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The matrimonial investigation for this couple is in the online Aguascalientes church records, volume for 1706-07, image 41.

Here's the link

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11044-17218-97?cc=1502404&…

I have indexed and posted (here at NR, Files area, References) the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations up to 1730. Family Search re-posted the films at some point so the image numbers in my index are off (but they are close). In my index this record is image 37, but it is now image 41.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Here are some titles I enjoyed and found useful:

The Encomenderos of New Spain (Robert Himmerich y Valencia 1991, paperback 1996) - ethnohistorial information as well as alphabetized, short biographical info on the encomenderos.

Montezuma's Children, Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule 1520 - 1700 (Donald E. Chipman, 2005) - includes genealogies

Spanish Texas 1519 - 1821 revised ed. (Donald E Chipman and Harriet Denise Joseph, 2010)

Conquest, Montezuma, Cortez, and the Fall of Old Mexico (Hugh Thomas, 1993 ((2005))

Andariegos Y Pobladores. Nuevo Espana y Nueva Galicia (Siglo XVI). (Jose Miguel Romero de Solis, 2001) - I have this as an e-book. Again, an alphabetized list with short biographies of individuals, and a prologue by Guillermo Tovar de Teresa.

Soldiers, Indians and Silver, The Northward Advance of New Spain, 1550 - 1600. (Philip Wayne Powell, 1952) - a lot of interesting ethnohistorical info, and found some names from my family tree on this one...

A lot of interesting info is tucked away in the notes section of the books, so do check those! There are plenty of other titles to read, but these are the ones I keep returning to.

On my wish list...(when I have more free time)....Fire and Song: the story of Luis de Carvajal and the Mexican Inquisition. (Anna Lanyon 2011) - this is about the conversos - Spanish of Jewish descent - in Mexico in the late 1500's. Many of the founding families of Monterrey, where my grandmother was born, were converso families. Luis died in prison, and many family members were executed in an auto de fe in Mexico City in 1596.

Regards,
Denise

I don't consider myself a seasoned veteran on genealogy, but I can tell you of some books that really helped me with genealogy and gave me a better understanding of Mexican History.

The first book I read about genealogy was "Finding your Hispanic Roots" by George Ryskamp. It explains all the basics about genealogy and family history as it relates to us researching in Latin America. The edition that I read was years ago, and it may be a little bit outdated concerning online research, but it is still a great tool for your research. I don't know if there have been updated editions.

For Mexican History, there are lots of good books. One that I have found interesting is "Historia Verdadera de la Conquista de la Nueva Espana" by Bernal Diaz del Castillo. It explains how the conquest of Mexico took place from the perspective of a Spanish soldier that was present there, and it shows how Mexico and el mestizaje started. It is written in old Spanish and it may be a little tedious to read, but if you have patience, you really get into the story and feel as if you were seeing it with your own eyes. Also try googling other authors like Enrique Krauze, Jean Meyer, and for the history of Jalisco, Luis Perez Verdia.

Saludos.

Victoriana Martinez was a widow of 16 years. Her late husband was Don Pedro Yanos Valdez. she is originally from La Mesa de Fraile and a resident of Juanacati. No parents are mentioned. only Godparents Loreto Velasco and Dona Maria Polonia Palatoz

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> My paternal great grandmother was Maria Ysabel Caballero, baptised 16Dec1860 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Daughter of Tranquilino Caballero y Maria Juliana de la Trinidad Avila
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> source:
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> I have now found another child of Tranquilino Caballero y Trinidad D'abila, baptised on 01Mar1864 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Ramon, Zacatecas.
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> Juaquin Choperena y Victoriana Martinez were married on 16Sept1801.
> I believe Juaquin was born in Navarra, Spain to Pedro Jose Choperena y Maria Bautista Yndart about 1771.
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> However, I'm having trouble figuring out the birthplace and parents of Victoriana.
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I have come across Ysabel as a male name once when indexing.
Raquel Ruiz

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My paternal great grandmother was Maria Ysabel Caballero, baptised 16Dec1860 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Daughter of Tranquilino Caballero y Maria Juliana de la Trinidad Avila

source:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-15759-46?cc=1874591&wc…

I have now found another child of Tranquilino Caballero y Trinidad D'abila, baptised on 01Mar1864 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Ramon, Zacatecas.

source:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-33887-83?cc=1804458&wc…

This record indicates Ysabel was a male child. Was this name actually used for both sexes? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Saludos,
Roy

Saul Navarro
Mira en la Iglesia llamada Jesus en las Defunciones en los anos de 1815-1830.

