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Tracing beyond Mexico to Spain

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Hi!

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Published by LucySweeney – Sat, 2017-11-25 17:32 | Permalink

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Sherri,
My people lived in the Los Altos region of Jalisco. I was able to move several lines back to Spain. A NR member recommended Retoños, the series of books by Mariano Gonzales-Leal. Check WorldCat to see the list of libraries with the set. My grandfather was in the books. His line went back to 1475 in Spain.
Good luck! Lucy

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Have you check pares data base.

On Nov 25, 2017 4:32 PM, wrote:

Sherri, My people lived in the Los Altos region of Jalisco. I was able to
move several lines back to Spain. A NR member recommended Retoños, the
series of books by Mariano Gonzales-Leal. Check WorldCat to see the list of
libraries with the set. My grandfather was in the books. His line went back
to 1475 in Spain. Good luck! Lucy

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Thanks, Lucy. Ill check it out. I saw that there are 9 volumes. Is it easy to find names? Are names indexed?

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Hi Sherri,
The first volume gives an overview of regions, last names covered in the rest of the volumes and some other important info. It’s sort of an index with supplemental info. Good luck. Maven

Mg. Nicolas Rodriguez de Frias y Antonia de Hijar y Mesa

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I am hoping someone can assist me in locating the mg record of this couple
who married on 3 Jan 1655 in Mexticacan. The record should be on or about
image 80 in roll #226724, Nochistlan mat.

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help reading document

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I have a document showing my 6th great grandmother and grandfather's marriage. I do not speak or read spanish.

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Published by 245luigi – Tue, 2017-11-28 19:25 | Permalink

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This is the pre marriage document for Joseph Domingo Diaz to wed Maria Francisca Josefa Gonzalez dated August 1st 1767

Joseph Domingo Diaz was spanish, originally from the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes and currently living in Teocaltiche, legitimate son of Santiago Diaz and Juana de Villalobos. Juana was dead in 1767. Joseph Domingo Diaz was 40 years old in 1767 and was not previously married.

Maria Francisca Josefa Gonzalez was spanish, originally from and living in Aguascalientes, natural daughter of Maria Antonia Gonzalez. Maria Francisca Josefa was 14 years old in 1767 (not a typo!)

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The reason you are not finding much on the parents is probably because not all of the Teocaltiche records are indexed. I say Teocaltiche because it looks like Santiago and Juana had a daughter born there in 1713.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/294041?availability=Family%…

Only ones with a magnifying glass are text searchable. Also the marriage records from the expected marriage period look like they are missing in Teocaltiche. You may find other baptised children in the unindexed records.

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The record also mentions "Estancia de Villalobos ". So try to research the Villalobos family that owned this Estancia. Another clue may be found in a document after this one that has Diego Villalobos as a witness.

Rick A. Ricci

Ascendencia de Gaspar Martin Barragan

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Saludos Primos y Primas,

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Published by Peredo – Sat, 2017-08-05 20:38 | Permalink

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Hola Daniel

Years ago I did some research about the Barragan lastname and here are some of the notes I have :

Por 1539 llega a Nva España Juan Barragán originario de LLerena y se establece primero en Puebla, aunque también se el encontró en Michoacán y en la Nueva Galicia en años posteriores; tuvo los siguientes hijos :
Pedro Martín, Diego Martín y Juan Martín, el cual se avecindó en Zamora, Michoacán y casó por 1585 con Ana de Robledo de Ávalos.

Un hijo de este primer Juan Martín Barragán tambien se llamó así Juan Martín , al cual le llamaré II, este casó con Úrsula de la Huerta en Zamora, Mich. el 6-feb-1621

Otro hijo de Juan Martín I ,llamado Pedro Martín Barragán casó en Zamora, Mich por 1610 con Beatríz Arias de Bedoya ainque su boda aparece en el libro parroquial con fecha del 6-sep-1622 pero al parecer desde ca 1610 vivían juntos, ya que en el censo de 1622 ya aparecen con un hijo llamado Baltazar de 10 años de edad.

Otros hijos fueron : Pedro b. 3-may-1625; Margarita b 1628; Juan Martín III nc1623 , el cual aparece en el censo de 1683.
Mi opinión es que este Juan Martín III es el que casó con Micaela de Balbuena y fue el padre de Juan Martín Barragán IV el que compró Citala en 1704. Este Juan Martín IVyo lo tengo en mis notas casado con María de la MOr o de la Mota, pero en el libro de capellanías aparece como María de la Parra, estoy pensando que puden ser la misma persona. Este Juan Martín IV también aparece en el censo de 1683 viviendo en casa de su padre y al parecer aún soltero.

El hecho de que este JUan Martín IV haya bautizado a uno de sus hijos con el nombre de Baltazar como se llamó también uno de los hijos de Pedro Miguel Martín Barragán el casado con Beatriz Arias de Bedoya parece confirmar que el Juan Martín III que aparece como viudo en el censo de 1683 es el que esttuvo casado con MIcaela de Balbuena y que ambos fueron los padres de Juan Martín IV nacido por 1655 y casado por 1690 con María de la Mora o de la Parra

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A continuación hago un copy paste de mis notas originales, ojalá sirven como un estímulo para ahondar un poco más sobre ese linaje:

…muy pronto encontré que ya en la edad media española destacaban unos caballeros de ese apellido, es el caso del noveno maestre de la órden Santiago que fue Martín Peláez Barragán en 1218 puesto por Alfonso IX para oponerse al castellanista García González, partidario de Fernando III, recién proclamado rey de Castilla contra la voluntad del leonés. Éste sin embargo, acabaría provocando su dimisión en 1221…(Martín era portero de la cámara de Fernando III) (1)

La información de la edad media y el renacimiento español seguramente contiene más noticias sobre este linaje, pero ese periódo debe ser materia de un trabajo profundo de un especialista, no de un aficionado como es el caso presente.

Habiendo dicho lo anterior, debo decir sin embargo, que no tengo dudas de que de dicho Martín Peláez Barragán descienden los Barraganes Uruapenses por diversos indicios que se irán mostrando.

Uno de los más claros indicios del vínculo del maestre de Santiago del s. XIII y los Barraganes de este estudio es el hecho de que los primeros Barraganes que llegaron a Michoacan, concretamente a la región de Zamora, llevaban por costumbre como primer nombre el de Martín

Así pués, he encontrado que los primeros Barraganes que harían fortuna en el occidente mexicano en diferentes épocas y finalmente en Uruapan, proceden de dos Martínes Barragan que muy probablemente eran hermanos o primos :

Se trata del conquistador Juan Martín Barragán, nativo de Llerena en la provincia de Badajóz en Extremadura, que perteneció a las fuerzas que comandó Francisco Vázquez de Coronado y que aparece en algunos documentos por 1541 y 1545 y que se avecindó primeramente en Puebla de los Ángeles (2)

Al parecer este Juan Martín fue hermano o pariente de Martín Barragán procedente del pueblo de Fresno o Fresnedo ó Freixenal que se embarcó el 16 de noviembre de 1549 junto con varios paisanos con rumbo a la Nueva España (3) y que casó y vivió en Puebla de los Ángeles con Francisca Díaz y allí tuvieron al menos un hijo que se llamó Gregorio Barragán que nació en 1566 (4)

A fines de ese siglo ya aparece un Juan Martín Barragán casado con Ana de Robledo y con dos hijos : Diego Martín y Pedro Martín Barragán por la región de Zamora y Tlazazalca ya que en 1594 Juan Martín Barragán le vende a Juan de Salceda un terreno en Tlazazalca - a la postre estos Salceda formarían un gigantesco latifundio entre Michoacan, Jalisco y Guanajuato- y en 1598 Diego Martín Barragán vende un sitio de estancia de ganado mayor en el cerro de Chiquirinda (unas 1,700 hectáreas) a Pedro de Cueva.

También Pedro Martín Barragán aparece en otra compraventa de tierras cuando en 1599 asociado con Juan Bejines y Miguel del Campo compran una estancia de ganado mayor en Ixtlán a Esteban de Porras (5)

No he podido determinar si éste Juan Martín y el “poblano” son la misma persona y que, habiendo enviudado de Francisca Díaz se volviera a casar y se trasladara al occidente de México, de cualquier manera, se puede deducir que el Juan Martín Barragán “zamorano” casó por 1578 con Ana de Robledo, ya que sus primeros hijos ya mencionados debían ser ya adultos cuando uno vendió el cerro de Chiquirinda y el otro hace sociedad para comprar tierras en Ixtlán. Es de suponerse que Pedro Martín Barragán era el menor de los mencionados ya que al parecer era soltero todavía por 1610 cuando, junto a su mamá , funge como padríno de bautizo de un niño indio en Zamora; Ana ya era viuda desde aproximadamente 1605.
Juan Martín Barragán y Ana de Robledo tuvieron al menos siete hijos que llegaron a la edad adulta: además de Diego Martín, Juan Martín y Pedro Martín, hubo un cuarto hermano: Miguel Martín Barragán, un quinto que se llamó Clemente Martín Barragán y un sexto llamado Alonso Martín Barragán
Además, hubo una hermana que se llamó María Barragán y que casó ahí en Zamora el 22 de Agosto de 1622 con alonso de Escobedo.(6) y posiblemente hubo otra hermana llamada Ana de Robledo ya que aparece junto a Pedro vendiendo unas tierras en el Valenciano a José Gómez Bohorquez en 1659 (debe ser una hija ya que Ana de Robledo la mamá tendría unos 96 años.) (5)

Juan Martín (hijo de Ana de Robledo) y que debió nacer por 1585 el 30 de octubre de 1614 aparece comprando el puesto de regidor de la Villa de Zamora en la cantidad de 510 pesos (cantidad muy importante en esos tiempos ya que era lo que podía costar una buena estancia de ganado mayor : 1,700 hectáreas).
Es relevante mencionar que la confirmación de dicho cargo le llegó 4 años después, el 14 de febrero de 1618 directamente elaborada en el despacho del rey y por su mandato.(7)

El Lic.Miguel Martín Barragán aparece como testigo en una boda realizada el 11 de Agosto de 1623 entre Juan de Silba y Juana de Bedoia; de igual manera en el censo de 1622 de Zamora aparece que Pedro Martín Barragán ya estaba casado con Beatríz Arias de Bedoya y tenían un hijo de 10 años llamado Baltazar, lo cual permite ubicar la boda de Pedro por 1610
y su nacimiento cerca de 1590. (8)

