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Villa Obregon/Canadas records

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I am researching a couple from Villa de Obregon (Canadas) named Ignacio Lomeli and Petra Villalpando.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Sáb, 2015-09-05 00:41 | Enlace permanente

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On on earlier post someone else asked the same thing and I responded that many of these entries are found in Jalos. But I am looking for a marriage record in 1914. Doesn't Cañadas keep any records?

Ps. I followed the advice that I gave a couple of months ago to check in Jalos and found the information that I was looking for.

Searching for a dispensa

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The marriage record for Gabriel de Lomelin to Melchora de los Reyes in 1673 Nochistlan states that they were dispenses. Has anyone seen this dispensa?

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well i couldn't find one for this couple on familysearch yet. this wouldn't be the first time where i find a regular marriage record mentioning a dispensation for the couple in question, but yet not finding it. i can't find one for my ancestors bartolome de luna and josefa lorenza de haro either.

Missing Messages/Replies - Faltantes Mensajes/Respuestas

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With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:

1) Shut down the site

2) Charge for m

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Joseph,

So we should just sign into the website to view all postings (announce, research and the other one) and not expect to receive postings via e-mail? Is there a problem that recently came up with the software?

Many websites charge for membership, and as valuable as this one has been, I don't think most of us would mind paying for an annual membership in order to keep the website available, in my opinion

Emilie.

> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:26:27 -0400
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Missing Messages/Replies - Faltantes Mensajes/Respuestas
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> With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my options
> but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:
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> 1) Shut down the site
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> 2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)
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> Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas – lo que sigue son mis
> opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:
>
>
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> 1) cerró la pagina
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> 2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
> #1)
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> Joseph
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> Joseph Puentes
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> Clean@h2opodcast.com
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Hi Emilie,

You don't actually have to sign in to view the postings, they're there for everyone to see. It's actually easier to read them on the website, because sometimes the thread goes back weeks, months or even years. Even if there were no issue with the messaging system, you would only be reading the reply to the previous post, whereas, going to the website allows you to read the thread in it's entirety. Also, the messages are in order, and, on the right hand side, under Research Forum Topics, General Forum Topics and Announcement Forum Topics, are the three threads, under each heading, with the most recent activity.

Christopher de Cuellar

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I agree

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
> Joseph,
>
> So we should just sign into the website to view all postings (announce, research and the other one) and not expect to receive postings via e-mail? Is there a problem that recently came up with the software?
>
> Many websites charge for membership, and as valuable as this one has been, I don't think most of us would mind paying for an annual membership in order to keep the website available, in my opinion
>
> Emilie.
>
>> From: makas@nc.rr.com
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:26:27 -0400
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Missing Messages/Replies - Faltantes Mensajes/Respuestas
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>> With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my options
>> but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:
>>
>>
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>> 1) Shut down the site
>>
>> 2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)
>>
>>
>>
>> Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas – lo que sigue son mis
>> opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) cerró la pagina
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>> 2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
>> #1)
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>> Joseph
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>> Joseph Puentes
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>> Clean@h2opodcast.com
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>> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
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Joseph,

If I want to see what's going on within Nuestros Ranchos, all I have to do
is log in to the site. If you're a member, that's all you need to do, log
in and it's all there! Thanks Joseph, I can't imagine not having a Nuestros
Ranchos.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, George Esqueda
wrote:

> I agree
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
> >
> > Joseph,
> >
> > So we should just sign into the website to view all postings (announce,
> research and the other one) and not expect to receive postings via e-mail?
> Is there a problem that recently came up with the software?
> >
> > Many websites charge for membership, and as valuable as this one has
> been, I don't think most of us would mind paying for an annual membership
> in order to keep the website available, in my opinion
> >
> > Emilie.
> >
> >> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> >> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:26:27 -0400
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Missing Messages/Replies - Faltantes
> Mensajes/Respuestas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my
> options
> >> but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Shut down the site
> >>
> >> 2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas – lo que sigue son mis
> >> opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:
> >>
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> >> 1) cerró la pagina
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> >> 2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará
> en
> >> #1)
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3) change to a different hosting company with reliable newsletter options

-----Original Message-----
From: General [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf
Of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:26 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Missing Messages/Replies - Faltantes
Mensajes/Respuestas

With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:

1) Shut down the site

2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)

Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas – lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:

1) cerró la pagina

2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
#1)

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Roots So Deep

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Greetings fellow history buffs, researchers and Sherlock Holmes types. I
feel privileged to become a member of this group.

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Hi Yolanda,

I don't actually know were Rancho de Tellos is and I only have one Tello in
my tree, Marcella Tello de Lomas, but, I know that no one will really be
able to help you unless you give specific names of people you're looking
for.

Paige

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Hi Paige! So wonderful you sent me a question. Gosh, where do I begin. I'm looking for my Tello ancestors whose names I have, but the stories are so hard to connect with what I know and have discovered. I wish I could find more information about my ancestors who came from San Pedro Ocampo, Zacatecas but ended in Saltillo, Coahuila. That is where my great grandfather Anastacio died. I have his death record. I've been looking for his birth record.

Have you head of a Rancho de los Tellos?

Please take a moment to view my ancestor file.

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Yolanda,
Welcome to the wonderful frustrating satisfying world of research. It's a place you will be excited to find a birth or marriage record and cry when you find they lost their children to Spanish Flu, hunger and scorpion stings. You will learn the history of Mexico in good and hard times. You will discover a sense of pride know how strong and courageous they were.
My Castanon/Caldera family left Jerez, Zacatecas in 1916 when the revolution hit their village and they had nothing left except their lives.
I do have Tello and Tello de Orosco in my files.
In Zamora, Michoacan in the early years then in Jerez and Tepetongo, Zac. My earliest in Michoacan would be Simon Tello abt 1640 married to Geronima Mendez de Torres.
My earliest in Zacatecas would be Francisca Tello Orosco abt 1625 married to Diego Carrillo de Avila.
I have put my files on Rootsweb.com, file name Mexico.
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia, Wa

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Hi. Have been extremely busy with much and finally had time to check my Ranchos conversation room. How far into the present did you find the name Tello Orosco and dd you find any where the Orosco was dropped? I find many Tello within the Tello Orosco that appear to be related since the same names are passed down several generations. My ancestors moved around so much and it's difficult to confirm them. They also married a few of times and have not found marriage certificates to verify if they are the same people. Do you suspect the Orosco was dropped by some of your ancestors?

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Hello Yolanda
Welcome aboard and it is good to have another Tello de Orosco family member. My first Tello de Orosco family member is my 5x Great grandmother Maria Cresencia Teyo married to Jose Acevedo Santillan on the 17th of Feb. 1830 in Nochistlan Zacatecas. Below is the link of the doc, image # 184.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15186-10690-98?cc=1804458&wc…

As you can see the name Tello is spelled Teyo, you can also find it under Thello. Two generations earlier my 7x great grandfather Jph. Mariano Thello is getting Married to Maria Manuela de Sandoval on the 15th of May 1775 in Nochistlan Zacatecas. The image # is 473 and here is the link. In the doc. it also states that he is originario del Real Minas del Mesquital

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15184-34373-96?cc=1804458&wc…

I have more Tello de Orosco family information going all the way back to the early 1600 living in area of Jalos Jalisco in the Altos de Jalisco. If you would like to compare notes you can e-mail me at hartparkangler@yahoo.com

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Hi Danny,

That's great you joined Wikitree. I think many of us in the forum have benefited from Wikitree and especially from Austin's extensive research.

Chris
 

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Hi Danny,
I think I probably should join, Luisa de Rubalcava is my 4th Great Grandmother, I didn't realize we were that closely related. There's the answer to why we have a lot of the same ancestors. It looks like Manuel Alonso is the first non living person on your tree that you descend from, I don't know who that is and I don't have him in my records, but his parents are my 3rd Great Grandparents, so I think we're about 4th cousins. I'll sign up Danny and you can help me.
Chris
  From: Danny Alonso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tello de Orosco

Chris,

you should join. I just went to the Wikitree and signed up and then Austin
added me. I'm already adding people. I just added my first biography today
on my direct ancestor Luisa,  http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ruvalcaba-39

Danny C. Alonso

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Hello Danny. Thanks for your replies and willingness to help. I will look into the Wikitree you mention, don't know anything about it. In your various posts, you mention some names that are also very common among my family tree. You are correct, I do find the spelling of Tello as Teyo, Tellos, Tello de Orosco and Thello. Ruvalcaba is another name I see often on the documents. My stumbling block is that I can't confirm if my people moved and established roots beyond the cities of Saltillo Coahuila and Melchor Ocampo Zacatecas. They had families in practically every town in Zacatecas, just can't tie them to my core parent.

