
Maria Rita - 1879
Maria de Jesus - 1881
Juan guadalupe - 1883
Nicolas - 1888
Maria Refugia - 1892

Thank you in advance,
Roy

Beatriz Rodriguez (Frias) de Amaya married to Juan de la Cruz Bermejo

The following link is to a document I could not translate, but the little I could read is about beatris stating she is the legitimate wife of Juan de la Cruz and about the rancho he owned. I was curious to find this document in processo matrimoniales and didn't know what it was, still don't. I had been looking for the IM of Juan Rodriguez de Frias and Juana Lopez. It is about 10 pages can anyone help read it. I have rodriguez and amaya's in my line but have not linked them. Thanks!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TTS8-K

FW: Somos Primos January 2014

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Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:02 PM
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Subject: Somos Primos January 2014

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Dear Friends and Primos:

Happy New Year. The beginning of the year is always a reminder that we can start fresh, with resolutions to make changes, improving our lives and surroundings. With that same intent, you will see changes in both the format and articles included in Somos Primos. To facilitate reading, I've included more 2 and 3 column layouts and have limited the length of the issue.

Most of us have a general understanding of US history; but, I've added a new category, Historic Tidbits. This section will include little known historic facts. These tidbits will serve as reminders, and will be easy to share with others. The Tidbits can fortify and reinforce your individual efforts to clarify our historic presence in the development
of the United States. We are too many to be invisible . . .
understanding our presence is needed.

A recent comment on the televised history program, stated Collective Learning is what makes humans different from other animals. Something to think about. The ability to share what we have learned scientifically has produced changes so quickly that for many of us, it is difficult to keep up. Through the power of the Internet, sharing is at a state, never before imaged. In the late 40s, I remember party-line telephones, now each individual can connect virtually with the world on a little hand-held phone; but, what are we sharing?

I am really grateful for Cuentos being shared by readers. I read about courage, compassion and strength of character that drives individuals. I read about the love that we have for one another, the admiration, and the pride in the accomplishments of family members, or even someone with the same surname.. It is the accumulation of all our personal stories which explain who we are.

Please share your stories. They don't have to be long, but rather focused on a special, treasured memory, funny, sad, crazy, happenstance, tradition. There is a reason that you remember it.

For February, Valentine Month, it would be wonderful to share stories about your Abuelitos y Abuelitas, Tios y Tias, or your sweetheart, your children's successes. Maybe there is someone in your life, not necessarily a family member, but someone who made a difference in your life. . . honor their memory. Share it, as if you were telling a story. Your memory of them matters.

Larry Garza adds a spiritual vision, with a dimension is difficult to
grasp: "I believe the Internet is one of the greatest Breakthroughs in the history of the human race. It will be an eternal record until there is an apocalypse of the human race. Once it's on the Internet it becomes an eternal record."

God bless, Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS, January 2014

UNITED STATES
The Stories That Bind Us By Bruce Feiler, New York Times
Cuento: A letter from your future mother-in-law
Cuento: Happy Birthday Dr. Hector by Daisy Wanda Garcia
Cuento: Years of Advances, Some Miles Yet to Go by Daisy Wanda Garcia Latinos ready to become the next "greatest generation" by Larry Bystran Needed, a Hispanic Leader? by Carlos E. Cortés Radiobilingue.org celebrating 28 years The Power of Compassion by Shelley Hoss Love + Gratitude = Thanksgiving, by Juana Bordas The Border: A New Cultural Concept, Feb 20-22, 2014 NCLR, National Conference and Family Expo, July 19-22, 2014

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Hispanic discoveries and explorations in North America Los Principes celebran en Miami los 500 años de Ponce de Léon Rare Film From 1932 Voces Oral History Project Our Real Roots

HISPANIC LEADERS
Rudy Hernandez, Medal of Honor Recipient April 14, 1931 to December 21, 2013, Dies at 82 Dr. Jose R. Hinojosa, Emeritus Professor, August 7,1937-December 1937-Dec 3, 2013 Dies at 76= George Rodrigue, Cajun Artist, March 13, 1944 - December 21, 2013 Dies at 69 Sam Coronado, Artist, Cultural leader, 1946-November 13, 2013 Dies at
67

