Digest Number 182

Angie,

	Luis Pinedo is the daughter of Lucas Pinedo which is the brother of my GGG
grandfather.
I am attaching the information I have on Ursulo Miramontes. Please review
it and let me know if you have any other information on this branch. I am
also sending information on Higinio Miramontes which is also my GGG
grandfather. Any feedback is appreciated. Keep me posted.


								Arturo Romero



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>       1. Re: New file ... - Miramontes Name
>            From: "aajay1073" 
>       2. Really Nice Reminder
>            From: Joseph Puentes 
>       3. Mazapil Zacatecas
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New file uploaded to ranchos

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New file uploaded to ranchos

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Really Nice Reminder

I subscribed her today. where are your Lucero's from? I know we've
talked but I'm kind of forgetful.


joseph

Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Joseph,
	I have a prima, Maria Elena Gutierrez Uhlenburg that would like to
join Ranchos.  She's having difficulty joining.  Could you please assist
her?
Irma Gomez-Lucero

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:46 AM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Really Nice Reminder



many of you have not sent in your genealogies or a link to your work.
[yes I realize some have contacted me privately and I'm not addressing
this to you]


just as a "Nice Reminder" in March of 2004 I will be sending out private
emails to everyone in the group that has not sent in their work.
Afterall how do you expect to gain the full benefit of the group if you
are not participating in this minimal degree.


If you do not reply or give a even a tiny reason for why you are not
able I will be unsubscribing

Really Nice Reminder

Hi Joseph,
	I have a prima, Maria Elena Gutierrez Uhlenburg that would like to
join Ranchos.  She's having difficulty joining.  Could you please assist
her?
Irma Gomez-Lucero

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:46 AM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Really Nice Reminder



many of you have not sent in your genealogies or a link to your work. 
[yes I realize some have contacted me privately and I'm not addressing 
this to you]

just as a "Nice Reminder" in March of 2004 I will be sending out private 
emails to everyone in the group that has not sent in their work. 
Afterall how do you expect to gain the full benefit of the group if you 
are not participating in this minimal degree.

If you do not reply or give a even a tiny reason for why you are not 
able I will be unsubscribing you. [No estoy haciendo chiste].

thanks,

Joseph Puentes

ps: if you want to avoid getting that dreaded 3/2004 email contact me 
off list

Hello!

I'm very happy to have been accepted into this group. My name is 
Alexandra Ramos Soto and have been researching my genealogy for less 
than a year. I was born in Mexico and currently live in the Los 
Angeles area. My parents were born in Hacienda de Buenavista, between 
Jerez and Tepetongo, Zacatecas. The names I'm looking into are Ramos, 
Saucedo, Macias, Rosales, Garcia, Reyes, Loera, Romo, Ruiz, Landeros, 
Escobar, Jimenez, Castorena and Valenzuela; all from Calvillo, 
Aguascalientes area. The Quezada, Viramontes, Gomez, Duran from 
Apozol, Jalpa and Nochistlan areas. The Soto, Alvarado from 
Villanueva area and Salazar and De Reza from Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

I will be on vacation for the next two weeks and tomorrow I'm flying 
to Puebla, Mexico and while there I plan to visit the Family Center 
to look at their films and hopefully finding more facts about my 
ancestors.

Upon my return I will let you know what happened. Wish me good luck!

Alexandra.


Really Nice Reminder


many of you have not sent in your genealogies or a link to your work.
[yes I realize some have contacted me privately and I'm not addressing
this to you]


just as a "Nice Reminder" in March of 2004 I will be sending out private
emails to everyone in the group that has not sent in their work.
Afterall how do you expect to gain the full benefit of the group if you
are not participating in this minimal degree.


If you do not reply or give a even a tiny reason for why you are not
able I will be unsubscribing you. [No estoy haciendo chiste].


thanks,

Joseph Puentes

ps: if you want to avoid getting that dreaded 3/2004 email contact me
off list now. believe me --- no muerdo




New file ... - Miramontes Name

Arturo,

I recognized a name on your list.  But I think it is part of your 
extended branches.  Anyway... you have Luisa PINEDO
married to Ursulo MIRAMONTES.  Jose Ursulo MIRAMONTES GONZALEZ was 
christened on 26 OCT 1822 in Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.  He was a 
first cousin of my Great-Great Grandfather, Jose Donaciano MIRAMONTES 
CARDENAS.

