Nuestros Ranchos Site

You are writing to the correct address. welcome to the group. You are
close to Mexico City so maybe you are using the Family History Center
there. From the Family history center you can find these films for
Atotonilco el Alto. there are also many more films not listed here for
Ayotlan, Arandas, and the others you've listed. Are you using this
resource in your research? Do you have the address to the closest Family
History Centers in Mexico City?

there are one member researching Atotonilco el Alto. Log in to the
website and then go to this URL:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15338 I didn't check for the other
locations but go to the "Files" and the "Members Genealogies" and then
look next to each person's name for a brief description of the research
locations. OR you could just do a "search" from the front page.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. We'll try to help.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Title
*Registros parroquiales, 1699-1958*

Authors
*Iglesia Católica (Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco) (Main Author)*

Notes
*Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo parroquial.
Algunos registros incluyen índice.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions,
marriages, and deaths from Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
Some registers include an index.*

Subjects
* México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto - Church records*

Format
* Manuscript (On Film)*

Language
* Spanish*

Publication
* Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1958*

Physical
* 287 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.*

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
*Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1699-1749 - FHL INTL Film [ 222109 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1749-1769 - FHL INTL Film [ 222110 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1769-1777 - FHL INTL Film [ 222111 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1777-1785 - FHL INTL Film [ 222112 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1785-1793 - FHL INTL Film [ 222113 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1793-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222114 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1799-1806 - FHL INTL Film [ 222115 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1806-1811 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222116 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1811-1817 - FHL INTL Film [ 222117 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1817-1821 - FHL INTL Film [ 222118 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1821-1824 - FHL INTL Film [ 222119 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1824-1828 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222120 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1828-1832 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222121 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1832-1835 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222122 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1835-1839 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222123 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1839-1844 - FHL INTL Film [ 222124 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1844-1852 - FHL INTL Film [ 222125 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1844-1852 - FHL INTL Film [ 222126 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1852-1856 - FHL INTL Film [ 222127 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1856-1861 - FHL INTL Film [ 222128 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1861-1868 - FHL INTL Film [ 222129 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1861-1868 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222130 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1868-1872 - FHL INTL Film [ 222131 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1872-1876 - FHL INTL Film [ 222132 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1876-1881 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222133 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1881-1885 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222134 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1885-1888 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222135 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1888-1892 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222136 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1892-1893 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222137 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1893-1895 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222138 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1895-1896 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222139 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1896-1897 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222140 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1897-1899 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222141 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1899-1900 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222142 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1900-1901 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222143 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1901-1902 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222144 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1902-1904 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222145 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1904-1905 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222146 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1905-1907 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222147 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1907-1909 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222148 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1909-1911 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222149 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1911-1912 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222150 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1912-1914 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222151 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1914-1916 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222152 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1916-1917 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222153 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1917-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 222154 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1919-1920 - FHL INTL Film [ 222155 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1920-1923 - FHL INTL Film [ 222156 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1923-1925 - FHL INTL Film [ 222157 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1925-1926 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222158 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1926-1929 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222159 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1929-1932 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222160 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1932-1933 - FHL INTL Film [ 222161 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1933-1936 - FHL INTL Film [ 222162 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1936-1939 - FHL INTL Film [ 222163 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1939-1941 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222164 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1941-1943 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222165 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1943-1945 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222166 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1945-1946 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222167 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1946-1948 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222168 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1948-1949 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222169 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1949-1950 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222170 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1950-1952 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222171 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1952-1953 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222172 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1953-1954 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222173 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1954-1955 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222174 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1955-1957 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222175 ]
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1957-1958 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222176 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1843-1889 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222177 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1889-1904 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222178 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1904-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222179 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1920-1939 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222180 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1939-1958 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222181 ]
Confirmaciones 1789-1852 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222182 ]
Confirmaciones 1874-1901 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222183 ]
Confirmaciones 1906-1934 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222184 ]
Confirmaciones 1934-1945 - FHL INTL Film [ 222185 ]
Confirmaciones 1945-1952 - FHL INTL Film [ 222186 ]
Confirmaciones 1952-1957 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222187 ]
Información matrimonial 1769-1770 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222225 ]
Información matrimonial 1778-1782 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222226 ]
Información matrimonial 1782-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222227 ]
Información matrimonial 1778-1780 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222228 ]
Información matrimonial 1780-1782 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222229 ]
Información matrimonial 1782-1785 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222230 ]
Información matrimonial 1785-1788 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222231 ]
Información matrimonial 1789-1792 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222232 ]
Información matrimonial 1792-1796 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222233 ]
Información matrimonial 1796-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222234 ]
Información matrimonial 1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222235 ]
Información matrimonial 1800 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222236 ]
Información matrimonial 1801 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222237 ]
Información matrimonial 1802-1803 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222238 ]
Información matrimonial 1804-1805 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222239 ]
Información matrimonial 1806-1807 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222240 ]
Información matrimonial 1808-1809 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222241 ]
Información matrimonial 1810-1811 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222242 ]
Información matrimonial 1812 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222243 ]
Información matrimonial 1813-1814 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222244 ]
Información matrimonial 1815 - VAULT INTL Film [ 222245 ]*

