Nuestros Ranchos Site

Daniel, Jaime, Carolyn, et al

There is no doubt that this is an important piece of the puzzle. It links Antonio de Castañeda to his grandparents Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor and adds a few more bits of information to the Castañeda legacy. The Dispensa Matrimonial you provided confirms that Antonio de Castañeda was indeed the son of Nicolás de Castañeda and Ana de Vargas Moriano, and a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda. Here is the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-82663-43?cc=1874591&wc…

As soon as I get some time I'll follow up with more details on the Castañeda from Sierra de Pinos. So far I haven't been able to find any info. on Blas Nieto, the legitimate brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor. The oldest Nieto in my database is Pedro Nieto Corona, who married María de Castañeda ca.1676. I haven't identified her parents, but feel pretty certain that she belongs to the same Castañeda family from Sierra de Pinos.

Let me know what you think.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

Bill, Jaime, Carolyn et. al.
I believe I have found another piece of the puzzle with the Castañeda family. The following: In a dispensa that can be found for the years 1710-1712, image 489 we find the following information:

Sierra de Pìnos - Nicolás de Castañeda y María Gómez Ruíz

It mentions that Nicolás is a native of Sierra de Pinos as well as María Gómez. They share a 4th and 3rd degree of consanguinity. He is the son of Antonio de Castañeda and Tomasa de Carrión; she is the daughter of Matías Gómez and Isabel Ruíz; The genealogy is not fully mentioned, the only information the witnesses give is that both are "bisnietos de dos hermanos carnales"
According to the dispensation, Antonio de Castañeda is the grandson of Pedro de Castañeda and María Gómez is the great grandaughter of Jacinta de Sotomayor. It also mentions that Jacinta was a sister to Blas Nieto. My question is the following: is Blas Nieto somehow related to the Nieto Corona family? This would put all these individuals at the beginning to the first quarter of the XVII century in Aguascalientes-Pinos region.
I hope this will shed forth even more light on this genealogy,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Can someone please translate this document to me.It's not that im lazy i just try really hard to read it and just cant figure out what it says so if anyone can please help me.

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:05 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Anthropolo​gical Genetic Genealogy: Castas, DNA, and Identity

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: Castas, DNA, and Identity. If you would like to learn more about the Castas system and its role on Identity through the analysis of genetic genealogy then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on November 7 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Osher program. The class number is 19486.

To register for this Osher class go to the following link:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=64486&int_category_id=18&int_sub_category_id=189&int_catalog_id=0

or

* Call: 505-277-0077, press option 1
* In person: M-F, 8:00am - 5:00pm,
1634 University Blvd. NE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Best Regards,

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

P.S. For more information contact Angel.

Today, I was looking at the microfilm of “Escrituras 1691 – 1638” Microfilm No. 0169054 at the LDS Family History Center.

I only got through 1/4 of the film or 292 pages. The pages are not numbered so I manually kept track on what page I am on so I can quickly get to there if I want to make copies of certain pages.

I got to year 1692 and saw Zacatecas, mention almost all the time. But I was reading a lot on the “conflict” de Juan Ambrosio Martin vs B D(Don?) Nicolas Medrano. A denuncio. It seems like there was some kind of conflict over the minas of “Concepcion” and “Vetagrande.” The pages always started out with “En La Ciudad Zacatecas ante La Justicia” for instance. Other names I read were “Doctor Don Ignacio De Acevedo y Guzman” “Juan Antonio Perez De Banos (Barrios?). A line noted, “Los ricos metals que lluebaban los duenos de la mina Concepcion.” “La Mina Del Fern? Al Feres”
“En La Ciudad Zacatecas 8 de Junio 1692 ante N? Vicario Juez, parecio Joseph De Arsinico Mulatto Libre vez De La Veta Grande.” “Le costaron 29 del corriente sobre pleito de la minas del eterno Veta Grande.”

In another line it said, “Parecio El Capp Don Josoe Gato.” It seems like a trail at the Juez of the City of Zacatecas was going on over the owners of the mines of Concepcion and Vetagrande. And they had testimonies (testimonies) by several people. Another line said, “Ante del referida a robar las metals de la mina de Concepcion entre los cuales se llebaron un testigo una barra de seis pcony que se abia quedado dentro la mina.” Another name mentioned is “Mateo De Bonilla.” Then it mentioned “Inquisition” and “Execucion.”

