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Familias Fernández de la Cueva, Ramírez de Prado y Pérez de Guzmán

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Hola a todos, antes que nada les deseó un feliz año nuevo, lleno de mucho éxito y logros.

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Jovenes Agraz y Salas,
Congratulations to both of you for selecting such a taxing but satisfying career, and good luck to each of you as you return to your studies. However I for one will be looking forward to the next break from your studies. I have received generous ideas and pistas from each of you.
Regarding Joseph Brambila: I concede that it is unlikely that he would live to 113. However, I also find it unlikely that the father, even widowed, would agree that his son marry at age 15 when he himself did not marry until age 35. In reviewing the baptisms of the children of Joseph (hijo) with Antonia Ibarra, I find it odd that none of the Padrinos were family members of Joseph; a practice that is common even today. I am beginning to believe that Joseph (hijo) may actually be a younger brother, nephew, or cousin of Joseph (Gusepe) Brambila y Arriaga. I've tried to search the Michoacán records, page by page, with no luck as yet, but will continue.

As for the Coronas; of course I

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Hola Enrique,
Aún no hemos intercambiado mensajes, pero quería comentar lo siguiente sobre la familia de la Cueva (o Fernández de la Cueva). Yo como tú soy joven, cumpliré los 30 pronto. Estoy estudiando medicina, pero en mis pocos ratos libres me gusta investigar las raíces de familiares.
Pero para llegar al tema, como se ha mencionado recientemente, Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva falleció en 1684 en Tecolotlán. Según "Esbozos Históricos de Tecolotlán" de tu tío Gabriel Agraz García de Alba, p. 355, Beltrán fue "el primer de la Cueva que se avecindó en esta población [de Tecolotlán]." Entonces Beltrán debió nacer en otro pueblo.
Como también se ha mencionado, una de las opciones es Etzatlán pues hay un Beltrán Fdz. de la Cueva teniendo hijos con Catalina de Vera
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRYL-CJX) en 1656. Es posible sea el mismo del que estamos hablando y que Tomasina de Velasco haya sido su segunda esposa. O podría ser que fuera que nuestro Beltrán Fernández de la

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Hola Sergio, pues con la noticia que soy tu colega porque también estudio Medicina, apenas pasaré a Cuarto Semestre, es una carrera muy bonita y sí nos quita tiempo pero ese tiempo es bien invertido, felicidades porque escogiste la carrera más humana de todas.

Volviendo al tema de los Fernández de la Cueva, estoy de acuerdo contigo, lo más probable hasta ahora es que sea hijo de Don José Fernández de la Cueva y de Doña Petrona Corona por las fechas ya que José F. de la Cueva casado con Micaela Téllez de Buedo tienen a sus hijos por los mismos años en que Beltrán tuvo a los suyos (Francisco en 1682 y Juan aprox 1683-1684), la muerte de Beltrán fue exactamente el 28 de Mayo de 1684 en Tecolotlán, te dejo el link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-7303-34?cc=1874591&wc=…
Si te fijas al final del acta dice "mando se dijese un novenario cantado por sus padres rezado", supongo que se refiere a que sus padres mandaron que como parte de las ceremonias

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Hola Enrique,
Me da mucho gusto saber que estás estudiando medicina. Es una carrera hermosa aunque demandante. Yo acabo de entrar a mi octavo semestre y estoy empezando mi rotación clínica de cirugía, así que posiblemente no estaré tan activo en el foro por unas semanas. Espero que no pero veremos.
Hoy me gustaría abordar dos temas: 1) De la Cueva y 2) González Corona. Pido paciencia, pues el tema 2 va a ser largo.
1) De la Cueva
Volviendo a ver los datos, asumamos que Beltrán fuera el primogénito de Don José Fernández de la Cueva y de Doña Petrona Corona, (casados 1646) eso quería decir que Beltrán habría nacido cerca de 1647 y fallecido con 37 años de edad (1684), edad joven aún para ese entonces. Claro que es posible. Obviamente necesitamos un documento para encontrar si hay efectivamente una relación y cual es. Pero ahora que veo las fechas de nuevo creo más probable que Don Beltrán haya sido hermano o primo de Don José. De ser así entonces efectivamente pudo haber casado

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Hola Sergio,

Acabo de leer tu mensaje y quiero tomarme mi tiempo para analizar bien la información que presentas, mientras tanto puedo facilitarte algunas datos adicionales:
El Anuario de la Academia de Genealogía y Heráldica "Mota Padilla" de 1955 el cual contiene obras de varios autores, dice así en la página 97:
"Que entre los hijos y herederos que quedaron por fin y muerte de Hernán González Corona y doña Inés de Tapia y Aguayo; quedaron tres menores, que son: Hernán González Corona, mayor de catorce años y menor de veinticinco, y Doña Petrona Corona, mayores de doce años y menores de veinticinco..."

En la misma página:
"En el pueblo de Autlán de la Nueva España en 26 días del mes de noviembre de 1636 años, Cristóbal Manzano, marido y conjunta persona de Doña María Corona, hija legítima de Doña Inés de Tapia y Aguayo y Hernán González Corona, ya difuntos, parezco ante vuesa merced en la mejor vía y forma que a mi derecho convenga, y digo que por fin y muerte de la dicha doña Inés

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Hola Enrique,

Muchas gracias por tu respuesta, que fue de mucha ayuda. Espero tengas tiempo de ver como conectar a Diego Gonzalez Corona (el segundo) con la generacion anterior.

