Fancy Gadgets for Genealogists

In case anyone was wondering what the gadgets that Emilie is talking 
about look like and cost... I am a big technology junkie but the film 
scanner is way beyond my means.

http://www.heritagecreations.com/products/st100.php

http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=119781

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Mary, I don't know how much you know about all the new-fangled 
technical gadgets besides audio recorders and digital cameras that 
are available to serve our genealogy purposes, but if you could, 
maybe you could get some and take them with you.  You might be able 
to access some computers in certain towns at internet cafes too if 
you can't take a laptop along.  The people at the genealogy society 
here and at the local FHC have some amazing things.  One lady showed 
me a gadget she uses to scan books.  Honest, it was no bigger than a 
ruler and she would start at the top of the page and move it down, 
then she showed me on the

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico



Mary Allen wrote:
Emilie:  I am basically self-taught when it comes to computers and things technical or electronic.  Just recently I bought a scanner which my brother installed.  He gave me a few quick lessons.  Don't you just hate it when they say, "It's easy."  It's not.  But I have had fun scanning photos and documents and e-mailing them to my cousins.  We have met with a purpose to meet monthly and  work really  hard on the oral history.  It's amazing how many times someone says "Oh, I didn't know that.  Are you sure?"  So, we have started an ongoing history under different topics.  For example: did anyone every see Grandma Garcia smile?  No one.  Then while scanning photos I found several where she is smiling.  So now the quest is to find out when she stopped smiling and why.  I think I know.  Then I bought an Adobe photo program. I glared at my brother before he could say "It's easy." It's not,
but I am having fun trying to decipher the handbook. But I

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Emilie:  I am basically self-taught when it comes to computers and things technical or electronic.  Just recently I bought a scanner which my brother installed.  He gave me a few quick lessons.  Don't you just hate it when they say, "It's easy."  It's not.  But I have had fun scanning photos and documents and e-mailing them to my cousins.  We have met with a purpose to meet monthly and  work really  hard on the oral history.  It's amazing how many times someone says "Oh, I didn't know that.  Are you sure?"  So, we have started an ongoing history under different topics.  For example: did anyone every see Grandma Garcia smile?  No one.  Then while scanning photos I found several where she is smiling.  So now the quest is to find out when she stopped smiling and why.  I think I know.  Then I bought an Adobe photo program. I glared at my brother before he could say "It's easy." It's not,
but I am having fun trying to decipher the handbook. But I know what you mean and I so admire those

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Mary, I don't know how much you know about all the new-fangled technical
gadgets besides audio recorders and digital cameras that are available to
serve our genealogy purposes, but if you could, maybe you could get some and
take them with you.  You might be able to access some computers in certain
towns at internet cafes too if you can?t take a laptop along.  The people
at the genealogy society here and at the local FHC have some amazing
things.  One lady showed me a gadget she uses to scan books.  Honest,
it was no bigger than a ruler and she would start at the top of the page and
move it down, then she showed me on the computer what it had scanned. 
Amazing.  Then others have these little tiny things no bigger than a
lipstick case that attaches to the back of the computer and they upload or
download all sorts of stuff.  There are also these microfilm viewers that
attach to your laptop so you can download images directly, no need for a copier,
etc.  They also have

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Thank you, Joseph.  With all the wonderful suggestions I am receiving, it will be possible to put together "Oral History Interview 101"  This is really important because one could blow a meeting and even cause annoyance or alienation.  It already happened with our last surviving uncle.  I asked an innocent  question and hit a nerve.  A good warnwing for newcomes; we don't need to learn some things genealogical by experience. Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Mary just a quick word about collecting Oral history. You probably have been doing it for a long time so please excuse me saying stuff that you might already have been practicing (just pretent that I'm talking to someone else). I've found that if you go into an "interview" loaded with questions you won't get as far a if you just let "them tell their story (their stories)." Many times asking "when did so and so pass?" will make for a difficult question as compared to "Were you married when so and so died? . . .and "were any of