On page 292 I came across “La Hacienda De Palomas” de la jurisdiction de “Juichipila” in the year 1695. I was stunned because it gave a very detailed description of the properties (Palomas, Sienega, Ojo Del Carretero y La Parada), the house with such detail such as the doors, paintings, cadenas, llaves, plata de china, etc. for the next two pages! Then following that is the Escrituras with the “Sello of Terced” The herraderos are “Medina Herrera” I could have made copies but the only copier/scanner was occupied by someone until closing time.
I am looking for “Rancho Palmitos” of Minillas, Mezquitic, that my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera owned in 1698. That is my main interest and I feel like I am getting close. But the whole microfilm is so interesting to read that if I get stuck reading all of it I would take a long time to get to 1698 where supposedly there are Escrituras of what my GGGGGGG Grandfather owned.

Now I have to wait until Wednesday night when when the LDS Family History Center is open or next Saturday during the day

I would like to add the original message from Carlos at the bottom of this
message and encourage members to give to this worth project. I’m
contributing now, having forgotten to do so earlier. Will some of you that
haven’t already join me?

joseph

From: Nancy Yturralde [mailto:nancyyturralde@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 1:30 AM
Subject: Update of Projects

Before I give an update on our imaging project I would like to express our
appreciation to all who have helped with our Fojas Perdidas Project.
Without your financial donations and voluntary hours we would not be where
we are today.

As of now our plans to image some missing parish records are on hold. The
Bishop did not give us approval; he said, “not right now.” We are
workinging with FamilySearch to get the diocese copies of records they do
not have, so this should keep the door open. Meanwhile we have started
imaging the Fondo Colonial of the Archivo Histórico Municipal and at the
same time we are in communication with the folks at the Office of Digital
Innovation and Stewardship, University of Arizona Libraries for their
assistance in the placement of our project online.

While in Valle de Allende the Jornadas Vivistas was taking place in Parral
as well as the opening ceremonies for Viva Chihuahua in el Valle which
brought people from all over Chihuahua as well as the States. You cannot
believe the positive comments that were made when they learned what we were
doing. We received donations of books from Jesus Vargas and Alvaro Canales
Santos. Cantante Polo Montanez made a donation of some CD’s of his
canciones de pueblo Chihuahuaneses. The Instituto Chihuahuense de la
Cultura donated to our Project a generous portion of Journadas Vivistas
posters.

For those of you who were able to give a donation of time or money we would
like to send you the CD of Polo Martinez or the poster of the Journadas
Vivistas as a token of appreciation If you would like one of these items
sent to you please indicate which one along with your address. We can also
send it to a friend as a gift from you. To preview these items check out
our home page to see the poster and the following link to listen to one of
Polo’s songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNvQCsJm8P4. Should you desire an
additional poster or CD they are $25 for the poster and $8.00 for the CD.
The price includes postage. Once again thank you so very much.

=================================================================

Please call Carlos Yturralde and let him know we are interested in this
project.

From: Carlos Yturralde [mailto:
cmyturralde@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:54 PM
To: Clean@h2opodcast.com
Subject: Fojas Perdidas

Hi Joseph,
The Hispanic Heritage Project has just started a project called “Fojas
Perdidas.” We as researchers will come against a wall where the paper trail
has come to an abrupt end where there are no records. Our quest is to find
those records.
For those of us who are doing Hispanic research in Mexico, we use
FamilySearch, which is our greatest source of information. We are eternally
grateful for the work that the Utah Genealogy Society has done in
microfilming the Catholic sacramental records as well as the Priest who
diligently recorded that history. We likewise are indebted to FamilySearch
in digitizing those records and continuing imaging more records and having
access to those images online.
What most researchers are not aware of is that when the Utah Genealogy
Society microfilmed the parish records, they filmed the copies that were
kept in the diocese. As is the practice, the Church requires each parish to
create two copies. One is kept at the parish and the other sent to the
diocese archive. We have found that sometimes not all the copies made their
way to the diocese and are still in the parishes not yet filmed or imaged.
These are the missing records we shall find and image. In a few cases there
were small parishes that were not filed at all. Our goal is to identify
those fojas perdidas and work to get them online.
This requires a small pueblito. We have a volunteer camera operator to image
the records, but we need volunteers to create tables of content of the
images that are online. Then the camera operator can use it to identify the
missing records so they can then be imaged and made available on
FamilySearch. Since one of the areas we are looking into is Jalisco we are
hoping maybe Nuestros Ranchos would join our effort. Give it some thought
and if you think that is possible please give me a call.
Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-484-6528

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21043

so far i only have four there. i used to have some other ones posted there but a while back family search made some changes and merged some collections together into one, so i had to remove some of them in order to fix them and then later upload them.