Tambien tengo una pregunta sobre Francisca Corona, mujer de Alvaro Sanchez de Guzman, pero no tengo tiempo de formularla por ahora.

Saludos,

Sergio Salés

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Hola José Ignacio:

La línea de los Brambila y Arriaga es mucho muy interesante, hace algún tiempo abordé a esta familia en otro foro puedes checar detalles en él pero, sigo con la duda de si el primer Brambila en Tecolotlán, José de la Brambila y Arriaga esposo de Doña Antonia Isabel de Guijarro e Ibarra fue hijo de José de la Brambila y Arriaga y de Catalina Lomelín y Peralta o es el mismo, ya que hace tiempo chequé todas las actas de defunción de Tecolotlán para complementar los datos de mis ancestros y dí con un José de la Brambila que había muerto a los 100 años, sin embargo no tengo la fecha porque perdí mis datos que no tenía respaldados y eso fue de lo último que investigué en ese tiempo, aunque es cuestión de volver a buscar. Después investigando más allá dí con un documento que habla de la nobleza de los Brambila en Italia, título que tenía jerarquía de Señor y otorgado por los Duques de Milán.

Sobre Antonia Isabel Guijarro, te proporciono el nombre de sus padres para que

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Estoy muy agradecido por tu generosidad y ademas orgulloso de pertenecer a esta gran Familia de Los Brambila,s y demas Ilustres Familias de Tecolotlan espero con el tiempo y mas experiencia poder aportar algo y compensar en tus atenciones y sin pretender abusar de tu tiempo y espacio de los compañeros , no logro encontrar Datos en mi Rama de los Patiño de mi 5a Abuela Maria Bernardina Ruelas esposo Joseph Guadalupe Patiño Valencia Tecolotlan 1788 Muy agradecido y hasta pronto.

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hola,
Yo tambien desciendo de los Brambila de Tecolotlán, De Alejandro de la
Brambila y Antonia de la Cueva, por un lado y de Agustin y Antonia Gonzalez
por otro.

Muchas gracias por compartir la info, aunque estoy ahorita un poco alejada
de la genealogía, sigo leyendo sus correos y en este me encontré con un
buen regalo de reyes ya que amplian mucho la info que tenía atorada justo
en esa generación!!

2014/1/7

> Hola José Ignacio:
> La línea de los Brambila y Arriaga es mucho muy interesante, hace algún
> tiempo abordé a esta familia en otro foro puedes checar detalles en él
> pero, sigo con la duda de si el primer Brambila en Tecolotlán, José de la
> Brambila y Arriaga esposo de Doña Antonia Isabel de Guijarro e Ibarra fue
> hijo de José de la Brambila y Arriaga y de Catalina Lomelín y Peralta o es
> el mismo, ya que hace tiempo chequé todas las actas de defunción de
> Tecolotlán para complementar los datos de mis ancestros y dí con un José de
> la Brambila que había muerto a

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Hello Mr. Agraz and friends from NR,
I too had seen this burial for Joseph Brambila, Espanol, age 100!, in Tecolotlan.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-6630-14?cc=1874591&wc=…
At the time I assumed family members had exaggerated; but your suggestion that the Josef Brambila married to Catalina Lomelin y Peralta and Antonia Isabel Guijarro Ibarra are actually the same person caused me to investigate further--I believe this is the case!!!
We must assume that Joseph Brambila was one of the youngest children of Augustin Brambila and Gracia Alvarado and would have been born in the late 1630's. His youngest known child with Catalina Lomelin was Joseph, born in 1664.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18433-11375-90?cc=1874591&wc…

This is the Josef Brambila whom we had assumed to be the father of Augustin Brambila, but in reality is most likely his 1/2 brother. Also at the time of Manuel's marriage to Rita Monrroy Quevedo in 1699

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Hola Deedra,

Te escribo en español para hacerlo más rápido y ya que veo que lo entiendes perfectamente.

Has hecho una investigación muy buena respecto a los Brambila y con todos estos datos que me has hecho favor de pasarme, he llegado a nuevas conclusiones por no decir confusiones.

Empecemos por hablar sobre José de la Brambila y Arriaga casado con Catalina de Lomelín y Peralta (al que llamaremos José padre, para diferenciarlo del hijo). La primera referencia que se tiene sobre este matrimonio la encontré en el libro "Familias y Casas de la Vieja Valladolid" por Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga, en el dice: " Ya en 1656 encontramos en la Villa de Zamora, caballeros de este linaje, en ese año el Capitán José de Brambila y Arriaga, natural de la ciudad de México e hijo de D. Agustín de Arriaga y de Da. Gracia de Alvarado, contrajo matrimonio con Da. Catalina de Coria, la que tuvo por padres a D. Manuel de Coria y a Da. Catalina de Lomelín, vecinos del pueblo de Jiquilpan".

Al ver esta

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Jovenes Agraz and Sales,
I am aware that you have returned to your studies, but I wanted to post this while it is still fresh. I was able to locate the Matrimonial Information for this couple. Unfortunately it doesn't really provide any new information, but does add a missing piece to the puzzle.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18592-9249-36?cc=1883388&wc=…

I know you both have Fernando Gonzalez Corona and Angela Caro in your trees, as do many other NR friends. I was bothered by the fact that when her burial in 1710 was listed that the Fernando was not mentioned as her husband.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-6354-11?cc=1874591&wc=…

I believe I have found the reason. I found a Baptism entry for their daughter, Juana Josefa, in Autlan in which it lists Fernando as "Defuncto." It lists her as Angela Rios, but her mother was Petronila Rios as is the Madrina. Unfortunately there are no burial records for that time in Autlan

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Hola José Ignacio, con gusto te respondo tu duda. Primero que nada te proporciono la ascedencia del Dr. Salvador de la Brambila y García de Alba, sus padres fueron Francisco de la Brambila y Téllez de Quevedo y Teresa García de Alba y Santa Ana (ya mencionados),abuelos fueron Alejandro de la Brambila y González de León y Antonia Téllez de Quevedo, bisabuelos fueron Agustín de la Brambila y Guijarro y Antonia González de León Díaz Santa Ana (los padres de Antonia son Antonio González de León y Catalina Díaz-Santa Ana).