Numbers 1-100 of 288 film notes.

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© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Jorge Gomez Montenegro wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to nuestros ranchos so I hope I am writing to the correct address and in the correct language (if I'm not I apologize).
>
> I've been working in my family history for 3 years now but mainly in Yucatán and Galicia from where my father's family came from.
> Now I've started researching my mother's and my wife's side.
>
> My wife is from Guadalajara and her family came from Atotonilco el Alto, Ayotlán, Mesa del Pino and nearby towns and rancherias, the surnames I'm researching are:
> Gutierrez
> Flores
> Alvarez
> Lopez
> Ramirez
> Rodriguez
> Solorio
> Villalpando
>
> Besides, from my mother's side, my great grandfather Rafael Robles Montenegro (it seems it was a compounded surname) was "natural" of Guadalajara (other sources say that from Ameca), married to Cipriana Montes de Oca.
>
> Even though I'm still starting with my Nueva Galicia's lines I hope I will be of some help to you all.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jorge Gomez Montenegro
>
> P.D. If I should be writing to some other address or in Spanish please let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>

Joseph,

I just signed up to help with the indexing. When you are ready to start the pre-colonial records I would like to be a part of that project. In the past I helped to index census records for Mexico under Lyman Platt who worked at the family history library at that time. I also worked for about ten years under Lily Kuntz at the ancestral file at the family history library in Salt Lake City. I also was given permisssion to extract the Ventura Mission records in California. Many of my ancestors are on these films. The film also caught up the Chumush Indians that lived there.

Sincerely,
Irene(Kelly) Sweet

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:12:38 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 10,000 Volunteers Sought

Message circulating the various websites:

Today's Topics:

1. Press Release: 10, 000 Volunteers Sought to Index Mexican
and Other Latin American Records to be put Online. (James W Anderson)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:43:33 -0700
From: James W Anderson
Subject: Press Release: 10, 000 Volunteers Sought to Index Mexican
and Other Latin American Records to be put Online.
To: gen-hispanic@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <1192128213.402936.150120@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Just got this press release in: Get involved, if they get even more
people working on this than the 10,000 indexers they are seeking, the
projects described will be completed that much faster. Some do more
than just one batch a week, sometimes much more, how much one does is
up to you. The website to sign up to do indexing and download the
software mentioned is at this link:

http://www.familysearchindexing.org/

Works best in Windows XP but I'm doing it on a Windows 2000 Pro
machine. Mac and Linux users are also doing indexing as well. The
software download is just under 29 megabytes, so you may have to wait
a while if you are on dialup. A batch downloads in about 3 minutes on
dialup also. You can finish a batch on more than one computer, as you
can save your work to the servers as you go. That way, you can do it
on any computer you have the software installed on at any time.

SALT LAKE CITY - FamilySearch - the world's largest repository of
genealogical records - is calling for 10,000 volunteers who can read
both English and Spanish to help index Mexican, Argentine and other
Latin American records for the Internet.

FamilySearch is embarking on a massive initiative to digitally
preserve and index millions of Latin American records that are now
difficult to access because they are located on microfilm or in an
archive.

The first target is the Mexican census of 1930. People interested in
finding their ancestors in that census now have to hunt among 506
rolls of microfilm at a special library. When the project is finished
within about one year from now, people with Mexican ancestry will be
able to search for relatives easily from their computers at home.

