Nuestros Ranchos Site

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From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Arturo
Ramos
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:43 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tlaltenango
Census

If anybody is interested, I copied the
transcription of a 1650
Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and
email to whomever
would like it.  There is not much in terms of
names... only the
owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with the
number of
people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but there is some

interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic and economic

information in it.  The names that are mentioned
include:

Antonio de Castro
Lorenzo de Miramontes
Tomasina de
Haro
Hernando Lamas
Martin Gonzalez
Juan de Miramontes
Domingo de
Lamas
Martin Tello de Orozaco
Martin Lopez
(los)
Melendes
Francisco de Luna
Pedro de Solis
Antonio de Rivera
Luis
Felix

 Arturo,

Please send me a copy of the Tlaltenango Census.

Thank You 
Sally

Hi Arturo!

Please, please, please send me a copy. Most of the
names on this list are my wife's.
 
> Lorenzo de Miramontes
> Tomasina de Haro
> Hernando Lamas

> Juan de Miramontes
> Domingo de Lamas
> Martin Tello de Orozaco
 
> Francisco de Luna
> Antonio Miramontes
> Nicolas de Haro
> Tomas Vela
> Lorenzo de Miramontes

and I like to view..
> (los) Munoces (Munoz)

Jose Munoz



--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription
> of a 1650 
> Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and
> email to whomever 
> would like it.  There is not much in terms of
> names... only the 
> owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with
> the number of 
> people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but
> there is some 
> interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic
> and economic 
> information in it.  The names that are mentioned
> include:
> 
> Antonio de Castro
> Lorenzo de Miramontes
> Tomasina de Haro
> Hernando Lamas
> Martin

thanks Arturo. . .great idea and where did you find that information? Is
it on a FHL film? or a book? give us the references so we can find it
also. I might be related to Lorenzo de Miramontes. . .not sure though.

joseph

Arturo Ramos wrote:

If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription of a 1650
Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and email to whomever
would like it. There is not much in terms of names... only the
owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with the number of
people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but there is some
interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic and economic
information in it. The names that are mentioned include:

Antonio de Castro
Lorenzo de Miramontes
Tomasina de Haro
Hernando Lamas
Martin Gonzalez
Juan de Miramontes
Domingo de Lamas
Martin Tello de Orozaco
Martin Lopez
(los) Melendes
Francisco de Luna
Pedro de Solis
Antonio de Rivera
Luis Felix Delgado
Mencia (la vuida mulata libre)
Pedro Garcia de Morones

Hi Arturo,
I, too, would like a copy of the .pdf.
George
luna@...


Arturo Ramos wrote:

If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription of a 1650
Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and email to whomever
would like it. There is not much in terms of names... only the
owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with the number of
people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but there is some
interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic and economic
information in it. The names that are mentioned include:

Antonio de Castro
Lorenzo de Miramontes
Tomasina de Haro
Hernando Lamas
Martin Gonzalez
Juan de Miramontes
Domingo de Lamas
Martin Tello de Orozaco
Martin Lopez
(los) Melendes
Francisco de Luna
Pedro de Solis
Antonio de Rivera
Luis Felix Delgado
Mencia (la vuida mulata libre)
Pedro Garcia de Morones
Pedro Lopez
Tomas Gonzalez
Bernave Sanchez
Antonio Miramontes
Francisco Bohorques
Diego Gregorio
Isabel Ruiz
Cristobal Cabral
Critobal Garcia Roldan
Felipe

I have updated my genealogy files in Ranchos2.  These now include a 
list of surnames and four pedigree charts, one for each of my 
grandparents.

These can be accessed at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/AAAAA-Genealogies/Arturo%
20Ramos%20%28arturo.ramos2%40verizon.net%29/

If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription of a 1650 
Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and email to whomever 
would like it.  There is not much in terms of names... only the 
owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with the number of 
people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but there is some 
interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic and economic 
information in it.  The names that are mentioned include:

Antonio de Castro
Lorenzo de Miramontes
Tomasina de Haro
Hernando Lamas
Martin Gonzalez
Juan de Miramontes
Domingo de Lamas
Martin Tello de Orozaco
Martin Lopez
(los) Melendes
Francisco de Luna
Pedro de Solis
Antonio de Rivera
Luis Felix Delgado
Mencia (la vuida mulata libre)
Pedro Garcia de Morones
Pedro Lopez
Tomas Gonzalez
Bernave Sanchez
Antonio Miramontes
Francisco Bohorques
Diego Gregorio
Isabel Ruiz
Cristobal Cabral
Critobal Garcia Roldan
Felipe Diaz de Santiago
Nicolas de Haro
Tomas Vela
Martin Gonzalez
Lorenzo de Miramontes
(los)

Arturo, 

  the below "acta de bautismo" of my 4th great JOSE
GABINO RODRIGUES TRISTAN is a example of how mind
boggling an error,like yourself, in documentation may
be misleadingly,,,


Film #0708064 Bautismo record March 07, 1795 San
Geronimo, Moctezuma, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. En la
Yglesia del Pueblo de la Hedeonda, en siete de Marzo
de mil setecientos noventa y sinco, el Br. Dn YGNACIO
MARTINES, como Theniente de Cura, baptiso y puso Los
Santos Oleos a JOSE GABINO RODRIGUES TRISTAN, mestizo,
de Xaquesillos, de 16 diez y seis dias de nacido; hijo
legitimo de JOSE MARIA OLALLO RODRIGUES y MARIA
MATIANA TRISTAN.  fsp: JOSE LUCIANO ROMAN .