Ahora bien, sabes que dicho sacerdote fue bisnieto de nuestro antepasado Agustín de la Brambila y Guijarro (hijo de José de la Brambila y Arriaga y de Antonia Isabel Guijarro e Ibarra, Doña Isabel utilizaba casi siempre el apellido materno pero hace algún tiempo descubrí su primer apellido). Con esto podrás entroncarlo con tu árbol porque no sé de cuál de todos los hijos de Agustín y Antonia desciendas.

En referencia a los padrinos de bautismo del Dr. Salvador, se

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Hi Deedra, I hope you're fine and happy new year. I think I have good news for you, Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga, wife of Beltrán de la Cueva, the same as the Tomasina de Velasco married to Matías Girón. The way you can prove is by checking this dispensa:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-32636-9?cc=1874591&wc=…

The witnesses provide a family tree and at the top of it, Francisco de Velasco's name is written (Francisco de Velasco y Temiño, married to Gerónima de la Cueva). Francisco 's sons in this case are Diego Muñóz de Velasco married to Juana Casillas de Híjar and Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga (aka as Velasco y Quevedo, not sure why she appears in one document with the Quevedo?). Well finally the dispensa is about the marriage of Diego's grandson, Francisco de Velasco, and Tomasina's greatgrandaughter, Catarina Girón. With this document you can confirm Tomasina's parents and by checking the dates of the baptisms of her only child with Matías Girón

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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez espero no desviarlos mucho de el tema de los Ramirez Prado y de la Cueva mi pregunta es para todos. y en especial para el Joven Agraz, no logro enlazar mi rama de los Brambila con el Doctor Don Salvador de la Brambila Garcia de Alba .sus Padres Don Francisco de la Brambila y Arriaga y Doña Lugarda Teresa Garcia de Alba sus Padrinos Don Juan Antonio Gonzalez de Leon y Doña Catalina Diaz de Santana mis Abuelos en 8vo grado. los anteriores padres de Doña Catalina Gonsalez de Leon Diaz de Santana esposa de Agustin de la Brambila de Ibarra mis Abuelos en 7mo grado gracias. y que tengan un año lleno de bendiciones.

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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez Muchas gracias Salvador, estas en lo cierto los padrinos son otros personajes y en cuanto a Isabel de Ibarra ya me tenia loco te agradesco esa informacion de los Guijarro y todo lo que aportas a nuestras investigaciones de Agustin de la Brambila deciendo de Juaquin de la Brambila y Maria Thereza Diaz de Santana y en orden decendiente
Maria Francisca de la Brambila Diaz Santana y Nicolas Crisanto Gomez de Aguilar y Quijas
Maria Eusevia Lugarda Gomez de Aguilar de La Brambila y Joseph Bernardino Fregoso de Ocampo

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Querido Enrique,
Ramírez de Prado
Que bueno que te tenemos de vuelta en el foro, te extrañé bastante. Un joven brillante, genio y pasionado por la genealogía. Que bueno que estás aquí amigo. Acerca de los datos de los Ramírez de Prado, D. Guillermo Tovar de Teresa y yo abodamos una investigación bien extensiva en los dos últimos años. Fué la última que trabajamos juntos y tengo varios documentos que me pasó y algunos que encontré que aun deven ser analizados, transcriptos y publicados. Últimamente, no he podido dedicarme mucho tiempo en el tema, más planeo continuar e publicar lo que encontramos sobre los Ramírez de Prado. Micaela García de Rivas también es conocida como Micaela García Montero. Lo que yo y Guillermo, se estuviese aquí, poderíamos decir que de facto es que la nobleza de los Ramírez de Prado de la Nueva Galicia está bien probada e documentada. Fue un éxito llena de alegría. que descubierto. Pérez de Guzmán
Pérez de GuzmánSobre los Pérez de Guzmán, D. Guillermo quería

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Great to hear from you, and Happy New Year!
I too have Francisco Beltran Cuevas as an 8th G Grandfather. The only information I may add is the burial:
28 May, 1684
Film 1154599
Image 32
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-7303-34?cc=1874591&wc=…
(Curiously, your pariente, Antonio Agras, married to Josefa Tomasa Velasco, is listed just below)

I actually posted a question about 2 weeks ago regarding the possibility of Tomasina Velasco possibly being the same Tomasina Velasco Quevedo married to Matias Lara Xiron?

Deedra Corona

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Hi Deedra,

Good to hear from you. (Por favor disculpen que no use acentos o la nh, pero la computadora en la que estoy no me lo permite.)

After Enrique provided the piece above about how to connect Tomasina de Velasco with the Giron family, I realized it cleared up another puzzle in my tree.