Angie

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>   File        : /Arturo Romero's Ancestors/Candelario Pinedo 
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>   Uploaded by : makas_nc  
>   Description : Candelario Pinedo 
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New file uploaded to ranchos

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New file uploaded to ranchos

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Olague surname

I just wanted to see, if anyone in the group is researching the 
Olague surname. I am doing quite a bit of research, on the Olagues, 
especially in Colotlan. And I am willing, to share information.
  


We lost a branch to our family tree

This last trip to FHL in SLC has confirmed our dreaded suspicions.  
Our linage follows Jose Cresencio Mota married to Rafael de los 
Merced Serreno and not Maria de los Merced Serrano.  Fortunately the 
Serrano linage is okay.  Maria de los Merced Serrano parents are Jose 
Maria Guadalupe ZERRANO Robles and Maria Casilda MOTA Carlos and our 
new Rafael de los Merced SERRANO Albares  parents are Juan Jose 
SERRANO Robles and Maria Luisa ALBARES.  Yes, Juan Jose SERRANO 
Robles and Jose Maria Guadalupe ZERRANO Robles are sons to Jose 
Alancio SERRANO and Dominga De ROBLES Sanchez.

We have 11 documents for the J. Maria Guadalupe ZERRANO Robles/Maria 
Casilda MOTA family. m. 14 Aug 1810

We have 10 documents for the Jose Alanacio SERANNO/Dominga de ROBLES 
family, m. 29 May 1781

We have 8 documents for the Jose Crescencio Nepomuseno MOTA/Rafael de 
los Merced SERRANO  m. 22 May 1852

Is anyone else working on the above lineages?  Do you confirm our new 
findings?  We are keeping the

Hola!/TambienSoySandoval

welcome to the group. I also have a Sandoval line that comes out of
Tepetongo. Unfortuneately I only have one name:


me-->AntonioPuentes-->JulioPuentes-->JulioPuentes-->CecilioPuentes/DomingaVarela-->
-->EsiquioVarela-->VictorVarela/MarcelaSandoval

so my GGGG grandmother out of Tepetongo was Marcela Sandoval

anyway I'm glad you made a possible connection and I would like to keep
track of the various ones that make connections. It just makes me feel
good to see others [including myself] gain some benefit.


My prima, Angie, sent a message out awhile back that summarized the
various ones that made connections. I'll try to hunt it up unless
someone has it handy and can forward it to me. I know for a fact that
there have been new connections made since that time.


One being that which Rosalinda Ruiz and I have made on our Banuelos
line. It seems we have a common grandparents in Jacinto Banuelos/Bartola
de la Torre also out of Tepetongo.


How about everyone in the group that

Hola!

Hi! I'm new here so let me begin by introducing myself. My name is 
Vanessa Sandoval and i live in Los Angeles, Ca where i was born and 
raised. My parents have lives here since 1971 when they left their 
home of El Remolino, Zacatecas. I was asigned a few years ago to do a 
family tree for a school project and i was so fasinated by all the 
history that i guess i never stopped researching. 
   My Geneology records include the names of Sandoval, Ocampo, Luna, 
Perez, Haro, and Saucedo. There's a few more but i guess those are 
the primary ones. I will try to upload into the files area what i 
have so far, by the end of this week and i have actuall already found 
a name in someones file that cross lists with mine :) so i am very 
excited about that. Thank you for taking me in and i hope to make 
this a very productive experiece. 