LATINO PATRIOTS
Bob Hope an Ansolute Must See
Navy Planning, Reminiscences of a Naval Aviator Recently on Texas Originals: Cleto Rodríguez Latina Style Magazine Military Rank

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Bernardo de Gálvez llama a las puertas del Capitolio

SURNAMES
De Apellido Pinzon por Angel Custodio Rebollo Capitan Manuel Nobles Canelas por Angel Custodio Rebollo

DNA
Americas' Natives Have European Roots by Ed Yong Study links gene variation to a darker view of life by Meeri Kim Our 2013 Expanded mtDNA Groups by Crispin Rendon

FAMILY HISTORY
Cuento: The Early Years by Daisy Wanda Garcia
Cuento: Serendipity from Abuelita by Marge Vallazza Alician Reunites with Sibling after 78 Years Apart, By Julie Neal How to Type Spanish Letters and Accents (á, é, í, ó, ú, ü, ñ, ¿, ¡)

EDUCATION
Stolen Education Documentary by Enrique Aleman Carlos Guerra Scholarship Awarded to 8 Students Bilingual Education Produces a More Diverse Mind and Society Roane County High School , Kingston , Tennessee

CULTURE
The “Toros de Fuego” and “Torito Pinto” by Eve A. Ma, Ph.D.

FRANCISCO LOPEZ (DE LA CERDA) AND FRANCISCA DE LOS ANGELES BAPTISMAL RECORD FOR MIGUEL

Maria T.

i think it is the same couple. Miguel lopez de la Cerda married Maria
Magdalena Lozano in 1635 so he probably was born around 1611. I
think your Francisco Lopez and Francisca Ramirez de los Angeles is probably
the right parents of Miguel Lopez de la Cerda. Her using Ramirez is a good
clue. Miguel is on the Wikitree here if you want to see the information
Austin has found on this family.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/L%C3%B3pez_de_la_Cerda-61

Danny C. Alonso

FRANCISCO LOPEZ (DE LA CERDA) AND FRANCISCA DE LOS ANGELES BAPTISMAL RECORD FOR MIGUEL

I came across 1611 Guadalajara baptismal record for a Migel Lopez, son of Francisco Lopez and Francisca Ramirez De Los Angeles. Would this be the same couple as parents of Agustin Lopez de La Cerda and Miguel Lopez de la Cerda? Don't know if others have come across this record and would like opinions. I am aware that in Agustin's marriage record in 1634, Francisco and Francisca are listed as living in Zacatecas. Any thoughts?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2LS6-JZ?mode=g&i=58&wc=3J6…

Maria T.

Genealogia de la familia Mendoza Austria Moctezuma / AGN

Buenas tardes,
Les paso este mensaje que me mandaron del AGN en la Cd. de México.
Saludos cordiales,
Victoriano Navarro

Apreciable usuario:

En febrero de 2016, durante su visita al Archivo General de la Nacion (AGN), podra conocer y disfrutar del documento original de la genealogia de la familia Mendoza Austria Moctezuma desde su origen hasta Baltazar de Mendoza Moctezuma.

En esta genealogia podra observar los nombres castellanos de los descendientes de los emperadores mexicas como es el caso de Cuauhtemoc que fue bautizado como Fernando Cortes Moctezuma; tomando el apellido del conquistador español.

La descendencia de Moctezuma tomo los apellidos de Mendoza, por el primer virrey de la Nueva Espana: Antonio de Mendoza; y el de Austria de los monarcas españoles, sin embargo tambien conservaron el Moctezuma como muestra de exaltar su linaje dinastico mexicano.

Si conoce algun documento del patrimonio documental del AGN que considere significativo para su divulgacion, envienos un correo con su referencia a difusion@agn.gob.mx

**Por cuestiones tecnicas, este correo se ha enviado sin acentos ortograficos**

Archivo General de la Nación
Eduardo Molina 113, esquina con Albañiles, (entrada por Héroe de Nacozari), colonia Penitenciaría Ampliación, delegación Venustiano Carranza, C. P. 15350, México, D. F.
Tel 5133 9900

Perez de Ortega

The following information on the children of Alonso Perez de Ortega may be posted elsewhere. If so, this will be old news. But since it clarifies several relationships, I want to share it just in case.

