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Thank you, Daniel,

We lived in San Jose, CA from 1947 to 1997 when we retired and moved up here to the Northwest. My husband was born in El Paso, TX and I was born in Brush, CO. We'll be going to San Jose in October for my 50th high school reunion (SJ High-Class of '57), then on to Salt Lake City to do some research.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Ornelas Ancestry

Below is my Ornelas line and ancestry.

1.Daniel Mendez del Camino b. 1992 in San Jose, California, United States
2.Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
3.Martin Mendez Serrano b. 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
4.Lucia Serrano Rubio b. 1889 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
5.Juan Jose Serrano Gutierrez b. 1853 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco, Mexico
6.Jose Jesus Francisco Serrano de Leon b. 1825 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
7.Alexandro de Cerrano y de Ornelas b. 1799 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
8.Maria Juana Rafaela Alvina de Hornelas y Garcia b. 1771 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
9.Manuel Antonio de Hornelas y Basques de Lara b. 1737 San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
10.Gregorio de Hornellas y de la Crus b. 1713 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
11.Juan de Dios de Hornellas y Sanches b. 1669 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
12.Andres de Ornellas y de Orosco b. 1636 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
13.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
14.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas (mother is uknown) b. 1561 in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
15.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas, 11th Count of Dornelas (mother is uknown) b. 1530/1532 (disputed) in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
16.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Abreu, 10th Count of Dornelas b. 1496 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
17.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Saavedra, 9th Count of Dornelas b. 1456 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
Henceforth the one who started this LONG chain of Alvaro Albares de Ornelas!
18.Alvaro Lopes de Ornelas y de Ayala, 8th Count of Dornelas b. 1424 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
19.Lope Esteves de Ornelas y de Portugal , 7th Count of Dornelas b. 1384 in Lisbon, Lisbon, Portugal (His mother was Dona Estefania, Princess of Portugal. Illegitimate Daughter of Pedro I, King of Portugal
20. Pedro Anes de Ornelas, 6th Count of Dornelas b. 1354 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
21. Martim Joaes de Ornelas, 5th Count of Dornelas b. 1324 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
22. Joao Joaes de Ornelas y, Pires de Cardoso, 4th Count of Dornelas b. 1294 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
23. Joao Pires de Ornelas y Anes de Freitas, 3rd Count of Dornelas b. 1264 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
24. Pedro Fernandes de Ornelas, 2nd Count of Dornelas b. 1234 in Madeira, Madeira, Portugal
25. Fernando Fernandes y Anes de Ornelas, 1st Count of Dornelas b. 1204 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
26. Juan Fernandes de Veloso, 7th Count of Veloso b. 1174 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
27. Rui Fernandes de Veloso y de Aragon, 6th Count of Veloso b. 1144 in Aragon, Aragon, Spain
(His mother was Dona Ximena de Aragon, Princess of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Alfonso I, King of Aragon.)
28. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso, 5th Count of Veloso b. 1114 in Velso, Veloso, Spain
29. Rodrigo Fernandes de Veloso y de Vella, 4th Count of Veloso b. 1084 in Veloso, Veloso, Spain
30. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso y de Francia, 3rd Count of Veloso b. 1054 in Paris, Paris, France
(His mother was Alembert Capet, Princess of France, daughter Henry I Capet, King of France)
31. Rodrigo Sanches de Veloso y de Frolas, 2nd Count of Veloso b. 1024 in Leon, Leon, Spain
32. Sancho Ramires de Leon y Gomes de Saldana, 1st Count of Veloso and Prince of Leon b. 984 in Leon, Leon, Spain
33. Ramiro III Sanches de Leon, King of Leon b. 961 in Leon, Leon, Spain