There is another dispensa, this one for Manuel Gonzalez de Leon and Maria Gomez de Contreras in 1716 in Tecolotlan. Frustratingly it diagrammed the relationship very neatly but did not use names for how Manuel and Maria were related. HOWEVER, with the piece Enrique put it in, it is now clear to me that the dispensa was investigating the same link: Tomasina de Velasco as the link between the Velasco family and the Giron Family. The dispensa starts a few images before, but I am sendign the link for the family tree.

You can find it here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-13893-83?cc=1874591&wc…

So, between the two dispensas, Tomasina de Velasco had to be

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Thank you for your help. My husband is a direct descendant of Thomasina Velasco via Juan Beltran Cuevas and Maria Velasco and Juan Gomez-Garcia via their son Joseph to Rogue; and through Pedro through daughter, Feliciana. Thank you for the link to the 1716 Dispensa. However, when I am reading it I believe it to show that Francisco Velasco and Maria Velasco y Zuniga are the siblings. The top relationship says "Vis Abuelo of Pretenso------Abuela of Pretensa"

I interpret the tree as follows:
Francisco Velasco-Termino----Brother/Sister----Maria Velasco-Zuniga
Thomasina Velasco Quevedo----------------------Pedro Gomez-Garcia
Josefa Xiron-----------------------------------Maria Gomez-Garcia
Manuel Gonzales de Leon

But in viewing the ages of the cousins it would appear that Maria's children are of a similar age to Thomasina's and Diego's and I believe that your assumption that Maria and Thomasina are actually sisters may be correct.

With this Dispensa I now have 9 children for Pedro and

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Hi Deedra,

Yes, you are correct that the dispensa says that the first two people are brother and sister. And so there would have to be two Francisco de Velasco (one would be Francisco de Velasco y Temino, father father second who would then be a Francisco de Velasco y Zuniga), and the younger Francisco de Velasco would be the father of another Tomasina de Velasco.

The main problem is that I don't know of any addition proof that there were two Franciscos de Velasco in Tecolotlan, or two Tomasinas de Velasco. In addition, the younger Francisco would have had to get married early, and have his daughter get married very early.

Chronologically having only one Tomasina makes more sense. But then we know in genealogy doesn't always make sense

Sergio Salés

LOMELLINI: Fundamentos Mexicanos

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Primeramente, me parece que declaraciones formales u oficiales de datos importantes de esta índole deben informar y ayudar a todos nuestros primos que tengan el apellido Lomelín/Lomelí/Lomellini en

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MUCHÍSIMAS GRACIAS!
Por cosas de la vida no puedo investigar tanto como yo quisiera y se queda todo
dormido y tocado muy poco hasta que alguien tan amable me anima lanzarme de nuevo en mis
investigaciones que hecho de menos. Gracias otra vez primo Paco.
Espero que la gente se da cuenta de tu amabilidad y agradezca que has tomado el tiempo para
escribir todo.

Saludos,
Sofia

Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Lun, 2014-02-03 10:49 | Enlace permanente

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FANTASTIC I think that this is a great idea of yours. Thank you so much for doing this. So many people keep asking for the information that you are providing. There is great interest out there. The information on the family records reinforce my contention that Carlo was born earlier than 1584.
Please don't forget Luis Lomeli. It took me well over thirty years to find out that I descend from Luis Lomellin. Many people from Los altos de Jalisco also descend from him, but just don't know it. I know of at least two other people from this nuestros ranches community that have stated that they descend from him. I will post how I descend from Luis Lomellini soon. This will help others realize that they too descend from him.
Thanks again Steve for your tremendous work. An even bigger thanks for sharing your work.

R A Ricci

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No se preocupe mi Rick que todavía no termino este proyecto. Tengo muy en mente a Luis de Lomelín (Luigi Lomellini), sé muy bien a quien te refieres. Lo tengo a él y a su esposa María del Olmo, y sus hijos. Para los que no saben, Luis de Lomelín y María del Olmo fueron antepasados de Miguel Hidalgo-Costilla y Gallaga-Mandarte, Padre la Independencia de México. Más sobre ellos cuando les llegue su turno.

Recuerden: Esto fue solo la primera parte de mis aportes, después comentaré sobre otros Lomellini en México, otros en Madeira y Brasil, otros en España, y por supuesto la larga historia della famiglia nobile di Lomellini della Repubblica di Genova.

Esta última parte será la más detallada y completa historia de gli Lomellini genovese…pero en español. Las fuentes están en italiano, y poco a poco las estoy buscando, reuniendo, leyendo, analizando, transcribiendo, y traduciendo al español. Me atrevo a decir que muy, pero muy pocos, se han metido a explorar estas fuentes-archivos

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Muchas! Gracias Compañero. CapitanPaco. es usted muy Gentil.sobre todo por tomar en cuenta mi humilde participación. en este gran foro estoy a sus ordenes Atte Ignacio Anaya Gomez.

ALGUIEN PODRIA PROPORCIONARME EL ESCUDO DE ARMAS DE JUAN MICHEL??

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QUE TAL, BUENAS TARDES A TODOS, HE ESTADO EN BUSQUEDA CONSTANTE DE INFORMACION SOBRE LA FAMILIA MICHEL Y RAICES, EN ESTE MOMENTO BUSCO EL ESCUDO DE ARMAS OTORGADO POR EL REY DE ESPAÑA EN EL AÑO 1564

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Yo lo tengo, pasame tu correo para poder enviártelo. Yo también investigo el apellido Michel, por si tienes información que puedas enviarme, te lo agradecería mucho...