In the Municipal Archives of Leon, Guanajuato (see below) you can find an interesting case initiated by Hernando Galvan de Rojas against Alonso Perez de Ortega (the younger). Another related source can be found in the Morelia archives (Film 765586) re a 1655 lawsuit initiated by Lorenzo Ruiz Tostado in Zacatecas against the same Alonso the younger in Leon. These documents were key to unraveling some misinformation I had about the progeny of Alonso Perez de Ortega, el viejo.

Alonso Perez de Ortega, el viejo, had children from three relationships.

1. With Maria de Jerez, his first wife, he had Elvira (who married Lorenzo Ruiz Tostado), Alonso (b. 15 Jan 1617 and who I believe died young as I found no other mention of him), and Catalina (who married Pedro Yañez de Gamboa.) I am assuming Catalina was born of this marriage because on 8 Feb 1620 she and her father were godparents at a baptism. Maria de Jerez was the daughter of Rodrigo Muñoz.

2. With Luisa Vanegas de Figueroa, his second wife, he had Antonia (who entered the Convento de Jesus Maria in Mexico City), and Juana Perez de Ortega (who on 21 Apr 1653 married widower Hernando Galvan de Rojas, son of Alonso GDR and Juana de Salcedo), and other children unidentified. Luisa Vanegas de Figueroa was the daughter of Pedro Vanegas and Juana Bautista Cont/Conte.

3. With Maria Nuñez y Velez, whom he never married, he had Alonso Perez de Ortega the younger (who married Felipa de Anso) and Jacinta de Ortega (who married Francisco Macias Valadez). They were hijos naturales.

I descend from Hernando Galvan de Rojas and his first wife Antonia de Trujillo and it was in pursuit of his data that I came across the lawsuit mentioned above. It was dated 1661, but had been going on since 1653 shortly after he married Antonia. It involved her dowry and the fact that Alonso the younger had somehow taken over most of the estate of his deceased father.

Regards to all and I hope this helps someone.

Mary Lou Montagna

Municipal Archives of Leon, Guanajuato
Fondo: AM
Seccion J
Serie: c/o
Exp: 541
Folio: 20 Aug 1661
Ref Ant: Caja 1657-1659, ex 8

San Juan el fuerte, la piedad cadavas, Michoacan

Hello anyone has family in this area.

There are two Zambranao family i belong to there, Zambrano Hernandez 1889 and Zambrano Ayala 1892.

Zambrano Hernandez chidren move to ocotlan, Jalisco on a second marriage. Their children are Zambrano Zambrano and second marriage is Zambrano Moreno.

Zambrano moreno children were register by Antonio Zambrano the granparent.

Antonio Zambrano
Ma. Refugio Hernandez

Gabriel Zambrano First Marriage Vicenta Zambrano second Moreno.
15 oct 1900 civil

Maria Ciria Sebastiana Zambrano
25 Feb 1901

Maria Francisca Zambrano
11 Mar 1907

José Filomeno Antonio Zambrano
07 Jul 1894

Jose Pedro De JesUs Zambrano
25 Feb 1904

FW: Somos Primos February 2016

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http://somosprimos.com/sp2016/spfeb16/spfeb16.htm

Dear family, primos, and friends:
2016 is really starting out with a bang for Hispanic heritage activists.

Chicano Week, February 2-8: In 1985, Dr. Refugio Rochin, while at The Julian Samora Research Institute Michigan initiated a move for the state of Michigan to recognize February 2-8 as Chicano Week. He said during a telephone call that his goal was to promote more awareness of the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo February 2, 1848 as the point in time when Mexicans in the Southwest became Chicanos.

Thanks to the effort of Dr. Margarito Garcia, Rio Grande College, Texas, after years of lying dormant, Chicano Week has become relevant again.
On January 29, 2014, the State of Michigan House of Representatives passed Resolution No. 295 which declared February 2-8, 2014 once again, Chicano History Week in the State of Michigan.