Hi Lawrence

Check out this post, or rather Armando's response to it, regarding Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria Villalobos and Mariana Villalobos. It may give you another lead.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20592

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

Javier González López Portillo
Safety Cos you will clear your doubts and if Mariana Villalobos CARRILLO de Sandi:

MATRIMONIOS GUADALAJARA 1778-1799 DISPENSA MATRIMONIAL 4 ° GRADO , VILLA DE LA ENCARNACION JAL. 287 ABRIL 1779, IMAGEN 192 FILM 168058 ,SE DESCRIBE EL ARBOL DE ASCENDENTES DE AMBOS CONTRAYENTES

Esta Acta la encuentras en Guadalajara, Sagrario Metropolitano, 38343,
Bautismos 1887-1895, Imagen 618.

--Esther

2013/4/27

> cónyuge: Maria López
> hijo: José Abrahám Coronado
> Nombre José Abrahám Coronado
> Sexo Male
> Fecha de bautismo 29 Mar 1895
> Lugar de bautismo Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
> Fecha de nacimiento
> Lugar de nacimiento
> Fecha de la defunción
> Nota sobre el nombre
> Raza
> Nombre del padre Pablo Coronado
> Lugar de nacimiento del padre
> Edad del padre
> Nombre de la madre Maria López
> Lugar de nacimiento de la madre
> Edad de la madre
> Nombre del abuelo paterno
> Nombre de la abuela paterna
> Nombre del abuelo materno
> Nombre de la abuela materna
> Número de lote o batch I06479-8
> Sistema de origen Mexico-EASy
> Número de microfilm de FamilySearch 38343
> Identificador de referencia v 83 p 327
> AGRADECERÉ TODA LA INFORMACION QUE SE ME OTORGUE.

Connie Alvarez and I hope to attend.

I hope NuestrosPrimos are there, too.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Thank You Rosalinda, now I can research the correct Castaneda Line.

I know there were several Castaneda Families in Atolinga and Tlaltenango. Can someone tell me if they have Rosalia Castaneda in any of your Family Trees. She married Josef Antonio Raigosa. Children were :
Josef Luis Raigosa DOB 10-11-1781
Anna Ma Guadalupe Raigosa DOB 05-19-1779
Ma Petra Salome Raigosa DOB 10-23-1784
Ygnacio Raigosa

I have the children baptism records, but they dont specify Grandparents, so I really dont know which Castaneda line Rosalia belongs to.

Thanks
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Hi Helyn,

Here is a thought...
You're looking for Francisco Castaneda and Maria Tomasa Dias. Could this be
the couple?

Franco. De Castaneda married Maria Thomasa de Soria on Feb. 10, 1773 in
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac(familysearch.org, film 443970, image 191)

The record states that they are both from Charcuelos and the time period
makes it possible.
Francisco's parents are listed as Santiago Castaneda (his brother is Diego
de los Santos Castaneda that you mentioned) and Rufina de Balensuela. Maria
Thomasa's parents are listed as Lorenso de Soria and Gertrudis Juliana de
Loera. Maybe you can find some reference to "Soria" in their children's
baptismal or marriage records?

I have the Diego de los Santos Castaneda line in my tree several times, so
maybe be are related...

Alicia

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--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez

Hi Laura,

I have the same ancestors in my family tree.

This is what I have:

*Josseph Alexandro Castaneda *b. 3/21/1731 (El Monte) Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443802, image 528)
siblings:Josseph Fernando, Vicenta Simona, Juan Antonio, Juan Pedro Lino,
Antonio Marino, Joseph Miguel, and Christobal Anzelmo
wife: *Maria de la Candelaria Ramirez (Carrillo) *b. abt 1740 Valle de Xerez,
Zac
married 4/9/1755 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443969, image 44)

daughter: *Maria Rita Margarita Castaneda *b. 4/27/1769 Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443806, image 565)
husband: Antonio Julian de Haro b. 3/15/1765 Los Serritos, Zac
married 1/10/1787 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443970, image 607)