En la siguiente generación de Barraganes en Zamora encontramos al Lic. Juan Martín Barragán que nació por 1620 y que en el censo de Zamora de 25-abr-1683 aparece como jefe de familia y en cuya casa vivía también un hijo de él, ya casado, que se llamaba Juan Barragán casado con María de la Mota (9)

Ya para esas fechas destacaba en el comercio de la Ciudad de Aguascalientes otro miembro de esta familia: Miguel Martín Barragán, nacido por 1630 y que ya en 1667 aparece mencionado entre los comerciantes conocidos de esa ciudad cuando el declara ser originario de la villa de Zamora, casado y también criador de ganado.
Antes de aparecer en ese listado de comerciantes, ya estaba en Aguascalientes, porque en 1662 aparece comprando ahí una esclava. (que podía costar el equivalente a entre 700 a 1400 hectáreas), de donde podemos también inferir que llegó a Aguascalientes con algún capital de consideración.
1. En Aguascalientes se encuentra el testamento de Miguel Martín Barragán fechado el 20-feb-1708 ante Salvador Delgado Cervantes y consta de 16 hojas

Este Miguel Martín Barragán tenía un hermano ó primo llamado José Barragán que casó en abril de 1666 en Parral, Chihuahua con Doña María de Astorga Robledo y se asienta que él procedía de la Villa de Zamora en Michoacan. (No sería remoto que su esposa fuera también su pariente ya que los apellidos de los primeros zamoranos eran Barragán Robledo)

on april 1666 en Parral, José Barragán español, natural from Zamora in New Spain married Doña María de Astorga Robledo

Miguel Martín Barragán el comerciante y ganadero establecido en Aguascalientes desde mediados de los 1600´s que había tenido una carrera exitosa en el comercio, al final se dedica principalmente a la agricultura y ganadería y a través de compras de tierras logra conformar un gran latifundio que se llamó Hacienda de Cañada Honda (12) y (13)

Cabe mencionar que el Lic. Miguel Barragán que quedó en Zamora aparece en 1639 como cura beneficiado de dicha Villa (14)

Es claro que una buena rama de la familia zamorana permaneció en Michoacan ya que en 1729 encontramos a tres hermanos : Diego, andrés y Martín Barragán que eran propietarios de tierras en La Laguneta (15)

De esa misma familia mencionada desciende sin duda Don Diego Martín Barragán que a finales de los 1700´s junto con su esposa Eduviges Alcazar aparecen por el rumbo de Cotija como propietarios y residentes de la Hacienda de la Laguneta y la mayor parte del territorio norte del “Potrero de Herrera” en la jurisdicción de Tingüindín. (16)

Por esa misma época y cuando- para variar- la Corona española estaba en quiebra y se mandaban hacer colectas “voluntarias” en todo el reino, encontramos listados de “donantes” que se obligaban a contribuir con alguna cantidad al real erario anualmente o en una sóla ocasión y ahí precisamente, en 1799 encontramos entre los donantes a :…… el comandante Coronel Félix Calleja : 100 pesos……Francisco Martín Barragán del pueblo de Tarequato (Jurisdicción de Tingüindín) 1 peso…Don Martín Barragán de la Hacienda de Ayumba 10 pesos y…EN EL PUESTO DE SANTA INÉS SE REPORTAN SEIS DONADORES: DON XAVIER FERNÁNDEZ, VICENTE FERNÁNDEZ ,ANTONIO FERNÁNDEZ, MIGUEL FERNÁNDEZ, MARIANO FERNÁNDEZ …….Y…FRANCISCO BARRAGÁN 4 PESOS(17)

Ya en los registros parroquiales de principios de los 1800´s la región de La Laguneta, Santa Inés, Tingüindín y Tocumbo abunda en Barraganes, así por ejemplo

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Alrededor de 1690 aparece Jose Martin Barragan que a la postre sus descendientes cambiaron su apellido por Martinez de Barragan en la region de Jerez,Zacatecas, y en un documento que encontre en el arzobispado de Guadalajara aprece que es de Zamora, Michoacan, pero no pude determinar quin era su padre ya que hay varios Jose de la misma epoca.

Actualmente hay una rama de Barragan en el rancho san Antonio , de Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas.

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Wow! Thank you for the information Carlos! This is a great boost to my research and other folks who descend from this family.

Many Thanks!

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Diaz from Atepoca

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Hello

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Published by carolineasanders – Mon, 2017-11-27 10:39 | Permalink

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Just curious if your Diaz line extends to Durango. My mothers family is from Presidios/Tepehuanes and I often wonder if I might someday trace back to Zacatecas, where my fathers family is from.

Caroline

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You can check to see if any of the Diaz in your line migrated from Teocaltiche, Jalisco Mexico to Durango.

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When I was researching my Diaz de Leon ancestry from Los Altos de Jalisco I discovered that one of the lines had left Zacatecas and traveled to Durango The line was originally from Aguascalientes. This line that went to Durango branched off and left some descendants there as others moved back to Zacatecas. One of the things that I remember about this line was that I had trouble putting it together until I found a document that explained that five children had been born before the parents legally married. It turned out that I didn’t descend from this line.

RickA Ricci

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I descend from a relative of the Diaz de Leon that went to Durango. My Diaz de Leon family is from Los Altos de Jalisco and the line comes from Zacatecas, and earlier from Aguascalientes. Manny has provided valuable information on the Diaz de Leon lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by rasaenz1980 – Sun, 2017-11-26 10:26 | Permalink

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I found the matrimoni information of their child Domingo but I can not read much spanish. I can only under stand basic words and dates.

Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2017-11-25 08:49 | Permalink

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There are two couples by this name in Theocaltiche in the 1700's. One of them was baptizing their children in the very early 1700's and the other in the mid 1750's. You would have to provide more information in order to know which couple is the one you are researching.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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This is from my tree. I Started at Julian Diaz

First Generation

1. Jose Julian Diaz1–2 was born in 1799 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.1 He was baptized on 21 Feb 1799 in Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.1

Second Generation

2. Panuncio Diaz1 was born (date unknown).

3. Carmela Sedillo1–2 was born (date unknown).

Panuncio Diaz and Carmela Sedillo had the following children:

1 i. Jose Julian Diaz, born 1799, Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. José Victoriano Dias3 was born on 2 Sep 1805.3
iii. Jose Luis Dias Sedillo1,4 was baptized on 28 Aug 1796 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.1

Third Generation

4. Jose Domingo Diaz2,4 was born (date unknown). Francisca Josepha Gonzalez and Jose Domingo Diaz were married on 2 Sep 1767 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.2

5. Francisca Josepha Gonzalez2,4 was born (date unknown).

Jose Domingo Diaz and Francisca Josepha Gonzalez had the following children:

2 i. Panuncio Diaz.
ii. Josef Balentin Dias4 was born on 14 Feb 1775 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México.4 He was baptized on 20 Feb 1775 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México.4
iii. Maria Alvina Dias4 was born on 26 Feb 1777 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México.4 She was baptized on 15 Mar 1777 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México.4
iv. Maria Antonia Guadalupe Diaz4 was baptized 27 Ago 1789 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México.4

6. Antonio Sedillo was born (date unknown).

7. Maria Antonia Torres was born (date unknown).

Antonio Sedillo and Maria Antonia Torres had the following child:

3 i. Carmela Sedillo.

Fourth Generation

8. Santiago Diaz1–2,4 was born (date unknown).

9. Juana De villalobos2,4 was born (date unknown).

Santiago Diaz and Juana De villalobos had the following children:

4 i. Jose Domingo Diaz.
ii. Phelipe Dias Villalobos1 was baptized on 15 Sep 1715 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.1
iii. Lucas de Santiago Diaz4 was baptized on 2 Nov 1720 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México.4
iv. Ysidro Salvador A Diaz2 was born (date unknown).
v. Fabiana Diaz de Villalobos4 was born about 1713.4 She was baptized on 20 Feb 1713 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México.4

11. Maria Antonia Gonzalez was born (date unknown).

Maria Antonia Gonzalez had the following child:

5 i. Francisca Josepha Gonzalez.

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I don't have the ancestry of Santiago Diaz and Juana Villalobos, but I do have a couple of threads that may lead to more information.

I found a Juana Villalobos (Juana Villalobos Tovar) that is a possibility. Here is her record:

Juana Villalobos Tovar
Gender Female
Christening Date 15 Mar 1683
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Hisidro De Villalobos
Mother's Name Franca. Getrudes De Tovar
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBQ9-F8N : 12 December 2014), Juana Villalobos Tovar, 15 Mar 1683; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,422.

Rick A. Ricci

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Here is another thread.

Diego and Santiago are cognates. In the 1600's and 1700's, some families used the names interchangeably for the same person. In other families, the two names were never used interchangeably. This next record should be studied to see if it can provide more information into your research of the earlier Santiago Diaz and Juana de Villalobos.

Diego Dias
Spouse's Name Juana De Villalobos
Event Date 23 May 1751
Event Place Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCD7-XQP : 15 July 2015), Diego Dias and Juana De Villalobos, 23 May 1751; citing Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 639,755.

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Lagos de Morenos and The Tale of Two Brothers

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I recently spoke to my dad’s tia who was born in 1930. She has been a valuable source of family history for me. Several of her stories have been spot on to the date.

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2017-11-24 10:37 | Permalink

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Dear Caroline,

Here is a record that connects part of your ancestral tree to Jalisco:

Diego De Soto Almeida
Spouse's Name Juana De Gaeta
Event Date 24 Nov 1723
Event Place San Luis,Colotlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Franco. De Soto Almeida
Mother's Name Jna. Magdalena De Salasar
Spouse's Father's Name Thomas De Gaeta
Spouse's Mother's Name Ma. De Almeda
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC6V-NGD : 15 July 2015), Franco. De Soto Almeida in entry for Diego De Soto Almeida and Juana De Gaeta, 24 Nov 1723; citing San Luis,Colotlan,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,781.

This record also adds to Magadalena's name as Her name is given as Juana Magdalena de Salazar. This marriage record may also have a marriage dispensation as the spouses both have Almeida in their family tree. A marriage dispensation may provide more information as to their ancestry.