The project is being launched in cooperation with the National
Archives of Mexico.

Paul Nauta, manager of public affairs for FamilySearch, said the
volunteers could spend as little as 30 minutes a week indexing records
from their home computers. Volunteers should register at
FamilySearchIndexing.org, which will allow them to download one batch
(one census page) at a time. Volunteers simply type in the information
highlighted on the digital image. Each batch should take about 30
minutes.

The completed product will be a free, fully searchable online index of
the 1930 Mexico Census, and it will be linked to the original images
at FamilySearch.org. Digital images of the original census can be
viewed currently at FamilySearchLabs.org.

"The 1930 census project will be the first fully indexed census for
Mexico," Nauta said. "When finished, the database will be a tremendous
asset to family historians with Mexican roots."

Nauta said that census records are especially valuable because they
include a large portion of the population and can provide details
about individuals which may not be available on some church and civil
records.

"The 1930 Mexico Census is priceless to genealogists because it is the
most recent, publicly accessible census for Mexico. It can provide an
ancestor's age, birth year, religion, birthplace and occupation,
explain an individual's relationship to family members and provide
other family information," Nauta added.

The 10,000 bilingual indexers will be added to a growing army of
volunteers that will soon top 100,000, well ahead of year-end targets.

Over the past months, FamilySearch has been preparing digital images
of the various census pages and many other records for placement on
the Internet. However, without an index for the material, family-tree
enthusiasts would still have to go through the pages one-by-one
looking for their ancestors.

"Once indexed, the records are searchable in seconds, just like
looking up a name in a phone book - except quicker, easier and
online," Nauta said.

The 1930 Mexico Census marks the first Latin American project for the
Web-based FamilySearch Indexing program. In addition, FamilySearch
indexers just completed the Argentina census of 1895 and will soon
start on that country's 1855 census.

A four-year project to digitize historical land and property documents
and wills in Paraguay has just begun, and civil records in Nicaragua
will become part of the indexing program within 30 days.

FamilySearch is a nonprofit organization sponsored by The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members consider it a
religious obligation to identify their families. FamilySearch
maintains the world's largest repository of genealogical resources,
accessible through FamilySearch.org, the Family History Library in
Salt Lake City and over 4,500 family history centers in 70 countries.

End of GEN-HISPANIC Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33
*******************************************

Congratulations!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Wow congratulations! ! ! this is a wonderful announcement and you and
your wife are probably so so so proud of your growing family. thanks for
sharing with the group and including us in your joy. What a happy time
it is for you and for us to participate in your celebration.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

sgapodaca wrote:
> Hello everybody. It's been a long time since I posted a message on the group. It's been extremely busy. Anyways, I'm just writing to announce (y presumir) that I just added a new generation to my family tree. My daughter Natalie Itzel Apodaca was born on October 11, 2007 in Winston-Salem, NC. She weighed 7 lbs and 1.6 ounces, and measured 20 inches. My wife and I are so happy! Well, I just thought about writing it in this forum, even though there are lots of new members since the last time I posted a message and most haven't read me before.
> \
> saludos
>
> steve
>

Sofia,

Most IGI batches end in 1875 (that has been my experience). You typically don't have any batches after this date. I usually do a quick check to make sure, but I can usually count on just ordering the films I need to look page by page. I can ask around, but it appears that this was the cut off date for extraction work. I recommend searching in SJ de los Lagos during the time period you are research and see if any of the results have batch numbers.

-Lynn

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Sofia,

1. Matrimonios - your 'typical' marriage record created when the couple actually got married. If your ancestors married, then a marriage record should have been made for them.

2. Informacion Matrimonial - pre-marriage investigation that the parish priest did before he married the couple. These are usually several pages in length (depending on the investigation and the priest they range from a couple of pages to 20 or more pages). This investigation was performed to determine that the marrying parties were in good standing with the Church and that they did not have any Canonical impediments that needed to be dispensed before marriage. All marrying couples should have gone through this process. The actual (#1 above), will indicate whether this was performed. Look for key phrases like: "no haviendo resultado impedimiento alguno" or a reference in the marriage record to an investigation and a page number or date when it took place.