Josseph Alexandro Castaneda's parents:
*Cristobal Manuel Castaneda *b. 1/1/1709 Tlal. Zac d. before 10/28/1782 (
familysearch.org, film 443801, image 187)
*Nicolasa Romero Ortiz *b. abt. 1715 Juanacatic, Jal
married 2/2/1730 Colotlan, Jal (familysearch.org, film 443781, image 100)
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's siblings: Mariahana Micaela, Maria Antonia,
and Hernando Alfonso
Nicolas Romero Ortiz sister: Maria Romero Ortiz

Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's parents:
*Hernando Castaneda *b. abt 1688 d. before 1/3//1743
*Antonia Covarrubias *b. abt 1693

Nicolasa Romero Ortiz's parents:
*Mathias Romero Ortiz *b. abt 1679* *Jal. (brother: Diego Romero)
*Francisca Godina *b. abt 1684 Colotlan, Jal d. before 2/2/1730 (siblings:
Nicolas, Lorenzo,and Maria)
married: 3/1699 Totatiche, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango, page 156
by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
*(I'm a big fan of your work, Arturo and we have many common ancestors.)*

Mathias Romero Ortiz's* *parents:
*Diego Romero*
*Maria Ortiz*
**
Francisca Godina's parents:
*Francisco Godina *b. abt 1664 Tlal., Zac
*Maria Perez *b. abt 1677 Totatiche, Jal
married: unk date 1719?, Colotlan, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango,
page 158 by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)

Francisco Godina's parents:
*Diego Godina*
*Maria Gonzalez *
**
Maria Perez's parents:
*Tomas Gonzalez d. before 2/15/1677*
*Maria Cardenas*

I'm happy to share whatever additional information I might have, so please
let me know if you have questions. Please keep me posted as to any new
discoveries that you make.

Thanks
Alicia

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Laura,

We are connected through the Castañeda line, and I looked through your Ancestry tree. We are also connected through at least two more families, the Llamas and the Mayorgas. Contact me through the group, and we can compare notes.

Rosalinda

Can you tell me who Jesus Segovia's parents were?  I have Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segovia in my files with 3 children born in Ciudad Zac 2 who marry and have children in Tetillas, district of Jerez but the parents of Juan Castaneda are Julio Castaneda and Severa Gonzales but the dates are similar.
Linda Castanon-Long
longsjourney@yahoo.com

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Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castañeda de Atolinga

Since there were so many discoveries on another Castañeda forum, I thought I'd try again.

I'm trying to get more info, anything, on Castañedas from Atolinga, Zac.

Here's what I have:

Alexandro Castañeda b. abt 1760
wife:  Maria Calendaria Ramirez b. abt 1760

son:  José Antonio Castañeda b. abt 1783 (I have marriage cert)
wife:  María Eugenia de Aro b. abt 1783

son: Julio de Jesús b. 1802
wife: María Mónica de Refugio Gonzales b. 1812

son:  Juan Castañeda b. abt 1830 (3rd great-grandfather)
wife:  Jesús Segobia b. abt 1830

Thanks!
Laura Gonzalez

Hi Laura,

Here are some links that may be helpful:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-660-26?cc=1410092&wc=6… Informacion Matrimonial of Alexandro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ramirez (includes their parents' names)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-5739-69?cc=1874591&wc=… Marriage Dispensation for Juan Antonio Castaneda, the brother of Alexandro (it gives some ancestors' names)

Good luck!
Rosalinda

I had problems as well on Internet Explorer. I switched to Google Chrome and it works fine now.

Raul Munoz

I have experienced this also on occasion.

If you make the search too specific, that is, you enter names, dates, and places, or have more than one of the "exact match" boxes checked, the search engine tries to match all the parameters, fails, and returns nothing.

Make the search less specific, and when the search returns records, then try to make it more specific only one field at a time. You should then have more success.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Can you provide us with some examples? I haven't noticed a problem with that. I have only seen problems with opening digitized records.

Armando

This should help

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~33818~1171534…

Raul Munoz

Hi Ruben,

First, I want to welcome you to this group-- it's a great resource. I wanted to let you know that I have the same questions as you do about Phelipe de Santiago Delgado, as he is my 6th great-grandfather, through his second wife, Maria Eginia Carrillo.

