Some Feedback from Family Search

I recently report an error with the title of a Guanajuato digitized film, and received a very nice reply:

From: Support
To: gpf13
Subject: Mexico, Guanajuato, Catholic Church Records, 1576-1984: error in source listing
Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 11:44 am

Dear George Fulton,

Thank you for contacting FamilySearch to report incorrect dates given for our
collection , Mexico, Guanajuato, Catholic Church Records, 1576-1984, San
Francisco del Rincón, San Francisco de Asis.

We have reported the error for correction.

We appreciate you for taking the time to supply feedback about your experience
using our Historical Records collections at FamilySearch.Org. It is due to the
diligence and caring of persons such as yourself that is helping to make
FamilySearch a premiere genealogical site.

We invite you to return often as new collections are being added regularly.

Sincerely,
FamilySearch

Is anyone besides me devastated about FamilySearch.org?

If you've already had this conversation, would someone kindly point me in its the direction on the website?

The former "Pilot Search" site has been a blessing untold to my research. My tree and information has grown by leaps and bounds since it came online a couple years back. And now they are shutting it down in favor of the new site whose database is no more malleable than an excel spreadsheet.

I don't know where or how I will be able to continue any meaningful research when the Pilot Search closes tomorrow. I keep trying to give the new, "improved" site a change, but consistently I find that the identical criteria entered into both sites will produce vastly different results. Always, the Pilot Search provides me with easily 1,000 more records to peruse than the new site, and it frequently will produce the answer I need, where as the new site has only once given me the record I needed. Things like the ability to peruse spouse names in records at one time (and again, more than 1,000 if I so desire) are going to be lost.

I've left this type of input and more in the suggestion box and on the comments section but alas, the many voices are ignored and tomorrow it comes to an end.

It seems to me that my research has been effectively killed when an improved site cannot provide what the pilot site could. So I'm wondering, what are all of you going to do in order to find the records you need?

Thanks,
Annette

Is anyone besides me devastatedaboutFamilySearch.org?

Yes, that was my understanding, I.e,, "temporary". As with anything else "baby steps" come first before walking". It's in the natural way of development.
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Ive had some conversations with some brothers here from the Mormon church and they told me that the pilot site was from the onset just a working tool for bigger and better things yet to come . They also mentioned that they were not going to reinstate it .

Welester

> I also was much more productive with the pilot site. Is there anything we can do to keep it running.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Michaela Gomez

Hola a todos.

Desde hace algunos meses he estado avanzando en encontrar mas ancestros
de mi familia he llegado al punto de no poder avanzar mas por lo cual
nuevamente solicito de su ayuda para que me den luz en lo siguiente: Mi
ancestro mas antiguo es Michaela Gomez quien vivio alrededor del año
1690 a 1750 en la villa de Santa Maria de los lagos, Jalisco y fue
casada con Juan de Dios Ortiz. de la misma villa. he encontrado dos
personas del mismo nombre viviendo aproximadamente en la misma fecha y
lugar, una es Michaela Gomez Aguirre y la otra es Michaela Gomez de la
Cruz pero no encuentro informacion de su matrimonio para validar que se
haya casado con Juan de Dios Ortiz, ¿ Podran ayudarme si tienen
informacion de esta persona? o si me informan a donde buscar se los
agradecere de corazon.

De antemano Gracias primos

Atte
Mario Gonzalez Gomez.
Mexico DF.

Datos de Francisco Gutiérrez casado con María Refugio García

Hola a todos!!!!!

Antes que nada GRACIAS por aceptarme en su grupo, soy nueva en esto de la genealogía, mi familia es de los altos de Jalisco, hasta ahorita se que de San Juan de los Lagos, pero se que existe la posibilidad que otros municipios esten involucrados. Mi bisabuelo fué Francisco de Paul Gutiérrez Flores nació en 1893 su padre fue Filiberto Gutiérrez García y María Dolores Flores González. Me gustaría obtener información sobre los abuelos paternos de mi bisabuelo fueron Francisco Gutiérrez García y María Refugio García, de los cuales no tengo más datos.