Could use some help reading this record

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I am not sure if the name is Jesus or Juan Antonio Vicente, ch. 26 Nov
1829, but I also have a hard time reading the parents names. I you could
help I really would appreciate it.

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Hi Ester,

I read Juan Antonio Vicente, hijo natural de Susana Cuevas y madrina fue
Guadalupe Alvares. This would be my guess. The a's are consistently not
closed off at the top.

Regards,
Juan Aguayo

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> I am not sure if the name is Jesus or Juan Antonio Vicente, ch. 26 Nov
> 1829, but I also have a hard time reading the parents names. I you could
> help I really would appreciate it. Thank you.
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19453-71371-58?cc=1883388&wc…
>
> Esther

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Juan Antonio Vicente, hijo natural de Susana Cuevas su madrina fue
Guadalupe Alvares

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Hi Ester,
>
> I read Juan Antonio Vicente, hijo natural de Susana Cuevas y madrina fue
> Guadalupe Alvares. This would be my guess. The a's are consistently not
> closed off at the top.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Esther Jordan wrote:
>
>> I am not sure if the name is Jesus or Juan Antonio Vicente, ch. 26 Nov
>> 1829, but I also have a hard time reading the parents names. I you could
>> help I really would appreciate it. Thank you.
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19453-71371-58?cc=1883388&wc…
>>
>> Esther

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Thank you Juan. I was taking a guess and I was close. ☺
Have a nice day!
Esther

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Juan Antonio Vicente, hijo natural de Susana Cuevas su madrina fue
> Guadalupe Alvares
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Juan Aguayo
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ester,
> >
> > I read Juan Antonio Vicente, hijo natural de Susana Cuevas y madrina fue
> > Guadalupe Alvares. This would be my guess. The a's are consistently not
> > closed off at the top.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Juan Aguayo
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Esther Jordan
> wrote:
> >
> >> I am not sure if the name is Jesus or Juan Antonio Vicente, ch. 26 Nov
> >> 1829, but I also have a hard time reading the parents names. I you
> could
> >> help I really would appreciate it. Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19453-71371-58?cc=1883388&wc…
> >>
> >> Esther
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Att: Joseph - Getting replies to posts not received

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Joseph,

Danny and I seem to be getting the replies to NR for previous posts we did not receive, so we don't know what is being replied to.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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Hello,

I too have this situation repeatedly, where I see replies to posts I never
got in the first place. It has been going on for some time.

Susan Cadena

-----Original Message-----
From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf
Of Emilie Garcia
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:10 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Att: Joseph - Getting replies to posts not
received

Joseph,

Danny and I seem to be getting the replies to NR for previous posts we did
not receive, so we don't know what is being replied to.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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You will need to go to the website to read the messages. Sorry about the
problem. You can also reply from there if you choose.

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On
> Behalf Of Emilie Garcia
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 7:10 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Att: Joseph - Getting replies to posts not
> received
>
> Joseph,
>
> Danny and I seem to be getting the replies to NR for previous posts we
> did not receive, so we don't know what is being replied to.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>

Rita Garcia de Sanchez

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I am looking for descendants of Rita Garcia de Sanchez and her husband Miguel Sanchez.i am trying to find Rita Garcias parents.

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Here is Maria's baptism record. Baptized Nov 02, 1919. Paternal grandparents:Matias Sanchez & Atilana Becerra, maternal grandparents: J. Roque Garcia & Dorotea Carrion.

Citing this Record:Copy Citation

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-54125-38?cc=1874591&wc… : accessed 31 August 2015), Tepatitlán de Morelos > San Francisco de Asís > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1918-1920 > image 294 of 467; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

Maria Eustacia, daughter of Roque Garcia & Dorotea Carrion baptism record
iting this Record:Copy Citation

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-92938-84?cc=1874591 : accessed 31 August 2015), Tepatitlán de Morelos > San Francisco de Asís > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1880-1883 > image 587 of 669; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

This should give a good start. Good Luck, Gloria

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You're very welcome. I did not find a civil registration record for Paula Sanchez & I did not find her parents marriage record 1901-1905. Do you know how to search the familysearch.org records?

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Hello Gloria,
I have used familysearch.org for years. I go back to the time when I used to look through family search records before they had computers.

I could not find Paula Sanchez records but did find her in the census of 1930. I already had Paula's parents and was looking for her grandparents. I had been told that the paternal grandfather was named Roque but it turned out that her maternal grandfather was the Roque and that is the information that was throwing me off track. I had already searched for some of the siblings records but could not find them. I thought I would ask for help on nuestroranchos just in case someone else was also working on this line. I was going to go back and search again when you posted the information that I was looking for.

I am related to this family through Paula Sanchez's husband. He is a cousin to my paternal grandfather. I descend from Jose Maximo Franco y Barba (he reversed his surnames at times and was aka as Maximo Martin Franco y Barba and Paula's husband descends from Maximo's brother Jose Gabriel Franco y Barba. Both of them are sons of Jose Maria Franco o Martin ( Jose Maria Franco y Martin) and Maria Francisca Barba. Their father was the first one in this family to sometimes use the Martin surname instead of the Franco surname.

Thanks again,

Rick A Ricci

Dispensa Isabel Sanchez de Porras and Miguel de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza viudo Getrudis de Alderete

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I found this very nice dispensa (thanks to Katy's website) for the marriage of Isabel Sanchez de Porras to Miguel de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza widow of Getrudis de Alderete

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I also confirmed today that Juana Suarez de Ibarra and Maria Anna Suarez de Ibarra are sisters. This was probably a suspicion for all but I confirmed it for myself. Also surprisingly...Juana Suarez de Ibarra married el Viejo after Leonor Gonzalez de Hermosillo passed away while el Mozo married Maria Anna Suarez de Ibarra. Ill post the document that proves this by Monday

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Here is the dispensa I promised.

Joseph Estevan Sanchez de Porras h.l. Francisco Sanchez de Porras and Josepha de la Mora marrying Maria Anna Sanchez de Porras h.l. Juan Antonio Sanchez de Porras and Rosa de Ortega.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-69205-18?cc=1874591&wc…

The dispensa shows that
Geronimo Sanchez de Porras (el mozo) 1 Juan Antonio Sanchez de Porras
Francisco Sanchez de Porras 2 Maria Anna Sanchez de Porras
Joseph Estevan Sanchez de Porras 3

and

Mariana Suarez de Ibarra 1 Juana Suarez de Ibarra
Francisco Sanchez de Porras 2 Juan Antonio Sanchez de Porras
Joseph Estevan Sanchez de Porras 3 Maria Anna Sanchez de Porras

After Leonor Gonzalez de Hermosillo died in 1673, Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, el Viejo, married Juana Sanchez de Porras in 1677. Juan Antonio Sanchez de Porras is the only son I know of from this couple. Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, el Mozo, married Juana's sister, Mariana Suarez de Ibarra sometime around 1681 - 1686.

Side question: Have you been able to resolve how Elena Illian de Vargas traces back her lineage to Diego Garcia de Colio? My spanish is not good enough to figure it out positively.

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Thank you for providing this easy to understand review of this dispensa. It helped me realize that some parts of my tree was incorrect (too many Leonors and Juans). As for Geronimo Sanchez de Porras (Viejo and Mozo) I also found an Orden, thanks to the labors of Katy Brecht, for Juan Manuel Sanchez de Porras; son and grandson that demonstrates that they were two separate people. Another reason to work only with primary sources.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-37511-28?cc=1874591&wc…

does this doucment name any particular person as a recipient of this capellania

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-64241-20?cc=1874591&wc…

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Thank you Manny that was great. I didn't know any of that or anything about
a capellania. It's very interesting to know how they lived in ancient times.