I have hit the same dead end as you have, although I do have Phelipe's parents' names from his marriage record. I'm not sure that the records exist anymore, or perhaps they were not filmed, which is disappointing. I still have hope, but I'm not too sure about where to go next.

Send me a message through the group, and we can compare notes.

Rosalinda

Hello again:

I haven't work on this line since the last time I posted the forum about the Brambila family. Have you found any aditional information about this lineage?

Also the last time, I didn't reflect that you also descended from Andrés María Brambila married with Antonia López, I descend from his daughter named Gertrudis Pio Brambila married with José María Ramírez de Prado y Miranda. Also I have other lines but I think that's the closest between you and me. Do you have any information about Antonia López? I haven't found a marriage certificate and I didn't have Gregorio as one of his sons, maybe you have found it.

Hope you can see my message, thank you in advance.

Enrique

Hi,

I've just read your message, and I also find your information very helpful.

In the first marriage of Agustín de la Brambila y Arriaga with Antonia González de León, the parents of Antonia were Antonio González de León and Catalina Díaz Santana.
The parents of Agustín were as you said were José de la Brambila y Arriaga and Antonia Isabel de Ibarra.

The fact about the parents of José, I didn't know it. I think that with a lot of probablity you're true, so they were José de la Brambila y Arriaga and Catalina Lomelin y Peralta. One of his sister's should be Antonia de la Brambila y Arriaga, married in Santa Veracruz, Distrito Federal, México. With her marriage information, I could know that she was born in Quirandaro , Michoacán, being again another clue of the statement that the Brambilas' first settled in Michoacán before Jalisco.

So, for the moment I'll continue with the research, If you have any new information let me know, thank you for your time.

Estimado Alessandro,

Este parece que pueda ser una hermana de Eleuterio, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NP2H-DB1 por lo que quizas en Sahuayo puedas encontrar algo.

Saludos,

Ricardo

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] VALDIVIA/ NAVARRO -- RAMON VALDIVIA + MA. MARGARITA MALDONADO (DE ORNELAS)

Hola a todos, buenos dias.

Tengo el agrado de comunicarles que finalmente pude encontrar la informacion matrimonial que buscaba de mi antepasado JOSEPH (ELEUTEIO) VALDIVIA con FRANCISCA ROSALIA NAVARO. Habiendo encontrado este documento pude finalmente saber quienes fueron sus padres (Ramon Baldibia/Ma Margarita Maldonado (De Ornelas) + PEDRO NAVARRO/PETRONILA (Ptrona/Petra)SOLIS. Incluso encontre al parecer el matrimonio de estas parejas en La Barca y en Ayo el Chico, pero nuevamente el mismo problema (no mencionan a los padres), por tal razon tengo que volver a buscar la INF MATRIMONIAL correspondiente...... Lamentablemene Ayo el Chico no cuenta con informaciones que abarquen el año de 1729 ya que comienzan mas tarde.

Alguien puede orientarme en donde puedo localizar las Informaciones de Ayo el Chico para el año 1729? A que jurisdiccion pertenecia en aquel ayer? Los poblados mas cercanos que pudieran ser son: Atotonilco el Alto, Degollado, La Barca y Ocotlan. Son los poblados mas importantes que le circundan... En cual?

Por otro lado, de pura casualidad alguno de ustdes tiene a las parejas que acabo de localizar en sus investigaciones:

RAMON VALDIVIA (Baldibia) + MA. MARGARIATA MALDONADO (De Ornelas). Abt 1710/20

PEDRO NAVARRO + PETRONILA (Petrona/Petra)SOLIS abt 1720

Tambien en las Informaciones de La Barca, localize una hermana de Joseph Eleuterio Valdivia, la cual se llama JUANA BALDIBIA (hija de Ramon Baldibia y Margarita Maldonado) y su posible bautismo el 12 Oct 1730 en Sahuayo, Michoacan. Alguen la tiene en sus archivos?

Tambien quiero agradecer a todas las personas que estuvieron en contacto conmigo y que trataron de ayudarme a localizar a mis antepasados Valdivia/ Navarro desde el inicio. Les agradezco mucho el granito de arena y espero seguir contando con su guia y con su apoyo ya que esta ardua tarea CONTNUA....

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I DO SPEAK ENGLISH TOO, SO IF YOU CONSIDER THAT YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE ON THIS MATTER FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THIS LANGUAGE.