Yaomautzin Olvera

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Hola Yaomautzin,
Te agradeceria mucho si pudieras enviarmelo ya que también somos parientes por dicha familia.
El apellido me llega por Justa maria Michel Lopez-Buezo esposa de Lorenzo Preciado.
No sé como checar la lista de correos hace tiempo si sabía pero hace poco trate de meterme y ya no pude, así que dime de que manera puedo hacertelo llegar ya que no veo que los publiquen en los posts publicos
Gracias de antemano,
Enrique Agraz

testaments aguascalientes aguascalientes

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Hi

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Ola,saludos a todos: Desciendo de Juan Sotelo casada en Aguascalientes con Maria Gonzalez, mi ascendiente se fue a Leon, Guanajuato y alli caso tres veses, el usa el apellido Masias y una señora de apellido Siordia Medina,Masias, Valdivia,llamada Luisa, en su testamento lo menciona como su sobrino, no detallo bien el nombre y apellido de Luisa por no tener esa informacion a la mano,la tengo en un archivo empaquetado y guardado por razon de haber cambiado de domicilio, proximamente les hare llegar los nombres correctos. Me apunto por si consiguen el testamente de Juan Sotelo.

ATENTAMENTE

JOSE DE JESUS BARBA ORNELAS

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Denise Fastrup
Muchas gracias Jose!
Your information links Juan sotelo to the Siordia name, which i understand was not a common name at that time. Judging from Ramons recent reply, the documents i need will come back online (hopefully soon). Perhaps then i will be able to piece together the relationships. One question for you: have you seen any information about where juan sotelo was boen?

Regards,
Denise

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Ola,saludos a todos: Desciendo de Juan Sotelo casada en Aguascalientes con Maria Gonzalez, mi ascendiente se fue a Leon, Guanajuato y alli caso tres veses, el usa el apellido Masias y una señora de apellido Siordia Medina,Masias, Valdivia,llamada Luisa, en su testamento lo menciona como su sobrino, no detallo bien el nombre y apellido de Luisa por no tener esa informacion a la mano,la tengo en un archivo empaquetado y guardado por razon de haber cambiado de domicilio, proximamente les hare llegar los nombres correctos. Me apunto por si consiguen el testamente de Juan Sotelo.

ATENTAMENTE

JOSE DE JESUS BARBA ORNELAS

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Ramon Baez: ¿And you're sure that Juan Sotelo, leave last will? ¿say that in her death certificate?
There is a web site of government of Aguascalientes, where they have many files in Commercial and legal Affairs: http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/seggob/acervodigital/bienvenido…
I also looking for a Last Will of 1659 in Aguascalientes: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21444 . I hope you serve the link. Regards

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Thanks Ramon! I'll check it out. Yes the record of death does mentiona a testamento, which he signed before the alcalde mayor and his escribano, here is a link to the image in case you or anyone else is curious:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-149211-65?cc=1502404…

I don't understand everthing in it, but I get the impression he was a man of means.

Regards
Denise

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Hi Ramon

I have been to the website and it does have some good stuff! However, the links do not work. Maybe it is just my computer. Could you go to this link, click on Ver Documento for Nicolas de Esparza (testamento) and see if it will take you to the image of the document? None of the links worked for me (I tried several).

http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/seggob/acervodigital/notarial.a…

Regards,
Denise

ps I thought I had saved links (bookmarked) several interesting entries, but it turns out all the bookmarks I made only take me to the first page, and there are 350pages, of which I had skimmed through the first 100 or so....Domingo Ruiz de Esparza turned up a lot, but I also saw links to the testaments for both Juana Siordia and Maria Siordia, and cases involving Antonio Femat...have not yet found the testament for Juan Sotelo.

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Hi Denise,

I know it's been a while since your original post, but in case you don't have this resource:

Go to: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

To log-in:
User Name: sigue.publica
Password: publica

Once the page opens, right-click on SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO-ACERVOS COLONIALES SIGLOS XVII XIX (if you're on a Mac, double-finger click)

Then select "New Query."

Once the page opens, in the dropbox that says LUGAR, select Aguascalientes.

Then, in the dropbox that says "TIPO DOCUMENTAL," select TESTAMENTO.

Type in the name of your ancestor in the field that says 'CONTRATANTES" and click submit. If your ancestor's name doesn't appear, try different spellings, or don't enter a name at all, and click "submit," the entire list will open and you can scan through it.

I hope that helps. Good luck!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

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Thanks Manny and Arturo for the tips! However, my laptop won't cooperate...So I hope another researcher interested in the Sotelos will check out the will Juan Sotelo left! I can only get as far as New Query - at which point the Query page will not open.

Regards
Denise

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Hello Denise et al

Some time ago I had already searched for information in this site and at that time somehow I was able to browse through the files succesfully (serendipity), yesterday I visited the site again and I wouldn´t have had succes had I not seen the tip Armando gave us.

I looked for Juan Sotelos will and it seems to me that it is not available, it doesn´t appear, well, I forgot trying "JUAN ARIAS" maybe that could bring some results.

I did see a document dated on 1654 concerning one Sotelo but it is not Juan, it is a lease contract between Don Francisco de Sotelo and a Mr. Quixas : Mr Quixas is reported as the owner of two houses with orchards and he rents them to Mr. Sotelo; they agree on the price and time frame, etc.. I saw many documents listed containing interesting lastnames as Ruíz de Esparza and Siordia, etc. but most of them are dated in the mid 1700´s.

Juan´s last will must be somewhere and somebody will find it sonner or later, however, another very important

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son of Diego Arias Sotelo and Maria Manuel de Portugal?