3. Dispensas Matrimoniales - This record was made when the couple had a Canonical impediment, such as, being related within 4 generations (common great-great grandparent) by consanguinity (blood) or affinity (marriage). The dispensa will outline the pre-marriage investigation, and will include the diocesan bishop's permission (dispensa) for the couple to marry. This record should outline or diagram how the couple was related. I'm 99% sure that these were also called diligencias (petitions) and exortos as well. I think it depended on the time period, and the person creating the record, and the person cataloging them in the FHLC. George R. Ryskamp's book: Finding Your Hispanic Roots should help you with any distinctions too...I don't have mine with me right now.

As far as which ones should you search. You should begin with the regular marriage records, and look for comments, clues, etc. in them that will point you to the marriage informations and dispensas. If you can't find your ancestor in the actual marriage record, then you may want to search the informaciones matrimoniales, because sometimes the actual marriage records may have been lost or destroyed. You will want to be fairly certain that your ancestors married in that parish first though, because they aren't the most fun records to search page by page. Good Luck...I hope others will correct me if I am off on the diligencias and exortos.

-Lynn

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Hi,
I saw your site from Spain. It looked interesting and it probably has some of
my family information too. I tried all I could with my tool bar to change it
into English. I wasn't able to do it, do you know if you can change
it,on this
site? Thank you. Lupe It's easy for me to speak spanish, but I can't read
it.

Quoting mormonboy74 :

>
> Hello All~ I found a welath of info on Diego is on many of our direct
> lines in the group.
>
> This link is for his crime against the Viceroy in 1566
>
> http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&tx…
>
> The other is his confirmation of office, I hope to save to the groups
> files sometime this week.
>
> http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&tx…
>
>
> -I hope this helps someone! *Daniel Mendez del Camino

I have done some research leading me to my 3rd great-grandfather, Simon Baez born in Purisima Concepcion de Los Angeles, Noria de Angeles, Zacatecas born in 1825, who married Carmen Longina Obiedo, born El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1842.

My 4th Great-Grandfather is Jose Ygnacio Baez, born in Purisima Concepcion de Los Angeles, Noria de Angeles, Zacatecas, as well, but I'm not sure of the date. This information was from the marriage record of the above-named ancestors. Oh, and Jose Ygnacio was married to Maria Josefa Dias de Leon, but I haven't researched for a while...I stopped to take a spanish class! LOL

I replied because of your "Oviedo" name, I had never heard it before. You think there's a connection?

Peggy Delgado

----- Original Message ----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:12:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Perez del Camino Family

Ive made a huge wall breaking in my reasearch, has anyone done research in Pinos, Zacatecas or Noria de los Angeles. My Eugenio del Camino born ca. 1826 was originally from "la parroquia de Con. de los Angeles, this is the same place from Noria de los Angeles. Pre 1800-there wasnt a parish so everyonewent to Pinos
the San Mattias Parish to get there church rites. Does anyone have any Caminos or Oviedos for Pinos Zacatecas? -Daniel Mendez del Camino

No need for Photoshop to get Spanish Archive Images. You can have them emailed to you (up to five images at a time) directly from the site. They are sent as PDFs which you can view with Adobe Acrobat Reader software, which you can download for free.

To get images emailed to you:

1. Go to http://pares.mcu.es/

2. Click on the second option (Busqueda Avanzada)

3. Enter your search terms (in this screen you can limit the search by dates or by particular archive, i.e. Archivo General de Indias)

4. Click the "Buscar" button at the bottom of the page

5. You will get the results summarized by collection, e.g.
# Catálogos de Pasajeros a Indias
# Casa de la Contratación
# Audiencia de Quito
# Contaduría
# Indiferente General
# Escribanía de Cámara de Justicia
Click the relevant collection where you think your document will be found or browse through each one using the "Atras" button to go back to the summary. Using your browser button will not work. Images of licensias para pasar a Indias will be found in the "Casa de Contratacion" collection. Often the listings under the "Catalogo de pasajeros" will cross reference the Contratacion document from where the document was pulled. You can then search for the specific document using the "Busqueda por Signatura" option

6. Click on the camera icon that appears to the right of a document to view the image. Not all documents are yet digitized. The ones that are will have the camera icon.