Danny C. Alonso

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Danny, what did Manny say it was? I don't seem to get all the messages.

Emilie

> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:18:17 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capellania
>
> Thank you Manny that was great. I didn't know any of that or anything about
> a capellania. It's very interesting to know how they lived in ancient times.
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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Emilie I don't think I'm getting all the messages too and this one looks
like it posted to a whole different post that wasnt the post we were on. I
dont know why. This is the original thread we were on that has the post
Manny wrote.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21790?page=5

and he gave me this list of spanish words that has a lot of great stuff.

http://www.somosprimos.com/spanishterms/spanishterms.htm

Danny C. Alonso

Published by victorianonavarro (no verificado) – Vie, 2013-07-12 14:22 | Enlace permanente

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The following image lists three recipients (capellanes) in the last bracket, and on that image and the following it says that the Yndios de Nochistlan were the founders of the capellanía.

Victoriano Navarro

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Probably. On image 432 it says that the recipient should be "un hijo del pueblo", and on next image it says "intentamos imponer y fundar la referida capellania a favor de un hijo de este pueblo para que a su vista nuestros hijos se alienten y quieran salir de la miseria en que se hallan para ser sacerdotes". A transcription of the full document could clarify if this was actually the case.

Victoriano Navarro

Villaroel Apellido #1 wife

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Monday, March 30, 2009

Dear Tomas--

I have been studying your family lines. I have three children for Don Jose Rafael VILLARRUEL and Dona Maria Antonia GALLAGA, the first of the three born about 1785. I do not have the other two wives for Jose Antonio Rafael VILLARROEL Castellanos, whose birth I was guessing was about 1755. I did not have his parents. Do you have parents for Don Maria Antonia GALLAGA?

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Hola a todos.. yo tengo en el árbol de mi marido a Ana Gertrudis Villarruel casada con Antonio Navarro yo creo que cerca de 1730 a 1750..padres de José Pablos Navarro casado con Maria Eusebia Franco Ramirez en tepatitlan maria Eusebia nace el 21 mar 1771 tepatitlan, Jalisco,

Sabe alguien algo de esa rana ya sea de Navarro o Villarruel-Villarroel? gracias Leticia Reynoso

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¿Alguna alma caritativa que se apiade de mi? estoy atorada en mi propio árbol desde hace varios años, con el family search pilot y gracias a Paty Haro agregé una rama.. pero de plano..no avanzo y apenas son los papás de mis abuelos!!! ¿no es el colmo? Leticia Reynoso

1) Faustino Reynoso casado el 14 enero 1875 con Maria Maciel en Santa catarina martir, méxico D.F ( yo no se si es coyoacan)
es mi bisabuelo directo y no se nada de él.. ni de ella quienes eran sus padres.. o de donde venían..

2) Juan E.Contreras y Aurora Arias

ella Herminia Aurora Arias Spinola nacida el 23 jul 1873 (hija de Jesus Arias del que no se nada y Benita Spinola que tampoco..) en el family film 0266531 La Asunsión Pachuca de Soto, Hidalgo
hermanos : Maria Mercedes Arias Spinola 24 sep 1868
Aristeo leopoldo Arias Spinola 18 oct 1871
Luz Maria Arias Spinola
Guillermo Arias Spinola

hijos de Juan" (Evangelista)" Contreras era maestro decano en Chapingo y fué ingeniero de minas su padre también creo que era Juan N Contreras importante en la universidad de guanajuato, también de minas tenía una concesión de mina pero no se más de él y no se sus apellidos.. y Aurora Herminia Arias:

24 Jun 1899 Pachuca de Soto, Hidalgo no se si es nacimiento o bautismo pero es Juan Alfonso Contreras Arias ,film 266537 ésta es la que mas me interesa ya que éste es mi abuelo..pero murió 30 años antes de que yo naciera,porque en los abuelos tal vez vengan las 2 ramas pero los de negrita que apenas son la generación anterior a mi mamá los tengo perdidos..

Gerónimo Gutierrez -Moreno y Encarnación Cabrera casados en Guadalajara Jalisco el 29 de Nov 1851 (0038361 film) no tengo padres

Pedro Nolasco Rada casado con Maria Josefa Gonzalez el 8 sep 1817 Sagrario metropolitano guadalajara Jalisco film 0038359 no tengo padres

y finalmente el acta de Jovita Coronado Nuno o (Nuñez) hija de Jose Wenceslao Coronado y Maria Nuno
nacida el 4 mar 1898 en santa fe, san Miguel, Jalisco ya que su papá era hermano de mi abuelo perdido conociendo a sus abuelos daré con mis bisabuelos y sería maravilloso.. no les trauma que no encuentre nada.. yo no conoci a ninguno de mis 4 abuelos,solo a una de chiquita.. y ami sólo me contaba cuentos ( de los de antes) pero nunca me dijo como se llamaban sus parientes..

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Leticia,

Deja prejuntarte ... ?Has visto los documentos que mencionas o te estas
basando nomas en lo que ves in el sitio FamilySearch Pilot? Te lo pregunto
porque muchas veces la informacion que se encuentra en este sitio esta
incompleta y tambien se encuentran muchos errores. De todos modos es un
sitio muy bueno y un buen lugar para empezar buscando informacion, te
aconsejaria que mandes pedir copias de los originales - es possible que esos
documentos te den mas informacion ... Por ejemplo los nombres de los padres
or abuelos, de donde originaron....

Tambien ... Pienso que el apellido Spinola puede ser Espinosa.

-Angelina-

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Angelina, Leticia et al:

Hola Angelina. El apellido Spínola existió en México desde el tiempo de la colonia. No es mi línea, pero mi tía Magdalena Spínola Strecker, poetisa Guatemalteca del siglo XX, era descendiente del Coronel Mexicano Don José María Spínola Baeza y Bravo.

El Alférez de Caballería Coronel José María Spínola Baeza y Bravo de la Puerta llegó a Guatemala el 12 de junio de 1822 al mando de 600 hombres del ejército mexicano, bajo las órdenes del General de Brigada Don Vicente Filísola. Filísola llegó por órdenes del emperador Iturbide, en vía de "protección" para asegurar la tranquilidad en el territorio nacional, en vista de que Guatemala se había anexado a México. Por supuesto Guatemala se sintió herida por aquel atropello a su libertad. Algo parecido sucedía en el Salvador. Ambos países condenaban el decreto de la unión a México, y peleaban acaloradamente contra los invasores. Después de muchas luchas sangrientas, Filísola volvió a México en julio de 1823, después que se dio el decreto de independencia absoluta a la patria centro-americana. El coronel Don José María Espínola Baeza y Bravo ya no regresó a México porque en Guatemala conoció a la señorita Mariana del Aguila Escobar, con quien contrajo matrimonio. Procrearon varios hijos, entre ellos Don Vicente Spínola del Aguila, abuelo de Magdalena Spínola. Tengo entendido que la madre de Don José María, Doña Fernanda María de Loreto BAEZA y BRAVO era descendiente del General de División don Nicolás Bravo, Benemérito de la Patria en grado heróico y Presidente de la República de México en los años 1839-1842-1846. Don José María Baeza y Bravo murió con la efectividad de Caballería el 20 de agosto de 1857.

Don José María fue bautizado el 9 de septiembre de 1793 en la Iglesia de San Pablo Apóstol de la Ciudad de México (hoy Distrito Federal). Era hijo de Don José Antonio Espínola y Rocamora de Rovigo y de Doña Fernanda María de Loreto Baeza y Bravo, vecinos de la Ciudad de México.

No creo que estos Spínola (o Espínola) estén relacionados con los Spínola de Leticia, pero quien sabe... A ver que piensan.

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

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Hola Bill y Leticia,

Gracias Bill. Si, tienes razon. El apellido Spinola existe en Mexico.

Encontre en familysearch.com un documento muy parecido a la informacion que
Leticia tiene. En este caso el apellido de la madre es "Espinosa" y no
"Spinola". Familysearch tiene muchos erores y es muy posible que Benita
"Espinosa" y Benita "Spinola" sean la misma persona.