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Has anyone else come across a child of Diego Arias Sotelo and Maria Manuel de Portugal? Is that what this Diego named below is? The information below came from PARES

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Denise

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I have seen the image of the original document, and even though I did not understand much of it, I did see the name Diego Arias de Sotelo, and the name Maria Manuel (not Manuela) in the document.

Also, I found a book scanned in about the noble families of Spain, from 1622, with details of the Torres y Portugal Family. It names Maria a sister of Ferdinand de Portugal, tesorero, who went to Mexico, and it also names Maria Manuel de Portugal as his daughter.

So I am still confused...

Here is the link to the book
Nobiliario genealogico de los reyes y titulos de España ...
By Alonso López de Haro

http://books.google.dk/books?id=AKr0u4RvQr0C&pg=PA215&dq=tesorero+ferna…

p. 215 (of the book, not the number of the Google images) has the info on Maria Manuel de Portugal and Ferdinand.

Regards
Denise

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Carlos Peredo

Hello Denise

I don´t see the confusion, I mean:

Now we know that Diego Arias Sotelo married around 1550 to Leonor de Moctezuma y Valderrama and then before 1559 to María Manuel.

This lady was a descendant of Pedro I de Portugal (and very probably of the "Infante Juan Manuel" also)

Her complete last name chronologically arranged should have been: Villarroel (his father´s) and Portugal Torres Fajardo Manuel (her mother´s line)

She was first cousin to Fernando de Torres y Portugal First Count of Villar Donpardo and Virrey del Perú en 1584

She had a brother whose name was also Fernando de Portugal who was chrged "Tesorero de la Armada de la Cd. de México"

Her cousin Fernando took María´s son, Diego to Perú and this nephew was one of the causes that forced the Virrey to quit his high post and return to Spain.

So Don Diego Arias Sotelo married twice into high nobility : first into the Royal Aztec blood and then into the Francs blood because María Manuel was the fifth

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Thanks Carlos, it makes more sense to me now after i read your summary!

The picture i get from the documents i PARES is that at least two of diego arias children lived in mexico city, cristobal and diego. So i'm thinking that maybe that was true of Petronila. Their residence at tarimbaro during the processo against the arias de sotelo brothers was perhaps then only a temporary event. So i will shift my focus to the mex city documents and PARES!

Also, i think very few can now doubt that Petronila was the daughter of Diego Arias de Sotelo and Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma, so the search for a primary source is no waste of time...the information is out there somewhere...

Regards
Denise

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Carlos Peredo

Hi Denise

In my opinion the Sotelos stayed a good deal of time in Michoacan (when they were allowed to); for instance during the trial about the "Conspiracy of the Encomenderos" Diego Arias Sotelo is given seven days to show up in Mexico City from his encomienda de Tarímbaro and in case he couldn´t make it he was to be fined a very heavy amount of money.

Then during the trial Diego asks for permission of (I kind of remember) 6 weeks to stay in Tarímbaro and then asks for a renewal of the requested permision alleguing that His health continues to be weak. Moreover, when he is in Mexico City he is allowed to stay in his brother in law´s house (The Treasurer Fernando de Torres Portugal) instead of being in jail, so maybe he didn´t have a permanent house in México City.

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Carlos

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Hi Carlos

I had also seen the reference to Tarimbaro you refer, and that it why i struggled to read the oldest records I could find from Morelia. There is surely more information there than I could decipher. The little I found I have presented in NR, where i recognized the same don Fernando sotelo and the name tarimbaro. We know from The Encomendero's of New Spain that Fernando took over as encomendero of Ecatepec in 1568 when his father Diego Arias Sotelo had to go into exile. About Tarimbaro i do not know, except that the reference to it which i found mentions something about it having been sold. You can take a look at the posts on it, with link to the image, here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21270 LINK TO THE THREAD ABOUT TARIMBARO

The story of the Sotelo Family i find dramatic, think of the distances they covered, from spain to Mexico to peru and back and forth. I have a theory or really just speculation that Maria Manual, once Diego was exiled in 1568, would have moved

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Hi Carlos and anyone descended from tesorero Fernando de Portugal, his sister Maria (second wife of Diego Arias Sotelo) or his other sister Catalina,

I transcribed the relevant passages from the Nobiliario genealogico, which gives the specifics about how they descend from the royal houses of Spain and Portugal.

What I found interesting is the mention of the Faxardo Family, from Murcia. The reason I find it interesting is because when Diego Arias Sotelo was exiled, he sent a letter from Mula, very close to Murcia (he was otherwise supposed to be rowing a galley off Oran on the coast of Algeria). So maybe the reason he did not end up on a galley was that he had family in high places (through his wife). I found this quote from the article Bastardía, Aristocracia y Ordenes Militares en la Castilla Moderna: El Linaje Fajardo (Juan Hernandez Franco and Raimundo A. Rodriguez Pérez, Hispania, Vol 69, No 232 (2009):331-362):
"Adelantados hay mucho en España, los principales son tres, el de

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Basques In the Americas from 1492 to 1892

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Focused on the contributions of the Basques in the New World, this may prove useful to those exploring their Basque roots in Zacatecas and beyond.

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Thank you for posting this. It is very informative. Since the author is
including people from Navarra/Nafarroa then Martín Navarro de Gabay,
husband of Petronila Moctezuma, and Lope Ruíz de Esparza y Eguinoa could
have been included.

