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After the War of Independence from Spain was over they were no longer allowed to use the caste classifications and they called everyone a ciudadano (citizen). The change took many years to be followed which is why sometimes it isn't seen until around 1826. What you see in the document is an abbreviation of ciudadano.

Armando

I just ran across this resource. Maybe the best yet, in that it provides a lot of examples from actual documents. http://script.byu.edu/spanish/en/welcome.aspx

Steve Compton

I have struggled with the same issue. I can read Spanish but these old documents in elaborate script and stilted language can be difficult. My suggestion is to save the page to your own computer then open it with a program like Windows Live Photo Gallery or the equivalent iMac program. Then you can blow it up and study the letters and words. Also take a look at other entries by the same priest. Sometimes they wrote more clearly in one entry than another. After a while the words start to emerge. The other thing is the language. Check out this resource for a glossary of colonial Spanish terminology: http://www.somosprimos.com/spanishterms/spanishterms.htm
I also use Google's online Spanish-English translator for any words I don't know: http://translate.google.com/?tl=es#es/en/

Good luck,
Steve Compton

Which Record are you asking about?

Barbara Andrews

Jesus Pedroza

I have a Santiago de Pedroza who died before July 1656 and married Juana Bautista de Alva and their children were Marcos de Pedroza, Nicolás de Pedroza, Juan de Pedroza and Leonor de Pedroza. That's all the information I have, I was wondering if they could have been the same or related since there's similarities in the wife's name. If you have any information, I'd appreciate it too. This is where I'm stuck. Thanks!

Have you looked for the Información Matrimonial?

Saludos
Armando

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:34 AM, wrote:

> Francisco De Pedroza married Juana De La Serda on 1745 in Teocaltiche,
> jalisco. His father's name is listed as Santiago De Pedroza but mother's
> name not listed, does anyone have Santigo on on their family tree?
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Esteban,

I have a Santiago De Pedroza married to Juana de Acosta 3 Feb 1695 in
Aguascalientes, and have identified the following children: Apolonia
(b.1696), Maria de San Juan (b.1698), Constanza (b.1700), Ana Maria
(b.1703), Angela de San Juan (b.1705), Vicente Celedonio (b.1708), Gertrudis
(b.1709), Juan Antonio (b.1711), Josepha Francisca (b.1713) and Petra
(b.1716). I have NOT found Francisco de Pedroza.

Santiago De Pedroza was from Santa María de los Lagos, Jal. and Juana de
Acosta from Aguascalientes. They lived and were buried in Aguascalientes.
What additional information do you have on Francisco De Pedroza?

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

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Francisco De Pedroza married Juana De La Serda on 1745 in Teocaltiche,
jalisco. His father's name is listed as Santiago De Pedroza but mother's
name not listed, does anyone have Santigo on on their family tree?
Esteban Pedroza

Hi Christie,
I have three more children for Joseph Aguilera and Anna Maria de Chaves

Christobal Benites 19 Apr 1727
Ma de Jesus 11 Jan 1730
Maria Getrudis 21 Feb 1726

All Baptized in Teocaltiche. I have not found a Marriage for Joseph and Anna Maria yet, but still looking.

Lisa

Hello Christie, your post wasn't sent out by email to the members of NR. Only those that visit the site will see your post. This has been happening intermittently for a while now.

A lot of the Teocaltiche records are missing and it is possible that the records you are looking for are part of the missing volumes. However, you should include all of Jalisco and Zacatecas in your searches in case the records are in another town. You should also look for dispensas of descendants of the people you are looking for.

Armando

Thank you Claudia, for your input on this issue. I very much agree with your perpective. In a truly academic and professional atmosphere, researchers share information with eachother. This I know from my years as a graduate student, (before the age of the internet!) One of the reasons I appreciate nuestros ranchos is precisely because it is a place when i can participate in the exchange of research discoveries. I can get help, and i can help others, just as you pointed out. This work is not pnly about family trees, fascinating as they may be. We all have pieces of the same extraordinary puzzle of the transformation of society in mexico over 500 years. The more we share with eachother, the clearer that picture becomes, and the better we understand the decisions and choices our ancestors made in marriage and migration. There are surely graduate students and academic historians out there who would find this forum a treasuretrove of leads to ethnohistorical sources- likewise guadajaradispensas. I truly appreciate the work you and the other volunteers do!

