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These are the only people I found in Jalisco with the same surnames the
same as the ones you're searching for in Jalisco.

Jose Maria Gutierrez Camarena

Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950

christening:
17 March 1901 San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
residence:
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico father: Gabino Gutierrez
mother: Candelaria
Camarena
Maria Silviana Gutierrez
Camarena

Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening: 12 February 1900 San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de
Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico residence:
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico father: Camilo Gutierrez
mother: Maria
Camarena
Maria De Los Angeles Gutierrez
Camarena

Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening: 4 October 1886 La Inmaculada Concepción, San Diego de
Alejandría, Jalisco, Mexico residence:
San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco, Mexico father: Guadalupe Gutierrez
mother: Maria Refugio Camarena
Ma Ysabel Gutierrez De
Camarena

Mexico, National Census, 1930
birth: 1908

Stuart Armstrong

The C. stands for "ciudadano". (citizen).

"Natural" USUALLY means natural child, that is, born out of wedlock or father unknown, or in some cases neither parent is known.

Depending on context, "natural" may also mean native of, same as "originario".

Some records abbreviate M (Mujer) or H (Hombre) in the margin of the record. This can be helpful when the other gender indicators in the text are unclear.

Hi Denise,

A book that has helped me a lot with deciphering the abbreviations is by Nancy Ellen Carlberg and is titled "Beginning Mexican Research".

I purchased this at a convention last year and it has been quite helpful.

Kristine

Stuart Armstrong
Yes, many times a woman goes by more than one name. Or parts of her full name. Her full name could be Antonia Catalina Avila Cid. But don't jump to that as the only solution. People changed or modified their names often, so that in later records you may not recognize the same person found in earlier records. I have several instances of females having as many as seven different surnames in various records, along with several variations of their given names. Whether it was that they had decided to be known by different names, or that the informants were not well informed, is hard to tell. I can certainly relate to your dilemma trying to decide if the two names belong to the same person.
Name variations seem to be more common with women than men. Perhaps it was because of the culture of the times, that the women were often not present at the christenings of their children, being "churched" or recovering from childbirth, and those present may have known her by her

It's not uncommon for a person to be referred to with two different names.
i.e. Juan Antonio Carlos's parents are Jose Carlos and Maria Carrillo. He can be referred to as either Juan Carlos or Antonio Carrillo. I've seen this many times.

Jose Carlos de Leon

I believe these are two different women-- wives of the same man. I'm sure someone recording the vital information perhaps mixed up the names sometimes, but I don't think there is only one woman. What makes you think so?

Como siempre digo en esta área de estudio, requiere comprobar las informaciones con documentos fidedignos. Hemos encontrado muchísimos, sí, innumerables errores en estos sitios genealógicos de personas que colocan datos erróneos. Aunque, sin duda siempre es bueno por curiosidad comparar las informaciones nos puede dar una pista o por lo menos una dirección en abordar el tema. No estoy diciendo que están incorrecto TODAS las informaciones en esos sitios, mas para mi hasta que tengo un documento en mi mano que lo dice, lo establece y lo compruebe ahí se convierte en escritura. Debemos ser muy cuidadosos en las reconstrucciones de estos árboles genealógicos. Documento por documento, acta por acta, línea por línea, vínculo por vínculo. A los pocos podremos recopilar información suficiente para establecer las genealogías.

Solamente un pensamiento y suerte,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Yo soy pariente de Victoriano Ramírez López “El Catorce”. El Catorce fue hijo de Carlos Ramírez y de Viviana López. He investigado muy a fondo su genealogía ya que estamos emparentados por el apellido López de los Reyes. La madre de El Catorce, Viviana López Zavala (nac. 04 de diciembre de 1864, San Miguel el Alto), fue hija de Francisco López Maciel y de María de Jesús Zavala Rocha (casados el 19 de febrero de 1851, San Miguel el Alto). Francisco López Maciel (nac. 24 de febrero de 1828/bap. 3 de marzo de 1828, Guadalajarita, San Miguel el Alto) fue hermano entero de mi tatarabuelo Inocencio López Maciel (nac. 3 de enero de 1838/bap. 7 de enero de 1838, El Rancho del Alto, San Miguel el Alto). Francisco e Inocencio López Maciel fueron hijos de don José Feliciano López Vásquez y de doña María Guadalupe Maciel Villalpando, quienes se casaron el 20 de agosto de 1821 en Jalostotitlán, previa una dispensa de consanguinidad en tercer grado igual.

Todas mis investigaciones de

I was the other person related to Francisco Acosta and Teresa Pedrosa
through my 4xGGrandfather Nazario Ponce, the Grandson of Micaela Pedroza.
If someone finds out who there parents are please let me know.

Mia

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> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
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> Hi?Paige and Armando
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> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion
> because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the
> parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they
> are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about
> this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re
> message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information
> on who their parents might be. I think

 
Hi Alicia,
 
I descend from them on my mother's side, so I don't know whether it would solve the puzzle. Plus, I descend from the other Pedroza's and Acosta's on my father's side and I'm not familiar enough with DNA to know whether it would help or whether my other Acosta and Pedroza connections would just confuse the situation. Armando probably could better answer that question.
 
Chris
 

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From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza

Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by DNA?

Alicia

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From: IChristopher
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza

Hi Paige and Armando

I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this

I'm wondering if it was in reference for "cross-eyed"?