Dr. Garcia, Rio Grande College, Texas has been advocating for all states, but in particular, all the states west of the Mississippi to also recognize Chicano Week. Let us hope that the movement grows because it will certainly clarify a history, whose lack of visibility has caused confusion concerning the Mexican presence in the Southwest.

For those interested in starting their family history research, Somos Primos in collaboration with Arturo Cuellar, on staff with FamilySearch.org and a LULAC member, is coordinating with his LULAC Council 44019 in Salt Lake, the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, and the Salt Lake Family History Library, to plan for a 3-day gathering, September 15-17, focused on support for Spanish heritage researcher. If you have always thought of searching your family history and have not, do plan on attending this event.

SPAR, The Spanish Presence in America's Roots is the name of the steering committee for a major effort to promote more awareness of the big gap in the history of the Spanish presence between 1500-1750. It is a 250 year Spanish presence which receives little coverage in US history, yet it was when our Spanish roots and blood were mingled and planted with our indigenous ancestors in the Americas.

During a recent conference call, committee member, Monica Smith, on the Tucson Presidio Board [whose ancestor Juan Manual Ortega served at the Tucson Presidio, 1790-1819] shared the fact that US currency which we all use daily is based on Spanish currency. Judge Edward Butler, SPAR co-chair with me, added that the United States first currency was Spanish currency.

So much to learn about our place in history . . . but together we can do it.
May the Lord Bless us in the effort . . . Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
Fate of civil rights leader’s clinic at risk by Natalia Contreras Educator Jaime Escalante Being Honored in US Postage Stamp Richard Montañez , first Latino to serve on Southern California Leadership Conference Board
ISLA: The Empowering Speaker's Bureau
Breath of Fire Latina Theater Ensemble
From Stilettos to the Stock Exchange by Tina Aldatz
33 Below: The Story of the Chilean Miners Four New 2016 American Latino Television Series My good friend, William F. Buckley Jr. by Gilberto Quezada Examples of City Governments' Action Against Christian's Civil Rights Here Are the Police Officers the Media Should Have Talked About in 2015 The United West Luis W. Alvarez, Ph.D.: The Nobel Prize in Physics 1968 US Congressman Ruben Hinojosa to retire in 2016 LULAC Applauds Confirmation of Luis Felipe Restrepo to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit Son Walter L. Alvarez, Ph.D. Geologist, theory on extinction of the dinosaurs La herencia española en las banderas y los escudos de los Estados Unidos Por Guillermo Carvajal

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Committee on the Spanish Presence in America's Roots Discovery Museum and Rancho Del Sueno Galvez Opera Celebrating Chicano History Week and not Hispanic Heritage Month, February 2-8th Arizona House of Representatives. 56th Legislature resolution HCR 2034 Chicano History Week

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Teddy Roosevelt and John Muir laid the groundwork for our National Park Service Descubren el asentamiento europeo más antiguo de Estados Unidos American Panorama: An Atlas of United States History The Black Legend according to Wikipedia Amazing Story about Morris "Moe" Berg

HISPANIC LEADERS
Tribute to Robert S. Weddle, Texas Historian, dies at 94 Joe Vargas Aguirre, Placentia, California Civil Rights Activist, dies at
91

LATINO AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Vets on Storytelling Mission
The National World War II Museum
Joe Sanchez salutes Army Sgt. Joseph Lemm

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
The ‘Other’ European Ally of the Continental Army By Hon. Edward F.
Butler, Sr.
Galvez Opera in the Planning Stages

SURNAMES
Blasones y Apellidos por Fernando Muñoz Altea

DNA
Revisiting Race in the Genomic Age
Defrosting a mummy reveals a lot about germs — and human history

FAMILY HISTORY
Five Steps to Verifying Online Genealogy Sources by Kimberly Powell, Genealogy Expert The Royal Basque Society of the Friends of the Country and America Wanting to Connect with Family Researchers in Mexico

Book Nueva Galicia

Hello,

Does anyone have the following book?
I have been trying to find the following book. I know that the author was himself selling the book, I was in the process of buying it but I lost contact with the author. If anyone has the book, please look if any information appears for PRIETO GALLARDO. Thank you

Aspirantes al Sacerdocio en el Obispado de Nueva Galicia. Sus genealogías ascendentes.