-Angelina-

HERMINIA AURORA ARIAS ESPINOSA Pedigree
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Birth:
Christening: 23 JUL 1873 La Asuncion, Pachuca De Soto, Hidalgo, Mexico
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Parents:
Father: JESUS ARIAS Family
Mother: BENITA ESPINOSA
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C613825 1871 - 1875 0266531 Film NONE Sheet:
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Hola chicos, les mando mi parte de una línea de los Reynoso del Distrito federal que tengo que se cruza con los Espíndola y que seguramente han de ser parientes de los quedice Bill pues aunque en el registro dice Saenz el de los papás ya se convierte en Baez o Baeza y seguramente es un error en el registro de nacimiento al paleografiarlo.. aver que les parece Leticia Reynoso

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Hola Leticia,

No me llegó la información de los Reynoso del DF. Me la podrías mandar
directamente a mi correo personal? Gracias.

Bill Figueroa

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From: "leticia reynoso"
To: "s s"
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Espindola, Distrito Federal

Hola chicos, les mando mi parte de una línea de los Reynoso del Distrito
federal que tengo que se cruza con los Espíndola y que seguramente han de
ser parientes de los quedice Bill pues aunque en el registro dice Saenz el
de los papás ya se convierte en Baez o Baeza y seguramente es un error en el
registro de nacimiento al paleografiarlo.. aver que les parece Leticia
Reynoso

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Busqué en las genealogías de la nobleza y parece que los Spinola si es apellido, provienen de una familia de la nobleza italiana. Se casaron bastantemente entre unas de mis líneas los Fernández de Córdova. Pienso que los Fernández de Córdova son los mismos que la familia Camacho-Riquelme en los Altos. Silvestre (I) tuvó varios nietos e hijos que tomaron el apellido F. de Córdova. -Daniel M del Camino

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También Don Mariano González Leal menciona que hay una relación entre el apellido Camacho Riquelme y los Fernández de Córdoba por la misma razón que menciona Daniel. Algunos de los descendientes de Silvestre Camacho Riquelme en ocasiones aparecen como Fernández de Córdoba. También menciona a algunos que utilizaron el apellido Bustamante.

Una de las hijas de Silvestre Camacho Riquelme aparece con el apellido Mejía y también esto se me hace curioso.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Hola Jorge, estudiare mas sobre esta familia, quisiera continuar el linaje de los Camacho Riquelme, por cual pienso debe ser de su madre (de Silvestre) quien es F. de Cordoba. A traves de ver documentos y otras metas que tengo lo publicare, todavia esta en solo un idea. -Daniel

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:35:24 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Espindola, Distrito Federal
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> También Don Mariano González Leal menciona que hay una relación entre el apellido Camacho Riquelme y los Fernández de Córdoba por la misma razón que menciona Daniel. Algunos de los descendientes de Silvestre Camacho Riquelme en ocasiones aparecen como Fernández de Córdoba. También menciona a algunos que utilizaron el apellido Bustamante.
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> Una de las hijas de Silvestre Camacho Riquelme aparece con el apellido Mejía y también esto se me hace curioso.
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> Saludos.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Mariano Gonzalez Leal, Jorge Luis Ramirez Gomez and Daniel Mendez Torres have previously commented on the descendants of Sylvestre Camacho Riquelme using the Fernandez de Córdoba surname. They stated that this shows descendancy from the Fernandez Córdoba family in Spain. The theory that Sylvestre Camacho Riquelme's mother is Fernandez Córdoba is not necessarily accurate as the connection between the Fernandez de Córdoba and the Camacho family extends into Spain. Gonzalo Fernandez Córdoba in Spain in the 1400's and 1500's can be found in records. He is also known as Gonzalo Fernandez Camacho. This shows that Sylvester Camacho Riquelme's father may be the connection to the Fernandez Córdoba

R.A. Ricci

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Hola Angelina, no de hecho los nombres son sacados del registro original de nacimiento de mi bisabuela en el archivo general de la nación, pero sin ninguna pista porque hasta ahí llega,cierto que en el family hay muchos errores, pero la mayoria de los casos es una buena pista para lugares o segundos apellidos, hermanos, etc..además según la interpretación de quien esté bajando la información y lo digo por experiencia pues me meti de voluntaria a indexar y de verdad hay veces que no se entiende que dice en éste caso mis tías abuelas juran y perjuran que no era ESPINDOLA ni ESPINOSA sino SPINOLA y además sin la "E" pero en el registro de familysearch dice espinosa de hecho hay una Maria Benigna que es Espinosa Spinola pero como hay 4 contemporáneas ya solo divago, tengo la esperanza de que ese misterio quede claro en el acta de Matrimonio de Benita y Jesus Arias si la encuentro algún dia,

además en el D.F. tengo la línea de mi papá que sí es Espíndola nada que ver..saludos y gracias Leticia Reynoso

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Saludos Patricia:

Por Favor ve mi segundo Post, alli rectifique mi "Error de Dedo"
el año correcto es 1772, 03-Feb-1772 en Ocotlan , Jalisco.

No tengo a los padres de Ma. Antonia Gallaga (Sera Pariente
del Padre de la Patria: Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla y Mandarte
Gallaga?).

Aqui te pongo el Matrimonio de Rafael Villarroel con
Ma. Rafaela Cabeza de Vaca:

Se casaron en la Parroquia de San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.
Film # 0654715, Matrimonios de 1763-1815.

La Fé de Matriomonio se encuentra en el Libro No. 1 de
Matrimonios de Españoles de la Parroquia de San Francisco
de Asis, de Ixtlan, Michoacan, a Fojas 87 Vta. y dice asi:

Al Margen dice: =-Dn.- -Rafael Vi- -llarruel y Da.- -Maria Rafa-
-ela Caveza- -de Baca-=.
Dentro Dice: =En el año de Señor de mil Setecientos noventa
y tres a cinco de Avril En la Yg.a Parroquial de Ystlan haviendo
presedido las Moniciones Conciliares en tres dias festivos inter
Misarum Solemnia y no haviendo imp.to alg.o, estando ----------
instruidos en los Misterios de N.tra Santa Fé y Doctrina Xtiana,
yo el Br. Don Fran.co Silva Cura por su Maj.d (Majestad) case,
por palabras de presente y Vele a Rafael Villarruel Esp.l Orig.o
del Partido de la Barca y desde su Ynfancia vez.o de esta en
la Has.da de Buenavista, hijo leg.mo de Rafael Villarruel y de
Vicenta Ochoa difunta, con Maria Rafaela Cavesa de Baca asi
mismo Española Orig.a y Vec.a de este Curato en la Has.da de
Buenavista, hija legitima de Don Manuel Cavesa de Baca y de
Maria Teresa Cuevas, fueron sus Padrinos Rafael Cavesa de
Baca y Maria Guadalupe ¿Sagusfer? , fueron Testigos Don
Manuel Villanueva y Don Antonio Valladolid y para que conste
lo firmo.= Firmado: =B. Fran.co Silva=

Que otra informacion de los Villarruel Tienes Tu
que me puedas compartir?

Saludos desde Guadalajara, Jalisco:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

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Hello, my name is Elena Becerra Woodard. Through my mother’s family, I believe I am related to both of you. My research shows that my ancestors from my grandmother on my mother’s side were in the Chinampas, Jalisco area for at least 250 years, before migrating to the US in 1898, settling in Colton, CA.

I am a direct descendent of the following people from Chinampas:
My grandmother: Felipa Canales (1890 – 1981)
Her parents: Simon Canales (1858 – 1955) m. Epimenia Contreras (1861 – 1902)
Juan Andres Canales (b. 1823) m. Maria Casilda Cuellar (b. 1829)
Jose Sixto Cuellar (b. abt 1780) m. Maria Felipa Sanchez (b. abt 1780)
Miguel Sanchez (b. abt 1760) m. Gregoria de Lira (b. abt 1760)
Antonio Atanacio Basilio Cuellar (b. 1765) m. Ana Maria Collazo (b. 1759)
Juan Cristomo Collaso (b. 1736) m. Maria Celedonia Delgado ( b. 1730)
Juan Delgado (b. 1703) m. Maria Ysabel de Peres y Gutierres (b. 1704)
Lorenzo Delgado (b. 1676) m. Juana de la Cruz (1675)
Lazaro Delgado ( b. 1655) m. Nicolasa de la Cruz (1650 – 1722)
Lucas de Ramirez Delgado (b. 1629) m. Maria Magdalena Hernandez (b. 1634)
Jose Miguel Cuellar ( b. abt 1740) m. Maria Josefa Martinez (b. abt 1740)
Maximo Canales (b. 1794) m. Josefa Gomez (b. 1797)
Ygnacio Gomez (b. abt 1770) m. Maria Matiana Barrientos (b. 1768)
Jose Miguel Canales (b. abt 1770) m. Paula Elena Perez (b. abt 1770)
Franciso Perez ( b.abt 1750) m. Petra Flores (b. abt 1750)
Jose Manuel Guadalupe Canales (b. abt 1750) m. Maria Antonia Garcia (b. abt 1750)
Gregoria Contreras (b. abt 1830) m. Timotea Ibarra (abt. 1820)

Several of my family lines in the Chinampas, Jalisco area intermarried with Terrones.