Here are the sources there also some websites but need to go back and write them down.
From: Dornelas, Afonso; Dornelas, origem Deste apelido (there is a exemplary in Funchal Library)
The Transalation from Portegues: The Origin of the Ornelas Surname, Im not sure where to buy it, would be a good book to have. Well thats it for now because the genealogy never ends it goes all the way back to the time of the Roman Empire and Jesus Christ so yeah. I think its really fun when you connect into a royal family. I have checked and your husband and I connect with almost every royal European family today, I think its really cool to know this. You may also be wondering Alvaro de Ornelas the one born in 1530-1532 did infact plea the King of Portugal to keep his fathers title in the 1560's when his father died. So what does that mean? Not only did that title came to Mexico it stayed there. The big question is who is the Heir to that title? Someone in Mexico right now is the rightful heir to the County of Dornelas. No one knows what happened to it, Ive been researching but have not found anything for the title after 1611 when Alvaro died. And there is no record of Alv
ar
o the on
e born in 1530 to have children in Portugal. He only had to return in order to officially become Count of Dornelas but quickly returned to Jalisco. so the title did in fact say Mexico. Not like the Moctezuma line in which some returned to Spain. The Ornelas stayed in Jalisco. And Emilie I have some tips for you. I think youll need to extend your Ornelas line back to 1690-1710 because thats when I have a Benito Ornelas and I think your Benito is the ancestor of you Benito so I hope your husband and I can connect in the future. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Joseph:

There is a very useful community web site dedicated to the spanish heraldry they have been very kind offering me help in the past with some pics I suggest you give this link to the person looking for info on that Coat
here is the link:
http://www.heraldicahispana.com/

I hope it works for him!!!!

Raquel,

If you are looking for a marriage record in Cuquio pre 1741 then, I believe
you'll find it in FHL INTL Film 617581 which covers Matrimonios
1711-1742,1744-1762. There are no Información Matrimonial records prior to
1741 as you stated, but those are not the records of the actual marriage.
Informacion Matrimonial contains the interview by the priest of the bride
and groom to be. The marriage event would be documented in the Matrimonios
film. Film 617581 has been extracted and you'll find most of the marriages
on the IGI. They are on batch #M604673. I hope this information will help
you.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

> From: Raquel Ruiz
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio Records
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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> I seem to have poorly communicated my problem. I mean that matrimonial
> films don't seem to exist for that period, not that they are not catalogued
> or posted.
>

>From what Ive asked family search is planning to release bit by bit on the pilot site before the final 2012 completion to the new website (the pilot will be taken off when the new FS comes out). Aguascalientes was the first actual image because it is smaller in records which I disagree its huge 400 something films but anyway. Most likely they'll release some Jalisco films soon. The church has been copying for the pilot website 3 years now. -Daniel> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:36 -0500> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio Records> > Any ideas on how to access church records that aren't posted on> familysearch? I need matrimonial records for Cuquio, Jalisco that predate> 1741, which is the earliest posted. I emailed the archdiocese and they> referred me back to Cuquio. There are baptisms posted prior to 1741.> > I believe my ancestors, Diego Ruiz and Catarina Perez, were married there> in the early 1730s. I have
found them listed as padrinos there in 1736 and> several children born there, starting in 1737. Unfortunately, so far, no> grandparents nor origens are noted. There are not a lot of Ruizes at this> period, so I don't think there is much of an extended family based there> (there are lots later on), so I'm guessing that within a generation back> they will elsewhere. Diego died between Dec 1785 and Dec 1789. Catarina> died after Dec 1789. Their children I've found so far are: Maria Luisa,> 24 Aug 1737, Joseph Anastacio c1739, Joseph Joachin Maria and Joseph Miguel> Maria, 23 Nov 1745, Manuela 1749, Maria de la Candelaria, 24 Jul 1760, and> Manuel.> > Any ideas or leads would be much appreciated.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hello Luis,
I'm so happy to finally find someone who is researching the same family names. I too am researching Galarza, Lopez, and Garcia. My family Galarza is from the mapami area as is Lopez. Garcia is from Santa Roselia. I would like to email you with questions on these names.
Lupe

