Nuestros Ranchos Site

I just wanted to share an anecdote...

Today, one of my best friends from college... which was more than ten years ago for me tracked me down. She Googled me, which is probably a pretty common occurance these days but she immediately asked me what sort of genealogy research I was doing. It seems that when someone Googles me they get the podcast that I did for Joseph and his podcast series when I was in Mexico last year.

Joseph... thank you for bringing all of us together and thank you for your work. I think we can forgive your minor transgression.

P.S. Is there anyone who would like a photo-quality poster size print of a map of Zacatecas from the mid-1800s from Antonio Garcia Cuba's Atlas geografico, estadistico e historico de la Republica Mexicana?

I printed a few copies and have one left over...

His research does include Sonora. Sorry to leave that state off the list.

Unfortunately, I see no mention of Ortega, Tisnado, nor Lisarraga.

---- George Hoge wrote:
> Sorry to eavesdrop; however, I found this message of special interest. If
> Sonora is mentioned, you have my undivided attention.To date I have been
> able to trace my TISNADO line to the marriage of Juan Domingo Tisnado and
> Ma. Magdalena Contreras in 1736 in Magdalena, Sonora. As shown by a later
> padrón, he is listed as being of the presidio de Túbac. In addition, forty
> years later his son, Juan José Tisnado, is listed in the muster rolls of the
> presidio de Tucsón.
>
> Regarding the surname Ortega, I have found numerous instances of
> intermarriage between the TISNADO, ORTEGA and LISARRAGA. This marriages
> ocurred in the area of the presidio de Altar.
>
> George
>
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: NathanJones
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo & Rangel across Aguascalientes,
> > Jalisco, Chihuahua, Nayarit and Sinaloa.
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> >
> > Dear cousins:
> >
> > I just got this email from a gentleman in Aguascalientes who is
> > researching our same lines. He must have run across my homepage. As I
> > understand his message Diego Romo de Vivar ranged over a wider area than
> > we anticipated, not extending his lifestyle to Hidalgo del Parral,
> > Chihuahua alone, but reaching as far north in Nueva Biscaya as Villa
> > Ahumada, which he founded.
> >
> > If you've never been there, I highly recommend Villa Ahumada. It's the
> > town that cheese built. I think Menonite Cheese, but in any case a soft,
> > moist, white cheese served on a fresh hand made tortilla.
> >
> > Out of this world! Vendors sell them to passing cars, trains,
> > busses....pedestrians! They probably sold them to passing wagon trains.
> >
> > All decades before Pollo Loco!
> >
> > Ernie: dame un poco m?s de informaci?n sobre los Romo de Vivar: Diego y
> > Pedro. Te informo que Diego estuvo unos a?os en Chihuahua como
> > colonizador
> > y fund? lo que ahora es Villa Ahumada.. Es probable que haya dejado
> > descendencia fuera de matrimonio por all?. Hay un estudio interesante de
> > ese
> > episodio.Tengo documentado que se cas? en Aguascalientes, no en Espa?a.
> > Pedro estuvo en Alamos, Sonora tambi?n como colonizador, pero al parecer
> > volvi? ya viejo a Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Es fundador de la mayor?a de las
> > l?neas geneal?gicas de Los Altos de Jalisco y de ah?, de las de Sonora y
> > Sinaloa. Tengo la hip?tesis de que vinieron a Am?rica por que son primos
> > hermanos del Capit?n Juan Rinc?n de Vivar y el Presb?tero Pedr? Rinc?n (de
> > Vivar) de Ortega, poderos?simo personaje que fund? el mayorazgo de los
> > Rinc?n-Gallardo. Es probable que los Romo hayan venido a ayudar a los
> > primos
> > ricos y luego que sirvieron a la corona como colonizadores en las
> > fronteras
> > de los chichimecas, se asentaron en esta regi?n como propietarios. Est?
> > documentado (Archivo hist?rico de Aguascalientes, 1654), que ambos
> > estuvieron un tiempo en la costa de lo que ahora es Nayarit, junto con
> > otros
> > colonos del centro de Nueva Galicia, defendiendo la costa de los ataques
> > piratas.
> > Saludos
>

Pat...

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It seems to be working now. I
think that the server that we have the site on has some sites that are not
well designed and overload the database server from time to time.