My father’s family are Becerras who lived in the Tepic, Nayarit area for at least 150 years before migrating to the US and settling in San Bernardino, CA.

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Hi Barbara,

Welcome to the community. I’ve very well-researched on Ojuelos (Cienega and Sr San Jose), as well as San Matias, Pinos, and Asientos, Ags; most of my lines were settled in that area by the early-1700s, and oddly enough, none of mine have intermarried with any Terrones.

I do descend from the Lira on Chinampas, though from an earlier generation, so I don’t have your Manuela de la Trinidad. My ancestor was Margarita de Lira, baptized 7 Jun 1688, born on Chinampas. She married Francisco Becerra, her parents were Juan de Lira and Maria de la Cruz aka Maria de la Rosa aka Maria de la Concepcion aka Maria de la Encarnacion. Juan de Lira and Maria de la Cruz were either Mestizos, Mulatos Libres, Indios, or Coyotes, depending on the record (my Margarita was born Mulata Libre, but was India when she wedded). There were probably 2 Juan de Lira’s married to Maria's living on Chinampas in the same timeline, so I’m still not 100%, but I’ve sifted through the records and have determined that the following are their children:

1. Ana de Lira Candelaria, b. 32 Aug 1669, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (India), m. Gaspar de los Reyes.
2. Juan de Lira-Rosa, (Mestizo) m. Juana de Dios Ubaldo.
3. Jose de Lira Cruz, b. 30 Mar 1675, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Mestizo),
4. Francisco de Lira, (Mestizo) m. Barbara Sanchez.
5. Manuel de Lira Concepcion, 26 Jul 1678, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Mestizo)
6. Marcelino de Lira Cruz, b. 26 Jun 1680, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Mestizo), m1 Teresa de Jesus Lopez m2 Juana Maria Ygnes de Escobar.
7. Maria de Lira Cruz, 20 Aug 1684, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Mestiza)
8. Dominga de Lira, 02 Jul 1686, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Coyota), m. Jacinto Martin.
9. Margarita de Lira, 07 Jun 1688, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Mulata Libre), m. Francisco Becerra.
10. Maria Rosa de Lira Rosa, 06 Jun 1690, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (India)
11. Juan Miguel de Lira Cruz, 08 Sep 1691, Queretaro, Queretaro. (Mestizo)
12. Jacinta de Lira Cruz, 06 Jun 1695, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. (Mestiza), m. Bernsrdo Rodriguez.

Your Manuela de la Trinidad de Lira is likely a daughter of one of their children, since most remained on Chinampas when they married. So this is a good list to start with. Manuel de Lira is the obvious.

I’m always sifting through those archives, so I’ll keep an eye open for your peeps.

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hi Manny,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I appreciate your information on the Lira line. I will take your suggestion and start there.

My mother-in-law, Rosita Aranda, daughter of Trinidad Guerrero Aranda and Alejandra Sanchez married my father-in-law, Epifanio "Alberto" Lopez, son of Juan Martinez Terrones and Antonia Lopez, all of Chinampas, Mexico.

Sadly, my mother-law, Rosa, just passed away Monday night. Her daughters and I were hoping to have more information for her regarding the Aranda and Terrones lines.

But I will continue my research for my four children and my Terrones, sister-in-laws, who are very interested in my research.

Barb

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I have been a fan of the internet conversations for the last 6 months and now I can be part of those conversations. Thank you to all for all the great work presented, I hope my contribution will be of value and not a repetition for you seasoned members. The link is for the Delgado family in Zacatecas. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/sarod77

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Thanks! There are many, but I will start Florentina Delgado family search ID: LK7C-LZ4
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GZB-ZNH?cc=1860864&wc=MC4….

Florentina Delgado Married Jose Rafael Rodriguez Contreras. The information I found for Rafael is as follows: son of Jose Tomas Rodriguez Alonzo and Maria Dorotea Contreras Lira
Jose Tomas Rodriguez Alonzo is son of Manuel Rodriguez and Petra Alonzo sometimes it has Maria Marta Alonzo on birth records.

The record I have for manuel rodriguez and Petra Alonzo does not match what I have been told of Florentina (this family can be found on familysearch the Delgados were originally from Pinos). Was Penon part of Zacatecas at one time. I have looked for records and I see a place called Penon not sure if its the same. Anyway her family owned half of Azogueros in Salinas del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico that was left to her (this is oral history or legend of the family) she disowned my great-grandfather Pedro Rodriguez for having married someone who was not of Spanish descent and of her family standing. So I am on the hunt for a wedding record for Jose Tomas Rodriguez Alonzo and Maria Dorotea Contreras Lira. Today another record match appeared with a couple named maria Alonso con Manuel rodriguez from Spain having a child named manuel MJ11-Kb4 1959 but its just another possibility until a marriage record appears.

On another note: I have a couple Named Domingo Lopez 1719 (per his IM y Padres no conocidos) with Clara de Esparsa (padres no conocidos) though I can't locate a record I found that Micaela De Esparsa had a child natural. Her father is Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza and Clara Bueno. On the marriage record a couple is also getting married with the same names as Lopez and Esparza with the same dates of IM appearances. So my question is there any place to look for a child that has padres no conocidos. I know Domingo (legend) was a soldier who came over from Spain with Echegaray a nobleman. It could be his father who was the soldier.

> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:50:46 -0700
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New member
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> Sarod77, welcome to the group. Is there a specific person or couple who
> you're looking for information about?
>
> Paige

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I would be careful with family legend, many turn out to be false. At
least, in my family, I'm not sure why they made up so many stories, but
they did. And, I've heard similar things from others. I would also
disregard records from Spain, it's most likely just a person or couple with
a similar name. And, there's really no place to look for hijos de padres no
conocidos, that usually means the child was abandoned at birth. When you
see that, it's pretty much the end of the line.

Paige

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Hola primas,

"Hijo de padres no conocidos" doesn't necessarily mean a child has been abandoned; there were couples who, unmarried, might have one or more child together, and for some reason, when the child is baptized, they choose not to leave their names. My g6's, Andres Diaz de Leon and Dionicia Duron, lived together for almost 12 years, before they married, and they had 5 children; one of the reasons they gave for marrying, was to legitimize their children. Unfortunately, they never went back and amended the partidas for said children (not that I know of, anyways).

One of my great aunts, Victoriana Gonzalez and her husband, Miguel Macias de Anda, married 16 Feb 1746, in Aguascalientes. The previous year, they baptized a child, Maria Magdalena, on 25 Jul 1745; on the partida, she is listed as "de padres no conocidos," but in the margin, and after the parents married, you can see they went back and amended the entry (lower right):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11678-30016-9?cc=1502404&w…

But they were a wealthy landowning family, and the legitimacy was necessary for inheritances.

I've seen various dispensas for children of unknown parents, on which their pedigrees are given. Unfortunately, the dispensas aren't for my "parentless" ancestors!

But, as Paige mentions, there is no way to actively look for records for children of unknown parents.

By the way, throughout the 1700s and early into the 1800s, Peñon Blanco (also Peñol Blanco) was located in the jurisdiction of San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. You can find the church records there.