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you Rick. I have these Campos records. I do not know much about the Soto Almeida family, but I know they have a deep history. I have the information for Diego, but no physical record. I will search for the marriage dispensation for more information. Perhaps I will find out more this way. Many thanks for your research.
Caroline

Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2017-11-24 12:59 | Permalink

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Dear Caroiline,

It turns out that there is a Manuel Campos Soto in your family tree.. He was baptized on 5/Jun/1715 and married on 17/Feb/1744. Juan Manuel Campos and Maria Antonia de Luna had at least three sons: Pablo Maria Campos Luna, Joseph Agustin Campos Luna, and Antonio Casimiro Campos Luna. Here are a few of this family's records:

Juan Manuel Campos Soto
Gender Male
Christening Date 05 Jun 1715
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Antonia De Soto
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZ4-97S : 12 December 2014), Juan Manuel Campos Soto, 05 Jun 1715; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,801

Juan Manuel De Campos
Spouse's Name Maria Anttonia De Luna
Event Date 17 Feb 1744
Event Place Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Anttonia De Soto
Spouse's Father's Name Vicente De Luna
Spouse's Mother's Name Felicia Ana De Magallanes
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXT-HRH : 16 July 2015), Juan Manuel De Campos and Maria Anttonia De Luna, 17 Feb 1744; citing Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,968.

Pablo Maria Campos Luna
Gender Male
Christening Date 02 Aug 1751
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Manuel De Campos
Mother's Name Maria Antonia De Luna
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM49-G7C : 12 December 2014), Manuel De Campos in entry for Pablo Maria Campos Luna, 02 Aug 1751; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,804.

Joseph Agustin Campos Luna
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 Jan 1749
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Manl. De Campos
Mother's Name Ma. De Luna
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZ3-7BC : 12 December 2014), Manl. De Campos in entry for Joseph Agustin Campos Luna, 21 Jan 1749; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,804

Antto. Casimirio Campos Luna
Gender Male
Christening Date 16 Mar 1745
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Manl De Campos
Mother's Name Ma. Antta. Luna
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZQ-FHC : 12 December 2014), Manl De Campos in entry for Antto. Casimirio Campos Luna, 16 Mar 1745; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,803.

Happy Thanksgiving weekend,
Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2017-11-24 09:52 | Permalink

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Dear Caroline,

I don't have the answer to your question. I was curious however and was wondering if you descend from this couple?

Juan De Campos
Spouse's Name Anttonia De Soto Almeida
Event Date 22 Jun 1711
Event Place Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Ysabel Fernandes De Lamas
Spouse's Father's Name Francisco De Soto Almeida
Spouse's Mother's Name Magdalena De Salazar
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZNC-NYQ : 16 July 2015), Ysabel Fernandes De Lamas in entry for Juan De Campos and Anttonio De Soto Almeida, 22 Jun 1711; citing Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,968.

Here is the record of a daughter of Juan Campos and Antonia de Soto Almeida
Geronima Campos Soto
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Oct 1712
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Juan De Campos
Mother's Name Antonia De Soto Almeida
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZW-68C : 12 December 2014), Antonia De Soto Almeida in entry for Geronima Campos Soto, 12 Oct 1712; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,801.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Finding Pedro De Torres y Sarmiento

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Hi everyone

Somebody have any details about Pedro De Torres y Sarmiento (c.1685) and his wife Lorenza de Borja y Gaitan(c.1690)?

They had at least tree sons and two daughters

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Published by dserna1 – Sat, 2017-11-25 13:03 | Permalink

Comment

Hi Enrique,

I am also related to this couple via my Valencia and Oceguera ancestors and as part of the indexing work that I'm doing in the Archivo del Antiguo Obispado de Michoacan... I turned up a dispensa that provides LOTS of details about Pedro de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento Palomino, although there's not much information on his wife Lorenza.

Here's the link to the dispensa for a son of Pedro, Alejandro de Torres Guerrero y Gaytan (Originario de Tamazula), and his marriage to Rosa Maria de Cervantes (Originaria de Cotija):

  • Dispensa de segundo con cuarto grado de consanguinidad entre Alejandro de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento y Rosa Maria de Cervantes y Vargas, Tinguindin, Dos de Enero, 1740


    • In the dispensa we learn that the novios are related on the Torres side. Piecing together the tree, with the help of other dispensas, the tree looks like this:

    Por parte del novio:

    • Tronco: Juan de Torres Guerrero cc Ana de Sarmiento Palomino
    • Primer Grado: Jose de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento cc Josefa de Andrada y Oceguera
    • Segundo Grado: Pedro de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento cc Lorenza de Borja y Gaytan
    • Novio: Alejandro de Torres Guerrero y Gaytan


    Por parte de la novia:

    • Tronco: Juan de Torres Guerrero cc Ana de Sarmiento Palomino
    • Primer Grado: Sebastian de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento cc Ines de Suarez y Oceguera
    • Segundo Grado: Andrea de Torres y Suarez cc Leonel de Cervantes
    • Tercer Grado: Leonel de Cervantes y Torres cc Nicolasa de Vargas Machuca y Oceguera
    • Novia: Rosa Maria de Cervantes


    In the dispensa we learn about a second parentesco which is the following:

    Por parte del novio:

    • Tronco: Diego de Oceguera Coronado cc Ana Vasquez Manzo
    • Primer Grado: Alvaro Rodriguez de Andrada cc Mariana de Oceguera y Manzo
    • Segundo Grado: Jose de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento cc Josefa de Andrada y Oceguera
    • Tercer Grado: Pedro de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento cc Lorenza de Borja y Gaytan
    • Novio: Alejandro de Torres Guerrero y Gaytan


    Por parte de la novia:

    • Tronco: Diego de Oceguera Coronado cc Ana Vasquez Manzo
    • Primer Grado: Diego de Oceguera Coronado y Manzo cc Juana de Loera Manzanedo
    • Segundo Grado: Maria de Oceguera y Loera cc Miguel de Vargas Machuca
    • Tercer Grado: Nicolasa de Vargas Machuca y Oceguera cc Leonel de Cervantes
    • Novia: Rosa Maria de Cervantes


    I also found the informacion matrimonial of Jose de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento and Josefa de Andrada y Oceguera :

  • Informacion Matrimonial de Jose de Torres Guerrero y Sarmiento Palomino y Josefa de Andrada y Oceguera, Tinguindin, Seis de Marzo, 1663


    • Hope this helps!

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    Published by Research – Wed, 2017-02-22 03:29 | Permalink

    Comment

    Hola. ¿Alguien me podría ayudar a completar estos datos de los Torres de la Provincia de Ávalos?

    - María del Refugio Pía Torres Jasso (Zapotlán, 1850). cc. José Matías Antonio Sánchez de Aldana Jasso (Zapotlán, 1848).
    hija de:

    - José Rafael de los Santos Torres Silva (Jaripo, Michoacán, 1811). cc. Mariana de Jasso Munguía (en segundas nupcias).
    hijo de:

    - José Antonio de Torres cc. María Dolores de Silva.

    Hasta aquí llego, como verán es muy breve. Algunos de los hermanos de José Rafael nacieron en Jiquilpan, sin embargo no encuentro noticias de esta familia por ningún lado.

    Gracias por la ayuda.

    DD

    Published by mendezdetorres – Sun, 2016-12-04 06:12 | Permalink

    Comment

    Parece que podemos ser parientes por varias líneas. Un hijo de éstos José de Torres Sarmiento casó Ana Ochoa Garibay y Brambila Villaseñor en febrero de 1742 en la parroquia de San Francisco, Tamazula. Como pista hay muchos "Torres y Sarmiento" en Puebla de Zaragoza durante el siglo XVII, parece ser la cuna novohispana de esta familia. No me sorprendería si tu Pedro viajaría desde Puebla para la Provincia de Avalos. Aun en el siglo XIX podemos ver varias personas usando el apellido Torres Sarmiento en Jalisco. También me interesa tu línea Borja, pues desciendo de los Martínez de Borja en Morelia, Michoacán, cuál será el vínculo?

    Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

    Comment

    Antes que nada muchas gracias por tus datos Daniel, y si al parecer estamos emparentados por esa linea queno no he podido encontrar a los padres de Pedro De Torres y Sarmiento pero seguiré tu consejo para buscar alguna pista en Puebla.

    El hijo de Pedro Tores y Sarmiento (que es mi linea familiar) es Juan Joseph De Torres y Sarmiento nacido al parecer en Zapotlan, caso en Tamazula en feb de 1742 con doña Ana Rita De Ochoa Brambila Villaseñor, sus padres fueron Cristobal de Ochoa y Antonia de Brambila y Villaseñor, al parecer es la misma persona por el nombre y el año de matrimonio.

    Enrique F. Garibay Castañeda

    Indexing Wills/Testamentos

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    Estimados Miembros,

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    Published by Denise Hernand… – Sat, 2017-05-27 00:30 | Permalink

    Comment

    Hi Sergio

    More testamentos!

    A few years ago i tried to see testamentos of Aguascalientes through the Acervo Digital del Archivo Historico and I alway got an error message when i tried to view the docs. But yesterday i tried the link again and the "ver documento" button works. I still have a problem using the search form, so I have to use the "back door", just browse through the list which I can access through the link.

    This is probably not news for anyone else, but for me it's a big break. It's a window on life in the 1600's and 1700's - dotas, selling of slaves (and freeing of slaves), selling and buying land and houses, besides testamentos.

    This is the link:
    http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/seggob/acervodigital/notarial.a…

    It will great if the guadalajara testamentos can be indexed too - i am still in for giving a hand with that.

    Regards
    Denise

    Comment

    good for you madera_32. but i'm still gonna pass on indexing wills since there's so many other records that still need indexing and guadalajara dispensas being #1 priority, and helping out with daniel's valladolid dispensas project, monte escobedo baptisms, silao info. mat. etc. being side/secondary projects i'm working on as well.

    Comment

    Hi Kathy,

    What years are you working on in Monte Escobedo baptisms? I can't find the baptism of my 9th generation ancestor Blas Madera who should be baptized aroune late 1600's or early 1700's. I am curious about him because in his marriage record he was listed as a "mestizo" when his parents are listed as "espanoles - born in Mexico." But when he passed away in 1776, he was listed as a "mulatto libre."