Hola,

Estoy buscando información acerca de Pedro de Chirriaga y Luisa Ortiz. Su hija Luisa de Chirriaga caso con Pedro del Muro Salas en 1662 en Aguascalientes. No he podido encontrar ninguna información acerca del matrimonio Chirriaga Ortiz. Gracias de antemano.

Susana

Hello,

I'm looking some information about Pedro de Chirriaga and Luisa Ortiz. Their daughter Luisa de Chirriaga married Pedro del Muro Salas in 1662 in Aguascalientes. I haven't been able to find any information about the couple Chirriaga-Ortiz. Thanks in advance

Susana

Hola,

Estoy buscando información acerca de Pedro de Chirriaga y Luisa Ortiz. Su hija Luisa de Chirriaga caso con Pedro del Muro Salas en 1662 en Aguascalientes. No he podido encontrar ninguna información acerca del matrimonio Chirriaga Ortiz. Gracias de antemano.

Susana

Hello,

I'm looking some information about Pedro de Chirriaga and Luisa Ortiz. Their daughter Luisa de Chirriaga married Pedro del Muro Salas in 1662 in Aguascalientes. I haven't been able to find any information about the couple Chirriaga-Ortiz. Thanks in advance

Susana

https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomalTransfer?atdna=TOgen0Blg3kTyx0Yg…

Hola,

Este es mi segundo mensaje al respecto. Estoy tratando de conectar a los Anda Altamirano de Jerez Zacatecas, con los de Lagos de Moreno. Encontré en el libro de "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" del autor Mariano Gonzalez-Leal que entre los hijos del Capitan Juan de Anda Altamirano y Juana Ruiz se encuentra Isabel Anda Altamirano casada con Francisco Prieto Gallardo (el 20 de enero de 1659 en Teocaltiche)que mas tarde se trasladaron a la zona de Jerez (linea de la que desciendo). En dicho libro no se menciona la fuente para dicha conexión, ya que el matrimonio no incluye el nombre de los padres de Isabel. Asimismo encontré la muerte de su padre Juan de Anda y dice que no hizo testamento. Ya también revise los bautizos de Lagos, y no encontré el de Isabel.

Dicha conexión la encontré en algunos mensajes dentro de este foro, asegurando que Isabel Anda es hija de Juan de Anda; pero desgraciadamente ninguno de los mensajes incluye la fuente documental.

Agradecería mucho CUALQUIER información al respecto

Gracias de antemano

Susana Leniski

I need help reading a document. The handwriting in this document is very difficult to read. Is there someone that could help me? It's the marriage record of Esteban Franco on the 8th of October 1736. The document is on the left hand side of the page. I would really appreciate any help. Thank you.
Anita R.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-65953-5?cc=1874591&wc=…

, si tengo copias de sus meritos ,, y puse la foto copia en este portal ..... su s, s, J Octavio gomez , y por favor ignacio anaya gomez , no te metas a poner informacion de lo cual no saves nada ,,, o de robartela para despues ponerla en nuestros ranchos ...como si fuera tuya ,,,, O y los abuelos de remijia gomez , tu madre , fue jose remijio gomez , de ameca jal .... no de tenamaxtlan , como lo alteraste ,,, o de atengo jal , como lo tenia registrado , cristian newton gomez y le robaste su trabajo ,,,,, busca tu propia genealogia y deja de andar robandote el trabajo de otros !!!!!!

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Hi fellow researchers

This past Monday I came across a folder in PARES from 1583. It's about some property of Diego Arias Sotelo to which someone lays claim. My Spanish is not good enough to get much out of it, but there is a statement by Christobal Sotelo Montezuma (he swears by the four Saints and the Holy Cross and others, rather dramatic), and list of some of Diego's property. Diego is referred to as regidor of la Ciudad de Mexico and as "natural" of the villa de San Miguel de Ribera (north of Salamanca and southeast of Zamora). This document is from 1583, and since Diego signed a letter in Febr. 1582, this places his death to between the date of the letter, and the date of this document. The writing is not difficult to read, so I hope someone will take a look at it and see if there is anything new to add to Diego Arias de Sotelo's story.

