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Esther,

Photoshop (used primarily by graphics arts professional and other heavy
graphics users) is expensive and has a steep learning curve. But, don't
fret, we should be able to recommend some alternative that best fits your
apparently simple needs.

So, to start, please describe in some detail what kind of files do you wish
to convert to PDF.
Do your needs relate to genealogical files? If so, what Genealogy program,
if any, are you using?

Efrain Conrique

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> From:
> To:
> Date: 10/12/2007 9:26:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] How do pull images of
>
> I don't have photoshop, guess I will have to purchase it.
>
>
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> Esther A. Herold
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> >
> > Hola Esther,
> >
> > Have you tried opening the image in photoshop then go to "save as"
where you
> > have the choice of the format.
> >
> > Sofia
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This topic comes up every once in while. Do a search and you can look up previous discussions on the subject.

Also, someone a while back submitted these pictures which I thought were interesting. Take a look here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15744

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina

Daniel,

In very old documents, the term "coyote" (also spelled "collote") was used
to describe the offspring of "indio" with "mestiza" (three-fourths indian,
one fourth spaniard). The following terminology for various race mixtures
is found in "México Mestizo" by Agustín F. Basabe Benítez [Fondo de Cultura
Económica, México 1992]:

Español e India = Mestizo
Español y Negra = Mulato
Español y Mestiza = Castizo
Español y Castiza = Español
Español y Mulata = Morisco
Español y Morisca = Alvino
Español y Alvina = ?
Indio y Negra = Lobo? (not sure about this one)
Indio y Mestiza = Coyote
Lobo y Negra = Chino
Chino e India = ?

Bill

For anyone doing Basque research (Guipuzcoa, Viscaya, and Alava) you can find a lot of their parish records online at http://www.irargi.org . Once you get to the home page click on Registros Sacramentales...which is located on the right side of the screen. The dioceses are named after the capitol of each province (San Sebastian, Bilbao, and Vitoria). They hope to have all parish registers extracted in the near future. This is a wonderful way of getting around the microfilm restrictions for this part of Spain. I haven't looked to see if Tolosa has had it's records extracted yet, but if they aren't now they will be soon.

You can read more about Basque resources at: http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.com/2007/04/basque-genealogy-websites…

-Lynn

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Efrain:

Thank you so much for taking the time to enter those batch numbers. The films database grows in its usefulness every time a member like yourself adds more information.

FYI, Ayo el Chico is today the Municipio de Ayotlan. So the films and batches that you mention I believe are listed under that municipality already, but can you check just to make sure?

Hello! Efrain, in the case of Ayotlán or Ayo El Chico, Jal. are the grandparents inscribed? If so, please review for me. I am sending a list of items for check, most interested in grandparents names, if it is not inscribed dont´t work. In the most of Ayotlan grandpas are not named, it has been frustrating. Nice to greet you and thank you very much.

conrique escribió:
Joseph Puentes and Members,

Please note that I have added the following Film #'s and IGI Batch Numbers in the Films Section:

For Etzatlan, Jalisco:
Batch M602979/#0282233 Marriages 1880-1885

For San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco:
Batch M603413/#0220710 Marriages 1823-1841
Batch M603414/#0220711 Marriages 1841-1864
Batch M603415/#0220712 Marriages 1864-1878

For Cuatitlan, Jalisco:
Batch C030619/#N/A Baptisms Girls 1843-1865

For Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco:
Batch C029680/#N/A Baptisms Girls 1786-1792

Also, I was unable to post the following Batch Numbers for Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, because that municipality is not included in the Jalisco pull-down menu. But they are listed below because I thought some members might be interested in them.