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I am going to make a folder in Ranchos2 called "Members Hobbies and
Careers." This will be a place where members can upload any information
they would like other members to know about in relation to their hobbies
and careers. Information can be placed there about anything someone has
forsale or offers to other members. I will control this if it gets out
of hand but for the time being will allow members to freely upload their
information and let the "new files uploaded" messages go out to the
group one by one. Later like I said if it gets to be much I'll package
the messages and send them out once a month. Some of these hobbies are
definitely genealogy related. I'll be involved in this as well but am
not ready to get involved yet.


joseph



Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Mary just a quick word about collecting Oral history. You probably have
been doing it for a long time so please excuse me saying stuff that you
might already have been practicing (just pretent that I'm talking to
someone else). I've found that if you go into an "interview" loaded
with questions you won't get as far a if you just let "them tell their
story (their stories)." Many times asking "when did so and so pass?"
will make for a difficult question as compared to "Were you married
when so and so died? . . .and "were any of your children born yet when
so and so had passed?" Later you can calculate from their birth the
date. Something about asking them to remember exact dates that throws a
wrench in the whole works. I have had good success with questions like:



"Tell me about what things were like when you were in grade school?"



"Tell me what it was like during the depression?"



"Tell me what things were like when you were 20 years old?"



"Oh, tell me more about that story?"



"Oh

Travel to Mexico

thanks!!  Mary

Josiett3@... wrote:





   Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Mary Allen


Guanajuato.  I found
photos and a lot more information.

Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you
travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a
bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried
mine with me.  It can be a small, light-weight one but anything is a
big help when you are talking to someone and cannot get your point

across!  :-)  Good luck on your travels and I hope you find a wealth of
information! 
Josie in San Antonio, TX
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Travel to Mexico

Thank you, Victor.  Now I know where San Felipe is located and it is not a surprise visit. And I will purchase a cellular phone.  There are two more places I need to visit, but perhaps not on this trip: San Luis Potosi, SLP and Salinas, SLP.  Something to look forward to.
 
It's a strange feeling: I have been working so intensely on this project for the last few weeks.  Now that I have a few photographs,  their faces  are so etched on my mind that I dream about them.  I feel as if I know them and I am just going to go "meet" them on their own turf.  I have been sharing each step with my family and we all feel as if something great is about to happen, as if one of them walked in the front door, we wouldn't be surprised.  It's just  that we have been looking for them for so very long and now, suddenly, they start to appear with their stories, some of them quite sad. They are more than names and dates and pictures; they are real.  As if they are coming home to us.
 
Mary

"v.h.villarreal"

Travel to Mexico

Mary,

I'd say that traveling by bus is OK, as bus drivers know the roads
very well.  Of course this isn't a surprise visit, right?  It might be
worth buying one of those cheap cellular phones to keep in touch with
your contacts. 

San Felipe is located in the northern part of Guanajuato.  To get an
overview of Guanajuato click on the following link.
http://www.guanajuato.gob.mx/turismo/frames/nuestroedo_2.html

For a detailed map of Guanajuato and preferably if you have a
braodband connection there's an excellent map in the next link:
http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/geografia/espanol/estados/gto/gto.pdf?c=459&e=11&CFID=966958&CFTOKEN=59264336

Hope this helps.  Enjoy!

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
>
> Thank you to both Josie and Victor:
> I thought about that.  I hope that someone from those I meet in
Mexico City will offer to go with me to Guanajuato.  I have travelled
alone extensively, but now I think prudence is the best

Travel to Mexico

Thank you to both Josie and Victor:
I thought about that.  I hope that someone from those I meet in Mexico City will offer to go with me to Guanajuato.  I have travelled alone extensively, but now I think prudence is the best thing. I won't drive and if I can't find a companion, would going by bus be acceptable?  I understand it is a five hour drive from DF to the town of San Felipe, Guanajuato.  So far I can't even find it on the map.  Any advice is gratefully accepted.   Mary

"v.h.villarreal" wrote:

Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>    Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>

Sena de Abajo and Sena de Abajo, Zacatecas

Can someone tell me where these two ranchos are located?

Can someone tell me anything about them?

I understand that families of Apache descendancy settled here  from
the US.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Elvira




Travel to Mexico

Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
>     Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Mary Allen 
>  
>  Guanajuato.  I found  photos and a lot more information.
> 
> Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you 
> travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a 
> bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried 
> mine with me.