It never works for me to save a link to a particular image in Pares, so I have made a pdf document with screendumps that show how I found the document, and three screendumps from the document itself, so anyone who is interested should be able to find it in PARES. The pdf document is in the File Folder (Member Genealogy Files) here in NR under the name "Diego Arias Sotelo regidor" - see under "D".

Regards,
Denise

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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:49 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos November 2014

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2014/spnov14/spnov14.htm

Dear Friends and Primos:

Thank you for a great year of receiving your cuentos, interesting assortment of articles, tidbits, news items, book reviews, etc. It has been a joy to share your thoughts and life experiences. It appears that Somos Primos, in its 15th year as an online publications, is part of a public history movement across the country which was started by social historians about 50 years ago. Public history studies the experiences of every day people in the past. The importance of gathering Joe and Jane Smith's history has now expanded to include an interest in Joe and Juana Garcia's history. The Internet and World Wide Web is facilitating and expediting public history gathering. You are part of the effort.
I intended Somos Primos to be a easy site for sharing our Latino heritage. You may not feel you have a book to write, but you do have events which shaped you. Please write, share your unique life memories, what you learned along the way. Write, to honor your ancestors. Write,
for your descendents to know you. Write, so Latinos will have a
recognized presence in history. You are special. You are you, and no one else has experienced being you.
I hope you all enjoyed observing Hispanic Heritage Month in some special activity or event. If you attended or organized an event, please send photos and a paragraph or two, who, what, when, where the event took place.
The fall holidays are here. Having just completed Halloween activities, in November we have the opportunity to celebrate our Hispanic culture in Dia de los Muertos and our American culture in Thanksgivings Day activities. We can also look forward to Christmas in December, and if a Jewish line has been discovered, Chanukah too. Perhaps, past celebrations will trigger a memory to share.
Through the yearly observations of these holidays, comes an awareness that physical life is fleeting, there is an Almighty Heavenly Father, and the family unit is precious. Please feel invited to send stories, thoughts and photos for the December issue.
Under Culture, I've included information about a Calaveras Poetry contest that I helped organized 20 years ago. It is not too late to write a 2014 Calaveras, and if you do, please do send it along. I wrote a Calavera for inclusion in the article.
God bless, Mimi
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I am very interested in this information.  I have worked on my Femat tree that brought me to Monica Romo de Vivar.  Going through her line I came across some of this information but I became confused at Diego Romo de Vivar as there are so many with the same name and some brothers married the same woman.  I was very confused.  I am very happy to see some information on that line.  I just hope someone can help me connect the Romo de Vivar line.

Congratulations ! Padre Casimiro Serna Esqueda, best wishes and prayers.

The Bishop of Aguascalientes, Jose Maria de la Torre Martín, announced further changes and castling in parishes of the diocese, which he said are badly needed for better care for the Catholic faithful. As part of changes announced the appointment of priest Casimiro Serna as Canon of the Cathedral, after serving the parish of Sagrada Familia, Ags. Ags. Now also celebrates 75 yrs of age.

El Obispo de Aguascalientes, José María de la Torre Martín, anunció nuevos cambios y enroques en parroquias de la Diócesis, los cuales, dijo, son muy necesarios para una mejor atención a los fieles católicos.
Como parte de los cambios realizados, anunció el nombramiento del presbítero Casimiro Serna como Canónigo de la Catedral, tras haber cumplido los 75 años de edad.

On January 28, 1757, Maria Antonia de Carrion (wife of Vicente Gonzalez de Solis) provided testimony - I believe it is in response to the pending marriage of Lugarda Gonzalez de Solis to Joseph Rodriguez, but I'm not 100% certain of the circumstances regarding her testimony. Statements were also made by Silvestra Munoz (wife of Antonio Gonzalez de Solis). Silvetra is the daughter of Juan Joseph Munoz who is the brother of my 5th great grandfather. Also named are Gertrudis de Alarcon, mother of Juan Joseph Munoz (she is my 6th great grandmother).