    That is odd. Which means one of his parents could not have been "espanol."

    I wanted to find his baptism record to confirm. It should be at Mesquitic or Monte Escobedo.

    Published by Denise Hernand… – Fri, 2017-05-26 09:00 | Permalink

    Comment

    Hi Sergio

    I would give it a shot, as I am looking for the testament of Juan Sotelo anyways.
    Basically, the info would be:

    name of difunto and where they are from
    date of testamento
    film number
    image number

    anything else?

    For example:

    Blas Cordero, Zacatecas
    13 nov 1656
    film 007983535
    image 62/583

    the above came from this page:

    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-Y9RN-V?mode=g&cat=130…

    My Spanish is limited, but i recognize words like difunto and vecino and place names.
    If someone set up the blog page, I would attempt to make contributions as i go through the records.

    Regards
    Denise

    Comment

    i'd rather focus on indexing marriage dispensations, but i looked through first few films briefly, and it seems like most of them are from guadalajara in particular(so they probably won't have anything relevant for my tree since i have no known ancestors who lived in guadalajara for most of their life), some are long, and it's kinda hard to tell when each one starts and ends.
    just giving y'all a heads up

    Comment

    One of my distant relatives browsed and found a common ancestor for both of us that is from Mezqitic, Jalisco, Mexico. The testamento is year 1714, 50 pages long. Lots of stuff in it and our ancestor had a house in Ciudad Zacatecas on Santo Domingo street por la salida de la Ciudad Zacatecas for example.

    Comment

    One of my distant relatives browsed and found a common ancestor for both of us that is from Mezqitic, Jalisco, Mexico. The testamento is year 1714, 50 pages long. Lots of stuff in it and our ancestor had a house in Ciudad Zacatecas on Santo Domingo street por la salida de la Ciudad Zacatecas for example.

    Published by MADERA_32 – Thu, 2017-05-25 20:58 | Permalink

    Comment

    Well if someone ever browses through year 1709 or 1735 can you please note that for me?

    1709 for Antonio Madera of Mesquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

    or his wife Maria De La Candelaria (Angon) that left a testamento in 1735 at Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico

    Questions on Nicolas Minjares de Solorzano

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    Nicolas is first married to Maria de la Sida (or Cida) y Roxas but is known in records as Maria de Roxas. In his second marriage with Manuela Delgado Ruiz she is referred to as Manuela Ruiz.

    Comments

    Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2017-11-18 21:33 | Permalink

    Comment

    Descanse en paz Edward Gurrola. Mi más sentido pésame a su esposa Elaine, su hija Cecilia, y al resto de su familia.

    Rick A. Ricci

    Comment

    Just read your email re Edward Gurrola. Sorry to lose a distant cousin and dedicated genealogist. I used his book extensively in my research on my Durango roots.
    -Raquel

    Published by Marcelina Macias – Mon, 2017-11-06 16:00 | Permalink

    Comment

    Hola Simona:

    Aunque no tengo a la familia Minjares en mi genealogía ya me había dado cuenta que fue una familia que estuvo presente en Querétaro entre 1590 y 1620 y después ya no apareció por lo que creo que se fueron a otro lugar y ese lugar pudo haber sido Durango, ya que en 1640 comienzan los registros en aquél lugar, en sitios mineros.

    Creo que el apellido Minjares puede ser andalusí y que puede provenir de "El Minjar" una localidad cercana a Granada.

    Es posible que no existan registros tempranos en la zona de Durango. Sería cuestión de investigar a la familia Solórzano.

    Saludos

    Marcelina

    Comment

    Hola Simona:

    Me asomé a Familysearch y al parecer María de la Cida y Roxas estuvo casa también con Joseph Cano:

    "México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHBC-W5B : 15 July 2015), Joseph Cano De Los Rios and Maria De La Sida, 14 Sep 1692; citing El Sagrario Metropolitano,Victoria De Durango,Durango,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 654,837.

    Y tuvo cuando menos dos hijas: María en 1701 y Gertrudis en 1696.
    No la encontré con el apellido Cida, Zida ni Sida ni Cid. En cuanto al apellido Roxas podría ser Ramírez, ya que hubo muchos Ramírez que le ponían a sus hijos el apellido Roxas.

    Saludos

    Marcelina

    Comment

    buscando encontré el matrimonio de Francisca de la Sida sus padres son

    Capitan Luis Peres de La Sida
    1615–Deceased • MC3Z-V58
    Maria de Rojas
    1623–Deceased • LYC6-PZZ

    Francisca de la Sida cc Francisco Quintero de Moya (Moia)
    Marriage: 08 DEC 1658
    San Pedro Apostol,Nombre De Dios,Durango

    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6FH9-FXJ

    Lo curioso es que ademas mencionan un tal Joseph de la Sida y Leguisamo creo que dice que el estuvo por la falta de su padre el Capitan Luis Peres de la Sida y Madre ya defuntos Pero no estoy segura de lo de mas que dice.

    Tambien mencionan los testigos Pedro Quintero de Moia, Alonso de Rojas, Diego Paes

    El tal Diego Paes puede ser

    Diego Paes De Gusman
    1636–Deceased • MC3V-TSZ
    Juana de la Sida
    1638–Deceased • KHYG-DSJ
    Marriage: 06 OCT 1656
    San Pedro Apostol,Nombre De Dios,Durang

    Estuve buscando su matrimonio pero no lo encuentro pero esta entre Bautisos, (Matrimonios, entierros y Matrimonos) No mas dice bautisos.

    Ahora tengo dos casamientos que estoy buscando porque el de Juana Nieto casada con Luis Peres de la Sida no puede ser el viejo ya que este Luis Peres se caso en 1676 ya muchos anos después de Francisca en 1658.

    Capitan Luis Peres de La Sida
    Deceased • MC3Z-V58
    Juana Nieto
    1660–Deceased • MC34-4YJ
    Marriage: 24 AUG 1676
    San Pedro Apostol,Nombre De Dios,Durang

    En otro tema aquí es un documento que es de Juan Congo Negro
    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6FH9-FNS

    No se si todavia quieres estos documents.

    Gracias por la ayuda.

    Published by Marcelina Macias – Fri, 2017-11-10 20:20 | Permalink

    Comment

    Hola Simona:

    Creo que las personas utilizaban variantes de su apellido familiar cuando se casaban y a veces creaban un nuevo apellido compuesto.

    Entonces el apellido puede ser Pérez de la Sida.

    En cuanto al otro registro se refiere a un negro esclavo llamado Juan y traído del Congo.
    Pero no se si tenga relación con tu familia.

    Saludos

    Marcelina

    Published by RaquelRuiz – Sat, 2017-11-18 15:15 | Permalink

    Comment

    The 6 Oct 1656 mg is on image 67; the 24 Aug 1676 is on image 164. Capt
    Luis Peres de la Sida and his wife, Maria Rojas, are my 9th and 10th ggpts.
    I have some more on these families, mainly courtesy of Edward Gurrola. I
    can share more if you email me directly, since Durango is not part of this
    website's focus. My Durango line leads me directly to the US.

    Raquel Ruiz
    Portland, OR

    Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2017-11-18 19:15 | Permalink

    Comment

    What a surprise to hear Edward's name mentioned on this website. His research is not connected to the areas of research that Nuestrosranchos members are usually interested in. I had done some research a few months back that caused me to cross paths with some of his research. The last time that I called to talk to him his daughter told me that he was resting. He is not in good health and I have him in my prayers. Please pray for him.

    One section of my book will have a chapter on the intersection of some of our research.

    Rick A. Ricci

    Comment

    thank you so much for the offer of more information on Perez de la Sida.

    I have sent you an email with my email addres. Thanks again.

    earlier coronado records

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    where can i find marriage records for a jose (aka joseph lorenzo )coronado and or maria margarita Segovia?

    Comments

    Published by sarod77 – Thu, 2017-11-16 21:47 | Permalink

    Comment

    This couple
    Jose Lorenzo Coronado (9SZ9-L1K)and Maria Margarita Segovia b: about 1760 whose children starting in 1789 were born in Gaudalupe del Carnicero, Charcas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Their children are either mestizo or castizo. There are only 3 found could be more. The other couple Lorenso Coronado and Margarita Maria whose children (I only found Balvina 1765) might be a dif couple altogether.

    could you include the dates of birth for the other two you found severiana and Pedro.
    The coronados had their own Rancho named San Antonio de los Coronados whose records were mostly located in Charcas but there are some in Venado. The family married throughout San Luis and some even ventured out to jalisco, aguascalientes, and Pinos among other places.

    Comment

    maria severianna 1797 san francisco, charcas, mexico death is unknown at this time married jose tiburicio mendoza from what i can tell from records so far and also pedro who happens to be my 6th great grandfather who had married my 6th great grandma maria felipa guerrero. im interested in more about jose lorenzo coronado in a record who is correct parents for him as i havent found a birth record or anything for him nor his wife to continue on tree as im stuck at this time.

    Comment

    Birth of Daughter Balbina Theodora Coronado(1765–)
    April 1765 • Santa Maria DE LA Asuncion, Santa Maria Del Rio, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
    1765

    Birth of Son Jose Carls Coronado(1789–)
    November 1789 • San Francisco, Charcas, San Luis Potosí, Mexico
    1789

    Birth of Daughter Maria Severiana Coronado(1797–)
    November 1797 • San Francisco, Charcas, San Luis Potosí, Mexico
    1797

    Birth of Son Jose Francisco Coronado(1801–)
    1801 • San Francisco, Charcas, San Luis Potosí, Mexico

    Birth of Son Ignacio Coronado(1849–)
    August 1849 • El Cedral, San Luis Potosí, México

    Can anyone help with the guadalajaradispensas website?

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    I need someone to help the owner with some technical aspects. The two elements involved are GoDaddy and Blogger. Please email me if you think you can help.

    Thanks,
    Rosalinda

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    Comment

    Thanks, Daniel! Your help was invaluable.

    Sorry I didn't respond earlier to everyone; my job has been keeping me busy. Thank you for your patience; there were circumstances that made it challenging to get here. I would like to thank the owner, too, who had to spend time fixing what was a less than straightforward issue.