For Ayo el Chico, Jalisco:
Batch C604472/#0280672 Baptisms 1764-1786
Batch C604474/#0280674 Baptisms 1799-1819
Batch J604473/#0280673 Baptisms Boys 1768-1799
Batch K604473/#0280673 Baptisms Girls 1768-1799

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

Yes I'd encourage everyone to get involved in the indexing project
currently available at http://www.familysearchindexing.org

I have a request from some of the more fluent members of the group (not
me). Can someone volunteer to take Arturo's initial message and
translate it into Spanish so that everyone in the group will have a
clear understanding of what we're encouraging everyone to do?

joseph

ps: In the past we've gotten into various discussion and some have led
to topics delving into spiritual matters. With regards to whether or not
we get communication from our relatives I wanted to share a brief
account of what happened yesterday. I went in and registered and jumped
into a page for the 1930 Aguascalientes Census and I know about looking
at Census records and rarely do I find records with my surname in them.
Now I know "Puentes" is not rare but it really isn't very common and I
was kind of shocked when toward the bottom of the only page I have
opened and attempted on this Census project there was a Macario Puentes
(I really couldn't make out his first name but it looked like Macario).
I don't recognize this name and for all I know he is not related but I
though it was very interesting AND encouraging. I also took notice that
I needed to pay attention because you never know what doors might open
for your own personal genealogy if you work hard to help others with
their genealogy. I want to be part of a Nuestros Ranchos team that is
one day remembered many generations from now as playing an important
part in helping many advance their genealogical research.

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Lynn Turner wrote:
> Esther asked how much room the software takes...
>
> FamilySearch Indexing takes up about 20-30 MBs.
>
> There have been a lot of questions about indexing, and I doubt that all can be addressed in the mailing list. If you want to learn more you can visit http://www.familysearchindexing.org and click the "Help" tab at the top of the screen. These tutorials will explain a lot about the program in general. Specific instructions will be made available when your pilot project begins. I would recommend that everyone go through lessons 1, 3 & 4 to get a basic understanding of how the program works.
>
> On a side note. You can index offline...you will download the images (as has been mentioned) to your computer, then you can choose to work offline. This is great for those of us that commute to work, or travel (fly, etc) because we can work while offline, then when we connect our computers back up to the internet we can submit the work we've done. All this is explained in the tutorials.
>
> -Lynn
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Arturo, hi this is Pilar Felix I am taking a taking part in the indexing and
is a great opportunity to do it. I also was ask to help to do a little for
Coahuila and Colima. I was wondering if there is other census beside 1930.
I am a member for the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I am a
family history consultant and I am trying for some of our members to also
help with the indexing. I live in Mesa, Arizona and I am wondering if there
is someone from the group that lives close by? We have a great Family
History Center and is open Mon-Sat. there are lots of films from Zacatecas,
Jalisco and I am ordering some from Aguascalientes. We have all the films
from the 1930 census of Mexico. There are wonderful full time and part time
missionaries helping anyone with there geneology. Let me know how I can
help. I have 4 kids (8 yrs, 7 yrs, 3 yrs and 2) but I can find time here and
there to do my geneology.
----- Original Message -----
From: "arturoramos"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Census Indexing Project in Cooperation with
theFamily History Library

>
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members:
>
> This afternoon, Joseph, Mickey and I had a conference call with Ruth
> Schumaker and Lynn Turner of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City
> where they proposed that Nuestros Ranchos serve as the pilot group to use
> Family Search's new digital online indexing technology to index Latin
> American records.
>
> As most of you are probably aware, Family Search has already taken on
> indexing the entirety of the surviving 1930 Mexico Census. If you have
> not yet done so, I suggest you go to:
>
> http://www.familysearchindexing.org
>
> and sign up as a volunteer, download the software and try out the indexing
> software. You can choose to specifically work on the Aguascalientes
> portion of the 1930 Mexico census (which is now being indexed) or any
> other one of the indexing projects currently being worked on.
>
> The proposal made to Nuestros Ranchos is for the indexing of earlier
> censuses from our region (Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes). What
> this would require would be getting a core of people from the group who
> are experienced in extracting Mexican records to serve as arbitrators and
> do quality control and to recruit a larger group of volunteers from within
> the group and from outside of it who would be willing to do the indexing.
>
> The first step is to identify the censuses that we would want to index.
> The only prerequisite is that the census be filmed in the Family History
> Library's collection. I personally believe that colonial era censuses
> would be the most useful, so we would like to identify any and all films
> that include censuses from our three states, especially those from before
> 1820. Please let us know of any films from your towns that you know of,
> especially if they are older censuses. Many are listed in the catalog
> with the subject as "Census", "Padron" or "Padrones" but many others are
> simply listed under parroquial records or are included in a film with
> other records (baptisms, marriages, etc).
>
> Also, if you have ever used a colonial era census film or would like to
> participate as an arbitrator to do quality control, please let us know.
>
> I think this is a great opportunity for each of us to contribute to
> genealogy research from our region. The indexes will be made available
> for searching to the general public online as will the images of the
> census films. By agreeing to provide volunteers for this project, we get
> the digitization and online availabilty of these census films prioritized.
> I personally am very excited about the project and flattered that the
> Family History Library chose Nuestros Ranchos to be the pilot group. I
> hope you can all share in this excitement.