Vanessa 


My Intro

Hi all!  Just wanted to take a quick minute and introduce myself.  
My name is Peggy Delgado and I'm currently searching for the 
surnames of Aguirre (not sure of the spelling), Ynostrosa 
(spelling?  I know there's different variations of that name!)Correa 
and Ortega.   Aguirre and Correa in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Ortega 
somewhere else in Zacatecas and Ynostrosa in Sierra Mojada, 
Coahuila. I've ordered microfilms from the FHC for 
1914 for Tlaltenango.   My grandfather (my dad's dad), Jacinto 
Pineda was born there on 8/14/14 to Maria Correa and Baudelio 
Aguirre.  Story goes that Baudelio went off to fight with Pancho 
Villa and was never heard from again.  My great-grandma Marie 
married Juan Pineda (he supposedly adopted my grandad and gave him 
his name, Pineda - but when the got married and where is a mystery.  
Baudelio Aguirre is also a mystery....who knows what I'll find with 
those FHC films!  But I'm very excited.....

Next I'm searching for records of my mom's dad, my

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reserve me a copy. Can you send me ordering information? Is it the same
as in the current newletter?



thanks for your hard work in continuing to promote our heritage. Your
efforts, along with others, are a foundation for many of us in finding
our roots, history, and in being able to better understand who we
really are. Thank you.



Joseph Puentes





Pacorro73@... wrote:

Here's the online newsletter of the genealogical organization I
am a part of.  You don't have to live in Southern California to be a
member.  Just contatct Mimi Lozano-Holtzman if you want to join.  We
have a large network of genealogists.
 
 
And yes, it was I who edited the new issue of the Genealogical
Journal, Vol. V.  The Table of Contents is included in Somos Primos, as
well as other information.  It has very valuable information regarding
various Los Altos de Jalisco families.  The specific articles regarding
Los Altos

Check out SOMOS PRIMOS: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity Issues

Here's the online newsletter of the genealogical organization I am a part of.  You don't have to live in Southern California to be a member.  Just contatct Mimi Lozano-Holtzman if you want to join.  We have a large network of genealogists.
 
 
And yes, it was I who edited the new issue of the Genealogical Journal, Vol. V.  The Table of Contents is included in Somos Primos, as well as other information.  It has very valuable information regarding various Los Altos de Jalisco families.  The specific articles regarding Los Altos genealogy or history are the Pedro Moreno article, Alonso de Robalcaba by Lic. Mariano González-Leal, El Origen de Tres Genearcas Alteños en una Solicitud de Órdenes del Siglo XVII, Transcribed by Ing. José Alfonso Rodríguez Ortiz, Los Hernández Gamiño, and Basic Foundations of Significant Families of Mexico: Tello de Orozco.  This last one contains some never before published data on the Tello

Limosna





Pacorro73@... wrote:

About the fábrica and the
limosna, the fábrica of a church was dedicated to ongoing construction
or repairs of a church, especially if it was new.  The limosna was also
given to the church for the same purpose, and for other church
necessities.  If it mentions that a limosna was given in a burial, that
means that it's even more humble than a cruz baja, because they could
not even afford the high price of a burial with "cruz baja."  So they
had to settle for the least amount of service.

Yes thanks so much for this. I've wondered about that word "Limosna"
and now I know. But when you say the "least amount of service" I'm
wondering if that also might include what was recorded in the death
certificate. I've noticed that there is are variations in what is
recorded. Mostly if the person was an adult and married he stated as
being casado and the name of the person. If he was widowed - viudo de
name of person. died as a child- parvulo name of parents. But

Cruz Alta y Cruz Baja

As far as I have always known, a burial with "Cruz Alta" meant that you were rich and could afford a sumptuous vigil, mass, procession, and burial.  These cost more and were taken care of in a person's last will and testament. Take a look at the following examples:

Funerales de Antaño

Nuestro insigne escritor, Mariano Picón Salas, dejó una rica descripción en su obra Viaje al amanecer, de cómo eran los funerales en la Mérida de principios del siglo XX. Cuenta don Mariano que por la calle de la Igualdad (hoy Canónigo Uzcátegui) desfilaban las procesiones hasta el cementerio de El Espejo. A los merideños de aquellos tiempos, como a los de ahora, les encantaba participar en estos rituales, por eso mucha gente caminaba detrás del infortunado, en procesión hasta su lugar de reposo. La calle se llamaba Igualdad precisamente porque era la vía al cementerio, lugar donde todos somos iguales. Sin embargo no todos los entierros eran iguales, había los de Cruz Alta, con Deán y Cabildo, para los