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Armando,
I don't see the link to the book, if you could kindly send me the link I would be very appreciative. Speaking on the subject about Basque and Martín de Gabay, "el Navarro" as he was nicknamed. Their may be a jewish connection with the British Isles as to the lineage of the Gabay family, but this needs to be elaborated further and necessary documents need to be found.
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

100 años del apellido ARAIZA ene l norte de Mexico

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En el 2015 se cumpliran el primer siglo de vida del apellido ARAIZA en el estado de Chihuahua, al menos con mis cercanos.

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Hola Ruben,

Tengo la linea de los Araiza bastante acompletada desde principios del siglo XVII hasta el siglo XIX. Seguramente tus antepasados son descendientes de una de las lineas.

Sabes cuando nacio Jose Valentin de Araiza? Tengo tres Santiagos de Araiza, pero todos son del siglo XVIII. Uno caso en 1723 en Guadalajara, otro en 1767 en Autlan, Jalisco, el tercero en 1785 en Ejutla, Jalisco.

Probablemente sean demasiado tempranos como para ser abuelos en 1860. Dame mas datos y vemos si podemos avanzar.

Saludos,
Sergio Salés

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Ruben ARAIZA PORRAS...efectivamente hay varios Santiago Araiza por los años 1800 en adelante en el estado de Aguascalientes. Al menos los que ppudieran estar relaciondos directamente a mis antecesores. Tambien hay gran cntidad de Juan ARAIZA que nos confunden. Revisando las actas he podido observar qeu hubo dobles matrimonios y muchos hijos naturales. El que me interesa encontrar es Valentin Araiza Piña de aproximadamente 1780, casado con Maria Luisa Montes y padre de Jose De Los Santos Araiza (1829, Asientos) y abuelo de Gregorio Araiza De La Riva (1863, Asientos). Este último es quien llegóa CAMARGO, CHIHUAHUA en 1915.
Valentin Araiza tuvo mas hijos e hijas con Maria Luisa Montes

Jose Valentin era hijo de Martin Araiza y Catarina Piña...

Tambien procreo a varios hijos e hijas con Petra Ovalle alla por los años 1805.

Agradeceré y compartire la informacion recibida. Saludos desde la ciuad de Chihuahua.
Gregorio Araiza De La Riva es mi bisabuelo e hijo de Jose De Los Santos Araiza

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FW: Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Huns Connection to Hungary (Haplogroup N)

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Contact Angel directly at angelrcervantes@gmail.com if you would like the
attachment

From: Angel R.

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Contact Angel at angelrcervantes@gmail.com if you would like the attachment

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:47 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Huns Connection to Hungary
(Haplogroup N)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic
Genealogy: The Huns Connection to Hungary (Haplogroup N). If you would like
to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on Hungary then
this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on
February 7 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Osher program.
The class number is 19402.

To register for this Osher class:

* Call: 505-277-0077, press option 1
* In person: M-F, 8:00am - 5:00pm,
1634 University Blvd. NE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Best Regards,

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA

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Looking for relatives from the 1800's with the last name Ysordia from El Grullo, Jalisco

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Hi, I trying to find relatives with the last name Ysordia from El Grullo, Jalisco. Especially related to Maria Pilar Ysordia from the 1800's.

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Is it possible that the name could be Osorio? That name is fairly common in the area of El Grullo, Ejutla, Union de Tula. Personally I've never heard the name Ysordia. Good Luck
Deedra Corona

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I have Ysordia in the records from Tamazula, Jalisco from 1775 to abt 1850. I don't know what you asked but there is such a surname.
Linda in B.Cl

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Is it possible that the name could be Osorio?  That name is fairly common in the area of El Grullo, Ejutla, Union de Tula.  Personally I've never heard the name Ysordia.  Good Luck
Deedra Corona

Where else to look for the marriage record of Rafael Luna and Maria del Refugio Gomez in Ahualulco de Mercardo, Jalisco

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Hi, I'm new to the group and hope that someone can tell me where else to look for the marriage record of Rafael Luna and Maria del Refugio.

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I mistakenly put the wrong town for where the marriage of Rafael Luna and Maria del Refugio Gomez took place. It was at El Sagrario, Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico, on 8 July 1839. I have checked the parish registers (on FamilySearch) and the Información matrimonial.

Denise Switzer

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Hi Denise,

Did you try starting the Info Matrimonial at least 2 months before the date of the wedding? I have often even found information as early as 6 months before the wedding took place. And if there was the need for a Dispensa (special permission to marry issued by the Bishop) the couple had to apply to Guadalajara and it sometimes took some time.

There are a couple of sites with dispensa information. Just google for guadalajara dispensas. One is coordinated by Claudia Casillas, the other by Kathy Brecht Quesada.

Hope this helps!

Sergio Salés

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Thank you, Sergio. I did look in the Info Matrimonial and went back a full year from the date of the marriage. Thank you for suggesting the dispensa information sites. I'll be looking at them next.

New to the group

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Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes

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Message from Peggy Delgado scooterpie1968@...

Hi Monica!! Welcome to the group!    Peggy Delgado

Mónica wrote:


Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is
true?

Thank you,
Monica




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My name is Denise Fortier Switzer and I have been actively involved in
genealogy research for the past 22 years but am new to doing research in Mexico.  I'm working on the following surnames:  Luna, Gomez, Olivera,
Siordia, Diaz, Jimenez/Ximenes, Falcon and German.  These families lived in Autlan de Navarro, Ahualulco de Mercado, and Guatalajara, all in Jalisco.  I'm very grateful to have been allowed to join this group and look forward to being an active member.