Sorry, I did not explain my self on my previous note.
I live in Ukiah, California a rural community, the LDS Family Center here
only opens on T, W & TH from 10 to 1 and W from 6-8, making it very hard to
really access the library.
To add to this dilemma I travel a lot with my work so even if I order a
film sometimes I can not find the time to be in town and view the film
before it has to be returned to Salt Lake.

Sylvia H Corona

Yes this is a great privilege to have the opportunity to be involved in
a project this important. We are on the cutting edge of getting
information on our area of research put online and accessible to the
public (eventually). Not only can we do something to advance our own
research but we'll be able to hold our heads high knowing that future
generations will have access to this information online in part thanks
to our efforts. Join Arturo, Mickey and I as we join in an effort to
make this project successful. There is a little time before we actually
get started but the time is NOW for you to take Arturo's advice and go
to: http://www.familysearchindexing.org and sign up as a volunteer,
download the software and try out the indexing project. Today I took
that first step and did my first page of the 1930 Aguascalientes Census.
I wish I had listened sooner and was doing pages bit by bit as I had the
time. But at least I've started and I'd like to encourage you to do the
same.

I was able to edit a recording of our conversation this afternoon. Have
a listen when you have time if you want to hear what we discussed:

http://josephpuentes.com/misc/2007-10-08_LDS-NR01_IndexingProject.mp3
http://josephpuentes.com/misc/2007-10-08_LDS-NR02_IndexingProject.mp3

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

arturoramos wrote:
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members:
>
> This afternoon, Joseph, Mickey and I had a conference call with Ruth Schumaker and Lynn Turner of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City where they proposed that Nuestros Ranchos serve as the pilot group to use Family Search's new digital online indexing technology to index Latin American records.
>
> As most of you are probably aware, Family Search has already taken on indexing the entirety of the surviving 1930 Mexico Census. If you have not yet done so, I suggest you go to:
>
> http://www.familysearchindexing.org
>
> and sign up as a volunteer, download the software and try out the indexing software. You can choose to specifically work on the Aguascalientes portion of the 1930 Mexico census (which is now being indexed) or any other one of the indexing projects currently being worked on.
>
> The proposal made to Nuestros Ranchos is for the indexing of earlier censuses from our region (Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes). What this would require would be getting a core of people from the group who are experienced in extracting Mexican records to serve as arbitrators and do quality control and to recruit a larger group of volunteers from within the group and from outside of it who would be willing to do the indexing.
>
> The first step is to identify the censuses that we would want to index. The only prerequisite is that the census be filmed in the Family History Library's collection. I personally believe that colonial era censuses would be the most useful, so we would like to identify any and all films that include censuses from our three states, especially those from before 1820. Please let us know of any films from your towns that you know of, especially if they are older censuses. Many are listed in the catalog with the subject as "Census", "Padron" or "Padrones" but many others are simply listed under parroquial records or are included in a film with other records (baptisms, marriages, etc).
>
> Also, if you have ever used a colonial era census film or would like to participate as an arbitrator to do quality control, please let us know.
>
> I think this is a great opportunity for each of us to contribute to genealogy research from our region. The indexes will be made available for searching to the general public online as will the images of the census films. By agreeing to provide volunteers for this project, we get the digitization and online availabilty of these census films prioritized. I personally am very excited about the project and flattered that the Family History Library chose Nuestros Ranchos to be the pilot group. I hope you can all share in this excitement.