Hello Luis! Wlecome to the group! I hope we can help you extend your tree. Nothing is better than knowing your roots because many people had to do alot just to create me, you and everyone else! Well it looks like you have a problem, I have some advice: If it says no padres conocidos, you can search for Jorge's baptism, if you have his name and estimated place and birth chances are there arent that many Jaimes in Los Altos in this time. I for one havent seen too many Jaimes in the 1600's very few. Or you can look for the informacion matrimonial which may include his parents Ivee seen some cases where the padres are no concidos in the acctual marriage but in the information, the priest or church official would go in town and "snoop around,"
I do know Pedroza (de la) and Alba are very common Alteno name which has been researched extensively if your in the 1600s your Pedroza line should be easy to connect. I am a Pedroza abt 5 times. So we should be related. Romo comes from Romo de Vivar in Aguas and Maldonado was usually dropped from Perez Maldonado. Send me what you have maybe I can be of any help! -Daniel Camino

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Lupe,Glad to hear from you too. You can contact me at dexaime@excite.com-----Original Message-----From: "Lupe Kerr" [tex1@clearwire.net]Date: 02/17/2009 09:32 AMTo: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] research Hello Luis, I'm so happy to finally find someone who is researching the same family names. I too am researching Galarza, Lopez, and Garcia. My family Galarza is from the mapami area as is Lopez. Garcia is from Santa Roselia. I would like to email you with questions on these names. Lupe -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Hello Kelly! Some info I have on here is that she wasnt born in Mexico City, she couldnt have been. The royal lineage at least about 90% had left the capital in order to be protected. Petronila de Moctezuma, Princess of Mexico had to have been born somewhere else. It couldnt bee Aguascalientes. And Morelia wasnt found until 1579. So it must of have been Guadalajara or Durango or a place in Guanjuato that I can tremember th name of ther town it was found in 1542. Now about the Belista and Leonista contravarsy. These
papers are supposed to exist in the marriage of Petronila, she lists her genealogy to some extent. People have said she is the grandaughter of Moctezuma or the grtgrandaughter. No ones knows. She married in Mexico city, but I think she married somewhere else in el Estado of Mexico. around 1594.

This is the genealogy of the Belista beliefs.
(The people who believe she is from Isabel de Moctezuma and Hernando Cortes)

DOna Petronila de Moctezum, Princesa de Mexico 1550
Dona Leonor de Moctezuma, Princesa de MExico 1535
Dona Isabel de Moctezuma , Princesa de Mexico 1521 & Hernando Cortes

This is the genealogy of the Leonista beliefs.
(The people who believe she is from only Leonor de Moctezuma, daughter of Moctezuma)

DOna Petronila de Moctezum, Princesa de Mexico 1550
Dona Leonor de Moctezuma, Princesa de MExico 1535
Don Moctezuma II, Emperor of Mexico 1476

To my judgement according tot the Belistas Petronila is Princess. Put how can she be princess when she is the great granddaughter. The princess titles usually only goes up the grandchildren after that there usually bestowed a different title. Put again Im refering to European royalty. Put European and Mexican Nobility were fairly identitical. Mexican Nobility onlly ended in 1917, wasnt to much long ago. In tha past century the Nobility were the HAcendados or the wealthy landowners. They were minor nobles who were given land grants to haciendas. Some of my more recent ancestords
were Mariano del Camino (1853-1916) he was given a grant by Porfirio Diaz in 1899. There family also owned los angeles in Zacatecas, near Pinos. The good thing is when the Lds church launches there new site, we will be able to fina Petronilas marriage or even to Francisca her daughter and Lope Esparza if it even exists! All the microfilm will be able to be viewed online! -Well I hope this helps a bit. -Email me if you need something else. Primo Daniel

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Oye Steve y yo que estoy solo pindado???????????//

Yo tambien soy APODACA.... e igulmente me gustaria estar en las
discuciones, estudio, etc. todo lo que se base en los APODACAS, Saludos
calurosamente dede SAn Diego California.