7. To email the document to yourself, click on the document title from the list instead of the camera. Above the document description there will be several buttons, namely:
# Ver Imagenes (view images)
# Envio telematico (send electronically)
# Codigo de referencia (reference code)
# Imprimir (print)
Click on Envio telematico

8. Enter your email and the page numbers of the pages you would like emailed to you (up to five). You can enter a range, e.g. "1-5" or a comma seperated list, e.g. "1,5,8,10,20" You will obviously have had to see the image and possbily browse through the pages to see which ones you would lke sent to you, or simply keep entering five page ranges until you complete the document.

9. You will receive an email with a PDF attachment of the images you ordered.

Hola Esther,

Have you tried opening the image in photoshop then go to "save as" where you have the choice of the format.

Sofia

Thanks Loulou,

Great ideas for everyone's area of research.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Loulou_R
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:09:47 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] You Tube

Last night my husband and I were on youtube and we did a search for Nochistlan. I discovered there were lots of videos about Nochis. One video was called "Recorriedo Nochistlan" and someone actually drove around Nochis with a video camera in their hand driving up and down streets that were very familiar to me. In another video there were people running around with white powder on their faces (harina and pinole) which of course some of you may know is a very old tradicion called el "Papaqui del Guerito San Sebastian." There are videos which depict other traditions like the "La Coleadera" in Las Animas which is an event I have attended many times, and the Sunday night serenatas in the jardin in Nochistlan.

I did not search for videos of any other pueblos but I would imagine that they exist. I just thought it might be worth mentioning to all of you because I am sure there are many of you researching places you have never been to. I think it is another way to learn about the cultures and traditions that exist in the pueblos we are researching.

Corrine,

How exciting to make this unexpected discovery. This is what makes Genealogy so addicting, when you make that discovery that opens up so many doors.

That is also why we should do our own research and if needed back it up or verify through other people's work, studies books etc. There's nothing like having the document in hand.

I wish you continued success.
Regards,
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Corrine Ardoin
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:49:47 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Robles Family

Hi, all:

I had received an LDS microfilm No. 238073 of the Jesus Parish Records in
Guadalajara, Jalisco for 1876-1883. I had ordered it to look for the
baptism record for my great-grandmother Francisca Cabral, because in her
marriage record it said that she had lived in the Jesus Parish until she was
one year old. However, her baptism record was not on this particular film.
Thankfully, I went ahead and searched through the entire film, just in
case, though I kept telling myself it was probably a waste of time. Lo and
behold, I found someone I had no idea would be in this record from my Robles
family line. The record is as follows:

Jose Emigdio baptized at Iglesia Parroquial de Jesus, Guadalajara March 12,
1879; born March 11, 1879; legitimate son of Magdaleno Cortes and Jesus
Robles. Paternal grandparents: Antonio Cortes and Caciana Padilla.
Maternal grandparents: Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera. Padrinos: Jose
Maria Robles and Manuela Rivera.

Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera are my ggg-grandparents, not on the Cabral
side of the family, but the Martin del Campo side. My mother had told
me Emigdio and Manuela had a daughter named Jesus, but this is the first
record I have found of her, so I was very happy about that, plus learning
about whom she married, etc. Jesus would be my gg-grandmother's (Rita's)
sister. I also found another record with the name Catarina Rivera, who
might be Rita's cousin, so this film turned out to be quite helpful for
these reasons and because it appears the Riveras and Robles were well
represented in that parish.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Lupe:

When you state that you understand that a member has the film for this time and place...

- If a member has a film and is willing to do lookups for other members, they will put their name next to the film information in the Films database, which you can access by clicking "FILMS" from the top menu of the Nuestros Ranchos site.

- If you are certain that your family line is from the city of Aguascalientes, it is probably worthwhile to order the relevant films for the time period, as you will probably want to take scans or printouts of the relevant documents yourself.

- Can you tell us the film number that you are looking for? If you do not know it, please go to http://www.familysearch.org and click on "Library" and then "Family History Library Catalog"

Another good place to start is with Mexican border crossing records. The index is available through Ancestry.com and you can access the images at many libraries that have institutional subscriptions to the service. The border crossing records will list the person's place of birth and their parents' names.