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From: Pat Silva Corbera
Date: 2006/07/20 Thu PM 08:15:22 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GEDCOM Database

I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file
database.
Pat Silva Corbera

TNG Genealogy Database
Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance
downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

My Tio Beto used to call me "Baquita" (calf) when I was little because
he said I couldn't say "Maguita" when I was little. Evermore that was
his name for me, and I'd love to hear him say it again if it meant he
was alive. His real name was Roberto. Marge:)
On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:17 PM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames,
> which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such
> nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a
> resounding yes.
>
> In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my
> siblings, cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names.
> We all had apodos for each other. The nicknames tended to be
> physically descriptive, often derogatory on the surface and always
> clever...
>
> Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche",
> "el prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"
>
> You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother,
> who is much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names...
> some of mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.
>
> I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose
> father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who
> was pigeon-toed, etc.
>
>
>

I agree with you, Arturo!

I remember my dad's friends mostly by their nicknames: "la tachuela" (this
man was short) "el blue" (this man had blue eyes) "el coyote" (this man did
NOT look like a coyote!) "la porcha" (this man had fish-looking eyes!) and
on and on.......I never thought of them by any other names! It seems to me
that mostly the men were given these nicknames.....I don't remember any for
women, except those derived from their actual names, such as "Chavela" for
Isabel, "Nena" for Irene, "Lola" for Dolores, etc.

All this brings back many wonderful memories! I only wish I had asked more
questions when I was younger and all these folks were still around! I can
imagine the stories they would have told me! :-) More than likely, they
could have given me a lot of clues to help me now with my genealogy
research!

Thanks for reminding me of "the good old days".......

Josie

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:18 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Nicknames

In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames, which in
Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such nicknames were common
among Mexican people. My answer would be a resounding yes.

In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my siblings,
cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names. We all had apodos
for each other. The nicknames tended to be physically descriptive, often
derogatory on the surface and always clever...

Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche", "el
prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"

You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother, who is
much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names... some of
mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.

I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose
father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who was
pigeon-toed, etc.

chula801 wrote:
I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" are middle names etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez Pena and Lopez are both last names and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names?

Lavaniya

Lavaniya:

Those are definitely middle names... in fact they are more like first names if you consider that during a certain period in Mexico devout Catholic families named all of their male children Jose and all of their female children Maria and thus the only differentiation of their names was what came after that... i.e. Maria del Refugio was "Cuca", Maria de los Angeles was "Angelita" and Maria del Rosario was "Chayo" while Jose de Jesus was "Chuy", Jose Antonio was "Tono" and Jose de Guadalupe was "Lupe"...

Having read large sections of films from the 17th century from beginning to end, I have noticed that in that time period, when indigenous and Afro-Mexican individuals were mentioned, they tended not to have surnames. As such, the "second name" was so important in differentiating them that sometimes their children took it on as a surname since they did not have any other surname so I have run across a number of individuals identified as mulatos named Juan "Baptista" and their children were then given the surname "Baptista" or lots of individuals identified as Gaspar "de la Cruz" and their children ended up with the surname "Cruz".

However, in all of these cases there were no other surnames and the second name was very distinctive, such that it would not be common as a first name... i.e. I have never seen a Jose de Jesus whose children ended up with the surname Jesus.

I hope this answers your question.

Another important, related thing to remember is that in the Spanish speaking world, surname conventions were very different than what we see in the English speaking world today. It was very common for children to use EITHER the maternal or paternal surname, to combine them or sometimes for surnames to skip generations or sometimes they seem to have be inherited from an uncle or padrino...

I think there was a convention that surnames should differentiate people with otherwise similar names so two siblings named Maria one would take the paternal, the other the maternal, or surnames were inherited according to which family owned the land... a la Jackie O'Nassis keeping her Kennedy name. I think this is an issue that has yet to be examined academically though I know there is a lot of interest and lots of questions out there.

Adding to Joseph's comments about your mailing list preferences... everyone should note that if you unsubscribe from the group altogether you will not be able to access all of the restricted areas of the site. You do not have to receive emails from the lists in order to be a member. As Joseph mentioned, there is a "Digest" option whereby you receive only one email from the list per day with all of the postings that were made that day.

That means that you can choose to have one or all lists on "Digest" or if even this is too much for your mailbox, simply select "No Mail" and then you will not receive any postings but you will still be able to post to the lists and the webiste via email.