Bibliotecas y Archivos Colonial Libro
Autor o Editor:
Francisco Javier de Castaños y Cañedo
Época de interés:
Colonial
Editorial:
Editográfica Guadalajara, México

susana leniski

Year 1692 "Provincia Texas De Nueva Espana (Mexico)

I found this 3 page document which mentions "La Provincia de Texas of Nueva Espana (Mexico)." Year 1692.

That is the earliest I have seen the existence of Texas as a Province of Nueva Espana (Mexico) being mentioned. Supposeldy, Texas would be under the political jurisdiccion of "Real Audencia Government of Guadalajara, Jalisco (Nuevo Galicia), Mexico (Nueva Espana) and also under the Catholic Religious Order of the Bishop of Guadalajara, Jalisco Mexico.

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference No. MEXICO,66,R.2,N.2

Garibay Gutierrez

Antes que nada quiero presentarme ya que este es mi primer hilo, es un gusto estar aquí y espero poder compartir todo lo que pueda.

Dentro de mi investigación por la rama de los Garibay he llegado a un punto donde no he podido ir mas allá.

Espero y alguien pueda tener alguna dato o información del siguiente enlace matrimonio.

Rafael Garibay casado do Maria Ygnacia Gutierrez

(Hijo)-Francisco Garibay Gutierrez(nacido probablemente en 1804 en Zamora) casado con Maria Rosalia Garibay Estevez de la Mora (nacida en Cuquio alrededor de 1810)

De ahí para bajo tengo completada la descendencia pero no encuentro nada hacia arriba, las únicas pistas del nombre de los padres (Rafael Garibay casado do Maria Ygnacia Gutierrez) es por el registro de matrimonio entre Francisco Garibay Gutierrez y Rosalia Estevez de la Mora los cuales se casaron en Guadalajara 12 de Julio de 1827

Ya he buscado en los registros de bautizo (familysearch) de Zamora desde 1800 hasta 1806 y nada.

Mariana de Quero- Jerez

Hola,

Estoy buscando la fuente documental para conectar a Mariana de Quero (esposa de Gabriel Gonzalez) con Sebastian de (a)Quero y Ana (Isabel) Rojas (matrimonio 6-Nov 1619 Zacatecas, Zac). Ya encontre varios arboles en linea que indican que Mariana era hija de Sebastian; pero desgraciadamente ninguno de ellos indica la fuente documental que se utilizo para indicar que Mariana era hija de Sebastian.

Gracias de antemano

Susana

Hello,

I 'm looking for the documentary source of Mariana Quero ( Wife of Gabriel Gonzalez ) to connect her with Sebastian ( a)Quero and Ana ( Isabel ) Rojas ( marriage on November 6, 1619 in Zacatecas , Zac ) .I found several online trees that include information about them ; But unfortunately none of them indicates the documentary source that was used to indicate that Mariana was the daughter of Sebastian and Ana.

Thanks in advance

Susana

Possible ancestry of Phelipe Marquez de los Olivos of Colotlan

Phelipe Marquez de los Olivos and his wife Francisca Xaviera Sanchez are the ancestors of many families associated with Colotlan. I have had trouble tracing any solid ancestry for them, but I have accumulated some possibilities. I am hoping that by presenting them here, other researchers may be able to present other sources that may help confirm or refute these possibilities.

Phelipe Marquez de los Olivos’s father was a Joseph Marquez de los Olivos as shown by the following dispensa:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-57020-88?cc=1874591&wc…

This Joseph Marquez de los Olivos also appears in Holcombe’s notes page 174-175:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Dist…

“…Joseph Márquez de los Olivos is in the following “órden sacerdotal”:

Pedro Félix Bonilla rendered information in Zacatecas and Colotlán in 1779. Born in Colotlán 26 February 1743 his legitimate parents were Francisco Tadeo Bonilla and María Manuela Márquez de los Olivos (+). Paternal Grandparents: Salvador Bonilla and Rosa Saldaña. Maternal Grandparents: Felipe Márquez and Francisca Xaviera Sánchez, natives of Zacatecas. Paternal maternal Great Grandparents: Joseph Márquez de los Olivos and Gertrudis Rincón Berrótegui. Maternal-maternal Great Grandparents: Bartolomé Sánchez and Josepha Cabañas.”

