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Calvillo, Ags. 1850 - 1900 Serna - Lopez

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I have been un able to place these Serna -Lopez Families in my database. Any info on Cirilo, Micaela, Aurelio Serna or this Lopez family would be appreciated.

Descendants of Cirilo Serna

The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

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Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees. I am adding a few things I did not add originally. One is the time of birth.

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Maureen you brought up a good point.  I've often wondered abt time of birth since so many ancestors did not read or write so being able to tell time or even owning a clock seems strange to me.  The mothers were not usually at the baptism so it was up the the Father and the padrinos to pick a time.  a.m. or p.m. would be easy but actual time is hard to believe..

Linda in Boulder City

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From: "mytmo@netnitco.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:15:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees.  I am adding a few things I did not add originally.  One is the time of birth.  Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm.  Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks?  Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular.  Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

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I am interested in learning more about your statement that "mothers were usually not at the baptism". Which sources can you cite to support your statement?

Respectfully,

Paul Gomez
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:36:36
To: ;
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for
San Miguel

Maureen you brought up a good point.  I've often wondered abt time of birth since so many ancestors did not read or write so being able to tell time or even owning a clock seems strange to me.  The mothers were not usually at the baptism so it was up the the Father and the padrinos to pick a time.  a.m. or p.m. would be easy but actual time is hard to believe..

Linda in Boulder City

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From: "mytmo@netnitco.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:15:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees.  I am adding a few things I did not add originally.  One is the time of birth.  Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm.  Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks?  Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular.  Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

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Paul,

Children were baptized shortly after their birth. When the Baptism took place, the infant was taken to the church by the father or the Padrinos, godparents or the grandparents but never the mother. The mother was not allowed to leave the house until after 40 days. It was believed to be unsafe or un-healthy for the mother to go out doors. Births always occurred in the home, not in a hospital.

Per the Catholic church, a baby had to be baptized in order for it to be saved in the event the child should die before baptism, therefore the baptism could not wait. In many towns in Mexico, that's still how it's done.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates forSan Miguel

I am interested in learning more about your statement that "mothers were usually not at the baptism". Which sources can you cite to support your statement?

Respectfully,

Paul Gomez
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:36:36
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for
San Miguel

Maureen you brought up a good point. I've often wondered abt time of birth since so many ancestors did not read or write so being able to tell time or even owning a clock seems strange to me. The mothers were not usually at the baptism so it was up the the Father and the padrinos to pick a time. a.m. or p.m. would be easy but actual time is hard to believe..

Linda in Boulder City

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From: "mytmo@netnitco.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:15:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees. I am adding a few things I did not add originally. One is the time of birth. Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm. Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks? Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular. Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

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I've wondered about that also. I just read somewhere that when Jesus was born, the mother had to go to a purification ritual after 40 days. I think I also have heard that in Mexico, mothers had to stay in the house for 40 days and it was the godparents who usually took the child to be baptized, so they would not know the exact hour of birth.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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I am interested in learning more about your statement that "mothers were usually not at the baptism". Which sources can you cite to support your statement?

Respectfully,

Paul Gomez
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long >
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:36:36
To: >; >
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for
San Miguel

Maureen you brought up a good point. I've often wondered abt time of birth since so many ancestors did not read or write so being able to tell time or even owning a clock seems strange to me. The mothers were not usually at the baptism so it was up the the Father and the padrinos to pick a time. a.m. or p.m. would be easy but actual time is hard to believe..

Linda in Boulder City

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From: "mytmo@netnitco.net" >
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Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:15:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees. I am adding a few things I did not add originally. One is the time of birth. Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm. Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks? Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular. Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

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it was traditional for a mother to stay in bed for up to 40 days.  That's what I was told by my grandmothers who were both born in Mexico, one in Jalisco and the other in Zacatecas.  Even today you would seldom see a mother of a new born out and abt within the first week except for a Dr.s visit..

Linda in Boulder City

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates forSan Miguel

I am interested in learning more about your statement that "mothers were usually not at the baptism". Which sources can you cite to support your statement?