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Thank you Danny for finding and pointing out the Morquecho information on Wikitree. I added these profiles on Wikitree in hope of making a connection to my 7th Great Grandmother Maria Antonia Morquecho (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morquecho-2). Maria Antonia married Cristobal Martinez and were 'vecinos' of Penuelas near Aguascalientes, In Cristobal's burial record it states that he was 'originario' of Agostadero in the jurisdiction of Asientos. Any additional information on this couple would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Austin Perez

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Thank you Austin for your wikitree. you have done so much work on it. its
so great and very helpful to me.

Danny C. Alonso

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Glad to hear that it was helpful. Send me an email through Wikitree if you would like to add your family tree to Wikitree. It would be interesting to see if we are related.

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Hi Austin,

I read your last post, and you mentioned that Cristobal’s burial record said he was originally from Agostadero, jurisdiction of Asientos. There were lots of haciendas called “Agostadero,” but if it’s the one I’m thinking of, it lay between Asientos and Pinos, and today, is the municipal seat of Villa Garcia, Zacatecas. Like Real de Angeles, during different periods in the 1700’s, it would fall under the jurisdiction of one or the other parish, so you should also look in San Matias, Pinos.

I have a Cristobal Martin in my tree, son of Asencio Martin and Ynes Lopez aka Ynes de Urbina; Asencio Martin was son of Francisco Martin and Maria Rodriguez; Ynes Lopez daughter of Bernavel Lopez and Luisa de Olguin. Their marriage index: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5FZ-YQG

But I have Cristobal Martin married to Maria Antonia de Avila. They married 4 May 1732, in Pinos. The marriage took place on Aguagorda, which also appears in the Asientos archives, if my memory serves me:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-26827-25?cc=1804458&wc…

Maria Antonia de Avila was daughter of Nicolas de Avila and Magdalena de Contreras. I researched them, because I thought they might be Lopez de Avila, of Pinos and SLP, but as far as I can tell, they’re not. Nicolas de Avila and Magdalena de Contreras baptized at least 3 children in Aguascalientes, between 1688 and 1695, and in 1698, they’re living in Pinos. They had 6 more children, many born in Pinos. They lived on Lobo, when Cristobal and Maria Antonia married, which is near Agostadero.

I haven’t seen “Morquecho” associated with this family group, so it might be off track. Or, it might be ON track, and “Morquecho” another piece of the puzzle, something Maria Antonia added at a later date. The fact that Cristobal and Maria Antonia had a daughter named Maria Ynes is a good indication.

There were Morquecho in early Pinos/ Ojuelos, who I think originated in San Miguel de Allende. I want to say they married into the Quijas Escalante.

Many of the names and surnames do coincide, as do the locations, so it might be worth looking into.

I hope that helps!

Su primo,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hola Austin,

To help you along, here’s what I have on Nicolas de Avila and Magdalena de Contreras:

a) Maria de Avila, b. 11 May 1688, Aguascalientes
b) Lorenza de Avila, b. 16 Oct 1690, Aguacalientes
c) Eugenio de Avila, b. 10 Mar 1695, Aguascalientes
d) Matiana de Avila, b. 20 Mar 1698, Pinos, Zcatecas
e) Segundo de Avila, m.Antonia de la Canderlaria Rosa, 9 Oct 1729, Pinos, Zacatecas.
f) Jacinta Marina de Avila, b. 21 Sep 1702, Pinos, Zacatecas
g) Maria Antonia de Avila, m. Cristobal Martin, 3 May 1732, Pinos, Zacatecas
h) Gregorio de Avila, m. Andrea Dominguez Zamudio, 21 May 1736, Pinos, Zacatecas
i) Antonia de la Trinidad de Avila, b. 2 Aug 1707, Pinos; m. Baltasar Gaitan, 15 Jun 1726, Pinos, Zacatecas.

Let me know if it's the right family, "Morquecho" could be a helpful clue.

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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thank you for the advice. I went back to my tree and found I had not finish linking Juana Gertrudes Gomes with Joseph Vicente Morquecho and Vicente's parents, Rodrigo Jacinto Morquecho y Phelipa de Quixas (Quijas) Escalante. I cannot find their marriage certificate, but I will keep looking. I not sure if her sister married a zid de escobar they are from Guanajuato. Thanks, again

> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:10:27 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New member
>
> Miss Rodriguez, I looked at your tree to see if I have any of your
> ancestors, but I dont. But on the Austin Perez Wikitree he has some of your
> ancestors listed. you should look here.
> http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morquecho-22
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Juan Gómez Rubio (Gómez García)

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Hola estimados compañeros:

Quiero compartirles un documento que descubrí gracias al trabajo de Katy Brecht Quesada en su índice de Ordenes Sacerdotales.

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Que tal le va ? Joven Agraz , siempre dándonos buenos motivos para seguir en la búsqueda . creo que el Señor Tovar de Teresa estaría encantado con su descubrimiento. lo felicito y agradezco . la información . si usted me sugiere algún tipo de búsqueda con gusto colaborare . Atte su servidor .

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Mr. Agraz, This is a fabulous find!!! You have a very keen eye!! Thanks to Katy Brecht's work I'm sure we have all benefitted at one time or another.
There is no mention of Juan Gomez Rubio attending seminary or requesting ordenes. Since all of the testigos mention that the children of Alonso and Maria Gomez were baptized at the Convent of San Francisco in Cocula and that they attended the baptisms, and marriage of the parents; it appears to me that Juan's record of baptism cannot be located. He is therefore seeking testament to establish legal documentation that he is the son of Alonso Rubio and Maria Gomez and he is legitimate. Congratulations to you and thank you for sharing this gem. Deedra Corona

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Enrique, mi estimado colega,
Me da mucho gusto oír de ti otra vez. Estoy ahora empezando mi residencia en Medicina Familiar todavía en los Estados Unidos. Por acá el entrenamiento consiste de tres años después de la escuela de medicina.

¡Me parece fabuloso el documento que encontraste sobre Juan Gómez Rubio, y creo muy posible que se trate de nuestro ancestro al que conocemos como Juan Gómez García! Aquí les dejo la imagen del bautismo de Francisca Gómez de Velasco, que está en el buscador de Familysearch. Efectivamente dice Juan Gómez Rubio:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-61837-33?cc=1874591&wc…

Me lanzaste a la búsqueda y hoy acabo de encontrar un documento, gracias también a los índices que ha ido elaborando Katy Brecht Quesada . Se trata de un documento fechado en 1689, en que Bartolomé Rodrígues Palma, dueño de las haciendas de Tepuzhuacan (hoy en la frontera entre Nayarit y Jalisco) y la hacienda de Amajaque (que no he encotnrado), dice querer redimir la capellanía que sirve Juan Gómez Rubio en una cantidad de 3,000 pesos. En la imagen 248 dice que Juan Gómez Rubio es Presbítero de Nochistlán (que supongo es la presente Nochistlán, Zacatecas).

Inicialmente pensé que se trataba de la misma persona que enconstraste tú, pero luego recordé que nuestro ancestro Juan Gómez Rubio falleció en 1683, así que no podía ser capellán, después de morir. Por lo tanto, sospecho el Juan Gómez Rubio en la Capellanía es hijo de nuestro ancestro, Juan Gómez Rubio (Gómez García).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18402-56720-0?cc=1874591&wc=…

Enhorabuena, Enrique!

Saludos,
Sergio Salés

lorenzo carrillo davila

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-37971-36?cc=1874591&wc…

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Katy I don't have a wife for Pedro Carrillo De Avila father of Capitan Bernardo Carrillo de Avila married to Juana Mercado. I do have this

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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
......trunk.. Pedro Carrillo Davila
Bernardo Carrillo Davila......Ana Carrillo Davila..1st degree
Nicolasa Carrillo Davila.......Petronila Felix de Arellano..2nd degree
Juan de la Torre Gamboa...Teresa Felix de Arellano..3rd degree
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
..trunk... Pedro Carrillo de Avila
Nicolas Felix Arellano.......Maria Carillo...1st degree
Bartolome Felix Arellano..Joseph Roman..2nd degree
Juan Dionicio Carrillo.........Francisca Roman.3rd degree.
information for lineage of Juan Carrillo Davila
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also this
marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
...trunk...Unknown Carrillo Davila
Juan Carrillo D...... Pedro Carrillo D. 1st degree
Pedro Carrillo D.....Maria Carrillo D.. 2nd degree
Maria Carrillo D......Pedro Cid Caldera..3rd degree
Joseph Roman......Josefa Cid Caldera 4th degree
.
source: 167367 sagrada mitra film
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I also have Pedro Carrillo Pinedo married to Ysabel Delgado as the parents of Juan Carrillo De Avila but on wife of Juan Carrillo de Avila or his son Pedro Carrillo de Avila.
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My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico. If you go to pedigree in text form it's easier to read for lineage but you probably already know this. I have no found a connection to the Caldera line yet..
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia, Was
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Katy I'm wondering if I have my Pedro Carrillo De Avila's as more than one person in my files.
if I do then they are part of the Caldera line. I have this record but found it confusing because of my lack of Spanish language skills.