--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Steve G.Apodaca wrote:
From: Steve G.Apodaca
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mensaje para Alessandro Vitela
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 4:51 AM

Este mensaje es para mi pariente perdido Alessandro Vitela. Espero que cheques
los mensajes del foro de nuestros ranchos. Me has escrito porque no he
contestado a tus mensajes, pero en realidad, te he estado enviando varios
mensajes desde hace un par de semanas y no recibo respuesta. Me pregunto si
recibiste el documento de matrimonio de nuestros ancestros Francisco Bonal e
Ysabel Gutierres que te envie hace ya tiempo. No se si posiblemente tengas
bloqueado mi email o algo. En fin, espero que leas este mensaje por medio de
nuestrosranchos y podamos continuar la comunicacion.

Saludos

Steve desde NC

Sophia,
I have the wife of Cristobal Gutierrez-de-Mendoza (abt. 1659) as Maria Gutierrez-de-Laris (abt. 1663). I show he died on 24 Mar 1718. Is this the same person? Have I made a mistake in my Tree?

Eloise Gomez Reyes

You said "the rest is just what the royals except the genealogy". I don't understand that sentence. The "rest" is what?

I am interested in your message because my husband has Ornelas in his ancestry. Who are your Ornelas after the one born in Lagos de Moreno in 1567? Do you have a straight unbroken line from then until the late 1700s? I have traced my husband's Ornelas back to a Jph. Benito de Ornelas who was born in San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco in 1759. His parents were Jose de Ornelas and Maria Gusman or Maria de los Dolores Martin. Jose Benito married Ma. Ylaria Villalobos in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on Jan 16 1790. She was born in 1737 in Ayo el Chico. Did any of your Ornelas end up in Lagos, Encarnacion or Ayo el Chico?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] How do you get evidence for Noble/royal lines?

I have connected my Ornelas line back to Alvaro de Ornelas who came from portugal to Mexico city in 1527. He was the son of El "Conde de Dornelas" his name was also Alvaro Dornelas. I have backed it up through Microfilm back to 1565 in Lagos de Moreno where the Alvaros son was born in 1567, and then the rest is just what the royals except the genealogy.

Here is what it looks like

Alvaro de Ornelas, Count of Dornelas, born ca. 1462 in Dornelas, Portugal

Alvaro de Ornelas born ca. 1494 in Lisbon, Portugal

Alvaro de Ornelas born ca. 1531 in Mexico City

Alvaro de Ornelas born 24 Mar 1567 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

I guess Alvaro was a family name!

If you keep going back to genealogy the Ornelas descend from the Pedro I, King of Portugal, through one of the Ornelas who married his daughter Princess Estefania of Portugal, and also King Robert II of France through one of his daughters, Princess Alembert of France and then the Kings of Aragon, though Princess Jimena of Aragon. The Ornelas are direct descedants of Ramiro III, King of Leon. Im also having this problem with other noble lines, but Im not sure whether just to except what has been established or keep searching. Im assuming the Nobility kept good records i suppose. Can anyone help me, Im really confused. What would you do? Thanks.