De antemano muchas gracias

Translation help for Father/Son Alviso back to back dispensas

My Spanish is limited and I have found something curious. Mateo Alviso and his son Calixto Alviso had back to back dispensas done and I need help with the translation. Would someone be so kind to help me out? Mateo's dispensa for his marriage to Casimira Vasquez is San Miguel el Alto 1832-1855 image 197 page 178 and his son Calixto to Atanacia Gallardo (aka Martin) image 198 page 179 (the next page) Here is the link:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Thank you for any help!

Jph. Martin de Peña = Maria Rufina Ximenes

I am researching my maternal 5th Great Parents Joseph Martin de Peña and Maria Rufina Ximenes. They were married 08 Nov 1761 in Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, MX. I am seeking the names of their parents. (It appears that records for this time period have been omitted from the LDS digitized Mexico Records.)

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Sebastián de Luna y Josefa Lozano.

Hola compañeros, hace días leí que alguien quería saber quienes eran los padres de Sebastián de Luna y Josefa Lozano.

Yo también necesito saber quienes son sus ancestros por lo que me puse a leer en el libro de Luz Montejano Hilton y en la página 131, extracto 709 se encuentra una dispensa en tercer grado de consanguinidad de Luis de Luna, hijo de Sebastián de Luna y Josefa Lozano, con María de Haro hija de Francisco de Haro y Cecilia de Haro Flores. En dicha dispensa se menciona que Sebastián de Luna y Cecilia de Haro Flores son primos hermanos por lo que me puse a investigar en familysearch y e hice algunas conclusiones, ojalá alguien nos pueda ayudar.

A lo que pude concluir es que Sebastián de Luna puede ser hijo de Bartolomé de Luna y Lorenza Ortiz de Haro; y Cecilia de Haro Flores puede ser hija de Luis de Luna y Josefa de Haro y Esquivel. Yo creo que Bartolomé de Luna y Luis de Luna son hermanos; ¿Alguien de ustedes tiene algo sobre ellos?

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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de Villalpando, Villa de Leon, Guanajuato doc...

Thank you all so much for the imput on the Villa de Leon vs. the Villa de Conil. I found the doucment!! however im unusre if the page is torn or its folded...help anyone with deciphering.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/juandevillalpandoorigi…

doesnt say much but the 2nd act also has Maria de Olaez so im sure they are all related. Thank you again X 100!!!!!

Amalia Hernandez-Arias

DNA Testing - which provider is best?

My father who is 76 yrs old (GGparents from Chihuahua) and my uncle is is 93 yrs old (GGparents from Sonora) and my father in Law 70 yrs old (Teocaltiche, Jalisco) have agreed to do DNA testing. Can anyone recommend a DNA service provider that they have used in the past. Looking for something priced reasonable with the most information returned. Thanks for your assistance.

Surname "Bais" in Zacatecas

My great grandmother was Loreto Bais. Born in Mexico somewhere around 1868, she eventually settled down with a Tereso Sifuentes (born around 1865) somewhere in Zacatecas. It is said that they were both married with children, before somehow becoming single and finding each other. I don't know when they got together. I do know that they had several children, at least 6. I can only find some of their children's baptism certicates, showing births in northern Mexico, mostly in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon between 1899 and 1915.

I've seen a photo of Loreto Bais, she was obviously an indigenous woman. Oral history says she was Yaqui, but those who say so really don't know for sure. I did find out through a border crossing record that she was born in a town named Agostadero. The death certificate says she was born in 1868 to Andres Bais and Antonia de Lira. I'm unsure of the exact spelling of the name Bais.

Does anyone have any kind of information that could help me find where Loreto is from, or anything about her lineage? Or anything related to indigenous peoples with the last name Bais?

Thank you,
Roberto

DNA Tests for Genealogy Purposes

I think there is a lot of confusion here about DNA, how it's tested, and how to interpret our results. I hope that the below will clear up some confusions...