    In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of my own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since we've all enjoyed the benefits of the site.

    I'll look into this in December, once I have some free time to do so.

    Rosalinda

    Comment

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.

    Alicia,
    San Jose, Ca

    On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:

    > Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    > busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    > my
    > own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    > can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    > we've
    > all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    > once I
    > have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >
    >

    Comment

    Me too

    ________________________________
    From: Announce on behalf of Alicia Carrillo
    Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:02 PM
    To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
    Cc: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
    Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] www.guadalajaradispensas.com is back online!

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.

    Alicia,
    San Jose, Ca

    On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:

    > Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    > busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    > my
    > own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    > can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    > we've
    > all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    > once I
    > have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >
    >

    Comment

    Yes. There are quite a few of us willing to help defray costs for this and Nuestros Ranchos. Marge Vallazza

    > On Nov 16, 2017, at 23:02, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
    >
    > Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    > need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.
    >
    > Alicia,
    > San Jose, Ca
    >
    >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:
    >>
    >> Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    >> busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    >> my
    >> own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    >> can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    >> we've
    >> all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    >> once I
    >> have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >>
    >>

    Comment

    Rosalinda,

    Yes, thank you for all your work and dedication.

    And, please, don't tell us how little to contribute; tell us how much. I am certain that many other 'Rancheros' will also be happy to contribute.

    Efrain

    -----Original Message-----
    >From: Alicia Carrillo
    >Sent: Nov 16, 2017 9:02 PM
    >To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
    >Cc: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
    >Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] www.guadalajaradispensas.com is back online!
    >
    >Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    >need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.
    >
    >Alicia,
    >San Jose, Ca
    >
    >On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    >> busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    >> my
    >> own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    >> can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    >> we've
    >> all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    >> once I
    >> have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >>
    >>

    Comment

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Once you figure out how much you would
    need in compensation, let us know, I'd be happy to contribute.

    Alicia,
    San Jose, Ca

    On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote:

    > Thanks, Daniel! Sorry I didn't respond earlier; my job has been keeping me
    > busy. In order to reinstate the site, I had to pay the renewal fee out of
    > my
    > own pocket, and the owner has been paying for years. I may try to see if we
    > can create something to help the owner (and me!) defray the costs since
    > we've
    > all enjoyed the benefits of the site. I'll look into this in December,
    > once I
    > have some free time to do so. Rosalinda
    >
    >

    Comment

    Thank you Daniel, Rosalinda, and Claudia,

    . It is a very valuable resource that many of us have used to break through brick walls. Here are two examples:

    Almost from the beginning of my building my family tree I came up against statements from a couple of prominent genealogists that my paternal ancestral line was inaccurate. All the pieces of the puzzle, when brought together, led to the conclusion that my constructed tree was correct. Mariano Gonzalez Leal and Jaime Holcombe did not have these ancestors in their work. Jaime Holcombe specifically states that this one ancestor died at a very young age before having family. Jaime Holcombe was incorrect in this statement. All of the records that I collected and brought together made sense only with the tree that I constructed from the many many pieces. But this tree was constructed from dozens of primary documents, and if a single one of those documents was in error, then the whole tree fell apart. It was only through the Guadalajara dispensations offerered online was I able to find a 1611 document that gave a complete seal of approval to this constructed family tree. It provided a primary piece of evidence without having to rely on the many many pieces of the puzzle that I had brought together.

    The second example of the marriage dispensations helping me break through brickwalls was how I was able to find primary evidence that explained a big mystery of my De La Torre ancestors and how they were related to Miguel Hidalgo. This also helped me discover the De la Torre Ledesma ancestral family line all the way back to Spain. This line connects to the opposing side of the civil war between Pedro and Enrique II. I had already previously constructed my descent from many members of Enrique Ii's side of the civil war, so this discovery added more juice to the stories that I had collected of their conflict as the De La Torre Ledesma family descends from Pedro "el cruel" 's side of the civil war. This ancestral line shows how many of the founding fathers of Los Altos de Jalisco came from families that were related in Spain.

    It is so invaluable that I I would like to ensure that it is never taken down again. I would gladly take over the management of keeping the site up. Please contact me.

    Thanks again,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Published by R.A.Ricci – Tue, 2017-10-17 12:25 | Permalink

    Comment

    Dear Rosalinda,

    There is a problem with the email address that you provided. I am willing to take on the task of getting it back up, and keeping it up, so please send me your email address.

    Thanks,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Aparicio Alonso de los Ynojos abt 1725

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    In researching for my cousins line, I found them related to the following person

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    Published by dcalonso – Thu, 2017-11-09 01:28 | Permalink

    Comment

    Theres a Aparicio Alonso de los Hinojos married to Antonia Delgadillo, but he was born about 1700. He's the son of Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos and Gertrudis de Chavez.

    Danny C. Alonso

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    They could be the same as my cousins grandparents are Marcos Benites abt 1700 married to Estefania Delgadillo in Aguascalientes unknown date. Their Child Clemente Benites marries Juana Gertrudis Herrera and their child Maria Gregoria Benites married to Juan Jose Castorena whose child marries en Nombre de Dios, Durango.

    There is probably a conx. just have to keep digging. Thanks for the help Danny.

    General Juan de Velasco y Barrios, comandante de flota de la Nueva España

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    Hola a todos:

    Les escribo para compartirles una rama de la familia Velasco distinta de la que tanto se ha mencionado de los Fernández de Velasco.

    Ésta rama inicia así:

    Primera Generación:

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    Published by R.A.Ricci – Mon, 2017-11-06 02:36 | Permalink

    Comment

    El Contador Rodrigo de Velasco Tesorero de la Audiencia de Nueva Galicia murio en 1590 y su esposa Ana Velasco y Mendoza murio en 1591. Puede ser que el Rodrigo Velasco que menciona Marcelina sea hijo de Rodrigo y nieto del Capitan General Juan Velasco de Barrrio y Ana Velasco y Mendoza.

    Rodrigo de Velasco, hijo del Capitan General Juan Velasco de Barrio regreso a Espana entonces no puede ser el mismo "Rodrigo Velasco" que fue a vivir a Michoacan.

    Rick A Ricci

    Published by Erik Andrés Re… – Sat, 2017-11-04 21:00 | Permalink

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    Hola Marcelina:

    Yo tengo a Rodrigo de Velasco y María de Cárdenas como antepasados pero los datos de su filiación son correctos? Estamos seguros que Rodrigo de Velasco, vecino de Michoacán y padre de Antonio de Velasco y Cárdenas, es el mismo que fue Tesorero de la Nueva Galicia o un homónimo?

    Pregunto porque Rodrigo de Velasco, Tesorero de la Nueva Galicia, natural de Medina de Pomar, hijo de Juan de Velasco del Barrio y de Mencía de Rada casó con su deuda Ana de Velasco y de Mendoza, hermana del I Conde de la Revilla.

    En el sepulcro de sus padres aparece la siguiente leyenda: "Esta obra mandó hazer Juan de Velasco, Caballero de la orden militar del señor Santiago el cual murió año de 1578 siendo capitán general de la armada y flota de yndias por el Rey Nuestro Señor. La cual comenzó su hijo Rodrigo de Velasco caballero de la misma orden del señor Santiago que murió año 1590 siendo Gobernador del Campo de Montiel y Carabaza y Segura. Y la acabó doña Ana de Velasco y de Mendoza su mujer este año de 1591"

    La hija de Rodrigo de Velasco y Ana de Velasco y Mendoza, Ana María de Velasco sería a su tiempo Condesa de Revilla por matrimonio con su deudo el II Conde. También apunto que este Rodrigo de Velasco quien efectivamente estuvo en Indias pero falleció siendo Gobernador de Campo de Montiel en Ciudad Real está sepultado con sus padres y esposa Ana en la Iglesia de Barrio de Díaz Ruiz en Burgos.

    Published by Erik Andrés Re… – Sat, 2017-11-04 21:57 | Permalink

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    Estoy leyendo en "Andariegos y Pobladores..." que María de Cárdenas sobrevivió a este Rodrigo de Velasco, ella se casó en segundas nupcias con el Contador Francisco Rodríguez, vecino de Zamora. Con esto podemos descartar que Cárdenas pudiera ser primer matrimonio del Tesorero de la Nueva Galicia.

    Salvo que algún documento pruebe que Rodrigo, esposo de Cárdenas, sea el mismo Tesorero y Caballero de Santiago, Rodrigo de Velasco esposo de la hermana del Conde de Revilla, nuestro Rodrigo de Velasco podría ser pariente del sevillano Diego de Velasco, Teniente de Alcalde Mayor y vecino de Colima. Hijo de Llorente del Río y de Isabel de Velasco.

    Qué opinas?

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    Hola Richard:

    Si encontré los registro de los naufragios de cuatro naves, creo recordar que en 1566. Sin embargo el General Juan de Velasco y Barrios siguió como comandante de la flota hasta 1578.

    Se perdieron cuatro barcos en aquella ocasión.

    Hola León:

    Respecto de la filiación entre el General y el tesorero hay un registro en pares, Audiencia de Nueva Galicia:

    GUADALAJARA, 230,L.1,F311r-312V que dice: Real Cédula a Rodrigo de Velasco, Tesorero de Nueva Galicia hijo del general Juan Velasco del Barrio prorrogando la licencia que se le concedió para venir a España por Cédula dada en Madrid el 23 de febrero de de 1573.

    Si tu cuentas con alguna información sobre la diversa filiación sería necesario ponderarlas para saber cuál es la más precisa.

    Respecto de la filiación entre Rodrigo y Antonio de Velasco voy a revisar las fuentes del libro, pues se basa en los documentos del Archivo de Colima.

    ¿Tienes ancestros del solar de Tejada? Yo los tengo del solar de Valdeosera a través del apellido Sáenz de Cabezón.

    Saludos a todos

    Marcelina

    Comment

    Hola otra vez:

    El autor de Andariegos y Pobladores... señala que Don Antonio fuye hijo de Rodrigo de Velasco y señala un expediente, pero no transcribió la descripción del contenido, por lo tanto no se sabe si se refiere a dicha filiación o al segundo casamiento de Doña María de Cárdenas.

    Doña María le dio carta poder a su hijo Antonio de Velasco para realizar reclamaciones sobre 50 reses.