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Me encantaria saber de ustedes, sus comentarios, sus consejos y/o aportaciones.

Saudos

Alessandro.

By the way, your ancestor Francisco de Villalobos was
born in Mexico. If the document in question is about a Francisco de Villalobos from Spain then it involves someone that isn't your ancestor.

Your ancestor Francisco de Villalobos was the brother of my ancestor Tomás de Villalobos.

Since Villalobos was the maternal surname of my grandfather I studied this family well. I was also the one that pointed you to this Francisco being your ancestor.

Armando

The link doesn't work. Can you provide more information on the record that you found or what you clicked on to arrive to the document that you found?

Armando

The link you provided states that the record is in Film number:232862

The film number 232862 is listed in the catalog as being Bautismos 1711-1738.

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/286374

This means that the record you are looking for is definitely in Bautismos 1711-1738 which is where you were looking.

All indexed records ALWAYS match those of the volumes they reference by film number. This has never been wrong.

This means you just have to keep searching page by page and entry by entry.

Armando

Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado Lawrence, ¿y el documento? ¿Donde lo encuentro?, somos buenos en lo que hacemos, pero no adivinos,no me mandes enlaces, mandame el nombre de la parroquia y la fecha del evento para tratar de ayudarte, sin otro particular te envio un afectuoso saludo.

A T E N T A M E N T E

JOSE DE JESUS BARBA ORNELAS

Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado Lawrence, ¿y el documento? ¿Donde lo encuentro?, somos buenos en lo que hacemos, pero no adivinos,no me mandes links, mandame el nombre de la parroquia y la fecha del evento para tratar de ayudarte, sin otro particular te envio un afectuoso saludo.

A T E N T A M E N T E

JOSE DE JESUS BARBA ORNELAS

All I could make out were the first four letters (Tete.....). I couldn't be sure about the others. I even compared the word with the Cubas book, but I didn't see anything promising. Good luck!

Rosalinda

I have also been looking for the parents of Nicolasa Olaya de Loera and Micaela Olaya de Loera.

I have Nicolasa married to Geronimo Ledesma, and living near Tabasco from at least the mid-1750s. The two children I have for Nicolasa and Geronimo are: Raphaela De Los Dolores Estefana Ledesma Loera (b 15 Aug 1754) and Gertrudis Ledesma de Loera (b ~1750). Estevan Ledesma Loera is listed as the son of Micaela and Geronimo; Estevan is my 6G-grandfather.

I also have Micaela Olaya de Loera married to Geronimo Ledesma and it's possible that Nicolasa was also named Micaela, or that Micaela and Nicolasa were sisters. Micaela Olaya's last name was also given as "Sandoval" several times.

Any leads would be appreciated!

Thanks, Arturo

Unfortunately, it may be very difficult to find the records you're looking for. Up until the mid-1740s (1747?), Tabasco and Calvillo were under the jurisdiction of Jalpa. Most of Jalpa's church records are lost. From about 1747-1772, Calvillo was under the jurisdiction of Tabasco, and as far as I know there are no IM records for Tabasco before the mid-1800s.

With that being said, you should take a look at the couple of places suggested below, as I have seen Loera family trees there. (I have Loera relatives near Jalpa, so I've been keeping track of what I find.)

1. Diocesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

Claudia Casillas has a wonderful website that is indexing these dispensas, film by film: http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ so take a look to see if there's a direct reference for you to track down.

2. Archdiocese of Guadalajara, Miscellaneous Marriage Records, 1605-1854
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

It's not clear if these are duplicates of the other dispensas, but I've found Loera family trees (in Caja 134 for example).

And just to leave you with some hope, here's a possible lead to your Ricardo Loera that I have in my database:
Date: October 24, 1833
Place: Calvillo
Source: Guadalajara Matrimonios 1833, Film 168257, Image 2694
URL: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-78860-36?cc=1874591&wc…
Witnesses: Yldefonso Esparza (46); Macario Loera (52); Manuel Velasco (41)
Tronco: A1. Jose de Loera, A2. Francisco de Loera, A3. Gabriel Loera; B1. Ricardo Loera, B2. Vicente de Loera, B3. Victoriana de Loera

Is this YOUR Ricardo Loera?

Good luck!
Arturo