Esperanza:

Thank you so much for your interest in the project. I think that if you go to familysearchindexing.org and download the software and try doing a page or two of the Aguascalientes census you will get a pretty good idea of what we will be doing, except that we will be doing it with colonial era censuses for the most part.

Here are the answers to your questions.

1) Where would we get the census and notary records that are being asked for us to index?
>> The new indexing software developed by the Family Hostory Center which is now being used on familysearchindexing.org uses digital scans of films that are downloaded one image at a time via the internet by the software. The software then links the indexed data to the corresponding image so someone can click on a name and see the original filmed image online!

a) Would these records be provided to us?
>> Yes, once we finalize the films that will be involved in our project, they will be prioritized for digitalization so that the images can be downloaded online by the indexers and arbitrators.

2) There is a present sentiment of not duplicating existing church records of marriages or baptisms, however some of these records do no exist for certain time frames.
a) Personally, I would be interested in helping with this data, even if
augmented through census data. More specifically, records missing for
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. Would these records/films be made available for us to help with the indexing?
>> Lynn and Ruth feel that since there are already efforts to link existing IGI and VRI indexes to their corresponding film images, that they would have a hard time getting resources to have already indexed films re-indexed using the new system. That being said, there are obviously baptism and marriage records that are not indexed but they do not think they would be able to get prioritized resources for doing such records at this time. That being said, I think if we are successful, they will have a good story to tell as far as getting those other records done.

3) There are 26 films, will each of us be responsible for one, or will
there will be several of us working on them to double check against our data input?
>> The way it works, an indexer "checks out" and image. Each image is only checked out to two people (since all data is entered twice for quality control) and if someone does not finish their image within a couple of weeks, it is returned to be checked out by someone else. Thus a given film can be indexed by hundreds of people at the same time. That is the wonder of the system! We just have to recruit hundreds of people to help and each person doing just a few images will get the film completed in no time.

PS, Which unindexed Tlaltenango marriage/baptism records are you interested in?

Just another reminder to anyone who is considering attending this conference. I am leaning towards attending and would love to see other Ranchos members there. Mickey, Josie, Kitty, Ulla-Britt and a whole bunch of us all met there last year and had a great time.

In addition to hearing George Ryskamp and our own Lynn Turner, you get the chance to do some research in the library. Salt Lake City is beautiful that time of year as well, even if there is not yet skiing.

Please contact me if you are considering going.

Looking into my notes, I was able to attend the Third conference Hispana de
Historia Familiar por "Legado Latino" Oct 14, 2000 in Provo, Utah.
I will like particularly if you are new to the research of genealogy to
encourage you to attend.
Looking back that is where I learned the most and gave me the tools to
continue my research.
For those that are old at this, like I consider myself, (I wish I can go)
since 2000 to today many technology changes have taken place.
Since I connected with Nuestros Ranchos I have learned many things on how
to access information electronically.
Well, I hope you can plan to attend.

Sylvia H Corona

I want to encourage anyone to attend, I did attend the conference about 6
years ago, and I learned a lot.
Specially if you are new doing research you learn a lot.

Sylvia H Corona

Yes! Please send me a copy of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Enrique de Manleon.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "mormonboy74"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 21:51
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lope Ruiz de Esparza & Enqrique de Manleon

>
> Hello everybody! I wento the FHC and happen to notice they had the
> Catalogos a Indias from 1509-1680. I quicky remembered about Don Lope! So
> I scanned myself a copy of Lope and his maestro Don Enrique de Manleon. I
> have both now for my records and it dates 1593 in Mexico City. If anyone
> wants one I can scan one over email. Email me at

Arturo,

I, too, have extracted baptismal, marriage and burial entries of
"espanoles" for 0299421 (and other films in early AGuas.), and can't
find the entry you're looking for. I've reconstructed many families and
tried to cross-reference Diaz, Santiago, Turises, etc., but can't seem
to find them.