Does anyone know how to look up the original “órden sacerdotal” document that Holcombe refers to here?

I know nothing more about Bartolome Sanchez and Josepha Cabanas, but a marriage record of Joseph Marquez de los Olivos and Gertrudis Rincon does exist as found here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-37615-36?cc=1874591&wc…

It shows that Joseph Marquez de los Olivos was a natural son of Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos and Luisa de Figueroa. Apart from his natural son, Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos was legitimately married to Maria Rincon widow of Capitan Joseph Martin Gallardo.

This is confirmed in the book:
La hacienda "Ciénega de Mata" de los Rincón Gallardo: un modelo excepcional de latifundio novohispano durante los siglos XVII y XVIII, by José Fernando Alcaide Aguilar, 2004.
Pages 66, 226, and 470.

An interesting note on page 470: footnote number 488 at the bottom of the page shows Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos becoming Alguacil Mayor de Juchipila and mentions him as the brother of a Diego Marquez de los Olivos. The record that footnote number 488 is referring to can be referenced at:

1. http://pares.mcu.es/
2. click on the tab labeled “Busqueda Sencilla,”
3. where it says “Buscar” type in “Miguel Marquez de los Olivos”
4. click Audiencia de Guadalajara
5. click CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: MIGUEL MARQUEZ DE LOS OLIVOS
6. click “Ver imagenes”

The problem is that I am not able to find where it mentions Diego Marquez de los Olivos.

In any event, the only Diego Marquez de los Olivos that I know of who fits this time period would be the Diego Marquez de los Olivos (1617-1672) who was the son of a Joseph Marquez de los Olivos and a Maria de Ornelas. Could this also mean that Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos is their son?

Holcombe only offers one clue to the parentage of Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos
In Holcombe’s letters page 174-175:

“He [referring to Capitan Miguel Márquez de los Olivos] was from Juchipila or Jalpa and a natural son of Captain X Márquez de los Olivos -- don’t recall the details.”

I wish he had recalled the details and I wish I knew what source he extracted this information from. Could this mean that (Capitan?) Joseph Marquez de los Olivos married Maria de Ornelas and had Diego Marquez de los Olivos, but also had a natural son Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos. Has anyone seen evidence of Joseph (husband of Maria de Ornelas) ever being a “Capitan”?

Anything further back becomes extremely sketchy. Holcombe only offers two possibilities to the parentage of Joseph Marquez de los Olivos (husband of Maria de Ornelas):

1. Holcombe’s letters Page 91:
“In the same volume of marriages from the Sagrario(Cathedral) parish in Mexico City (not microfilmed) … is this matrimony:

Entry No. 140: 2 July 1570. Joseph Márquez, a son of Joseph Márquez and Luisa de Acosta, and María de Lerma, daughter of Diego Hurtado and María de Lerma.. “Testigos fueron el Sr. canónigo García Machuca, sedero y Cristóbal Rodríguez Proaño.” Could be the parents of you know-who [referring to Joseph Marquez de los Olivos (husband of Maria de Ornelas)]. Suggest you see if pasajeros a Indias data for the parents of both is in the digests and look for christenings of the married couple’s children in the Sagrario, to see if they had a son Joseph (he’d be the third in a row). [If] … not in the Sagrario, try the Santa Veracruz parish.”

Petrona de Sotomayor

I'm trying to find the parents of Petrona de Sotomayor, the wife of
Bernardo Garcia de Leon, does anyone in the group know if Petrona de
Sotomayor that married Alvaro Marin de Peñalosa is the same Petrona de
Sotomayor that married Bernardo Garcia de Leon?

Paige

Descendientes de Juan Jose Manuel Hernandez Hernandez y Benedicta Bustos Hernandez de Arandas, Jalisco?