Regards
Denise Fastrup

wow, that guy was rude. using technology can preserve history.

anyways, i sent an email to you containing the additional indexes i haven't sent to you yet.

Raquel, Thanks for this tip! Its just what i needed to go further on my fathers fathers side.

Regards,
Denise

Cada quien puede decidir cuando dejar de publicar su arbol genealogico,
pero es claro tambien que ningun arbol genealogico es personal.
y como bien dice el dicho "Lo que no se enseña se pudre" ...... y mas
guardado en un baúl.

El 30/01/2013 22:56, martha.gomez.0112@gmail.com escribió:
> Pues que se quede con sus dos baules y sus tres petaquillas ,que nosotros tenemos muchas mas
>
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola! a todos recurro a ustedes recibi este mensaje y estoy en shock no se que pensar menos contestar
> Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 3:36 PM
>
>
> Managers of Juan Gomez Garcia-´Rubio,
> saludos ....quiero hacer saver ....que no mas info...va ha ser aderida a este sitio
> ya que hay personas que por apellidarse gomez ...han adoptado a mi fam..como la suya ...no mas... no mas..me hago entender......
> yo tengo en mi propiedad 2 baules , 3 petaquillas ..de mi fam..
> con actas de fe de bautismos.. matrimonios ..titulos ..titulos de propiedades
> biblias de mi fam..puresa de sangre..etc..etc..y todo eso es personal y privado.
> ..adios... y buena suerte...O.gomez
> I am contacting you about this profile: http://www.geni.com/people/Juan-Gomez-Garcia-%C2%B4Rubio/6000000008...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> gomez

El 30/01/2013 22:56, martha.gomez.0112@gmail.com escribió:
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>
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> Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 3:36 PM
>
>
> Managers of Juan Gomez Garcia-´Rubio,
> saludos ....quiero hacer saver ....que no mas info...va ha ser aderida a este sitio
> ya que hay personas que por apellidarse gomez ...han adoptado a mi fam..como la suya ...no mas... no mas..me hago entender......
> yo tengo en mi propiedad 2 baules , 3 petaquillas ..de mi fam..
> con actas de fe de bautismos.. matrimonios ..titulos ..titulos de propiedades
> biblias de mi fam..puresa de sangre..etc..etc..y todo eso es personal y privado.
> ..adios... y buena suerte...O.gomez
> I am contacting you about this profile: http://www.geni.com/people/Juan-Gomez-Garcia-%C2%B4Rubio/6000000008...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> gomez

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My name is Martha Vargas and if you could be so kind to help me further my
research, I would be most appreciative. Here is my folder link:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/Martha+Vargas

I'm looking for the following marriage records:

Estevan Castorena married to Maria Baltazar Peres in Rincon de Romos,
Aguascalientes around 1820 - 1823.

They came from Letras.

Estanislao Castorena married to Juana Maria Garcia in Rincon de Romos,
Aguascalientes around 1795 - 1797.

Antonio Castorena, married to Maria Luisa Garcia, not sure if it is still in
Rincon de Romos, Asientos or somewhere else around 1765 - 1768.

Any birth records on all of the above ancestors would be great!

Thank you!

Martha

Thanks to Joseph, Armando and everyone who has offered advice. Nuestros Ranchos has been the friendliest, most helpful genealogy group I've found.

I believe there is enough evidence now to say that my g-grandfather Teodoro de Alba was born Nov. 8 or 9, 1858 in Palos-Altos. His parents were Jose Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales. The paternal grandparents were Jose Antonio de Alba and Maria Feliciana Jaime. Maternal Grandparents were Reyes Gonzales and San Juana Guzman. Teodoro's paternal great grandparents were Rafael de Alba and Maria Gertrudis Cuellar; and Ignacio Jaime and Maria Eufracia Gonzales.

Teodoro had two older brothers Jose Miguel de Alba born 7 May 1854 and Francisco de Alba born abt. 1857. Teodoro married Isabel Guerrero on 7 June 1876. Francisco was married to Marta Garcia on 3 Nov 1877.