~
1st cousin 7x removed in law of Chet Castanon
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marriage dispensation requested Febrero 7 de 1690 in Xerez, Zac
Dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad.-
Joseph Román, vecino de la Ciudad de Zacatecas, hijo de padres
no conocidos, expuesto en casa de Don Joseph Román de Cabrera; with; Josepha Sid. española de 19 años de edad, nacida y criada en la Villa de Xerez de la Frontera,
parents: Pedro Sid Caldera, español y de Juana Rosales.
Se le comunicó al pretenso el parentesco y pidió guardar el secreto atento a que Doña María Carrillo de Avila, que dice.i ser su madre que es ya difunta, había sido una mujer principal y haber sido casada con un hombre principal que es vivo.
Declaración de Doña María de Arellano, española de 50 años de edad, viuda del Cap. Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila:
Dijo que Doña María Carrillo, ya difunta, le dijo que viviendo en la Estancia que llaman de San Diego que es jurisdicción de
Pánuco. en la casa de su madre, en reputación de doncella por su desgracia se había hecho preñada y que con título de enferma la llevaron a la Ciudad de Zacatecas a la casa de Joseph de Román Cabrera, donde nasio a Joseph Román, pretenso, y que los abuelos de los pretensos que fueron Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila y María Carrillo, eran primos hermanos. Definición del parentesco: Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila y Juan Carrillo Dávila, fueron hermanos, y Pedro, tuvo a
María Carrillo, y ésta tuvo a Pedro Sid Caldera, padre de la pretensa, y Juan Carrillo, tuvo a Don Pedro Carrillo Dávila, y éste tuvo a María Carrillo Dávila,
madre del pretenso. 14 fojas.
source: sagrada mitra 167980 film -
page 566 Familysearch online program
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-45123-87?cc=1874591&wc…
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Katy I have this as their pedigree
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=mexico&id=I97…

this will give you the pedigree in text form for Joseph Roman and Josepha Cid Caldera
I think I have duplicate Pedro's but since I don't have wives I'm confused now..
Linda

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bernardo's mother's name is isabel delgado according to this page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18376-20186-28?cc=1874591&wc…

also i don't think a pedro carrillo pinedo exists.

i just know the found of jerez, pedro carrillo davila, married sancha vasquez de tapia and had at least 3 children with her: juan carrillo davila, pedro carrillo davila (who i'll call jr for now), and ana vasquez de mercado. jr married catalina cid caldera (alias gonzalez, who may or may not have been married at one point to rodrigo pinedo as well, but dn't have enough proof for yet.), and they had a son also named pedro(who i suspect may be lorenzo's grandpa but have no solid proof for that either), and a daughter named juana.

if my suspisin of the third pedro carrillo davila is correct, then that would mean that lorenzo has an uncle named diego(who's an ancestor of mines) as well, and that diego's mom 's name wuld be isabel delgado.

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Katy I am totally confused.. is Catalina Sid Caldera the same person as Maria Gonzales Caldera?
I have Maria Gonzales Caldera married to Capitan Pedro Carrillo de Avila and no husband for Catalina Sid Caldera with a son named Pedro Carrillo De Avila father of Diego Carrillo de Avila married to Francisca Tello Orosco.. are they the same woman?

I also have Pedro Carrillo de Avila from Spain married to Maria Sancha Velmar daughter of Bernardino Sanchez de Tapia and wife not listed.. is this the same Sancha with a different surname that you have?

Linda Castanon-Long
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10th Great Grandfather of Chet Castanon
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
...trunk..Pedro Carrillo and Dona Sancha de Velmar
Juan Carrillo.............Ana Vasquez de Mercado.1st degree
Maria Carrillo.............Phelipe del Rio...2nd degree
Catalina Carrillo........Ana del Rio....3rd degree
Pedro Carlos.............Juana de la Torre..4th degree
source: sagrada mitra 167977
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well no, catalina and maria are sisters. catalina married pedro carrillo davila and possibly rodrigo pinedo before pedro. maria gonzalez cid married pedro alonzo de avila.

yes i think sancha velmar is the same person as sancha vasquez de tapia.

catalina cid is the paternal grandmother of diego carrillo. diego married francisca orozco.

here's a marriage dispensation for thomas de avila and felipa carrillo (of diego's daughters)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18379-10363-45?cc=1874591&wc…

Catalina cid...............Maria cid.1st degree
Pedro Carrillo.............Fabian davila...2nd degree
Diego Carrillo.............Thomas davila....3rd degree
Felipa Carrillo.....4th degree

edit:note: Powell mistakes pedro carrillo davila jr for pedro alonzo davila.

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.
Katy can you take another look at this record? It looks like Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna.
what do you think?
is this the correct translation?.
Ordenes from la Sagrada Mitra 1615-1699
dated 17 April 1681 in Guadalajara
witness Antonio de Condomasea Espanol from this city age 70 more or less
who said he has known Lorenso Carrillo Davila for 8 years more or less
Lorenso Carrillo Davila clerico de menor ordenes from real de Fresnillo no age given
parents: el Capitan Bernardo Carrillo living and Juana Mercado deceased from Jerez
paternal grandparents: Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna both deceased
mat grn: Juana Mercado who was expuesta at the home of Capitan Sebastian Mercado who raised her.
note? record mentions Lorenso Carrillo de Abila el moso?
source: 168680 Ordenes
page 7 Familysearch online
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-38162-17?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18376-20186-28?cc=1874591&wc…
Linda in Olympia

Acabé de completar mi linea de la familia Rubalcava de Cuquío.

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Hola compañeros de nuestros ranchos, hoy terminé de unir mi linea de la familia Rubalcava establecida en Cuquío y Yahualica gracias al trabajo desinteresado de Claudia Casillas, con la indexació

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Francisco Gonzales de Rubalcava had a son Nicolas. He married Petrona Ruis de Luna. See "México, matrimonios, 1570-1950," index, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JC69-SQR : accessed 11 Oct 2013), Francisco Gonzales De Robalcaba in entry for Nicolas De Robalcaba and Petrona De Luna, 06 Feb 1712.

In my tree, Petrona's sister Juana Ruis de Luna married Nicolas' cousin, his name was also Nicolas Gonzales de Rubalcava. His line is in my family tree. His parents were Juan Gonzales de Rubalcava and Catalina de Sena Herrera. See "México, matrimonios, 1570-1950," index, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHPY-89X : accessed 11 Sep 2013), Nicolas De Robalcaba and Juana Ruis De Luna, 28 Mar 1713.

This was so confusing at first, but it's all confirmed.

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Several list members have suggested that Diego González de la Vega and his
wife María Rubio (parents of Francisco Gutierrez de Rubio born ca. 1551, "el
Viejo") came from Spain - Diego having been born in Huelva (ca. 1523) and
María possibly in Llerena/Badajoz (ca. 1525). I am curious where this idea
comes from. Are there written sources which confirm, or at least point to,
these dates and places for this couple?

Has anyone found them on PARES? Is there a source which confirms the
birthplace of Francisco as Nueva España?

Certainly this was an important line of early Spaniards in Los Altos, as
Francisco is the patriarch of such lines as Gonzales-Rubio, Gutierrez-Rubio,
etc. I would like to know where to search for more specific information and
would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you in advance.