Diana & Ramon

Merry Christmas

Carlos & Nancy Yturralde

---- patricia burton wrote:
> Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008
>
> Dear Group--
>
> Many years ago when I was an active part of SHHAR in Orange, California, I was given a poster which was about Don Martin Casillas--
> Architect/ Alarife of the cathedrals Puebla de Los Angeles, Mexico City and Guadalajara. Listed as his some of his descendants were the following seven SHHAR members; Tony Campos and his wife Clarisa Vega, Ramon Godinez, George Herrera, Ophelia Marquez, Mary Lou Montagna, and Lillian Wold.
>
> There were pictures of two cathedrals and various people. In the center was a large picture of Don Martin Casillas. We were told later that the picture was actually that of Miguel de Cervantes, the writer of Don Quixote. Ha-ha-ha, what a laugh we got from that.
>
>
> Here is more from the poster which was given to me by Lillian RAMOS Wold:
>
> Don Martin CASILLAS was born in Almendralejo, Extremadura, Spain about 1556. He arrived in Puebla de Los Angeles, Nueva Espana around 1578 with the new viceroy, don Lorenzo de Suarez y Mendoza, Count of Coruna. Don Martin was commissioned to work on the construction of the cathedral in Puebla. In 1583, when Viceroy Lorenzo de Suarez y Mendoza died, don Martin Cassillas was sent to work on the Mexico City Cathedral. He took his wife Mencia Gonzalez Cabrera, daughter of Francisco Jimenez and Mencia Gonzalez Cabrera, with him to Mexico City and their two children, Maria and Martin (born respectively 1580 and 1582.) His third Child, Francisco was born in Mexico City in 1584 (an architect like his father.) After approximately two years, he was assigned to the Cathedral at Guadalajara. There were four more children born in Guadalajara; Rodrigo Bernardo, Mariana, Domingo and Ines.
>
> Don Martin Casillas was paid in land to supplement the payment for the work he did on the Cathedral of Guadalajara. There were only two cathedrals that were larger than the one in Guadalajara and they were the one at Puebla and the one in Mexico City. He was buried in Mexico City and years later, his body was exhumed and interned in the family vault in the cathedral of Guadalajara. Years later, his wife and some of his children and grandchildren were also buried in the family vault in the cathedral of Guadalajara.
>
> The best to each and everyone of you from the home of Ramon GODINEZ and Patricia Diane LONGHURST (AKA Patricia Burton) in San Diego, Ca.
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> --- On Sun, 12/21/08, actapatio2007 wrote:
>
> > From: actapatio2007
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pintura
> > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 10:28 AM
> > Que tal yo tengo una copia de la pintura de Martin
> > Casillas...
> >
> > Si gustan una copia por favor mandemen un mensaje...
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> > Hello, I have a copy of the painting of Martin Casillas
> > If you like one, please send me a message
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Estimado Eduardo:
 
Tendras informacion de Elena Cueto Diaz nacio en Sayula, Jalisco en 1888 estuvo casada con Manuel C. Michel Zamora ;se que era hija de Francisco Cueto Vale y Maria Diaz Gonzalez, me gustaría saber si tienes informacion sobre hermanos, ancestros de ella,
 
Saludos
 
Jorge A. Michel

--- El lun 9-feb-09, Eduardo H Seoane escribió:

De:: Eduardo H Seoane
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Quieren Ayuda a encontrar sus antepasados? Do you want help in finding your ancestors?
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 9 febrero, 2009, 10:48 pm

Si quieren tener mejores resultados, simplemente pongan más datos. No se
limiten a nada mas poner los dos apellidos que buscan. Pongan información de
familiares: hermanos, cónyuge(s), hijos, etc.... ¿Cual es el primer nombre?
¿Cuando nació, se caso, murió- en que fecha, y lugar y mas importante por que
cree eso? Personas no siempre utilizan los dos apellidos, a veces utilizan el
de la madre, ciertas familias utilizan el apellido de un pariente famoso, por
muchas generaciones. Poniendo mas información le va a abrir las puertas y
personas le van a poderle ayudar con mas eficacia.
If you want to have better results, simply put more data. Do not limit
yourselves to showing both of the last names you’re looking for. Put
information about relatives: brothers, spouse (s), children, etc…. What is
the first name? When did the birth take place, marriage, death- in what date
and place and more importantly why do you think that? People do not always use
both last names; sometimes they use the mothers’, certain families use the
last name of a famous relative, for many generations. Putting more information
is going to open the doors and people are going to be able to help with greater
effectiveness.

Estoy buscando el apellido CUETO DIAZ que al parecer tiene origenes en Sayula, Jalisco.
Alguien tiene datos sobre este apellido?
Gracias

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Estoy buscando el apellido GOMEZ ACEVES que al parecer tiene origenes en los
Altos de Jalisco.
Alguien tiene datos sobre este apellido?
Gracias

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Let me know how I can help...I have some free time coming up.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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the pilot site:
Click on to the record
just above your grand mothers name - click "copy to clip board"
then click ok.
I then open my word program
under "file" I click "paste"
and there appears your file.
 
If you need further assistance, contact me directly and I can
take you through the steps in detail.
Lots of luck in your research.
Helyn
San Jose, CA
 

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Esther wrote:

I was hoping someone might be able to help me with this: I searched the pilot
program and found my grandma, Maria del Carmen Ornelas, b 28 Nov 1900, Jesus,
Guadalajara, Jalisco.  Her father, Doroteo Ornelas and mother, Rosa Cortez. The
film #1106706 and batch # is C01861-3.  The record is only for view at this
time. 

