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While looking at the International Genealogical Index I came across 
an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than his wife 
during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's last name 
only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the mother's 
first name was listed.  I was under the impression an illegitimate 
child never used his father's last name, so this confused me.

I've ordered a copy of the entry from the History Center, but it 
will take weeks for me to receive it.  In the meantime, does anyone 
know if there were strict standards regarding an illegitimate 
child's use of a father's last name?  And also, why would only a  
first name be listed for a mother?  I see this all the time while 
perusing the IGI.  

Thanks,

Alicia

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Hello. I am stuck with a branch of my genealogy and have a doubt 
that maybe some of you may answer. When you think that you found 
your earliest ancestor in Mexico, how do you start your research on 
that line on another country? The reason I am asking this is because 
I cannot find any information on the IGI about my Apodaca ancestors 
in Jalisco before 1784. I know that my ancestor Domingo Apodaca was 
a mestizo married that year and that his parents were Jose Maria 
Apodaca and Paula de Albiano. However, where should I look for info 
about the origin of the parents? Domingo's wife, Gertrudis Bonal, 
was a espanola and I can trace her ancestors back to the beginning 
of the 1700's in Tlajomulco, Jalisco. I know where to look for these 
ancestors. But for my Apodaca line, I just don't know what to do. I 
am planning to check all documents of Domingo's brothers and their 
children to see if I can find a clue about Jose Maria Apodaca and 
Paula de Albiano. Can anyone of you help me

Author 	  Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías, José Luis.

Title Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el
siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales / José Luis Vázquez y
Rodríguez de Frías.

Edition 	1. ed.
Publisher 	Ciudad Juárez, Mexico : Editorial El Labrador, [2001]
Description 	xx, 475 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
Note 	Includes index.
Language 	Spanish
Subject 	 Vasquez family.
	 Rodriguez family.
	 Mexico -- Genealogy.
Format 	Book
Library 	  UC Berkeley   All
==========================================
Author 	  González-Leal, Mariano.

Title Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia : estudios histórica,
antropológico, genealógico y biográfico sobre la población española de
la zona oriental de la Nueva Galicia, desde su establecimiento en la
región hasta nuestros días / por Mariano González-Leal ; prólogo del
Baron de Covadonga.
Publisher [Guanajuato, México] : Universidad de Guanajuato, Centro de
Investigaciones Humanísticas, 1982 [i.e. 1983].

Description 	v.

welcome to the New Members. . .just as a word.

I have little control over the genealogies of the group other than
trusting in the integrity of the membership. That is the reason I insist
on keeping the genealogies in the non-public "files" area or if your
work is on a webpage in the non-public "links" area of the group. I
would discourage you from sending in your work as attachments to the
whole group as was recently the case. . .to do so is done at your own
risk since the archives are public.

Also for the sake of privacy I'd encourage you all to begin with your
grandparents (if they have deceased) and go back from them.

Also I've noticed that we have 71 members but only 60 members of the
Ranchos2 group.

so that means that 11 of you can't access the Ranchos2 "files" area. Try
this:

go to the ranchos "links" area.
go to the link called "Ranchos2"
click on it and see if it takes you to a link for the Ranchos2 files area
if it doesn't send an email to makas@... asking

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From: Deena Ortiz

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 8/8/2004 8:42:30 PM

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Trip to Nochistlan

What would be the best way to travel to

 I for one would never drive it again but it was a good experience to do it once. If you need more detailed driving information I can look it up. The last two times we hired a driver at the airport in Guadalajara. He could make more money in one week as our driver than he could as a shuttle bus driver at the airport for two months. We rented a car and he drove us around to Nochistlan, Tlachichila and surrounding towns. It was great!!

W

Dear Ranchos Group,

I have finished my summer courses and have had time to
sit and sort through some of the information that my
mother brought back to me about a month ago.  She
visited one of her great aunts that still resides in
Sain Alto and obtained some useful information. 

I even got some pictures of my great grandmother
Marcela Castrejon, great aunt Maria Sierra that lived
in Moorpark, California, and my great grandfather,
Pablo Gonzalez Monsivais.  Words can not describe the
joy I felt to have these in my possession.  I can
really see so many features that have been passed on
to me and others in my extended family. I don't have a
scanner but will buy one soon and upload them into the
pictures section for all to see.

All the information is strictly word of mouth and
recollection on the part of my mother's great aunt and
other various relatives.  I plan to seek the documents
to back up the information.  In the meantime, I have
typed up the names of my relatives, some are

Deena,

Do you plan to drive? How long do you plan to travel?
  
I think the trip is somewhat long, but I am not too
sure. If you have never traveled to Mexico by way of
car, then I suggest you visit a AAA office if you are
a member.  

I obtained a book from them and it was very handy when
my husband and I went three years ago.  AAA also gave
us a detailed map of Mexico that I just gave to my
husband's cousin yesterday. He is going to Magdalena ,
Jalisco.  

I looked through the book I have, Mexico Travel Book,
2001 edition by AAA.  It has a map of the highways and
 approximate times between cities.  I calculated the
trip from San Diego to Zacatecas, the capital city, to
be roughly 34-36 hours long, depending on the route.
Depending on the border town you wish to go through. 
This is what the book tells me, however, I have never
traveled this route.

You can travel down the west coast of Mexico to
Mazatlan and cut across to Durango (Mazatlan to
Durango is about 5 and a half hrs) and

What would be the best way to travel to Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico from
southern California?  Can you give me approximate distances and/or hours
involved in each leg of the trip?  I seriously hope to make the trip with my
husband in February/March, 2005, on our way to Oaxaca.

~Deena Ortiz~

thanks to Jonathan Walker:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7016/zacatecas/Address.htm#Index

The state capitol registrars for civil records are listed to assist you
with your research concerning certificates of birth, marriages, or death
of persons from the Republic of México. If the document that you
need is located in another town or village of the Mexican state in
question, you can try to obtain the address for the civil registrar in
the province by writing to one of the state capitols listed below.

To inquiry about a certificate of birth, marriage, or death in any of
the following listed states of the Republic of México, write in Spanish
to the appropriate civil registrar to ask about the fee for searching
your question and obtaining the document needed.

Index

Aguascalientes, Baja California Norte, Baja California Sur, Campeche,
Chiapas, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Colima, Distrito Federal, Durango,
Estado de México, Guanajuato, Guerrero, Hidalgo

This will do for now. I'll look into it. Thanks for your assistance.
 I'll be in touch!!!

Guillermo.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Walker"  
wrote:
> Guillermo,
> 
>  
> 
> You mentioned in a earlier message that your ancestors came form the
> following areas:
> 
>  
> 
> They are mostly from the area of San Jos de Gracia, Atotonilco el 
> Alto, Ocotln, Arandas and the ranchos of Ortiguilla, Ojo de Agua de 
> Latillas, La Muralla, Barranquilla and El Salvador.
> 
>  
> 
> The Family History Library, records for the following areas:
> 
>  
> 
> Mexico, Jalisco, San José de la Gracia
> 
>           Registro Civil:
> 
>  
> 
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.
asp?di
> 
splay=titledetails&titleno=132742&disp=Registros+civiles+del+municipio
+de+Te
> pat> Registros civiles del municipio de Tepatitlán de Morelos, 1866-
1997
> Tepatitlán de Morelos (Jalisco). Registro Civil
> 
>  
> 
> Mexico, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto
> 
>