There are four (4) types of DNA in humans that are used for molecular genealogy:

1) Autosomal DNA - inherited from both MOTHER & FATHER (we inherit 50% from mom/50% from dad)

2) X-chromosome DNA - determines gender; whether we are female (XX) or male (XY), females pass on their X chromosome to ALL children, fathers pass on their X
chromosome to their DAUGHTERS only and their Y chromosomes to their SONS only. X-chromosome DNA changes rapidly from generation-to-generation, and so it is not very useful for deep ancestry research

3) Y-chromosome DNA - only men have this and because men only have 1 Y-chromosome, it passes unchanged from FATHER-to-SON over many generations going back deep into one's ancestry on DIRECT male line

4) Mitochondrial DNA - both men and women have this, but only a MOTHER can pass it on to her SONS and DAUGHTERS; it passes from generation-to-generation unchanged for thousands of years (deep-deep ancestry on DIRECT female line)

A man can be haplotype R1b (European), but still be 30% native-American, African, Asian, whatever. In this case, we only tested his Y-chromosome and results prove that his direct PATERNAL line has European origins. Now, if he tests his Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), he can also have a European result, but at the same time be 30% Native-American, African, Asian...whatever. We only tested his MATERNAL line

In order to get one's complete ethnic origin breakdown, one needs to get an AUTOSOMAL DNA analysis. This test takes a different strand of human DNA (NOT related to yDNA or mtDNA), that is passed on randomly from BOTH mother and father to each child. We get 50% from mother and 50% from father. Our mother got 50% from her mother and 50% from her father...and our father got 50% from his father & 50% from his mother...etc, etc...all the way up our family tree. It is a complete genetic record.

I think that as more and more NR members get tested, we will learn that we who descend from the founding families of Jalisco, Zacatecas & Aguascalientes are not 100% pure Spanish/Portuguese/Italian/French . We are all a mixture of the three major ethnic groups who populated the region and who comprise our ancestry: European, Native American and African. This is being proven by DNA test results every day.

Libro: Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes, siglo XVII

Estimado compañeros,

Para ustedes que tienen interés sobre la genealogía e historia de Aguascalientes, el libro Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes, siglo XVII, ha sido editado y el precio ha bajado a USD 35.00. El enfoque en el siglo XVII de Aguascalientes, sus registros parroquiales y apéndices que he compilado. Libro que debe existir en cualquier biblioteca de cualquier investigador serio. Sigue el enlace,

Me digan si hay una problema por envío

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/archivos-parroquiales-de-aguascal…

Nancy's Elusive Grandmother

Many thanks to the responses from George, Patty, & Alicia.
Unfortunately your advice doesn't work because my grandmother's
married name (I think) was Blanche, but maybe Blanco. In
a death certificate for a daughter, she used Marquez, and
in another document she used Duval as surnames. I have searched
all these names. She told my father he was born in Ca. but he
couldn't find his BC in Sacramento. There are absolutely no records
available, be they baptismal, marriage, or ? I truly believe my
grandmother deliberately did not want to be found. So, my hope is
someone can help identify and tie her to the Guerrero family in the
photograph. From that one clue, Jesus Sanchez Guerrero and the
1930 Mexico census I have learned that this family has a very
important background in Guadalajara history. I think my grandmother
had something to hide from them, but left me with this mystery as
to who I really am. As I mentioned before, maybe Francisco Sanchez
Guerrero is my grandmother's father, but I haven't found a marriage
certificate for him in Guadalajara which could lead me to a family.

Nicolás Gómez de Aparicio y Magdalena de Sepúlveda - Los Gómez de Nochistlán

Buenas tardes,

Me gustaría saber si alguien posee información sobre el origen de los Gómez en Nochistlán. Una de mis líneas, llega hasta Nicolás GOMEZ DE APARICIO, casado con Magdalena de Sepúlveda, alrededor de 1690.

Los hijos de esta pareja son:

1. Jerónima GOMEZ.
2. Cayetano GOMEZ.
3. Ascencio GOMEZ.
4. Nicolás GOMEZ, casado con María Juana de Torres.
5. Juan GOMEZ, casado con Margarita Antonia Ramirez.
6. Francisco GOMEZ, casado con Manuela Ramírez.

Nunca había visto mencionado el apellido GOMEZ DE APARICIO, desconozco si este apellido tiene origen en los Altos o en algún otro lado.

Saludos y gracias de antemano.

Alejandro G. García

Teocaltiche Church Records now available online

To all,

I just noticed that as of July 23 Teocaltiche church records are now
available online!

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Ahora me di cuenta que las actas de Teocaltiche estan disponible desde el 23
de este mes en la red!

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Saludos a todos,

Juan Carlos Aguayo Munoz

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