The useful records I found were from San Juan de los Lagos, Encarn

Thanks to Joseph, Armando and everyone who has offered advice. Nuestros Ranchos has been the friendliest, most helpful genealogy group I've found.

I believe there is enough evidence now to say that my g-grandfather Teodoro de Alba was born Nov. 8 or 9, 1858 in Palos-Altos. His parents were Jose Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales. The paternal grandparents were Jose Antonio de Alba and Maria Feliciana Jaime. Maternal Grandparents were Reyes Gonzales and San Juana Guzman. Teodoro's paternal great grandparents were Rafael de Alba and Maria Gertrudis Cuellar; and Ignacio Jaime and Maria Eufracia Gonzales.

Teodoro had two older brothers Jose Miguel de Alba born 7 May 1854 and Francisco de Alba born abt. 1857. Teodoro married Isabel Guerrero on 7 June 1876. Francisco was married to Marta Garcia on 3 Nov 1877.

The useful records I found were from San Juan de los Lagos, Encarnacion, Ledesma, & Ojuelas. Please let me know if any of this triggers any new insights or ideas, and thanks again.

I also have ancestors that are de Alba through María de Alba Retamosa wife
of Francisco Cervantes Villaseñor and I have also studied the de Alba
family.

If you look at the baptisms of the parents of Inez de Alba you will see
that they are reported to be españoles. This does not match the story of
the mother being Indian. The age of the great grandfather of Mr. Compton
does not match with that of Jose Teodoro de Alba y de Alba.

The mother of Teodoro Alva Terrones has Indian ancestry and the age of
Teodoro Alva Terrones matches that of the great grandfather of Mr. Compton.

Teodoro Alva Terrones is more likely to the great grandfather of Mr.
Compton than Jose Teodoro de Alba y de Alba.

However, I have found a Teodoro Alba González that was 18 years old on 7
Jun 1876 when he married Isabel Guerrero. This means his birth year is
about 1858 which matches the birth year of Mr. Comptons great grandfather.
The maternal surname being González also matches. The mother of Teodoro
Alba González has mestizo ancestors which he could have considered to be
Indian based on their features.

The marriage record is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-54376-60?cc=1874591&wc…

There is a paper trail that shows that Teodoro Alba González was a direct
descendant of Joseph Alonso de Alba who was the first de Alba in Los Altos
born about 1579 and buried/deceased 26 Oct 1641 in Lagos de Moreno.

Since the paper trail is so good Y-DNA testing should be reliable if
another direct descendant of Joseph Alonso de Alba and a cousin of Mr.
Compton were to get Y-DNA tests.

Regards
Armando

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Gomezlucero, Irma
wrote:

> With many stories they can get jumbled through the generations. My
> father's aunt married into the de Alba family from San Juan, so I have done
> a little research. I have a Jose Teodoro de Alba baptized 02 Apr 1854 in
> San Juan whose parents were Gabino & Inez de Alba. Gabino's mother was a
> Gonzales: Ma Dolores Gonzales. His father was Ramon de Alba, so there
> still may be some truth to the story. In my research as I told Steve, some
> stories turn out to be true, and some not so true. :)
> Irma Gomez Gtz
> N. California
>
>
>
>

Thanks to everyone for you comments, tips and leads. I look forward to following up on them as I get time. I've done a lot of genealogy research on other branches of my family and have realize the need to separate good stories from fact. Even uncovered a few deeply guarded secrets along the way. I've always assumed that digging into Teodoro's past would be difficult, since we have so little information to go on. He had four children that survived him. One was my grandmother Birdie, but she was the youngest and was raised by her maternal grandmother, so didn't know her Dad very well. Her generation has all passed. There is only one grandchild left who knew him well. I plan to spend some time interviewing her in April, so may find out more then.

I've also assumed that the Mayan mother, Spanish stowaway father may have been a good story with little to back it up.

I've posted Teodoro's family portrait and certificate of citizenship in an album. The other details I have are that in his naturalization documents he claimed to be born on Nov. 9, 1856 and to have crossed the border near Laredo, Tx in July 1876. His obituary says he was born in Guadalajara, but his living granddaughter says it was San Jaun de los Lagos.