Jose Carlos de Leon

Guadalupe Correa Diaz was my great grandfather and I am stucked in that line. Although you gave me a tip with miguel orozco tatarabuelos. I will enriched this thread after a few searches

Disculpas, Miguel Lopez de Elizalde y Leonor de Aberruza fueron abuelos de Beatriz Lopez y los padres de Beatriz fueron Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza y Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza, padres de Leonor Becerra fueron Juan Becerra y Ana sanchez de Mendoza, esta ultima hija de Toribio Hernandez de Arellano y de Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza hija de Iñigo Lopez de Mendoza y Qiñonez, Marquez de Mondejar y de Maria Laso de Mendoza.  Capitulo 81. Geneologias de Nochistlan.

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:

From: alvaradj@comcast.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicolas Macias&Josefa de Alvarado and Thomas Macias-Maria Lopez de Lizalde
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 2:35 PM

Sisters Maria Lopez de Elizalde and Josefa de Alvarado, daughters of Luis de Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elizalde, married respectively Thomas Macias (13 Sept 1659) and Nicolas Macias (21 Feb 1662). Does anyone knows what is the relationships of Nicolas

Estos, nombres probablemente son los que andas buscando.
Nicolas Macias, fue bautizado el 22 de Febrero de 1642. Padres Francisco Macias y Jasinta Ortega en Aguascalientes.
Hay un Mateo, no un Tomas hermano de este Nicolas.
Mateo Macias, hijo de Francisco Macias y Jasinta de Ortega, fue bautizado 17 Octubre 1627 en Aguascalientes.
Tambien Maria Lopez de Lizalde hermana de Beatriz Lopez, caso en primeras nupcias con Juan de Luevana y en segundas con Martin Ruiz de Esparza. Ver Cap. 51 G. Nochistlan.
Beatriz Lopez fue hija de Miguel Lopez de Elizalde y de Leonor de Aberruza.
Talvez Maria Lopez se caso mas que dos veces, si ese fue el caso el tercer esposo sería Tomas, pero si no, quiere decir que a lo mejor, tu información no es completamente correcta, o la informacón de Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez y Frias en su libro de Genealogias de Nochistlan Capitulo 81, pagina 236 a 239, no sean confiables, es cuestión de investigar un poco mas. Espero que te ayude un poco. Celestino.

--- On Wed

I have Tomas' parents as:
Pedro Macias Valades & Luisa Solano de Villegas.
I know Nicolas' parents have been debated. Some claims as to be being married twicewith Francisca Gutierrez de Mendoza cannot be becuase it conflicts with the childrens baptisms. A man couldnt be married to two woman at the same time. I believe they re not the sameNicolas. It had to be another Nicolas, a close relative.
-Daniel
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Edgar Olguin Diaz
un cordila saludo
aqui esta el link del bautimos de mauro
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-76700-95?cc=1804458&wc…

Edgar Olguin Diaz
un cordila saludo
aqui esta el link del bautimos de mauro
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-76700-95?cc=1804458&wc…

Edgar Olguin Diaz
un cordila saludo
aqui esta el link del bautimos de mauro
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-76700-95?cc=1804458&wc…

Edgar Olguin Diaz
un cordila saludo
aqui esta el link del bautimos de mauro
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-76700-95?cc=1804458&wc…

Edgar Olguin Diaz
un cordila saludo
aqui esta el link del bautimos de mauro
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-76700-95?cc=1804458&wc…

If Felipe was born Aug. of 1856 in San Miguel El Alto then his surname is Alderete Anda and not Anda Alderete. The paternal surname goes first and the maternal surname goes last.

The same goes for Santiago, if his father's surname was Torres and his mother's surname was Guerra then his surname was Torres Guerra and not Guerra Torres.

The birth record of Santiago should name his grandparents. Are they not named in it?

Regards
Armando

Hola,

It says he's been living in Rancho de Quilita, in the jurisdiction of Tecolotlan, for six years at the time of this testimony.

I'm not clear on the "THO" that you're talking about? There is an abbreviation, "dho" that they'd use constantly in these documents; it means "dicho" which means "stated" as in the name of the town has already been stated prior in the document.

How are you certain that your Esparza line goes directly back to Esparza, Navarra? There are several towns and places named Velez in Spain, mostly in Andalucia and Murcia but I have no idea or proof that my ancestors' line goes back to any of them. Wondering how you are you sure of yours? Do you have a source of info that directs you to that place?

Sandra Velez

Muchisimas gracias Efrain por el video tutorial,

Me fue muy util, hace años lo habia usado, y luego regrese a trabajar y
como dice el dicho, si no lo usas, lo pierdes.

Gracias a este video, de nuevo puedo entrar a PARES.

Alicia

2014-02-28 23:24 GMT-08:00 :

> Estimados compañeros,
>
> Sonia Meza, entrevistadora de parte de Red de Antepasados
> www.redantepasados.com notifica que la semana pasada ella entrevistó a
> Don Manuel Ravina Marti, Director del Archivo General de Indias (AGI), en
> Sevilla, España.
> El AGI es uno de los archivos mas grande del mundo y, con esa parte de
> como 14% de sus mas de 8 millones de documentos que han sido catalogados,
> digitalizados, e indexados, es una fuente principal muy interesante y
> productiva para todos los genealogistas, ya sea aquellos que recien se
> inician, como para los que llevan años en la apasionante tarea de encontrar
> documentos que nos remiten a nuestros ancestros.
>
> Les sugiero ver el video de 21 minutos de esta