Villarreal surname in the Archivo General de la Nacion

Esperanza,

Thanks for your feedback in this matter.  Instead of discarding or
admitting any and all possibilities of those Villarreales in the AGN
documents below from being related to me, let me briefly describe what
is the current status of my research.

The first thing to clarify is an erroneous entry in Danny's page
regarding Diego de Villarreal's place of origin.  It should say
Allende El Grande, Guanajuato, instead of Allende El Grande, Oaxaca. 
That alone, assuming there's a document (yet to be found) to base that
affirmation, changes the whole perspective of the documents you quote.

As to the several Francisco de Villarreales (actually just two) that
could be related to Diego, one of them appears in old records (1570s -
1580s) from Saltillo, Coahuila, accompaning the colonizer Francisco de
Urdiñola.  The other Francisco de Villarreal is quoted in the record
#314079 below.  He was a "contador del Tribunal de Cuentas de la
ciudad de Mexico" in the early 1600s who had to do with

Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

Hello Again:



I hope to go to Tlaltenango next year.....some of my ancestors are from the area.  I was in Calvillo, Aguas. last year and was able to get info from the old books.....Valle de Huejacar, as it was called then....the books were old and falling apart;  they gave me an new copy; I had gotten a copy from the microfilm FHC....



Mickey

Archivo General de la Nacion

Hi Victor,
 
I wish you were my mentor in a physical sense - I could watch you,
then you can watch me go....My Spanish isn't as good as yours, and I don't know
what to do with this information - but perhaps you do?  Since you told me
in absolute terms that Diego de Villarreal came with Zavala from Zacatecas, I
decided to do another research, and here is what I came up with ----perhaps
there is a connection here?  I also included something I found regarding a
Villarreal in Oaxaca (the area that Danny claims the Villarreales settled in)
and several Francisco Villarreales.  Let me know if any of this information
turns out to be fruitful. 
 
This was fun, Now I am going to search on the Herrera's.....a line I have
from Tlaltenango....
 
 

Clave de Registro 267384
No. Grupo 100
Grupo Documental Reales Cédulas
Fecha DICIEMBRE 30 DE 1658
Volumen 6
Expediente 42
Fojas 2
Descripción

New File

Hi:

Just to let members know that I have just uploaded a file to Ranchos2 
AAA Genealogies. The file covers GONZALES from JALOSTOTITLAN, JALISCO.





Border Crossing Question

You can buy film from NARA and you can also have whatever the FHL has
available sent to your FHC. . .you might want to call the FHL in Salt
Lake and ask them how to find out what Border Crossing records they
have. Maybe you could do a report for the group and give us a
comprehensive list of the BC records they own that can be borrowed at
our local FHC's.



joseph


Title

Manifests of alien arrivals at Yseleta, Texas, 1924-1954 (M1849)

Stmnt.Resp.

compiled by Claire Prechtel-Kluskens

Authors

United States. Immigration and Naturalization Service (Main Author)

Prechtel-Kluskens, Claire (Added Author)

Notes

Microfilm
of original records at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. The
original records were destroyed after microfilming.

Introduction by Claire Prechtel-Kluskens.

Some records may be hard to read. This is the best copy available.

May
include name, age, sex, place of birth, last permanent address,
destination, name and complete address of family or friend there,
occupation

researching film at FHC

Hello,

When I do research, i do my research in two parts. First, I search the
IGI using batch numbers, marriage searches, parent searches, etc.  In
order to Identify, who I will be looking for on the films.  Then I
enter all the information that I have found that identifies the film,
 such as town, film numbers, record type, time period,  Batch number,
and if the film is in the FHL or in the vault.  Then I enter all the
dates and names that I want from the film. 

Here is a example: (**** Attn: Linda Romero **** this is what I
recommend for you, to research)

Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
0038332	Bautismos	1820-1824		C603166	FHL
	15 Feb 1823	Maria Faustina Torre Padilla

1107895	Bautismos	1826-1831		C602542	FHL
	14 Aug 1827	Ma. Atanazia Torres

Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
0218447	Bautismos	1810-1816		C603699	FHL
	04 Dec 1814	Jose Saturnino Torre Padilla

0218448	Bautismos	1816-1821		C603701	FHL
	17 Apr 1819	Jose Franco. Torre Padilla
	21 Mar 1821	Maria Matilde Torre Padilla

Archivo General de la Nacion

Esperanza,

When I first got interested in genealogy and stumbled across Danny
Villarreal's web site, I remember reading that most of the people with
the Villarreal surname had the same roots.  I really found that a
little hard to believe at that time.  Now that we have been digging up
information in old books and ancient manuscripts, etc. we've come up
with many more individuals from the XVI-XVII centuries with the same
surname, which indicates the existance of several lineages, as it is
reflected in the widespread presence of Villarreales all over Mexico.