HelloIrma, I hopeyouhad a
wonderfulNewYearcelebrationandthisyearbringmuchjoyandsuccess. Irma, a
questionforyou, are therewebsiteswe can accesstogethistoryor 'cuentos'
aboutourancestors. I luckedoutanddidfindsomehistoryonthe Gutierrez
Mendozafamiliesbutnotmuch. I wouldappreciateifyouwouldsharethatinfowith me.
Have a greatday. GodBless.

Ann M. Gutierrez

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Withmanystoriesthey can getjumbledthroughthegenerations. Myfather's
auntmarriedintothe de Alba familyfrom San Juan, so I have done a
littleresearch. I have a JoseTeodoro de Alba baptized 02 Apr 1854 in San Juan
whoseparentswereGabino & Inez de Alba. Gabino's motherwas a Gonzales: Ma
Dolores Gonzales. HisfatherwasRamon de Alba, so therestillmay be
sometruthtothestory. Inmyresearch as I toldSteve, somestoriesturnoutto be true,
andsomenot so true. :)
IrmaGomezGtz
N. California

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:36:57 -0500
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alba family
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Notthesameyearormother's surnamebutsame date andmonthin San Juan:

name: JoseTeodoro Alba Alba
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1854
baptism/christeningplace: SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
father's name: Gabino Alba
mother's name: Ynes Alba
indexingproject (batch) number: C60340-2
systemorigin: Mexico-ODM
sourcefilmnumber: 220661
referencenumber:
CitingthisRecord
"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9Y9-LPX : accessed 14 Jan 2013),
JoseTeodoro Alba Alba, 02 Apr 1854; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS
LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220661.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] OnBehalfOfSteveCompton
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:41 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alba family
>
> I'm tryingtofind more informationaboutthefamilyofmygreat
grandfather. Hisname
> wasTeodoro Alba. Mostoftheinformationwehaveabouthisorigins come
fromstories
> passeddownfromhimtohischildren, so theyshould be regarded as more
legendthan
> fact. Thisincludesthat he wasborninornearGuadalajaraaround 1856 or
1857. His
> father, whosesurnamewas Alba, hadstowedawayon a shipfromSpainto
Mexico. His
> mother's surnamewasGonzalesandshewasofMayandescent. He hadseveral
siblings,
> butwe don't knowtheirnames. Atsomepointthefatherleftandreturned
toSpain.
> TeodorojoinedtheMexicanarmywhilestill a teenager, desertedand
crossedinto Texas
> sometimebetween 1875 and 1880. There he becameanaccomplishedcowboy. He
> graduallyadaptedtheAmericanspellingofAlby.
>
>
>
> He marriedMaryEllenMarksinBonham, Texas onOctober 8, 1891. Theyhad
7 children,
> 4 ofwhomlived. HiswifeMaryEllendiedshortlyafter 1910.
> Around 1920, he andhischildrensettledinBixby, Oklahomawherethey
cametoown
> severalbusinesses. He wasaffectionatelyknowntoeveryoneinthissmall
town as "Dad"
> Alby. Hiscitizenshippaperin 1938 describes him as 81 yearsofage; a
whitemaleof
> mediumcomplexion; blueeyes; greyhair; fivefeet, threeinchesinheight
andwidowed.
> He diedinBixbyonDecember 18, 1943.
>
>
>
> Someinthefamilybelievewasactuallybornin San Juan de los Lagos. I
havefound a
> birthrecordfor a TeodoroAlva Terrones bornonApril 2, 1857 inthat
location.
>
>
>
> Anyleadswould be appreciated.
>
>
>
> scompton

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:05:52 -0600
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alba family
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TeodoroAlva Terrones doesn't lineupwithyourgreatgrandfathersaying
thathismother's surnamewasGonz?lez. Whatdoeslineupisthatthe
motherofTeodoroAlva Terrones has relativeswhosebaptismsshowthemto
be indios. Thereweren't any Mayas inJaliscobutyourgreatgrandfather
likelymeantMexicanIndians.

TeodoroAlva Terrones wasthegreatgrandsonof Juan Jos? de Alba and
Antonia Gertrudis de Esparza y Fuentes. Juan Jos? de Alba wasan hijo
natural of Clara de Alba. Thereforethe paternal surnameof Juan Jos? de
Alba isnotknown.