HOWEVER!! On Gabino's marriage record the paternal
grandparents are documented as his parents.

Film #0707776 last item p.220. Marriage October 30,
1816, en la Yglesia Parroquial del Real de Nuestra
Senora de Charcas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. JOSE
GABINO RODRIGUEZ, mestizo, originario de Xaquesillos,
y vecino de la Hacienda de Solis, de estado

Done!

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.rawlins.cnchost.com/igi.html
> 
> would anyone care to make a folder in the links area called "IGI 
> Abbreviations" with this link in it?
> 
> joseph
>

http://www.rawlins.cnchost.com/igi.html

would anyone care to make a folder in the links area called "IGI
Abbreviations" with this link in it?

joseph

I had run across this before with another record that I must have not 
gotten a copy of and if I remember correctly, I think your first 
theory is correct Jose.

In this record, Jose Maria Miramontes appears as the padrino later in 
the record, along with his wife.  I think that what happened was that 
perhaps the padrinos went to baptize the child without the father and 
the sacristan must have written down the wrong name on whatever he 
was recording on and then the priest corrected the record when he 
wrote it into the book?  Is this the way the process works?

In the other record, the grandfather is erroneously listed as the 
father (in parenthesis) and then appears as the maternal 
grandfather.  I think that once the priest started writing out the 
whole record, he must have run across the conflicting information and 
corrected it, but left in the paranthetical name to match the 
original information that was taken at the actual ceremony...

The baptismal record is from 1907 in

all you guys are so bad! Why don't we meet in Rougemont instead of Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone bring a video camera and send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and party with my Ranchos family.

joseph. . .triste en NC


Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Prima,

    You know I'm game.  I'm also sure the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be interested.  Please let me know when and where..

Irma

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

Robert, Irma and Alicia:

I am just delighted to have enough interest.  I think we should time 
it around Alicia's schedule since she is the one who has the longer 
drive.  I'll coordinate with Alicia for a time and date and get back 
to the rest of the group.

Maria

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez  wrote:
>
> Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
> don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
> time and date . . .
> 
> --- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> 
> > Maria,
> >  
> > I would love to meet with you and anyone else in the
> > group. I go up there once or twice a month as my
> > daughter lives in Roseville, my mom in Citrus
> > Heights, my sister in Auburn and my brother in
> > Carmichael, all within close proximity of
> > Sacaramento.
> >  
> > Thanks for the invite, let me know where and when.
> >  
> > Hasta luego...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
> > Ca
> > 
> > readysetgo95814  wrote:
> > In

Joseph,

That is why we are having the get together in Salt Lake next
year.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: "ranchos@yahoogroups.com"

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Meeting in
Sacramento
Date: 10/27/05 02:22

all you guys are so bad! Why don't
we meet in Rougemont instead of Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone
bring a video camera and send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and
party with my Ranchos family.

joseph. . .triste en NC


Irma
GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Prima,

   
You know I'm game.  I'm also sure
the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be
interested.  Please let me know when and where..

Irma

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26,
2005 5:33 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[ranchos] Meeting in Sacramento

In reading Alicia's
note about meeting in person I was reminded of a
conversation I recently
had

Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
time and date . . .

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I
> was reminded of a 
> conversation I recently had with my prima Anna. 
> There are several of 
> us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it
> would be nice to 
> get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and
> share genealogy 
> tips and tricks. Any interest out there?
> 
> Maria Cortez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
time and date . . .

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Maria,
>  
> I would love to meet with you and anyone else in the
> group. I go up there once or twice a month as my
> daughter lives in Roseville, my mom in Citrus
> Heights, my sister in Auburn and my brother in
> Carmichael, all within close proximity of
> Sacaramento.
>  
> Thanks for the invite, let me know where and when.
>  
> Hasta luego...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
> Ca
> 
> readysetgo95814  wrote:
> In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I
> was reminded of a 
> conversation I recently had with my prima Anna. 
> There are several of 
> us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it
> would be nice to 
> get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and
> share genealogy 
> tips and tricks. Any interest out there?
> 
> Maria Cortez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------

In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I was reminded of a
conversation I recently had with my prima Anna.  There are several of
us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it would be nice to
get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and share genealogy
tips and tricks. Any interest out there?

Maria Cortez

In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I was reminded of a 
conversation I recently had with my prima Anna.  There are several of 
us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it would be nice to 
get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and share genealogy 
tips and tricks. Any interest out there?

Maria Cortez

Welcome Sally,

I wanted to mention that I have a Villalobos line from Lagos and 
several Diaz lines (one from Jalostotitlan).  I also have a Luna line 
from Tepechitlan, Zac.  When you have some time please take a look at 
my genealogy reports and see if we have any matches.

Regards,

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "matthew_chavez1" 
 wrote:
>
> Dear Joseph and members, 
> 
> My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach 
> on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of 
her 
> lines have taken me to  other cities as San Miguel El Alto 
> Jalostotitlan,Lagos de Moreno,San Juan de Los Lagos,Cienaga Mata,
> Jalisco also Pinos Zacatecas, Asientos and Aguascalientes, Aguas.
> Some of my surnames are Colmenero,Marin,Diaz,Tejeda,(Z)
Sermeño,Ortiz,
> Villalobos,Ornelas and others.
> On my paternal grandfather my research has been from Tepetongo Zac. 
> also from Jerez and Monte Escovedo. He was born in Juanchorrey