I personally have only the "Research" list emailing me as these are the messages that usually require feedback and more immediate attention. I check the other messages from the other lists on the site every couple of days.

The "No Mail" option is also useful when you go on vacation. Rather than having the list fill up your mailbox while you are not able to access it, you can simply turn off the mailings for a week (or two if you are lucky enough to take vacations that long) and then change it back to Digest or All Mail when you get back.

Nicknames.

Juan= Paco? I lived in Mexico for quite a number of years and Juan was
=Juan, Juancio, Juancho, or Juanito. I never heard Paco used for Juan, until
now. I could be wrong.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicknames and Name translations

> ---- aajay1073 wrote:
>>
>> I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I
>> understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original name
>> or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not
>> standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the
>> orignal name like:
>>
>> Refugio = Cuca
>> Jose = Pepe
>> Juan = Paco
>> Francisco = Pancho
>> Jesus = Chuy
>>
>> Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating
>> there name, ie
>>
>> Carlos = Charles
>> Diego = James
>> Esperanza = Hope
>>
>> Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
>> Hilario = Larry
>> Jesus = Jesse
>>
>> Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don't think Refugio
>> translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest 'R'
>> name.
>>
>> Just my two centavos,
>> Angie Godina.

OK fess up who is your Castañeda cousin and from where. give us some
details. Are you related to Helyn's Castañedas from Tlaltenango?

I've got some Castañeda's from Cuculiten, but I don't know a lot about them.

joseph

Maria Cortez wrote:

>This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
>different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
>Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>
>
>

Hi Maria, Enrique & Tino,
It appears that I too have a common line with you. My line descends from Petron de Islas>Mariana Delgadillo>Mariana Flores de Medrano>Maria Diaz Montanez>Juana Josepha Gonzalez>Juan Baptista Sandoval>Maria Rumualda de Guadalupe Sandoval & Joseph Theodoro Jauregui>Salvador de Jáuregui>Jose Victoria Xáuregui-my great-grandfather.

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Hts, CA

Maria Cortez wrote: This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta�eda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

Maria

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I have a Diego Delgadillo but he was born abt 1661 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, died 25 Dec 1726, in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. But I have him married abt 1690 to a Fabiana Ramirez De Mendoza.

I found one child for them named Petronila Delgadillo born about 1698 and married to Juan De Dios Gutierrez de Mendoza 29 January 1714 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico.

Maria-Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg
Maria Cortez wrote:
This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

Maria

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Silva Corbera

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diogo Delgadillo Ancestry
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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It appears that Enrique Legaspi Frias and Florentino (Tino) Corbera share
common ancestry, via Diego Delgadillo married to Petrona de Isla. This is
the same line that linked with Maria Cortes, another NuestrosRanchos member.
Tino's line continues from Diego and Petrona via their daughter Mariana
Delgadilo bapt. 23 March 1655, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico, and married to
Francisco Flores de Medrano.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA.

Hi Maria,

This is great! I'm beginning to believe that if one has Nochistlan
ancestry, then a common ancestor will be found within NuestrosRanchos.
We'll keep looking, need more to have a big fiesta.
Pat

I was actually replying to Manuel who resides in Denver and is doing
research in Canadas, Jalisco. But I'm glad you replied because I'm
interested in what you said about the 2 volume book on Marriage
Investigations of Guadalajara. Can you supply the exact title, author,
ISBN #, Publish, and info on that Genealogy group in Texas if it's
handy? You also mention the book by Hilton which I was familar with but
didn't know about this other book that is why I'm interested. thanks much,

joseph

eaherold@att.net wrote:

> Joseph,
>
> I have about 5 film from the Diocese of Guadalajara dealing with
> marriage investigations from
> the 1600s and 1700s. I also have the 2 vol book on Marriage
> Investigations of Gaualajara put out by the
> Genealogy group in Texas. I also have the 1 st volume of Marriage
> Investigations by Hilton.
> If you need me to do lookups from these books I am available.
>
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
> : --------------
>
>
> > So are you using your Family History Center in Denver? have you
> used the
> > www.familyserarch.org site to find and order films yet?
> >
> > unfortunately for Canadas, Jalisco the pickens are slim as they
> only
> > have Civil records and no church records. . .what follows is a
> partial
> > listing:
>

Ernie,

"My sister is no shrinking violet. One time she was giving an outdoor
reading in Westwood... "

Ok! here's another connection, "Westwood." That's where many of Tino's
paternal relatives reside. They have been there for years, working in the
logging/saw mill business. Do you have family in Westwood?