The first few pages are pretty tough to read, but subsequent pages are easier to read. The testimony begins here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15265-4322-34?cc=1804458&wc=…

It includes 11 screen images for a total of 21 pages of testimony. It appears to get very personal when one of the woman is referred to as a "puerca cochina" on image #276 (left hand page). I'm sure these were harsh words for 1757.

I'd plan to add these records to my family file, but would love to understand exactly what started this, how these people were involved, and how it ended.

Any translation assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Lupita Gonzalez‎Genealogía e Historia de Los Altos de Jalisco
12 h · Guadalajara · Editado ·
Mi más sentido pésame primo Ricardo Rodriguez, que Dios les fortalezca en esta pena tan fuerte, te mando un abrazo a nombre de toda la familia, nuestras oraciones por su eterno descanso y fortaleza para todos ustedes.
Descanse en Paz.
Ya no me gustaYa no me gusta ·
A ti, Sergio Gutiérrez-Rubio y 10 personas más les gusta esto.

Rome Dlt Ricky:
Por lo que leo, perdiste a un ser querido...
Un abrazo solidario desde Compostela, Nayarit.
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Abel Barba perdon no soy el indicado pero quiero decirles que murio su papa de ricardo
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Raul Aguinaga Esqueda Mi mas. Centido pésame
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Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez Ricardo, mi mas sentido pesame por la muerte de tu amado padre, es un golpe muy duro, deseo sinceramente que dios nuestro señor te de la fortaleza necesaria para soportar esta terrible perdida y que tambien te de la pronta resignacion para aceptar lo que es inevitable, un fuerte abrazo, estamos orando por tu padre.
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Ruben Casillas Ricky,mi mas sentido p[esame,ya sabes que estoy contigo.
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Alberto Dominguez Guerra Mi más sincero pésame Ricardo Rodriguez, te deseo pronta recuperación y recuerda que aunque física mente el ya no esté con ustedes, en el corazón y tu mente estará para siempre!!! Un fuerte abrazo amigo desde tonala jal,
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Roberto De la Paz Ricky mi mas sentido pesame, estoy contigo
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Oswaldo Sevilla Un fuerte abrazo mi estimado a ti y toda tu familia. Y que la familia no sepa de mas penas....
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Adrián Márquez Padilla Mi mas sentido pesame Ricardo Rodriguez, por la sensible perdida, tu padre ha cumplido su misión en este lugar e inicia una nueva espiritual. Su recuerdo lo mantendra vivo por siempre. Recibe un fuerte abrazo.

Barbara my Castanon line came from Valparaiso, Zac to Jerez, Zac in abt 1750 but I haven't found any records for them before that. I do not have the Gertrudis Castanon you ask abt in my records. I will let you know if I ever find the records for the earlier years in Valparaiso.
Linda Castanon-Long

I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two cultures , just some thoughts ;

I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they settled in Miami and Jerome Arizona. He came to the states when he was just 2 years old. All of the men in my fathers family were miners, as was my father when he returned to AZ after a stint in the military. My father's first language at home was Spanish, he said he really didn't start speaking English until after he began elementary school. He knew first hand the challenges of not being able to speak english well so he always stressed to my sister and I how important it was to know BOTH languages, it was he said , to our benefit to know more than one language and he was right.

The trouble was, growing up in the Southwest the early 70's, we were not allowed to speak Spanish at school. If you did, you got a trip to the principle's office, or sent home...sad but all too true. We still spoke it at home, but as we continued in school and made non Spanish speaking friends, we used it less and less. That was my first brush with the idea that there was an US and a THEM. Many of you can relate to this I'm sure. Growing up in the States I was just like any other American kid, I listened to Rock and Roll, not corridas , had long hair and loved hot rods. I played football not soccer . Although I loved to hear stories about my family history , I knew nothing of Los Altos...it was another world to me. Many of my friends were in the same boat, some of our familes had been in the US for three or more generations. My mother's people were some of the first settlers in the Tucson area, before Arizona was even a state, who had the right to tell me I didn't belong ? We kidded each other in Spanglish...mixing both languages, a hybrid, just like the culture we were growing up in. Back then there was no lable like Hispanic, or even worse, Latino...if you were a Mexican American , you were a Chicano or, if you came from Spanish stock like we did, you were a Hispano, which is a Southwestern term to denote ties to Spain, not a Spanish version of Hispanic.