Varios miembros de la lista sugirieron que don Diego González de la Vega y
doña María Rubio, su esposa (los padres de don Francisco Gutierrez de Rubio)
hayan venido de España. Se supone que el naciera en Huelva (ca. 1523) y que
ella naciera en Llerena/Badajoz (ca. 1525). Quisiera saber de dónde vienen
estas sugerencias. ¿Es que hay documentos escritos que comprueben estos
datos o, por lo menos, los atribuyan a ciertos documentos?

¿Alguien los ha encontrado en PARES? Acaso hay documento que compruebe que
don Francisco Gutierrez haya nacido en Nueva España?

Por seguro ésta fue una importante línea de los primeros españoles de Los
Altos; don Francisco fue el patriarca de las líneas González-Rubio,
Gutierrez-Rubio, etc. Quisiera saber dónde buscar más información que sea
más específica sobre el asunto y estaré agradecida por sus sugerencias. De
antemano, gracias por su ayuda.

Susan Cadena

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Susan,

Yo tengo años buscando una respuesta a tu pregunta, pero nunca he encontrado fuentes primarias sobre el origen de los Gutierrez en Los Altos. Ojala que alguien en este foro tenga una respuesta. En la nueva edicion de Retoños menciona que ellos provienen de Huelva, España pero no da fuentes.
Sergio Gutierrez

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Hi Sergio,

thanks for your message. I keep hoping someone can name a source, but it seems we are all just going on assumptions at this point. However, I will ask my questions again sometime, because I know the list membership changes and also new documents are being discovered and digitalized all the time.

Susan

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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:54 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Susan,

Yo tengo años buscando una respuesta a tu pregunta, pero nunca he encontrado fuentes primarias sobre el origen de los Gutierrez en Los Altos. Ojala que alguien en este foro tenga una respuesta. En la nueva edicion de Retoños menciona que ello provienen de Huelva pero no da fuentes.
Sergio Gutierrez

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Hola Jorge Luis,
Me alegra mucho que hayas hecho nuevos descubrimientos en guadalajaradispensas.com
Les invito por favor, que cada vez que encuentren algo nuevo, me dejen un recado en la pagina del blog que les fue util.

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Hello Jorge Luis,
I am grald to know that you have made new discoveries at guadalajaradispensas.com.
I invite those who have broken through brick walls to please leave some feedback on theblog's page that was helpful to you.

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

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Estimada Claudia,

También quisiera agradecer. Encontré una dispensa de Rafael González de Santa Cruz y Josefa Fernández de Villalpando y Méndez Hidalgo, hermana mi octava bisabuela Gertrudis Fernández de Villalpando.

Sé el trabajo y paciencia y dedicación que toma un proyecto de este nivel.

Cordialmente,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Looking for Cordero/Flores from Tlajomulco, Jalisco Mexico.

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Welcome to the group. I have seen many surname changes. Not counting
children using a mother or grandparents name, I usually see it more on my
mulato or indigenous relatives.

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My Cordero/Flores are indigenous on my grandmother's maternal side. We have no information on my grandmother's father as she was an "hija natural". My ggrandmother was Ramona Cordero Gomez(Flores), daughter of Yldefonso Cordero Torres & Ancela Gomez Gonzalez. My grandmother was taken from her family around 1910 at the tender age of 6 & though she returned to Tlajomulco twice as an adult she never found her mother nor brother, Manuel Flores, who was born about 1907. So, you are familiar with the practice of people just changing their surnames?

Images for Aguascalientes

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For those that have had difficulty viewing images, this is the latest response from familysearch.org
We understand that even when changing to Firefox you have not been able to see all the films you ar

FW: The Visigoth Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup I) - Part I

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From: Angel R.

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Aguascalientes Records Not Available

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Does anybody know why several books of records in Aguascalientes says Image
Not Available, like this one.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-89779-65?cc=1502404&…

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Chris

For the film I was looking at, matrimonial investigations 1733/34, the image number changed by 1. This is not a lot, but it is inconvenient.

When the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations were reposted last year numerous changes were made, so the image numbers on my earlier indexes are way off, unfortunately. The indexes still have value, but you would need to recalibrate the image numbers, so they are not convenient to use.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

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Hi George,

I noticed the same thing the other day when I was notating something on my tree and I thought it was just me until it happened a few times. Now it makes sense. Thanks George.

Chris

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Danny

I noticed this earlier today (they were all there yesterday evening); records from some other Mexican areas are also not available. Hopefully, they will be back tomorrow, or shortly thereafter.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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I have an open problem ticket with familysearch regarding this issue.

They say that the problem has to do with our browsers. They told me I would be able to view the images if I used Firefox. While it was true of a few of the films, overall I still could not access most of the records.

That was this morning. It looks as thought they have been working the problem because many of the records (not all) have come back on line.

If anyone is experiencing this problem, I suggest you contact familysearch.org Click on "Get Help" top right hand corner, then "Send Message". This will bring it to their attention and my experience has been good when communicating with them.

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I have been making an index of the Matrimonial Investigations for 1733/34, and now that the images are back on line, I have noted that the image numbers I recorded a few days ago have changed.

I do not know if the web links have also changed as I do not record these.

George Fulton

De Leon (oldest familias from Puebla

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Familias DE LEON del Sagrario Metropolitano de Puebla, bautizos 1545 1608 ( familysearch.org)
(* el numero de image corresponde al numero del microfilm del libro)

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Baltazar de Leon & Ysabel Diaz Hijos
Mariana de león Diaz (Dec 9 1601, Puebla image 360)
Juan de León Diaz (Jul 12 1603. Puebla, Image 402)
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Joseph de Leon Coronado & Catalina de Peralta hijos
Diego de Leon Peralta ( Sep 6 1603, Puebla, image 405)
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Juan de Leon & Ana de las Viruelas hija
Ursula de Leon de las Viruelas ( Jul 8 1605, Puebla, image 451)
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Luis de Leon & Juana de Batodano hijo
Luis de Leon (Jul 25 1608, Puebla, image 518)

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How do these families relate to the de Leon from Monterrey?
On Jul 7, 2015 1:28 PM, wrote:

> Baltazar de Leon & Ysabel Diaz Hijos Mariana de león Diaz (Dec 9 1601,
> Puebla image 360) Juan de León Diaz (Jul 12 1603. Puebla, Image 402)
> ------------------------------------------------------ Joseph de Leon
> Coronado & Catalina de Peralta hijos Diego de Leon Peralta ( Sep 6 1603,
> Puebla, image 405)
> ------------------------------------------------------------- Juan de Leon
> &
> Ana de las Viruelas hija Ursula de Leon de las Viruelas ( Jul 8 1605,
> Puebla,
> image 451) ------------------------------------------------- Luis de Leon &
> Juana de Batodano hijo Luis de Leon (Jul 25 1608, Puebla, image 518)
>

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The Leon de Leal or Leal de Leon family that I am researching is the one one in the Arandas/Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) area. I had been looking to see if they had a connection to the Leon family in Monterey and New Mexico. I am interested in learning more about this Leon family in Puebla and where their descendants ended up.

Thanks

R A Ricci

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hi, sorry i can help further with this de Leon family name, because it´s not the focus of my search, i was trying to track other names in Puebla and i was curious about the de Leon´s name.
in my search i have some of the de Leon´s family´s name from Colotlan, Jalisco and i can provide it if i would be asked.
thank you

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R. A. Ricci

Colotlan is in North Jalisco & Los Altos ee Jalisco are i the mittle of this State.

I found 2 new marriage files from Guadalajara, maybe it´s interesting for you

Juan de Leon & Maria Gonzalez hijo
Juan de Leon Gonzalez (oo May 5 1698, Guadalajara, image223) & Maria de Aceves Ortiz (hija de Alonso & Maria) (*Juan de Leon Gonzalez fue oficial platero)
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Diego de Leon (oo 1º) & Michaela Gomez
Diego de Leon (2º oo Nov 29 1702, Guadalajara, image269)& Juana Theresa Serrano Rodriguez (hija de Felipe & Ana) (* Diego de Leon fue oficial sastre)
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I have a lot of info on that Family since I'm a straight Descendant of Alonso De Leon Founder of Cadereyta Jimenez Nuevo Leon, The last name Leal and De Leon from Nuevo Leon is the same Family let me now if You are interested in some information I also have my tree on Ancestry.com
Let me know If I can help You.

Thanks

Juan J De Leon

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