I, too, have found ancestors whose families were based in the town of
Aguas., but who moved out into Lagos de Moreno or Teocaltiche, in Jalisco.

Will search around a bit more. Good luck.

Connie

----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos
Date: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:43 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Early Aguascalientes Marriages
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

>
> Is there a resource for early marriage records from Aguascalientes,
> Aguascalientes. There appears to be no filmed marriage records
> prior to 1663.
>
> I am looking for the marriage of Felipe Diaz de Santiago with
> Isabel de Turises which should have occured sometime between 1630
> and 1640.
>
> Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

Arturo,

Most early records of Aguascalientes are found in LDS Film 299421 which includes Marriages 1601-1662 and 1667-1670, as well as Baptisms 1616-1660. The original records are in separate books but were included in the same film for one reason or another. I extracted baptismal and marriage data for individuals listed as "españoles" but did not find a Felipe Diaz de Santiago married to Isabel de Turises for 1630-1640. As I recall, some pages from 1629-1633 were not microfilmed and may be lost. I have the film on permanent loan and can check the exact missing dates if you wish.

Saludos,

Bill Figueroa

Based on my reasearch I found a lot of early Aguas people in Los Altos and other parts of Jalisco especially in Lagos or Guadalajara. -Daniel Mendez del Camino> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:41:26 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Early Aguascalientes Marriages> > > Is there a resource for early marriage records from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. There appears to be no filmed marriage records prior to 1663.> > I am looking for the marriage of Felipe Diaz de Santiago with Isabel de Turises which should have occured sometime between 1630 and 1640.> > Any leads would be greatly appreciated.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi Sylvia,
I have a Josepha Flores hija natural of Hernan Flores De La Torre and Catalina Clara, married Francisco Agustin and they had a son by the name of Francisco Flores who petition the sagrada mitra for dispensation. I hope this helps.

Anna Arellano Smith

Sylvia Corona/Rcac wrote:

I am looking for descendencia de Diego Vázquez de Buendía
Diego Vázquez de Buendía puede ser hijo del conquistador casó con
Josepha Flores que era difunta el 12 de Octubre de 1645 cuando testó el
padre de ella Don Hernán Flores de la Torre.

Doña Juana Velázquez y el Capitán Diego Vázquez De Buendía tuvieron 3
hijos y 4 hijas, de los que se sabe hasta ahora son:
Tercera Generación
3-1 Juana VÁZQUEZ Velázquez
3-2 Hernán VÁZQUEZ Velázquez
Palomino y Cañedo dice que su descendencia al parecer quedó en
Aguascalientes.
Any information related to them, I will apreciate. I concentrate por years
my research to Jalisco and not until now that I begin participating in
Nuestros Ranchos that I am searching in Zacatecas and Aguscalientes.
Thank you

Sylvia H Corona

Hello Sylvia,

As I recall, there is some info. about the descendants of the Alférez Real Hernán Flores, 1er. Encomendero de Juchipila, Fundador de Guadalajara y Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, in "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" por Mariano González-Leal [Tomo II, Universidad de Guanajuato, Centro de Investigaciones Humanísticas, Escuela de Filosofía y Letras, 1983]. I'm checking early records of Aguascalientes but so far have not been able to identify any descendants of Diego Vázquez de Buendía and Doña Juana Velázquez. However, I've found a Doña Aldonsa Vázquez de Buendía who married Diego López de Nava. Their child Ursula was baptized in Aguascalientes (Ursula López de Nava fue bautizada el 21 de noviembre de 1645 en la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes, siendo su padrino Martín Pérez Domínguez). Both Diego López de Nava and Aldonsa Vázquez de Buendía died and were buried in Aguascalientes. Diego died on 13 June 1656 and Aldonsa on 21 Nov 1645. I don't know how Diego Vázquez de Buendía was related to Doña Aldonsa, but judging by their burial dates I believe they may have been brother and sister. Do you have them in your database?

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Bill Figueroa