Hello rduni

I dont really speak spanish that well but I'm taking it in school but it
looks like your looking for information on the above couple and theres a
marriage for a Juan Jose Hernandes and Benedicta Bustos on June 12 1839.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZKM-48R

There's also baptism and it has the grandparents who are Manuel Hernandes
and MAriana Hernandes and hers are Josemaria Bustos and Luisa Hernandes

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NY96-TBB

Danny C. Alonso

Burgueño and Pérez Families

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I was reading the letters that Armando shared in the Dropbox and came across this part about the 1610 Census that talks about a María Rubio that married a Mr. Burgueño and then on number 6. it says a no name daughter married Diego Pérez and i wanted to know since the letters were wrote a long time ago if the no name daughter is now known because i think these people are probably the ancestors of my ancestor Sebastián Pérez who has a sister name María Burgueño

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pérez-521

The 1610 Lagos Census brings forth additional information on the López Ramírez and Macías Valadés lines. The three witnesses that name the inhabitants cite “María Rubio, viuda, sus yernos (sons-in-law) Luis López, Diego Pérez, Bartolomé Martín y Juan López de Liçardi; su hijo de más de 17 años, Francisco González.”
María Rubio married a Mr. Burgueño and these were her now known offspring:
3. María Burgueño, married to Juan López de Elizalde y Becerra, a son of Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza. She died in Lagos 12 Dec 1638.
4. Catalina Rubio married Luis López Ramírez, whom you know.
5. Ana Burgueño wed Bartolomé Martín. Have a christening on their child 27 Mar 1619.
6. A daughter N.N. married Diego Pérez, who died 12 July 1629. A son, Juan Pérez, is named.
7. Francisco González, born c. 1592.

Danny C. Alonso

Descendientes de Juan Jose Manuel Hernandez Hernandez y Benedicta Bustos Hernandez de Arandas, Jalisco?

Me gustaria saber si alguen es descendiente de

1. Juan Jose Hernandez Hernandez que
nacio posiblemente en 1814, Arandas, Jalisco.
y

2. Benedicta Bustos Hernandez que
nacio posiblemente en 1823, Arandas, Jalisco

Me gustaria localizar la fecha de su bautizo y
fallecimiento.

Mi abuela paterna era su hija Anastasia Bustos Hernandez
(1858-1916)

Gracias,

Miguel Marquez de los Olivos, Alguacil Mayor de Juchipila

Juchipila
(Archivo general de Indias, Guadalajara, 43,N 30) imagen 32/32)
Transcripcion textual por Dr. Moises Beutelspacher Huizar 10 /Enero 2016)
En cumpimiento de dicho remate y auto de aprobación, parece que la parte del dicho Capitan Miguel Marquez, enteró en mi Real caxa de esta mi corte, los dichos quinientos y cincuenta pesos de oro común en Reales, en que se remató el dicho Oficio, con mas lo que importó el derecho de la media anatta, como consta por certificar a mis jueces oficiales reales de ella, cuyo tenor es como se sigue = En la ciudad de Guadalaxara a cinco de Febrero de Mil y seicientos y sesenta años, se hace cargo al Sr General Don Diego de Salazar, de dichos quinientos y cincuenta pesos de oro común en Reales, que es la parte del Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos, en quien en la real almoneda que se hizo en veintisiete de Henero pasado de este presente año. Se remato el Oficio de Alguacil Mayor de la Provincia de Juchipilas, en dichos quiniento y cincuenta pesos en Reales pagados de contado, Enteró en esta real caxa según parece en billetes de Diego Perez de Rivera, se publicó R y de cabildo (en certificación) de lo cual dimos la presente dicho dia mes y año, dicho Don Diego de Salazar = Don Diego de la Rocha certificó a los juez privatico del Derecho de la mediana anatta, como en la Almoneda Real que se hizo el dia veintisiete de este presente mes de Henero como en el mejor y mayor Ponedor (postor).
Se remato en el Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos el Oficio de Alguacil Mayor de la Provincia de Juchipila en quinientos y cincuenta pesos de oro común en Reales de contado.

* (La Anata es un antiguo impuesto colonial español instaurado por real cédula el 22 de mayo de 1631. Generalmente el impuesto no se aplicaba en su totalidad, sino que satisfacía la mitad de la renta del primer año. Es por esta razón por lo que se suele denominar a este impuesto como media anata, aunque se pueden encontrar casos en los que se cobraron anatas completas.cabe recordar que esta se cobraba por el uso de los títulos nobiliarios., fuente google)