Denise

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Denise, Welcome to the group. I have several lines in Guadalajara and Autlán de Navarro. Please send me what you have so far and when I have extra time, I can see how I can help with your ancestry. If you need any assistance please feel free to ask away. I have a decade of experience in research.
Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSan José, CA

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Denise,

Welcome to the group!

I also have lines in Autlan, Ahualulco and Guadalajara.

Let me know if you have more specific questions. Though I am not related (so far) to the Siordia line, I do have some of them in my files because they married into the family.

Diaz is a common last name, but I have some info on it.

Good luck!

Sergio Salés

alguien tiene informacion

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de Juan (Johan) de FRIAS Bardal y de Alfonsina de la PAZ (Rivera de la Paz) casados en Tlatenango, Zac.

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1630-04-30 Juan Frías Vandal casado con Alfonsina de la Paz, españoles hijos vecinos del pueblo de Tlaltenango. padrinos: Juan de Miramontes y Melchora de los Reyes, vecinos del pueblo.

Fueron también padrinos de matrimonio de Francisco Robles y Francisca Diaz en 1637-03-05.

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Thank you Arturo Ramos, it was great to make contact with you and learned about your other book, which I just purchase.

Do you happened to have or direct me to the Informacion Matrimonial the Juan Frias y Alfonsina de la Paz?

I need it to confirm some important data.

Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes

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Dear Members:

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Mexico Census Records

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Does anyone know if there are 17th and 18th century census lists of haciendas in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and Jalisco?

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This is a very tricky situation because any line that is not espanol I find will have a good chance of eventually dying out. The records were just not well documented. I have two indio lines and I am fortunate that with one of them to go up to the late 1600s. I have found out, like you said a dead end. It is sad, but we got to just keep trying to do our best to locate any record or piece of documentation we can.
Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSan José, CA

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Some parishes have some padrones in that time period. Have you checked Lymann Platt's book on census records? There may be some for the the ones you are looking for.

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Does anyone know if there are 17th and 18th century census lists of haciendas in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and Jalisco?  I have reached a dead end in searching for Aguayos in San Jose de Gracia, Aguascalientes at about 1800.  Since some of my ancestors are listed as indios, I thought I may be able to find them listed on haciendo roles, if such a thing exists.

Ma Calletana Duran Chaves

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Buenas Noches,

Alguien podría ayudarme a leer el documento que sigue:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15671-17766-29?cc=1804458&wc…

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Bautismo de Maria Calletana, hija legítima, de 6 días. Nochistlán, 15 de agosto de 1858.
Padres: Juan Duran y Fernanda Chaves.
Abuelos paternos: Atilano Duran y Juana Marques.
Abuelos maternos: dijeron no conocerlos.
Padrinos: Atanasio Muños y Serapia Duran

Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro

Estancias de Nochistlan

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Do you have a list of the La Estancias ... in and around Nochistlan?

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

Charles, there is one called "La Estancia" and another is "La Estancia de Luis de Velazco", in addition to "La Estancia de los Delgadillos," which I sent to you earlier.

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Alicia,

Do you still have access to the last book you mentioned? I am researching my Duran family lineage.

Rosalva Jordan

Duran Family

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Hello. I just started researching my family history and was wondering if you have any of my relatives in your family tree.

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Hi Rosalva,

Using the information you provided last November, I was able to find Ismael's and Soledad's babtismal certificte in Tlachichila. Ismael was babtized on Nov. 5, 1911 and was born in El Ojo de Agua ( my great grandmother mentioned being from El Ojo de Agua) while Soledad was babtized June 4, 1916 and she was born in Ventanillas. Check out the following links for these babtismal certificates:

Ismael :

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-1970-10?cc=1804458&wc=…

Soledad link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-4859-28?cc=1804458&wc=…

In the process of following this genealogy, I've determined that we are related. I had a pretty good idea that we were based on the Duran, Ruiz, and Olmos last names listed on your profile. I can take your Duran genealogy back another 4 generations past Cruz Duran (Jose Cruz Duran Chavez). We are probably related multiple times over, but this is the first link I have found.

I

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Juan,

Do you have any of the following names in your family:

Martin Ruiz (maternal grandfather) wife: Gregoria Valdez

Parents:
Eduardo Ruiz (maternal great grandfather) wife: Anastacia Hinojosa

Sibbling names: Hipolito, Marcial, Victor, Aleja (Alejandra???)

Rosalva

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Juan,

I found my grandmother's baptism record that referenced her marriage to my grandfather, Delfino Duran on the top right page 77.

With that information, I was able to find their "Acta de Matrimonio" document showing parents names. Please see below for the links.

https://familysearch.org/das/v2/TH-1-15186-3856-9/$dist?ctx=CrxCtxPubli…, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15186-3856-9?cc=1804458&wc=M…

https://familysearch.org/das/v2/TH-1-15191-10603-12/$dist?ctx=CrxCtxPub…, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-10603-12?cc=1804458&wc…

Saludos,

Rosalva Jordan

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Hello friends

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Manuscrito de uno de los hijos de Jose Ana Gutierrez (25 Jul 1815)

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Por aqui en el Foro no hace mucho me tope con un tema donde alguien comentaba tener algunos manuscritos de uno de los hijos de Jose Ana Gutierrez donde narraba sus vivencias desde la infancia con sus

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Salvador: estos son los datos de El..

Jose Ana Gutierrez
Nacido el 25 Jul 1815 "El Tule" San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco
Bautizado el dia 28 Jul 1815 en San Juan de Los Lagos
Caso con Maria Canuta Padilla el dia 1 Oct de 1839 en Jalostotitlan
Murio al dia 30 Nov 1900

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