Does anyone know if there is a way to get a copy of her birth record?  Or
maybe it is only in extraction format and not ready for realease?  I could
order the film but it takes forever. 
 

Esther ya buscaste en el Censo Federal de México de 1930? Esta en el
internet, en Piolot.FamilySearch.Org , no
te lo recomiendo al menos que sepas aproximadamente adonde vivían tus
parientes cuando se tomo el Censo. El censo te va a decir, el nombre,
la edad, si es, soltera, casada por lo civil, casada por le iglesia, viuda,
viviendo en unión libre, divorciada, etc... Lo mejor es que te va a ayudar
para que sepas adonde no buscar. Por ejemplo, si esta viviendo en unión
libre entonces para que buscar en el registro civil o parroquial. Lo único
que a lo mejor encuentras en esos registros son los hijos; bajo este
ejemplo. Si esta casada por lo civil y o por la iglesia entonces con las
edades de los hijos te puedes aproximar a la fecha de su boda y encontrar
los registros de los niños.

Otra cosa que puedes encontrar ahí son los padres de ella si aun viven.
Tendrían aproximadamente, unos cincuenta a setenta años. Lo bueno es que te
da la edad y su estado civil, y otra cosa que no mencione es - también te
dice de donde son, (el estado o país).

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Esther wrote:

> I was hoping someone might be able to help me with this: I searched the
> pilot program and found my grandma, Maria del Carmen Ornelas, b 28 Nov 1900,
> Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco. Her father, Doroteo Ornelas and mother, Rosa
> Cortez. The film #1106706 and batch # is C01861-3. The record is only for
> view at this time.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to get a copy of her birth record? Or
> maybe it is only in extraction format and not ready for realease? I could
> order the film but it takes forever.
>
> Doroteo Ornelas came from Guanajuato and Rosa Cortez de Leon from Santa
> Cruz de Astilleros. I cannot find Santa Cruz de Astilleros by Guadalajara.
> Could it have changed names later? If any one can help me I would be most
> greatful.
>
> Escribanme si necesitan traduccion. Gracias. Esther Jordan (Lopez)

I can get you a copy of that record on Monday :•)

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Esther wrote:

> I was hoping someone might be able to help me with this: I searched the
> pilot program and found my grandma, Maria del Carmen Ornelas, b 28 Nov 1900,
> Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco. Her father, Doroteo Ornelas and mother, Rosa
> Cortez. The film #1106706 and batch # is C01861-3. The record is only for
> view at this time.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to get a copy of her birth record? Or
> maybe it is only in extraction format and not ready for realease? I could
> order the film but it takes forever.
>
> Doroteo Ornelas came from Guanajuato and Rosa Cortez de Leon from Santa
> Cruz de Astilleros. I cannot find Santa Cruz de Astilleros by Guadalajara.
> Could it have changed names later? If any one can help me I would be most
> greatful.
>
> Escribanme si necesitan traduccion. Gracias. Esther Jordan (Lopez)

Gracias por la informacion.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: John Inclan
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Datos de Felix

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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JOSE YLARO. FELIS Pedigree
Male Family

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Event(s):
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA TEODOCIA FLORES Family
Marriage: 10 JAN 1835 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico

Carlos,
I would be interested in the book, I love books

Carlos,
A mi me interesaria mucho este libro, los libros valen mas que el oro.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: "cyturralde@cox.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:56:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cronica de la Provincia de Santiago de Xalisco

For those who might be interested we have one copy of : Cronica de la Provincia de Santiago de Xalisco, Escrita por Fr. Nicolas Antonio de Ornelas Mendoza y Valdivia. Pulished in 1952 by Instituto Jalisciense de Antropologia E Historia. The price of the book is $46.00, which includes US shipping costs. The book is in good condition, but has light spot on face and the front edge of book has darkened. Inside page have some yellowing, but are clean.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project