    El mismo autor cita que en el Archivo Histórico del municipio de Colima se encuentra el testamento de Antonio de Velasco AHMC/Caja 24/Exp.8, posiblemente haya visto el testamento y podamos precisar dicha filiación.

    Otro elemento interesante es que Antonio de Velasco fue también alcalde ordinario y regidor en la villa de Colima.

    Marcelina

    Marcelina

    Comment

    Hola otra vez:

    El autor de Andariegos y Pobladores... señala que Don Antonio fue hijo de Rodrigo de Velasco y señala un número de expediente, pero no transcribió la descripción del contenido, por lo tanto no se sabe si se refiere a dicha filiación o al segundo casamiento de Doña María de Cárdenas.

    Doña María le dio carta poder a su hijo Antonio de Velasco para realizar reclamaciones sobre 50 reses.

    El mismo autor cita que en el Archivo Histórico del municipio de Colima se encuentra el testamento de Antonio de Velasco AHMC/Caja 24/Exp.8, posiblemente alguien haya visto el testamento y podamos precisar dicha filiación.

    Otro elemento interesante es que Antonio de Velasco fue también alcalde ordinario y regidor en la villa de Colima.

    Marcelina

    Comment

    Hola Marcelina:

    Mil gracias por la información y los datos; creo que Rodrigo de Velasco esposo de María de Cárdenas y Rodrigo de Velasco hijo de Juan de Velasco de Barrios son personas diferentes. Me baso en lo siguiente: 1) Rodrigo de Velasco, esposo de María de Cárdenas falleció en las Indias mientras que el Tesorero Rodrigo de Velasco falleció en España siendo sepultado con sus padres y esposa en la Iglesia de Barrio de Díaz Ruiz en Burgos. 2) María de Cárdenas casó en segundas nupcias con el Contador Rodríguez por lo que descartamos que Cárdenas pudiera ser primera esposa del hijo de Juan de Velasco de Barrios. Creo que es un caso de homonimia.

    Me interesa mucho esta rama por tener a Rodrigo de Velasco y María de Cárdenas como antepasados. Este Rodrigo de Velasco sin embargo aún podría ser pariente del Virrey, habrá que seguir tirando del hilo hasta saber cómo.

    Sobre Tejada sí, soy Caballero Divisero desde el año 2012 por el linaje García-Sancho establecido en Guadalajara de Nueva Galicia, en concreto por mi quinta abuela Dolores García-Sancho y Moreno de Tejada, primera esposa del Gobernador de Jalisco José Palomar y Rueda quien fue recibida en 1827. Me alegra ser parientes por nuestro origen Camerano.

    Aquí escribo sobre el tema: https://www.culturahispana.de/2017/10/23/introduccion-al-solar-de-tejad…

    En este discuto sobre nuestro origen legendario (Tejadas y Valdeoseras) https://www.culturahispana.de/2017/10/29/el-origen-del-solar-de-tejada/

    He leído con mucho agrado e interés tus aportaciones. Me interesa mucho conocer tu opinión sobre el segundo artículo del origen de nuestros Solares, para no distraer el tema te parece si lo trasladamos allá?

    Por cierto, hay unos caballeros Sáenz de Tejada y Cabezón en la lista de apellidos del Solar de Tejada. No serán antepasados tuyos?

    Saludos,

    Comment

    Hola León:

    Sobre los Velasco, que recién estoy investigando por Isabel de Velasco madre de Nicolás de Murguía, antepasados míos. Hace poco estuve investigando otro apellido: Santa Anna que procede de Medina del Pomar, estuve viendo varios videos históricos sobre esa población y así me di cuenta de que había muchos Velasco en esa zona. Pero realmente esa familia no la conozco con detalle. De todas maneras propuse mi hipótesis para reavivar un poco el interés general en temas de un interés más extenso.

    Es completamente posible que hubiero dos o más Rodrigos de Velasco y poco podrá saberse hasta que se pueda ver el testamento de Antonio de Velasco. Incluso la Real Cédula puede no tener suficiente precisión como sería un testamento o alguna escritura más precisa.

    Sobre mis antepasados, provienen presuntamente del poblado de Cabezón de Cameros que todavía existe, tengo únicamente la siguiente información:

    Pedro Sáenz de Cabezón de Soria, originario de Curiel pasó a la ciudad de Los Ángeles (Puebla) a fines del Siglo XVI, sus descendientese fueron a vivir a una zona indígena llamada Victoria Guanajuato o Xichú de Indios, en éste lugar había pocos españoles, la actividad económica era la minería de oro y plata.

    En mis investigaciones he llegado a principios del Siglo XVI pero no he intentado rastrear más allá. Voy a asomarme al enlace que me propones pero realmente no se me ha ocurrido integrar el expediente para ser reconocida como descendiente ya que sería necesario viajar a muchos lugares pues no recibí ningún documento de la familia de mi abuela materna. En 1927 fueron quemados los archivos municipales de varias localidades del norte de Guanajuato.

    Saludos

    Marcelina (Fabiola)

    Comment

    Hola Marcelina:

    Muchas gracias, me ha parecido genial tu idea de reavivar el tema. Hay varias ramas de los Velasco que aún quedan en el aire: Alonso de Velasco y Zúñiga esposo de Ana de Flores de la Torre y otros. No sería raro que fueran parientes del Virrey, quizás me repito pero sabemos que era común que parientes de Obispos, Virreyes, Oidores y otros personajes pasaran a las Indias como sus criados, otros, ya en Indias, aunque teniendo un parentesco más o menos lejano, reclamaban la relación usando el apellido que quizás era de un abuelo (Creo que este es el caso de las Hernández de Arellano-Hurtado de Mendoza a quienes les convenía más usar Mendoza pues estando el Virrey Don Antonio de Mendoza, era el linaje de "moda"). Volviendo al tema, sí, encontrar el testamento de Antonio de Velasco sería estupendo y podría brindar nuevas luces sobre la conexión que propones con los de Tamazula.

    Sobre los Sáenz de Cabezón valdría la pena indagar más, si llegases a necesitar guía sobre el proceso de Tejada me dices y con gusto lo vemos. También una persona que te puede ayudar sobre estas familias es Tomás Rubio de Tejada y Fernández a quien puedes localizar en info@solardetejada.es

    Comment

    Hola León:

    El personaje clave de la emigración burgalesa en el Siglo XVI pudo haber sido Don Sancho Ortiz de Matienzo, originario de Medina del Pomar y Tesorero de la Casa de Contratación de Sevilla. Tenía una casa que aun se conserva en Medina del Pomar al igual que el Alcázar de los Velasco.

    Hicieron un libro sobre su vida en el que al parecer se narran las relaciones que había entre varias familias de Las Merindades. En Querétaro hubo importante inmigración burgalesa que trajo la industria de la lana, que llegó a ser las más importante de la nueva España mediante la cría de ovejas y la elaboración de ropa basta en obrajes que se distribuía en todo el virreinato y se mantuvo hasta principios del siglo XIX.

    Published by R.A.Ricci – Sat, 2017-11-04 20:56 | Permalink

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    Gracias Marcelina por la informacíon de la descendencia de Capitan General Juan Velasco de Barrios.

    The name Juan Velasco de Barrios reminds me of treasure hunters.

    Many of the merchant ships in the Flota de Nueva Espafia of Captain-General Juan Velasco de Barrios carried Silver and Gold. Captain-General Juan Velasco de Barrios was headed back to Spain with Silver and Gold when he found out that the English were planning on attacking his ships to take his Precious metals.

    Capitan- General Juan Velasco de Barrios decided to evade the English by taking another route to Spain, but this new route took too long and he then had to travel during hurricane season in dangerous waters. He tried to outrun the storms unsuccessfully as he lost many ships, and their precious cargo. Over many years, treasure hunters have been looking for these lost ships.

    Thanks again,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Can some experienced genealogist decipher/read this word?

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    Hello forum,

    I am trying to find out what the following word is.

    It is in a christening record. The record is at the top of the right hand side page here:

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    Comment

    Many thanks for your kind reply Manny. I agree with you. But I am not sure because the editor wrote the word "benefi[cia]do in the record just below Juana's record and "do" looks very different.

    Sometimes the word "Licenciado" was abbreviated "Lzdo", but editor's "z" also looks quite different. That is what I am thinking maybe the word could be another one.

    Un cordial saludo Manny,

    Rubén

    Comment

    Is it digo? The word that is commonly used to refer to a person previously recited in the record, as in "said Lazaro Hernandez" in English.

    Comment

    Hi Ruben,

    After taking another look, you’re right. It names Lazaro Hernandez twice, and it gives no title on the first entry. I’m going to say, “hijos del dho Lazº Hz.”

    “Dicho” would be appropriate and typical, and looks like Alex also thinks the same,

    Saludos!
    Manny Diez Hermosillo

    Published by 245luigi – Fri, 2017-10-20 20:53 | Permalink

    Comment

    I'm a bit unsure myself. To be fair the first letter in the unknown word looks like the scribes "L" rather than a "d". HA!

    Published by Ruben Hdez – Sat, 2017-10-21 08:02 | Permalink

    Comment

    It seems the editor pretended to write "dho" and he had a Lapsus Linguae at the time he was writing.

    Thank you Manny and Alex!

    Rubén

    Comment

    Many thanks Alejandro for taking part in this topic.

    Taking a closer look to the 3rd. record on the left hand side page (Pedro) the same editor wrote:

    en dicho dia mes y año susodicho yo el dicho cura beneficiado ...

    ("cho" looks very similar to the last part of the unknown word)

    ... yjo de miguel y dey savel ... = ... yjo de miguel y de ysabel ...

    (The words are not properly separated)

    I think the "L" at the starting of the unknown word is part of the previous word "de" ("de L" = "del"). So the editor tried to write "... hijos del [di]cho Laz[ar]o ..." but he failed to write the "di" part.

    Rubén

    Comment

    Ruben,

    You are right, that makes more sense. "Del dicho Lazaro" reads better.

    Tienes la boca llena de razon, diria mi padre...

    Saludos,
    Alex

    Comment

    Thank you Alejandro,

    I sometimes think that a crystal ball would make and excellent aid to uncover some old handwritings.

    Rubén

    Aguascalientes website down?

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    Does http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx work for anyone?