As to the origin of our oldest (documented) ancestor for the northeast
Mexico Villarreals, it is recorded that Diego de Villarreal entered
the state of Nuevo León, from Zacatecas, with then governor Martín de
Zavala, in 1626.  In spite of some information to the contrary
available on the internet, I don't know of any documented primary
source that records Diego de Villarreal parents and/or his family
origins.  We have several leads

DIGEST

Joseph,

The only drawback, to the Digest mode.  Is that, if someone uploads a
attachment, such as the message that Michael sent the other. 

You will not get the attachments, if you receive the digest mode.  

Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> the messages have been coming in hot and heavy as of late. I want to 
> remind everyone that changing your subscription to "DIGEST" is an
option 
> and a better option than considering unsubscribing. Even if digest
is to 
> much you can always go on "no mail" and just read the messages on
the WWW.
> 
> if you don't know how to change to Digest just email me and I'll change 
> it for you.
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Digest means that instead of each individual message from the group 
> coming into your "INBOX" you will get one or at most two messages per 
> day with all the activity of that day. It will be a large message or 
> 'digest.'
>





Report: Hispanic Conference in Salt Lake

Hello  All,

 

I just got back, from the Conference, that
was held in Salt Lake City,
today at the Family History Library.

 

The only material, that they gave out was a
CD called “Latin American Resource” disc.  It is the same disc that
they have given out for the past two conferences.  Though, they are going to
be, redoing the disc later on this year.  For, those of you who want a copy, I
can burn a copy of the disc, and send it to you.  Also, for those who requested
a copy, of my Resource disc, there is a copy of the “Latin American”
Disc on it.  Also, they did not give out, any syllabuses.  Some classes had
handouts, but the majority didn’t.

 

There is a new Mexico research outline, out.  Some of
you have seen the new colored research outline.  The first, for Mexico barely
arrived, yesterday.  They weren’t releasing them, to the public today.

 

Another thing that I learned today.  Is
that if you have a parish marriage record, that does not state the parents, of
the

NARA Border Crossing Records

Natalie,  thank you for the information.  I guess I will just
have to wait until someone can actually see those records prior to their being
transcribed or filmed, if they can find a place that will allow them to view
them.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:11
AM
Subject: [ranchos] NARA Border Crossing
Records

Emilie,
My understanding is that NARA has not yet
finished the filming of all
the border crossing records (@Mexican border).
They started with the
smaller points of entry, leaving El Paso, TX for
last. I think they
hope to have filming completed by the end of
2006.
Have you seen the following site (explains the NARA
plan)?:
www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
NOTE:
border crossing records were created/kept 1903-1950; the first
format of
the records were based on records for ship manifests (records
for

Researching a place

Natalie, that is a good idea about a form to note info.  I have just
been using thin ruled binder paper and at the top (by hand) I enter the film
number, name of the church, the locale, and community where the birth or
marriage took place and what type records are included in the
film (e.g. Baptisms 1831-1842).  I then have room for 5 entries on
each page.  I have filled out thousands of pages this way through the
years.  A typical entry looks like this:
 
        4/12/1839 - Maria Epifania
Roman  (b.4/6/1839)
         parents:  Juan
Roman/Ma. Antonia Flores
         pat. g.p. - Xavier
Roman/Yldefonsa Tinajero
         mat. g. p. - Jose Ma.
Flores/Ma. Guadalupe Soriano
         pnos -  Francisco
Zalasar/Maria Alejandra de Orosco
 
I sure get tired writing "parents, pat g. p, mat g.p. and pnos" for each
entry although with abbreviations it doesn't take me that much more time, but it
does add to the writer's cramp.  I envy the Director at my FHC who has made
a form on