JoseTeodoro Alba Alba baptized 2 Apr 1854 doesn't lineupwithanyofthe
maternal surnamesbeingGonz?leznordoesitlineupwiththemotherbeing
Indiannordoesitlineupwiththeageofyourgreatgrandfather. Allfour
ofthegrandparentsofJoseTeodoro Alba weredocumented as espa?oles
meaningJoseTeodoro Alba Alba theydidn't haverecentancestorsthatwere
indios.

No matterwhat, ifyou don't havethefirstandlastnameofbothofthe
parentsofyourgreatgrandfatherthereis no waytoknowforsurewhohis
parentswere. There are manybaptismsthat are missingfromtherecords.
Youcouldask a relativethatdescendsthroughthe paternal linetoget a
37 marker Y-DNAtest. Thetwoofyoucouldalsoget a FamilyFindertest.
However, there are no guaranteesthatyouwouldfindanythingdefinitive.
Forthoseteststoworktoyouradvantageotherpeoplewithdocumented
treeswouldhavehadtohavetakenthetests. However, itdoesseemto be
oneofthefewoptionsthatyouhavelefttotry.

Regards,
Armando

OnSun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, SteveCompton wrote:

> I'm tryingtofind more informationaboutthefamilyofmygreat
> grandfather. HisnamewasTeodoro Alba. Mostoftheinformationwehave
> abouthisorigins come fromstoriespasseddownfromhimtohischildren,
> so
> theyshould be regarded as more legendthanfact. Thisincludesthat he was
> borninornearGuadalajaraaround 1856 or 1857. Hisfather, whosesurname
> was Alba, hadstowedawayon a shipfromSpaintoMexico. Hismother's
> surnamewasGonzalesandshewasofMayandescent. He hadseveralsiblings,
> butwe don't knowtheirnames. Atsomepointthefatherleftandreturned
> to
> Spain. TeodorojoinedtheMexicanarmywhilestill a teenager, desertedand
> crossedinto Texas sometimebetween 1875 and 1880. There he becamean
> accomplishedcowboy. He graduallyadaptedtheAmericanspellingofAlby.
>
>
>
> He marriedMaryEllenMarksinBonham, Texas onOctober 8, 1891. Theyhad 7
> children, 4 ofwhomlived. HiswifeMaryEllendiedshortlyafter 1910.
> Around 1920, he andhischildrensettledinBixby, Oklahomawheretheycame
> toownseveralbusinesses. He wasaffectionatelyknowntoeveryoneinthis
> smalltown as "Dad" Alby. Hiscitizenshippaperin 1938 describes him as 81
> yearsofage; a whitemaleofmediumcomplexion; blueeyes; greyhair; five
> feet, threeinchesinheightandwidowed. He diedinBixbyonDecember 18,
> 1943.
>
>
>
> Someinthefamilybelievewasactuallybornin San Juan de los Lagos. I
> havefound a birthrecordfor a TeodoroAlva Terrones bornonApril 2, 1857
> inthatlocation.
>
>
>
> Anyleadswould be appreciated.
>
>
>
> scompton
>
>
>

T.A. Romero

Hello,
I have never seen an email message from J. Inclan like this before and am wondering if it is Spam. The heading is not like something he would send out nor the empty message with just a link.

for anyone interested in helping the owner of guadalajara dispensations out with indexing. here's a list of collections from the Diócesis de Guadalajara (from the years 1600-1766, if I include years after 1766 in this post, this list will be too long) that haven't been indexed yet. this doesn't include collections i'm currently working on indexing. if i'm missing any collections here, please tell me

Matrimonios 1638-1699
Matrimonios 1690-1709
Matrimonios 1699-1707
Matrimonios 1720-1723
Matrimonios 1723-1724
Matrimonios 1724-1725
Matrimonios 1725-1726
Matrimonios 1727-1729
Matrimonios 1728
Matrimonios 1729
Matrimonios 1729-1731
Matrimonios 1729-1733
Matrimonios 1730
Matrimonios 1731-1732
Matrimonios 1758 (barely started on this one, so i'll leave it here for the time being)
Matrimonios 1760-1766
Matrimonios 1762-1764
Matrimonios 1764-1765

Hola Claudia:

Estoy sumamente agradecido de que tengas la molestia de subir estos índices para todos nosotros. Ayer estuve checando y encontré dos dispensas que me ayudaron mucho, la de Justo Julián Barbosa y la de Gregorio Barbosa, con las que pude avanzar dos generaciones más en mi línea de Ruelas.