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1082

Social Security records also list the same information:

http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/

Linda, we will be gone until January but we both take our computers, have a printer in the RV and we will get on the internet when parked so we can still e-mail back and forth.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: Linda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:36:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction (Reynoso) Romero

>
Irene,

Thank you for the information. I have copied it and hope to connect
it to my family sometime. Enjoy your trip. I just got back and am
pooped. Trips are fun.

Linda

>
> -Irene Sweet
> wrote:----------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Irene Sweet
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction (Reynoso)
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <943982.8419.qm@web37604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Linda,
>
> Will try and get this information off to you now. Sorry for
> the delay. I have been so busy getting ready to leave on a trip.
> Maria Norberta Romero born Zacatecas, Mexico daughter of
> Ygnacio Romero
> Children of Norberta and Toribio Reynoso:
>
> 1. Maria Rafaela, born about 1812. She married Rafael Mendes, 29
> May 1826, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. Listed as age 14 at time of
> her marriage. ( Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, Film
> 1162574)
>
> 2. Maria Refugio, born 1804, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico, married
> Gregorio Tello, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico.
>
> 3. Maria Dionicia or Leonicia, born 1813/1815, married Balvino
> Lemon, 8 May 1832, Moyahua.
>
> 4. Maria Andrea born 30 Nov. 1816, christened 1 Dec 1816, Santiago
> Apostol, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. married Guillermo Estrada.
>
> 5. Ceciio, born about 1815/1816, listed as age 13 on 1828 padron
> ( film 168840) Married Magdelena Estrada, 2 March 1835, Moyahua.
>
> 6. Maria Marcelina, born 1818. Married Guadalupe Sandoval.
>
> 7. Maria Luisa, born 25 Aug 1819, Moyahua, christened 25 August
> 1819, Moyahua. Married Trinidad Estrada.
>
> 8. Juana, born 1822. Listed as age 6 on the 1828 padron Film 168840.
>
> 9. Jose Gregorio, born 23 April 1823, Moyahua, christened 25
> April, 1823, Moyahua. Married Maria Merced Ponce, 4 August 1847,
> Moyahua.
>
> 10. Maria Bruna, born 9 October 1824, Guagimique Moyahua,
> Zacatecas, Mexico. Christened 11 October, 1824.
>
> 11. Jose Anicieto, born 17 April 1826, christened 20 April, 1826,
> Moyahua. Died 21 August 1899, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. Married
> Demisia Rodriguez, 13 February 1847, Santiago Apostol, Moyahua,
> Zacatecas, Mexico. Film 1162574.
>
> 12. Maria Margarita, born 10 June 1828, christe4ned 12 June, 1828,
> Santiago Apostol, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. Married Damaso
> Reynoso 27 February 1823, Moyahua. Film 1162585. Damaso is the
> son of Melquiades Reynoso and Maria Luz Gomes.
>
> 13. Maria Progedis Reynoso, born 15 Jul 1836, Moral, Zacatecas,
> Mexico, Christened 18 July, 1836, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico.
> Married Ynes Rodriguez 12 February 1847, Moyahua, Film 1162574,
> page 88.
>
> 14. Miguel, born 1834, Married Lucia Garcia.
>
>
> The records for the family are from the catholic church Santiago
> Apostol, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. The records are on microfilm
> and can be obtained at the Family History Library, Salt Lake, City,
> Utah.
>
> Hope this comes in handy for you down the line.
>
> Kelly
>

Linda,

I don't know much about the Romero family. I do know that Maria Norberta had fifteen children and that her parents were: Ygnacio Romero and Ygnacia de Aro. I do have the names of her children. If you would like that information let me know. Sorry I cannot be of more help.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: Linda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:17:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction (Reynoso)

On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Irene Sweet wrote:

> Gabino's dad is Gregorio Reynoso o Renteria who married Maria
> Merced Ponce. Gregorio was born in 1823. He married Maria
> Norberta Romero.

Do you have any more information on Maria Norberta Romero? My Romero
family lived in Tepatitlan for at least 4 generations. They are
Serapio Romero, b. abt. 1820 who married Petra Pena. Their son, Jose
Manuel Romero, b. 1845, married Marcelina de la Torre. In turn,
Manuel and Marcelina's son, Castulo Romero, b. abt 1880, married
Sofia de la Torre. Their son, Jose Ramon Romero was my father. All
the Romero's were born in Tepatitlan.

Linda Romero