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I think you are confusing the "Informacion Matrimonial" books with the "Matrimonios" ones, the information books are rarely index (except when they are mixed with the marriage records) thus the information on them do not appear when searching for individuals, when you find a marriage record on the index (on the search results) is going to be on the "Matrimonios" books. Now from there you can always find the information concerning the marriage that as Ricci mentioned is always days before, (in my experience usually a month, more or less).

As I mentioned before, remember to compare the film numbers, for you to know that you are in the right book/film. for the one in question, check Matrimonios 1750-1769 page 358. reading the record would tell you the actual dates for the pre-marriage information if you desire to check on it. (some times this don't exist anymore) which for for this case it says "siete, veinte y cuatro de Abril also primero de Mayo". Likely you will find it on the last date mentioned.

I looked at the FamilySearch card catalog, https://familysearch.org/catalog-search, and there appears to be a gap for births, marriages, and deaths in this period.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Daniel, some of the dates in that book are mix, if you go a bit further you will see the months of may and june over again for the year of 1808, look at the page 139 of the film, not the book page which is 128. For the second record look at the page 380, (203 of the book). Sometimes this entries are out of order because the baptisms were performed somewhere else, by the time they copied the entries in the main book some other baptisms had taken place. Some times is just the pages out of order, I also get really frustrated when this happens, but you get use to.

As a side note, when in doubt for a film number, look at the results from a general search, click on the individual name and they show the batch and film number, copy the number and look at it in the catalog. it will show the whole collection, there you can check if there is just one set of years for that specific film or if there is something wrong with the index. In this case the film number also appears in the first page helping you know that you are looking the correct book.

umm you posted this twice, and maybe this ancestor of yours was a 'natural' child or his dad didn't exactly have a last name.

edit: i also found this, not sure if the bride and groom are the said person's parents but i'll share the link anways
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF2-9RY

I'd say that anyone with roots in Latin America is Latino. I don't consider Spaniards to be Latino, but Brazilians are.

I personally identify myself (in preferred order) as Chicana, Xicana (when I want to really be badass), Mexican-American, Latina. I do not use the word Hispanic because I think it's a name given to us by white bureaucrats. When I see the word, I tend to read it as "His panic" (which we are), so it doesn't bother me too much. :)

As for the Native American thing and Junipero Serra, I don't think he should be canonized. The Spanish were pretty brutal in their treatment of the Natives, and forced hard labor may not be slavery, but I think that's splitting hairs.

Laura

Here in the USA and lately (thanks to the media) in other countries the word Latino refers to anyone with a spanish speaking culture ancestry but except the Eurpeans and Asians, thus neither Spanish or Philipines are considered Latinos, under the USA concept that is. As a person that born and grew up in Mexico, I always use Hispanic, simply because Latino makes me think of Rome. Then I guess neither the common use of the word nor me would considered Junipero a Latino (although he likely knew Latin) he was as far as I am concern Spanish :).

Regarding His role in the Missions and the impact that produced on the Natives, is difficult to tell at what extent he was or he wasn't good to them. The common belief in Mexican and thus California Spanish history is that All natives were abused by All Spanish. Far from reality, for example I still yet to come across to more than ten records mentioning Natives as slaves, (not that I have look into all records of all times) hard labor and slavery is, if not any better, not the same. By the time Junipero was in America I doubt there was any "official" slave within the Native communities. I am not going to defend all Spanish people who venture to this lands, I am just saying that things were little more complicated than black and white, for example the fact that Spanish used the rivalry among natives to force one group to ally and ultimately wipe out the other as "enemies", something that has no place on school books still.

My thinking on this is that todays Natives true to their cultures (or what remains of it) shouldn't bother for what the Catholic Church does. I mean, is not their original religion. Unfortunately some people's tyrant is another's hero. but thats just me.

Only padrinos are mentioned in this file.
I made a correction an the baptism date and calculate the birth day (16 days before).

Paul, Daniel,

Thank you for the information. I am also a descendant of Onofre and Cayetana. Have you been able to identify their parents and grandparents? Any information and source citations about their ascendants would be very appreciated. Thank you.

Alma Rosales
arosales705@gmail.com

Hi Paul, I hope this helps, Ive worked on this line a bit
in the baptism of Juan de San Pedro, Cayetana is listed
as Cayetana de Ruvalcaba (prob. Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba)
on the others she is Cayetana de Estrada.

Regards,
Daniel

Father: Onofre Soto, Mother: Cayetana
Exact Spelling: Off Matches:All Sources - 3International Genealogical Index - Mexico1. Manuel Lauriano De Soto De Estrada - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 26 APR 1714 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
2. Julian Antonio De Soto De Estrada - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 15 MAY 1712 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
3. JUAN DE SAN PEDRO NOLASCO SOTO - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAR 1722 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, MexicoTo learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:19:18 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Onfre de Soto = Cayetana de Estrada
>
> I am seeking information about my maternal 7 great grandparents, Onfre de Soto married to Cayetana de Estrada. Onfre was baptised 21 Feb 1683 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, MX. I have discovered 1 child, Lucas Luciano de Soto, born about 1705.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Although it seems like there are a heck of a lot of padrinos, I see no mention of abuelos

Parts that I can see (after tweaking the image)

"...en la capilla del Cabezon...puse los oleos y christmas a Joseph Manuel de dos dias... ...Juo. Marquez y de G... Arriola... padrinos... M...

Now the entry for the record in the index shows the names as Joseph Manuel Marquez son of Juan Anttonio Marquez and Gertrudis Anna Brigida, this names where likely indexed when the film was taken and thus they could see a slightly better image than this scans. I personally don't think it says Anttonio for the father, but can't really tell, and for the mother the name Arriola is clear after some brightness/contrast adjustments. The name/surname of the godfather is not clear or obvious to me, but definitely starts with a M, could it be Miranda? or Ma. can't figure it out.

By the way nice to see some research on my hometown!.