No one that I have known named Pat would ever be considered a "shrinking
violet, thought the nickname Patsy may be misleading to some! ;-)
Pat Silva Corbera

Arturo,

Thank you for the look-up, while it doesn't connect me to any of these Olmos It does allow me to see that the surname Olmos goes back to the sixteenth century in Toledo.

Alicia
San Jose, Ca

----- Original Message ----
From: Arturo Ramos
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:09:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas de Olmos

Alicia:

Martin del Olmos is mentioned in a letter from a Diego Trujillo living in
Cuzco, Peru in 1564. The letter states that he "con Francisco de Aguilera
que va de estas partes que es natural de Toledo y lleva de Martin de Olmos
doce mil pesos, halos llevar a esa ciudad os evnio doscientos y veinte y
cuatro ducados libres de toda costa y derechos."

Fray Juan del Olmo is mentioned in a letter from Pedro de Najera a su hermano
Diego Gonzalez de Najera from Lima in 1587 stating "en estos galeones
vinieron quince frailes de San Francisco los tres de ahi de Cuenca y otrs que
han estado ahi. Todos me dieron nuevas de ustedes y todos ellos escriben.
Llamanse los de Cuenca Fray Pedro de Agreda, Fray Gines de Brihuega y Fray
Juan del Olmo..."

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From: Alicia Carrillo
Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 12:47:41 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas de Olmos

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:39:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas

Arturo,
Could you please do a lookup for Olmo, Fray Juan, Del, Pg 428 and
Olmos, Martin, Page 479s.

Thanks,
Alicia

Arturo and Maria

I was told by my cousin during his readings on Spain and Mexico that Spain did not allow passage from other countries to enter Mexico. If someone from another country wanted to sail to Mexico then they would have to enter a port in Spain and then sail from Spain to Mexico, there were no direct passages.... an old fashion lay over so to speak. I have not done any research to confirm his findings. Just passing along what I heard on the subject.

Rose

I can not open this file... something to do with a document conversion.
Pat

Well I want to Publicly thank Arturo for setting up that wonderful
Gedcom Database that we have. Thanks Arturo!

Well please do forward my email address to my Primo Dave also ask him if
he'd be interested in joining Nuestros Ranchos for his Los Altos genealogy

. . .that particular branch I have done very little work on. I really
need to get back to it as I know it is a very very rich line and surely
one that will get me back to Spain before the Jalisco side of the
family. . . .but alas my passion and enthusiasm seems to lie with my
Jalisco and Zacatecas roots. . .maybe because that's where I first
started my genealogy back in 2002.

No I don't have Higinia Rios who was that a sister to Tranquilina?

is Sevastian Maldonado the father of Encarnacion Maldonado or further back?

thanks Rose I appreciate you discovering that your cousin and I are
cousins. I guess that would make the 3 of us a circle of primos.

I appreciate your help with this line. if nothing else it reminds me
that I need to get back to Juarez and start doing some serious work there.

thanks again,

joseph

Rose Hardy wrote:

>Joseph
>
>My cousin Dave is related to you thru Roman Maldonado and Maria Tranquilina Rios. His direct line is Maria Salome Rafaela Maldonado the sister to your Antonia Maldonado. I was viewing your tree, do you have Maria Higinia Rios? I traced Dave's Maldonado's to Sevastian Maldonado and Maria Ygnacia Delfin.
>
>MRA. HIGINIA RIOS
> Female
> Christening: 11 MAY 1851 Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
>Parents:
> Mother: TRANQUILINA RIOS Family
>Source Information:
> Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
> K600525 1848 - 1857 0162706 Film NONE
>
>Dave is also a Los Altos cousin. He and I are related about 11 times about 11-12 generations back in Aguascalientes; Nochistlan, Zacatecas; Teocaltiche and Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco. He also has Banuelos in Colotlan which may be another connection to you or to your cousin Andy.
>
>Rose

MARIA LUJAN wrote:

>
>MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: MARIA LUJAN
>Subject: Research
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>
> Looking for Lujan surname in Sain del Alto Zacatecas. My grandfather Jose Lujan born May 11, 1896 was illegitamite born to Leonarda Lujan fathered by Eduardo Martinez. Would like to find out more about his mother's family I know there was several sisters. Would like to find out what year Leonarda Lujan was born and where her family came from.
>
> I live in Northern California. I am an artist and I teach young children. I have three grown children.
>
> I have always had an interest in finding out where my roots lie and what I am all about. That is all I'll share for now. Hope you can help me because I also want to know about my grandmother's family surname Castaneda from Sain del Alto, Zacatecas she was born there as Maria Mendoza Castaneda May 29, 1903.
>\
>

there is probably a Family History Center close to you. Here are some of
the films that might get you off to a start:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1792-1963

Authors
Iglesia Católica. San Sebastián (Sain Alto, Zacatecas) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Diocesano de Durango.
Algunos tomos incluyen su propio índice.
Microfilme de alta reducción (42x). Se requiere lectora de alta
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages and deaths.

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Sain Alto - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah

Physical
En 3 carretes de microfilme ; 16 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Bautismos vol. 1-17 1867-1905 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563088 ]
Bautismos vol. 17-26 1905-1933 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563089 Items 1-10 ]
Confirmaciones vol. 1-5 1846-1854, 1869-1879, 1896-1914, 1922-1940 -
FHL INTL Film [ 1563089 Items 11-15 ]
Matrimonios vol. 1-7 1864-1931(vols. fuera de orden) - FHL INTL Film [
1563089 Items 16-22 ]
Defunciones vol. s/n 1867 vol. 3 1912-1963 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563090
Items 1-2 ]
Información matrimonial vol. h/s 1792-1930 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563090
Item 3 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

hi everyone! i live in orem, utah, and although i haven't personally done any family history research before, my dad and grandma have researched my side of the family extensively. so i'm new to all this and i've just started doing the genealogy for my husband's family who are mostly from MASCOTA,JALISCO since no one has even started. i've begun talking to family members, requesting film, marriage, birth and death records, etc, and am hoping to get down there at some point. i would love any other tips you more seasoned veterans of genealogy may have for me to help me along.

the surnames i'm looking for are jimenez, castillo, rodriguez, curiel, hernandez, pena, lopez and diaz. right now, since i've just started, i'm just looking in the late 1800's to early 1900's.

so in behalf of my husband and myself, thanks for your help (in advance!)

lavaniya sutton jimenez
j. gabriel jimenez castillo

My name is Esther A. Herold. I have been doing genealogin research since 1993. I am researching in many states in Mexico for the following surnames:

Coahuila:
Ayala, Arredondo, Robles, Trevino, Gutierrez, Zavala, Zamora, Yrigollen, La Mancha, Ybarra, Elizondo, Gonzalez, Barrera, Rodriguez, Flores de Valdez, Ssanchez Navarro, Navarro, Arriola, de la Cerda, Rivas, Perales, Pinto, Munguia, Urdinola, Garza, Farias, Hernandez, Montemayor, Del Canto, Flores Abrego, La Mancha, Lobo GUerrero

Zecatecas: Zavala, Sepulveda, Trevino, Robles, Elizondo, Ybarra, La Mancha, Munguia, Ayala, Velasco, Banuelos, Urdinola, Garza, Farias
Del Canto, Zaldivar, Onate, La Mancha,

Nuevo Leon:
Ayala, Arredondo, Sepulveda, Garza, Villarreal, Arriola, Elizondo, ANcira, Yslas Palacios, Farias, Garcia, Zaldivar, Trevino, Flores, Ramos Arriola, Yslas Palacios, Barrera, Munguia, Cantu, Fernandez,
Pinto, Rivas, Los Santos, Casas, Rodriguez Montemayor, Montemayor,

San Luis Potosi:
Lobo Guerrero, Pinto, Galvez, Acosta, Los Santos, Ramos Arriola, Zaldivar, Melendez

Guanajuato:
Lobo Guerrero, Acosta,

Welcome.

Albert Daurte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

Can you record the presentations through the PA system? If you can get
me a good clean digital copy of your presentation maybe we can share
with the world via a podcast. what do you think?

joseph

mexicanfhr wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I just wanted to let everyone know, that I will be teaching a class at the Northern Utah Family History Conference & Symposium, in Ogden, Utah on Oct. 7th, the Saturday before the Legado Latino Conference. And I also been asked to be a speaker at the St. George, Ut 2007 Genealogy & Family Heritage Jamboree, in St. George, Utah on Feb 9-10. Both conferences are being sponsored by www.myancestorsfound.com . Both classes with be on Mexican Research. So if anyone will be in the area, please come and enjoy the conferences.
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>Jonathan

Hello:

During the last months I´ve found several books that are helping me understand more about the Colonial times in Mexico. For the people in Mexico you can find those books at: Fondo de Cultura Económica.

