Nuestros Ranchos Site

Well I don't want to burden any one person but how about your particular
areas of research. . .aren't you doing Mazapil and Sombrerete?

I was hoping that if just a few of you all would do maybe just one
slowly that "File" in Ranchos2 would start to fill in.

thanks,

Jonathan

ps: and thanks for the kind offer to the group.


mexicanfhr wrote:

Joseph,

Which batch numbers are you wanting?

Also, if anyone needs a lookup at the Family History Library, in Salt
Lake, I usually am there once or twice a month.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Alice,



I discussed genes with another genealogy group (Pureto Rican) earlier today. I am simply copying it and forwarding it to you and the group. It is self-explanatory. Phenotype (what it looks like) and genotype (what the genes are) are two different things.



Respectfully,



Ed Serros









Ron and Ivonne,



As advertised, the mtDNA test is DNA check on your mother’s mother’s mother’s....mother’s ancestry. Recently, even the most “European” (read white) of South American countries, Argentina, has shown that approximately 90% of mtDNA is Indian. The paternal, Y-DNA, is largely European. The inference is clear. The male Europeans came and the Native American Indian females bore. Yes, there are a lot of reasons for this: conquest, infectious disease, food, social issue, etc.



Your mtDNA may be Indian (four major types in all the Americas) and may not necessarily answer the questions you may have. I believe that there are on-going studies in Puerto Rico

Joseph,

Which batch numbers are you wanting? 

Also, if anyone needs a lookup at the Family History Library, in Salt
Lake, I usually am there once or twice a month.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted. Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.

I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.

We are just good people!

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazza wrote:

> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza. In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton

If anyone would care to submit or send me the batch numbers for your
particular research area I think it would help fill out those that are
currently in the file area of Ranchos2.

Any volunteers? If just one or two of you would come forward that would
be better than none.

thanks,

joseph

ps: If anyone is getting overwhelmed by the recent increase in messages
from the group I just wanted to say that putting your subscription into
the Digest mode is an option. That way instead of getting each
individual email in real time you would get one large email with all of
that days discussion included. The latter makes it easier to keep things
together, but you'll be about a day behind in the conversation. Just an
option

pps: Does anyone here ever get to UC Berkeley for their research? If so
can you contact me off list. . .makas@... thanks

Rosalinda,

I found two more children of Antonio de Real (son of Juan Martin)  
which are not listed in the email you sent me.  Are you aware of them?

Well, here they are.  Thanks for all your help.

THOMAS ANASTACIO REAL RODRIGUES  
Event(s): 
 Birth:  
 Christening:  28 DEC 1752   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
 Death:  
 Burial:  
Parents: 
  Father:  ANTONIO DEL REAL  Family 
  Mother:  RUPHINA RODRIGUES     
Messages: 
 Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the 
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by 
the birth or christening date.  
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  
Type:  
 C602862  1744 - 1755  0443672   Film  NONE  
--------------------------------------------------
MARIA EUFEMIA REAL RODRIGUES  
Event(s): 
 Birth:  
 Christening:  27 APR 1755   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
 Death:  
 Burial:  
Parents: 
  Father:  ANTONIO DEL REAL  Family 
  Mother:

Rosalinda,

Thank you so much for your information about Juan Martin Suares del 
Real.  

The data I have about Pedro José Suares del Real (possible gradson of 
Juan Martin)is derived only from the marriage record of José Diego 
Cayetano (my 3rd great grandfather).  

This is so interesting!  Are those records on your email contained in 
the FamilySearch databases?

I'm going to take a real close look at each record and then I'll get 
back to you.

Thanks again!

Victor

If possible can we start changing the subject to properly reflect the
content of the messages? Just an idea that will be helpful in the future
when we try to do an archive search.

thanks,

joseph

ps: and no Rosalinda I wasn't only talking to you. . .   )

Descendants of Juan Martin /Suares del Real/

1    [2] Juan Martin /Suares del Real/ b: in Reinos de Castilla

..   +Lorensa Madera

.... 2 Antonio /del Real/

........+Juana Rufina Rodriguez aka: Rufina b: 1723 Baptism: 28 Apr 1723

     Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico m: 15 May 1740

     in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

..........  3    Maria Guadalupe /del Real/ b: 1742  Baptism: 05 Aug

            1742 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

..........  3    Juana /del Real/ b: 1746  Baptism: 13 Jun 1746 San

            Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

..........  3    Pedro Joseph /del Real/ b: 1748 Baptism: 14

go to: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm [also
found in the links area] and under "Llanetas" it says that its a
Hacienda close to "Valparaiso partido del Fresnillo"

go and check it out there are a lot of entries for San Jose and others
but i didn't see Llnetes specifically. Also I did see a San Miguel del
Puerto but it in Oaxaca.