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    Miguel Alonso de los Inojos

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    I am hoping someone can help me identify/confirm Miguel's parents.

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    Published by dcalonso – Thu, 2017-10-26 00:06 | Permalink

    Comment

    Raquel,

    The two baptisms don't seem to show a huge connection to the Alonso de los Hinojos. There does appear to be some connection to the Flores de la Torre family though. The padrinos of Feliciana on her baptism are Nicolasa Flores de la Torre and Dionicio Macias Valadez. The padrino of her sister Juana Francisca is Cristobal Flores de la Torre, brother of Nicolasa Flores de la Torre, both children of Hernan Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis Ornelas. Cristobal Flores de la Torre's wife Maria Diaz/Dominguez seems to be a peripheral relative of the Alonso de los Hinojos at best. Maria Diaz/Dominguez is the daughter of Miguel Diaz Montanez and Josepha Diaz. Miguel Diaz Montanez is the son of Juan Montanez and Sebastiana Diaz, Sebastiana Diaz is the daughter of Miguel Diaz and Maria Medel and Maria Medel is the daughter of Pedro Medel and Ana Dominguez.

    Sebastiana Diaz that's married to Juan Montanez is the sister of the Ana Dominguez that's married to Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos. That Ana Domiguez is the granddaughter of the Ana Domiguez married to Pedro Medel. Unfortunately I can't really connect your Miguel Alonso to the Alonso de los Hinojos.

    Danny C. Alonso

    Comment

    Danny,
    Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if Hernan Flores de la Torre and
    Fernando Torres de la Torre, both married to a Gertrudis de Ornelas and
    having children in Teocaltiche between 1675 and 1687 are one in the same?
    Fernando Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis de Ornelas had a daughter,
    Josefa, baptized 25 May 1684. I'm wondering if this is the same Josefa
    Flores who married Nicolas Alonoso de los Ynojos, son of Pedro Alonso de
    los Ynojos and Ana Domingues.

    -Raquel

    Comment

    Raquel,

    I’ve seen that couple and I don’t have parents for them but It’s not the
    same Josefa Flores de la Torre. If you check FamilySearch, you’ll see that
    couple had children born before 1684.

    Danny C. Alonso

    On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:54 PM Raquel Ruiz
    wrote:

    > Danny,
    > Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if Hernan Flores de la Torre and
    > Fernando Torres de la Torre, both married to a Gertrudis de Ornelas and
    > having children in Teocaltiche between 1675 and 1687 are one in the same?
    > Fernando Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis de Ornelas had a daughter,
    > Josefa, baptized 25 May 1684. I'm wondering if this is the same Josefa
    > Flores who married Nicolas Alonoso de los Ynojos, son of Pedro Alonso de
    > los Ynojos and Ana Domingues.
    >
    > -Raquel

    Comment

    If "that couple" is Nicolas Alonso de los Ynojos and Josefa Flores, Nicolas
    is the son of Pedro Alonso de los Ynojos and Ana Domingues, according to
    Retonos. The parents of Josefa are not identified in that resource. I
    would be interested to know if you think Hernan and Fernando are one in the
    same.

    Raquel

    On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

    > Raquel,
    >
    > I’ve seen that couple and I don’t have parents for them but It’s not the
    > same Josefa Flores de la Torre. If you check FamilySearch, you’ll see that
    > couple had children born before 1684.
    >
    > Danny C. Alonso
    >
    > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:54 PM Raquel Ruiz
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Danny,
    > > Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if Hernan Flores de la Torre
    > and
    > > Fernando Torres de la Torre, both married to a Gertrudis de Ornelas and
    > > having children in Teocaltiche between 1675 and 1687 are one in the same?
    > > Fernando Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis de Ornelas had a daughter,
    > > Josefa, baptized 25 May 1684. I'm wondering if this is the same Josefa
    > > Flores who married Nicolas Alonoso de los Ynojos, son of Pedro Alonso de
    > > los Ynojos and Ana Domingues.
    > >
    > > -Raquel
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    Comment

    Danny,

    Never mind, couldn't be that Josefa. Age is off.

    On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Raquel Ruiz
    wrote:

    > Danny,
    > Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if Hernan Flores de la Torre and
    > Fernando Torres de la Torre, both married to a Gertrudis de Ornelas and
    > having children in Teocaltiche between 1675 and 1687 are one in the same?
    > Fernando Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis de Ornelas had a daughter,
    > Josefa, baptized 25 May 1684. I'm wondering if this is the same Josefa
    > Flores who married Nicolas Alonoso de los Ynojos, son of Pedro Alonso de
    > los Ynojos and Ana Domingues.
    >
    > -Raquel
    >

    Comment

    Hernando and Fernando and versions thereof are the same name.

    > On Oct 27, 2017, at 15:54, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
    >
    > Danny,
    > Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if Hernan Flores de la Torre and
    > Fernando Torres de la Torre, both married to a Gertrudis de Ornelas and
    > having children in Teocaltiche between 1675 and 1687 are one in the same?
    > Fernando Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis de Ornelas had a daughter,
    > Josefa, baptized 25 May 1684. I'm wondering if this is the same Josefa
    > Flores who married Nicolas Alonoso de los Ynojos, son of Pedro Alonso de
    > los Ynojos and Ana Domingues.
    >
    > -Raquel

    Comment

    Thanks.

    On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 8:05 PM, M Vallazza wrote:

    > Hernando and Fernando and versions thereof are the same name.
    >
    > > On Oct 27, 2017, at 15:54, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
    > >
    > > Danny,
    > > Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if Hernan Flores de la Torre
    > and
    > > Fernando Torres de la Torre, both married to a Gertrudis de Ornelas and
    > > having children in Teocaltiche between 1675 and 1687 are one in the same?
    > > Fernando Flores de la Torre and Gertrudis de Ornelas had a daughter,
    > > Josefa, baptized 25 May 1684. I'm wondering if this is the same Josefa
    > > Flores who married Nicolas Alonoso de los Ynojos, son of Pedro Alonso de
    > > los Ynojos and Ana Domingues.
    > >
    > > -Raquel
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    At a dead end: Esparza/Lopez/Villalobos/Tiscareno

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    Leandro Esparza was born 26 February 1882 in Aguascalientes. He was the son of Antonio and Atanacia (Lopez) Esparza.

    Comments

    Published by Ruben Hdez – Tue, 2017-10-24 18:30 | Permalink

    Comment

    Violet,

    María Felícitas was another of the sibling of Leandro. She was christened in Calvillo on 24 Nov. 1871. Her grandparents are listed in the record (Rec. No. 42, 2nd. record in the left hand side page; This image is very blurry and faded):

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D14S-GQM

    Parents of Antonio Esparza: Jesús Esparza and María San José Acosta

    Parents of Atanacia López: Francisco López and Feliciana Salas

    The parents of María Villalobos are listed in the record of the pre-marriage information Leandro and María presented on 11 Apr. 1916 (The record starts one image back):

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939D-QS92-4P

    The parentes of María were Eusebio Villalobos and María Lechuga.

    I hope this informations helps you in your search.

    Rubén

    Comment

    Violet

    Jesus Esparza's wife Maria San Jose Acosta also went by the name
    Maria Josefa Acosta. Also, Atanacia Lopez was Antonio Esparza's second
    wife.

    Atanacia was born in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco May 1841:
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5SL-HT

    according to this baptism her father Francisco Lopez is the son of Ygnacio
    Lopez and Antonia Lopez and her mother Feliciana Salas who also uses the
    name Feliciana Sanchez is the daughter of Reyes de Salas and Maria de San
    Juan Sanchez, who also uses the name Maria Juana Sanchez.

    Antonio Esparza was born in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco June 1826

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-PTK7-B

    according to the baptism his father Jesus Esparza was the son of Justo de
    Esparza and Maria de la Luz de la Cerda. His mother Maria Josefa Acosta was
    the daughter of Antonio Acosta and Margarita Medina (also uses the name
    Margarita Mendez)

    Antonio Esparza's first wife was Jesus Hernandez:

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZN9-M2P

    Feliciana Salas was born in 1816:

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKL8-941

    Justo de Esparza and Maria de la Luz de la Cerda married in 1793:

    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDW-6VS

    Here are their ancestors:

    https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Esparza%20Udave-Family-Tree-1

    Danny C. Alonso

    Comment

    Danny & Rubén -

    Thank you both so very much for the information. I am amazed at how well documented the genealogy is for this region and I now have an impressive list of ancestors to research! Leandro came to the United States in early 1900's and I would love to learn more about why and if others from Aguascalientes also emigrated. I appreciate your assistance!
    Katy

    Employment Definition

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    Could someone please define the difference between these titles: Empleado particular and Empleado Publico.

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    Published by agomgar – Tue, 2017-10-24 10:10 | Permalink

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    Hi Yolie,

    As Danny stated before, an "Encargado del Registro Civil" is/was the person in charge of the Civil Registry Office, where civil birth, marriage and death records were carried out.

    Of course it depends on what time we are talking about, but it used to be an important office and required a person of certain education and position to be in charge of.

    I hope this helps.

    Published by dcalonso – Sun, 2017-10-22 21:11 | Permalink

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    Yolie,

    it just looks like a civil service job. he looks like he's in charge of civil registry, which i think is where they keep birth and marriage records.

    Danny C. Alonso

    Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos & Ana Dominguez

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    Hola prim@s,

    I don’t have this family in my lines, but I’ve accumulated some information on them, which I thought I’d share with those of you who do.

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    Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2017-08-03 18:23 | Permalink

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    Dear Manny,

    I do descend from them. Thank you very much for sharing this information. As always, your work is greatly appreciated.

    Rick A. Ricci

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    Hola de nuevo,

    In the footnotes, Rafael Morales Bocardo mentions that Diego Alonso de los Hinojos “El Mozo” was married to Maria del Hierro. I had missed that.

    Diego Alonso “El Mozo” died and was buried 2 Feb 1657, and Maria del Hierro, on 25 Jun 1658, both in San Felipe, Gto, where they were residents. They were parents of Alonso de los Hinojos Hierro, b. 2 Dec 1613, in Zamora, Mich, and Diego Bernal de los Hinojos Hierro cc Catalina Martin.

    On his death registry, Diego Alonso "El Mozo" is said to be a native of Valladolid (Morelia, Mich).