¿Cada cuánto tiempo estás actualizando los índices? Si sabes algo de la dispensa del matrimonio entre Antonio Vergara Espinoza y Lauriana Lepe Espinoza, casados el 9 de Junio de 1757 en Cocula te lo agradecería mucho.

Saludos.

Muchas Gracias Claudia por ese trabajo. No es nada fácil buscar en los libros como están, con ese indice será mucho mejor.

Tengo una pregunta. Hay algo que deje saber dónde se encuentran las dispensas de Nuevo León en Guadalajara o se encuentran todas mezcladas junto con las de Jalisco, etc.

Estoy buscando desde hace tiempo la dispensa matrimonial de Juan Francisco Chávez Treviño y María Cecilia Caballero que se casaron en el Guajuco el 21 de abril de 1799 pero debieron pedir dispensas de consanguinidad y tenía la esperanza de encontrarla en Guadalajara. Te agradezco cualquier dato sobre ese tema. Y gracias de Nuevo por tu trabajo. Ya fui al blog, resulta muy práctico. Buena suerte.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

Claudia,

Thank you so much for these dispensations. It is people like yourself, with no thought of monetary gain, that will help group members, especially since the indexes in Family Search have gone missing, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:14:07 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guadalajara Marriage Dispensations / Dispensas Matrimoniales en Guadalajara
>
> Hello fellow members. Due to a system crash, I had the misfortune of losing about a dozen lists of extracted names of Guadalajara Dispensas similar to what I posted here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19680
>
> After getting over the shock and loss, this weekend I decided to start keeping my notes online via a blog. I think it will be useful to most researchers because the blog also has a custom search bar to make it easier for you to search names or pueblos. I am happy to share with you all here:
>
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com
>
> I have uploaded 10 files so far, and hope to regularly update the blog as time permits. In the meantime, if you have comments, I would appreciate it if you would PRIVATE MESSAGE me, and I will do my best to respond.
>
> I truly hope this is of some help to fellow members here and please do let me know how you think I can improve the site.
>
> Saludos,
> -C
>

Mazo, I'm assuming you are looking at the records found here:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…

It doesn't help much to search by name if you're not using the index. Click on the county you want and scroll to the end of the list. Find the index for the year you want. Find the month and year of death, locate the name, and note the number assigned to the name. That is the number on the death certificate.

Death certificates are in order by year and certificate number.

Hope this helps

Raul Munoz

Hello Mazo

I don't know what records you are searching through but Ancestry will give you minimal information as far as name and date. In order to get an actual copy you have to contact the LA County Record Bureau directly or order it through Ancestry. LA does not make these records available to the public like Arizona and some states do for free. These records bring in revenue for the County. In order to send for the copy you do need the name and date of death. There is a fee but its not much if you contact the records bureau directly.

Hope this helps,
Barbara

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On Oct 13, 2012, at 2:20 PM, ochoafam4@rocketmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I was looking for a bit of direction. In search of more family details I am looking through Los Angeles death records. My great grandmother (born in Mexico died in Los Angeles ca) but cannot seem to locate her death record. I found the date but am looking for the image...however it seems the filed date, date of death, and record dates all differ. Does anyone know whether I should be looking by date of death?? last name?? filed date? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED, THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
> Mazo

I found no images of the actual death record in California.. you can order one or go to the records hall to view an original. They do charge for a copy of  notarized record.
Linda in B.C.

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Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] death records

Hello All,

I was looking for a bit of direction. In search of more family details I am looking through Los Angeles death records. My great grandmother (born in Mexico died in Los Angeles ca) but cannot seem to locate her death record. I found the date but am looking for the image...however it seems the filed date, date of death, and record dates all differ. Does anyone know whether I should be looking by date of death?? last name?? filed date? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED, THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Mazo