have a look,

joseph



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "javier_m_barrios"
 wrote:
> 
> Looking for San Jose de Llanetes information.  I know that they were 
> owned my the Miranda family.  There was also San Miguel de Los 
> Puertos.  These are 2 haciendas owned my the Miranda family that my 
> family comes from...  Some of the names in my lineage are Ybarra, 
> Barrios, Martinez, Magallanes, Rivera, Hernandez, Pinzon.  Any help 
> would be appreciated...

Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted.  Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.

I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.

We are just good people!

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazza  wrote:

> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza.  In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity
> record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors
> where they are clearly noted as espagnol.  Lastly,
> her son's birth record lists him as espanol.  I
> think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping
> on the job.:)  Marge:) 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MMG8938@... 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent

--- Begin Message ---

Steven,

I guess you saw how I was rambling on and on about music and such and
decided to send this to see if I'd root out the gold. Well I'm sure
there is other Gold in this issue but the URL:
http://www.nuevosvalores.com/index.htm is so so cool. Thanks for
bringing this issue to our attention. Also I see there is a nice:
Afro-Mexican Racial & Ethnic Self-Identity: thesis abstract by Alva

i really don't want genealogies posted to the public message archives.
I'd prefer to keep doing them like we have been doing them and putting
them in private to the group only folders with the persons name and
email address. when you have your files ready email me and we can talk
about the details of how to do this.

joseph

ps: don't send any files with living individuals in them for their
privacy sake.

peggydelgado wrote:

I bought the Family Tree Maker 2005 from Ancestry.com and was
wondering how can I save the information as a file to post it here
on this message board. I have updates and stuff but I'm still doing
some verification of my Aguirre roots in Tlaltenango de Sanchez
Roman.

Yahoo! Groups Links

The reason I asked, is because there is a ranch
outside of Jerez called "El Salto", which some of my
ancestors was lived.

Alberto.
--- Victor Villarreal  wrote:

> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte
>  
> wrote:
> > Where is El Salto?
> > Please let me know.
> > 
> > Alberto.
> >>>
> 
> Hello Alberto,
> 
> My great grandmother, Margarita Pinedo, was from El
> Salto.  
> I've always assumed this "El Salto" is a place
> located a few miles 
> northeast of Colotán, Jalisco, but on the state of
> Zacatecas, near 
> Villanueva.
> 
> The reason why I think my "El Salto" is located in
> Zacatecas and not 
> to be confused with "El Salto, Jalisco", which is
> Southeast of 
> Guadalajara, is because my great Grandfather was
> from Colotlán, which 
> is relatively close.  Makes sense, doesn't it?
> 
> Hope this answers your question.
> Regards!
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"  wrote:
> 
> Hi Victor,
> 
> I've been reading this thread and I got a little excited when I saw 
> the name Rosalía Castañeda.  I have one in my family tree.  Her
> name is Juana Rosalía Castañeda, born 26 Apr 1740 in Teul de
> González Ortega, Zacatecaz.  She was the sister of my 5th great-
> grandfather Pedro Castañeda.  
> 
> Their parents seemed to have moved around the state of Zacatecaz a 
> lot because the last three children were born in different ranchos.  
> The last child, Josseph Antonio was born in Tlaltenango.  My
> Rosalía may not be the same as yours, but they might be related.
> 
> Maria Cortez

Thanks María,

As you know, this takes quite a lot of detective work.  Sometimes we have the obvious right in front of us and we don't see it, and sometimes everything seems to fall into place naturally.

Querying the FamilySearch databases is kind of tricky because of all the spelling errors or variants

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal"  
wrote:
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> > 
> > Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be 
one 
> > of these two:
> > 
> > JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
> > Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > 
> > JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
> > Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > 
> > I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:
> > 
> > MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
> > Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico 
> > 
> > The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
> > realize sometimes people did get married that young...
> > 
> > I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.
> > 
> > - Angie
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Wow!  How could I overlook the