My home town is 8 or so miles from the Mexican frontera of Sonora. As my friends and I entered high school, we came into contact with other kids who lived right on the border of Sonora and AZ in a small town called Naco. These kids roots were in Sonora proper, their familes were in the US for maybe a genration at the most, they still had strong ties to Mexico and towns like Agua Prieta , Hermosillo and Nogales. Once again I got a taste of US and THEM. We were told by some, not all, that we were not Mexicans, we were pochos, we were lost people who's parents sold out and wanted to be gringos. It had nothing to do with a difference of appearence,it had everything to do with the side of the border you happened to be born on...you were from Mexico or el otro lado, the motherland or the other side, and there was no way to change it, period.

So not only did we have challenges in the Anglo world , constant reminders that we were different . Things like not being able to go swimming at the local Elk's Club pool, or not being able to date certain non Mexican girls, even though many of us, myself included ,were constantly confused with being anything but Mexican because of our light skin . We also had to deal with what I call reverse racism, from other Mexicans who felt we didn't have the right to call ourselves Mexicans , not all of them of course, I must stess this, but to a good amount of Mexicanos we were just pochos.

That is what put me on the path to learning about my family's roots, I was no longer content with what I learned from text books, none of it fit...and forget about movies or pop culture ! To this day everyone with a Spanish surname in a movie is either the bad guy or the girl that gets bedded by the Anglo hero, it's getting better, but not by much. I came to understand totally why people do family research, why I do research... to find MY ancestors. The group that I belong to and cannot deny me entry by right of blood, WHO EVER and WHAT EVER they were...is what I AM.

HOLA AMIGOS Y AMIGAS

INTERESADOS EN ESTA INVESTIGACION DE LOS PADRES DE PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA
ALGUIEN SABE O A ENCONTRADO EL DOCUMENTO DONDE PODRIAMOS COMPROBAR QUE DIEGO ARIAS DE SOTELO Y LEONOR VALDERRAMA Y MOCTEZUMA SON LOS PADRES LEGITIMOS DE PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA ESPOSA DE MARTIN GABAY NAVARRO?

ALGUNA NOTICIA O AVANCES DE ESTA INVESTIGACION SOLO NOS FALTA ESTA PIEZA

VAMOS A AYUDARNOS UNOS CON OTROS AMIGOS

ESTE LINK MENCIONA A MARTIN NAVARRO Y PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-19894-49?cc=1874591&wc…

este documento es el bautismo de una hija de dicha pareja que data de 1553 , el link es el siguiente:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9758-14785-61?cc=1615259&wc=…

y en este link es el matrimonio de Cristóbal de Sotelo Valderrama con doña Juana Patiño de Heredia en 1594 este es el link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17760-104704-6?cc=1615259&wc…

EN ESTE LINK LA TRANSCIPCION DE LA COMFIRMACION DE OFICIO DE DIEGO ARIAS DE SOTELO
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21997

este es el link donde puedes descargar la confirmación de oficio de diego arias sotelo
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100

ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO
SALUDOS A TODOS

BUENAS NOCHES

Hi! I never realized this. But my woman partner is from the city of Zacatecas. Her family have a friend named "Tomas Arguelles" who resides in the City of Zacatecas but he is from "Monte Escobedo" near Mezquitic, Jalisco

I remember people in nuestros ranchos telling me about the Arquelles Family of Zacatecas after I had posted that I found a defunto record of Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797 who passed away at our village of Huejuquilla.

Now I am curious about my pareja's family friend "Tomas Arquelles" I know him in person when I have been with my woman's family of Zacatecas. He has a facebook page. The Arquelles of Zacatecas...are the upper class families there. My woman's family of the city of Zacatecas are friends with them.

Since he is from Monte Escobedo....seems his long ago ancestors were in the same area as my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria (1655 - 1735) at Minillas.

"I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias? I have no relation to him but just curious.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2jdjkev.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug? I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug."

My Dearest Nuestro Ranchos Familia,
I am desperate for guidance; does anyone know about these families in
Mexico during the colonial times. They are in our family trees but I cannot
find anything out.

Juan Sanchez Banales married to Catalina De Alcaraz around 1600

Garcia Tagle early 1700's

Joseph Antonio Castellanos married to Mariana Mendoza around 1700.

I have finally reached my witts end. If you know anything please shoot my
way.

Ser Luz,
Elizabeth Acevedo
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i agree interesting information I KNOW esparza is of navarro descent.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, wrote:

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