    Saludos!
    Manny Diez Hermosillo

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    Hola prim@s,

    Juan Martin de los Hinojos aka Juan Alonso de los Hinojos married Josefa Gutierrez, 14 May 1684, in Aguascalientes. He was son of Alonso Martin Mateos Saldaña and Maria Lopez del Castillo (m. 5 Mar 1628, San Luis Potosi), and she, viuda of Pedro Macias.

    This one’s interesting: where does the “Alonso de los Hinojos” come from????

    I have an idea: I think it’s likely that his father, Alonso Martin Mateos Saldaña, was a son of Diego Martin Mateos cc Maria de Saldaña, of SLP. Though it’s possible that the surname came from one of them, I think it’s more likely that the source is his mother, Maria Lopez del Castillo. I’d wager that she is a daughter of Juan Alonso de los Hinojos cc Beatriz Lopez del Castillo, and that she took her mother’s surname. Juan would’ve been named for his maternal grandfather. The timelines and locations fit. By the way, according to her burial record, Maria Lopez del Castillo did leave a testamento, but it doesn't appear to be available online.

    That is my guess, as far as the source of Juan Martin’s “Alonso de los Hinojos.” But then, on his 19 May 1707 testamento, he’s given the name, “Juan de Armas Alonso de los Hinojos.” I haven’t researched this person, so I don’t know if “Armas” was a reoccurring surname, or a typo. Anyone?

    I think it’s fascinating how the Alonso de los Hinojos y Sanchez de Ulloa spoked-off into 3 branches, with 3 sons, living in 3 different reales: Juan Alonso in SLP, Diego Alonso “El Mozo” in San Felipe Gto, and Pedro Alonso in Aguascalientes via Sierra de Pinos. Diego Alonso “El Viejo” owned a recua, which is what would have led him to moving to SLP: the need for pack trains, for hauling silver to Veracruz. Juan Alonso also owned a recua, likely inherited from his father, since he remained in SLP. I wonder if the other sons were in the same trade? Truckers of the 17th century!

    Btw, I’ll start a thread on the Martin Mateos Saldaña, I have a lot of material on them, I just need to synthesize it.

    Saludos!
    Manny Diez Hermosillo

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    Home prim@s,

    Here's some info I've picked up on 2 of the daughters of Diego Alonso cc Leonor Sanchez, with the possible addition of another offspring:

    LEONOR SANCHEZ

    Leonor Sanchez was born in Zamora, Mich. She married Francisco Batalla, 12 Sep 1625, in San Luis Potosi. He was from Villa de Arruda, in Portugal, son of Francisco Batalla and Gracia Anarte. On their marriage record, the bride uses the name, Leonor de los Hinojos.

    They had one child, Francisca Batalla, who married (1) Mateo Jimenez, and (2), Alonso Perez de Bocanegra, on 8 May 1662, in San Luis Potosi.

    On 10 Apr 1653, already widowed, and sick and near dying, Leonor Sanchez gave power of attorney to Alonso Perez de Bocanegra, allowing him to dictate her testament.

    On 09 Jul 1653, Leonor Sanchez registered her testament, naming Alonso Perez de Bocanegra as her executor, and her daughter, Francisca de Batalla, as her heir.
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58F-FT7?i=73&wc=MXBY-…

    YSABEL SANCHEZ DE ULLOA
    m1. Juan Múñoz (or Múñiz)
    m2. Bartolomé de Medina

    Ysabel Sanchez de Ulloa married twice: her first husband was Juan Muñoz, also Muñiz, a merchant. They had one son, Juan Muñoz (& Muñiz) “El Mozo,” b. 13 Jul 1616, Sagrario, San Luis Potosi.

    On 25 Jul 1615, Lorenso Sanchez de Ulloa, dueño de requa, y su cuñado, Juan Muñoz, promised to pay Francisco de Fuente, resident of Mexico City, and Simon Luis, his local intermediary, 528 pesos of common gold for 16 mules, male and female, of assorted colors. Witnesses present were Diego Alonso de los Hinojos and Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos.

    I believe this is the same Juan Muñoz who was married to Ysabel Sanchez de Ulloa, therefore, Lorenso Sanchez de Ulloa would be her brother. He uses their mother’s surname, and might have a different father. Apparently, Lorenso Sanchez and Juan Muñoz had problems paying their loan, and were thrown into jail.

    On 15 Feb 1651, Sagrario SLP, baptized was Maria, daughter of Lorenso Sanchez arriero and Francisca de Contreras; padrinos were Juan Muñoz and his mother, Ysabel Sanchez.

    On 06 Mar 1653, Ysabel Sanchez gave power to write her testamento to her 2nd husband, Bartolome Medina, and to her son, Juan Muñiz.

    Saludos!
    Manny Diez Hermosillo

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    Hola prim@s,

    I finally got around to compiling my notes on 3 confirmed sons of Diego Alonso and Ysabel Sanchez:

    DIEGO ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS "EL "MOZO" AND MARIA DEL HIERRO

    Diego Alonso de los Hinojos “El Mozo” and Maria del Hierro were likely married in Zamora, where they baptized Alonso in Dec 1613. By 1615, they were already living in San Luis Potosi.

    On 30 Jun 1622, Diego Alonso promised to pay Capitan Jorge Beneciano 625 pesos?
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958X-7TRT?i=395&wc=MXB…

    On 18 May 1623, Jorge Beneciano took Diego Alonso to court, demand payment on a debt owed. Looks like their belongings were or will be put up for public auction; Maria del Hierro, mention of her dowry of 1,500 pesos given at time she married.
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-W3KG?i=2&wc=MXBY-…

    Diego Alonso and Maria del Hierro would eventually move to San Felipe, Gto, where he died 2 Feb 1657, and she, 25 Jun 1658.

    The children of Diego Alonso and Maria del Hierro are:

    1. Alonso Alonso de los Hinojos Hierro, b. 02 Dec 1613, Sagrario, Zamora.
    2. Diego Bernal de los Hinojos, m1. Luisa de Rojas, 30 Nov 1644, San Francisco de Pozos, SLP; m2. Catalina Martin.
    3. Juan Alonso de los Hinojos, b. 1616, m. Margarita de Chavez y Nava, 17 Feb 1643, San Felipe, Gto.

    JUAN ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS AND BEATRIZ LOPEZ DEL CASTILLO

    Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Beatriz Lopez del Castillo likely married in Zamora, Mich, where they baptized Magdalena, 30 Apr 1610. The madrina for the baptism of Juana, 30 Dec 1613, was the child’s grandmother, Juana Lopez, who would be the mother of Beatriz Lopez del Castillo.

    On 27 Nov 1618, Diego de Espinosa recognized that he owed Juan Alonso 300 pesos for the purchase of 30 mules, as many male as female, of various colors and wearing the brand, drawn in the margin. By this time, Juan Alonso was already living in San Luis Potosi.
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-7RXX?i=52&wc=MXBY…

    On 30 Sep 1622, Juan Alonso and his wife, Beatriz Lopez del Castillo recognize that they owe Capitan Jorge Beneciano 400 pesos de oro comun. Mentioned are their slaves, Gracia e Ysabel Criollas en Cdad Mexico y de edad de 22 anos, whom I imagine they use as collateral. Neither Juan Alonso nor Beatriz Lopez could sign their names, and one of the witnesses present, was Diego Alonso de los Hinojos El Moso.
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958X-7Y2V?i=228&wc=MXB…

    The children of Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Beatriz Lopez del Castillo are:

    1. Magdalena Alonso de los Hinojos Lopez, b. 30 Apr 1610, Sagrario, Zamora, Mich; padrinos Diego Alonso y Maria su hija.
    2. Maria Lopez del Castillo*, d. 10 Oct 1680, Asuncion de Maria, Ags; m. Alonso Martin Mateos Saldaña, 05 Mar 1628, Sagrario, San Luis Potosi.
    3. Juana Alonso de los Hinojos Lopez, b. 07 Aug 1613, Sagrario, Zamora, Mich.
    4. Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos Lopez, b. 29 Sep 1615, Sagrario, San Luis Potosi.
    5. Ysabel Alonso de los Hinojos Lopez, m. Juan de Castilla, 18 Jan 1638, Sagrario, San Luis Potosi.
    6. Joseph Alonso de los Hinojos Lopez, b. 03 Dec 1621, Sagrario, San Luis Potosi.

    * I don’t have it confirmed that Maria Lopez del Castillo cc Alonso Martin Mateos is part of this family group, though for reasons cited in an earlier post in this thread, I think it’s likely.

    LORENSO SANCHEZ DE ULLOA AND YSABEL MARTIN

    Lorenso Sanchez de Ulloa was married to Ysabel Martin/ez, daughter of Diego Martin and Mari Gomez.

    On 25 Jul 1615, Lorenso Sanchez de Ulloa, dueño de requa, and his brother-in-law, Juan Muñoz, promised to pay Francisco de Fuente, resident of Mexico City, and Simon Luis, 528 pesos of common gold for 16 mules, male and female, of assorted colors. Witnesses present were Diego Alonso de los Hinojos and Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos. Apparently, Lorenso Sanchez and Juan Muñoz had problems paying their loan, and were thrown into jail.

    The children of Lorenso Sanchez de Ulloa and Ysabel Martin are:

    1. Lucas Sanchez Martin, b. 05 Nov 1615, Sagrario, SLP.
    2. Lorenso Sanchez Martin, b. 07 Sep 1619, Sagrario, SLP.
    3. Juan Sanchez Martinez, b. 27 Feb 1626, Sagrario, SLP.
    4. Antonio Sanchez Martinez, b. 10 Sep 1628, Sagrario, SLP.

    Saludos!
    Manny Diez Hermosillo

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    Hello, Manny.

    You can remove that asterisk! Per Dr. Helguera's notes from a research trip to Aguascalientes: Ags 72/73v. PN 3/2. Poder para testar ante Sesena 26 April 1680. Maria Lopez del Castillo (hija de Juan Alonso de los Hinojos y Beatriz Lopez del Castillo vecinos de SLP) vda de Alonso Martin Mateos.

    I wrote in my notes that she died 9 Oct 1680 AGS per will through son Nicolas via "poder." She was a widow.

    Appreciate all your work. Thanks.

    Regards,
    Mary Lou

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