There are many stores through all Mexico. In the store of Santiago de Queretaro (where I live) there is a really big history section.

I´ve bought at a very accesible price the following:
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El Virreinato I; Origenes y jurisdicciones, y dinamica social de los virreyes; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

El Virreinato II; Expansion y defensa Primera Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

El Virreinato III; Expansion y defensa Segunda Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

El Virreinato IV; Obras Publicas y educacion universitaria; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe

Los Conquistadores; Figuras y escrituras; by Jacques Lafaye

Razas, clases sociales y vida politica en el Mexico colonia 1610-1670; by Jonathan I. Israel

Carta Privada de emigrantes a Indias 1540-1616; by Enrique Otte

La nobleza mexicana en la epoca de la Independencia 1780-1826; by Doris M. Ladd

Los señores de Zacatecas; Una aristocracia minera del siglo XVIII novohispano; Prefacio de Francois Chevalier; by Frederique Langue

Pasajeros de Indias; Viajes trasatlánticos en el siglo XVI, by Jose Luis Martines

La formacion de los latifundios en Mexico, Haciendas y sociedad en los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII; by Francois Chevalier

Mineria y sociedad en el Mexico colonial Zacatecas (1546-1700); by P.J. Bakewell

Inquisicion y Sociedad en Mexico 1571-1700; by Solange Alberro
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This are the ones that I´ve been able to find in less than a year or two, I would love to visit the stores in Mexico City because they are much bigger and with a more ample catalog, but in time I will do that.

Any info you need just ask and I´ll be glad to help. Perhaps It´ll take some time but we all know that a genealogist gift is patience.

Best Regards
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
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Don't worry....you're not missing anything. There are NO Rangels
and only one Romo. :( I actually found very little that offered
direct help on my lines from this book. However, I still feel
it is an excellent collection. The letters give terrific insights
into the times. And, although I'm certain some errors could
exist in dates/times, etc., I believe most relationships and
locational comments were near correct, because they were writing
most often to family members.

Re Romo:
The only Romo is Juan del Romo, only casually mentioned as someone
temporarily accommodating friends in a letter from Pedro del
Castillo to his son, Pedro del Castillo, in Torija.

I'm reprinting here, only the adjunct section containing the
Romo name, as the letter is quite long.

No. 121 - p. 126
"Pedro del Castillo a su hijo Pedro del Castillo, en Torija.
Mexico, 1.X.1593"

"Pedro el Corvo y su mujer quedan en mi casa, Juan Perez y sus
hijos en casa de Chamorro, los Perandreses en casa de Juan del
Romo, Juan de Rebollasa esta con un tocinero, Bernabe Rojo y
su mujer estan en una tienda, han estado en mi casa tres semanas.
Juan Redondo y sus hijos estan en casa de Corral. A la de Ruiz
le besa las manos su hermana Leonor."

Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters
were written VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of
immigrants I think came a bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz
de Esparzas didn't immigrate until the late 16th or early 17th
centuries and really didn't play a factor in this community at
the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from
Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably
because few letters were collected from the sparsely populated
new frontiers; and 3) the book does include letters from Central
and South America.

All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants.

Connie

Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA

The name "Marin de Herrera" appears in a marriage dispensation for Tlaltenango. The Prudencio Herrera you are looking for is likely a son of Cayetano Marin de Herrera (the dates match and the surname Marin de Herrera appears to have been a composite name up until the early 1700s).

Look in the GEDCOM database for the last name MARIN DE HERRERA and you will see the entries of his potential father and potential siblings.

His parents should be listed on the marriage record. Have you seen film 0443969 yet to read the entry?

PRUDENCIO MARIN DE ERRERA
Spouse: NICOLAZA PAULA DE ESTRADA Family
Marriage: 19 OCT 1757
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch No. M607141 Film 0443969

How do you know this is the same Prudencio Herrera that married Manuela Estrada? Does it list him as a widower on that record? Where was that couple married and what year?