Respectfully,

Paul Gomez
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:36:36
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates    for
San Miguel

Maureen you brought up a good point.  I've often wondered abt time of birth since so many ancestors did not read or write so being able to tell time or even owning a clock seems strange to me.  The mothers were not usually at the baptism so it was up the the Father and the padrinos to pick a time.  a.m. or p.m. would be easy but actual time is hard to believe..

Linda in Boulder City

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From: "mytmo@netnitco.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:15:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees.  I am adding a few things I did not add originally.  One is the time of birth.  Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm.  Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks?  Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular.  Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

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Linda,

Thank you for your response. I have been informed. My research has been
enlighten as a result.

Paul Gomez

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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long [mailto:longsjourney@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:26 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; paul.gomez@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates
forSan Miguel

it was traditional for a mother to stay in bed for up to 40 days. That's
what I was told by my grandmothers who were both born in Mexico, one in
Jalisco and the other in Zacatecas. Even today you would seldom see a
mother of a new born out and abt within the first week except for a Dr.s
visit..

Linda in Boulder City

_____

From: "paul.gomez@verizon.net"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Erlinda@Castanon-Long.g.dreamhost.com
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 4:16:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates
forSan Miguel

I am interested in learning more about your statement that "mothers were
usually not at the baptism". Which sources can you cite to support your
statement?

Respectfully,

Paul Gomez
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:36:36
To: ;
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates
for
San Miguel

Maureen you brought up a good point. I've often wondered abt time of birth
since so many ancestors did not read or write so being able to tell time or
even owning a clock seems strange to me. The mothers were not usually at
the baptism so it was up the the Father and the padrinos to pick a time.
a.m. or p.m. would be easy but actual time is hard to believe..

Linda in Boulder City

________________________________
From: "mytmo@netnitco.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 2:15:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for
San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy
trees. I am adding a few things I did not add originally. One is the time
of birth. Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children
could not have been born at 3 pm. Was this just a catch all time in case
the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having
clocks? Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night,
so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular. Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar

The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates forSan Mig...

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Hi Paul,
It so happens that keeping a woman inside her home for 40 days is not
unique to the Mexican culture.

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Introduction - Rodriguez/Esparza research

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Hello primos,

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Hola Elysia,

I got your email but thought best to post my answer here in case this might help somebody else.

I do not have copies of the original records for Valvina, but here is what I gathered from the online database at FamilySearch.org & IGI:

VALVINA REYNOSO was born abt. 1814 in Moyahua, Zacatecas. She was the daughter of SILVERIO REYNOSO & GREGORIA CARRILLO. That is as far as I have gone in that line. My 4th G-grand-father is Toribio Reynoso, Valvina' brother. The church records for Moyahua start at about 1812, and unfortunatley, the Juchipila church records before that era have been lost. I fear that's where most of our REYNOSO/RENTERIA, HARO, RODRIGUEZ, LUNA, PONCE, etc. information would be.

CAUTION: I also found an ALVINA REYNOSO, who was married to Estevan Lopez, and her parents names are the same as VALVINA...I still have not figured out if this is one person who married twice, or if they were sisters with similar names. But sadly, we do not have their marriage dates to confirm the info from the record.

FYI: When searching for REYNOSO names in Moyahua & Juchipila, also search under RENTERIA. The family used both. Search this site for posts about the REYNOSO/RENTERIA names and you will see examples of what I mean.

Good luck!

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I am aware of the Juchipia "lost records" we ought to remember our ancestors traveled alot, not all hope is lost.Ive seen Juchipila citizens go to Tabasco, Jalpa, Huanusco, Tlatenango, Zac. Calvillo and Aguascalientes, Ags.Teocaltiche and Nochistlan. All surrounding parishes. It is possible they could have gone there as well.

-Daniel
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Ill look into your info and see if I can find anything. It looks like you descendfrom the Haro family which populated almost all of Zacatecas! If youhave lines in Tlatenango, Tuel and Juchipila. It would be good to checkchurch records in Tabasco (also called Villa del Refugio) in Zacatecas.Ive seen in records people coming from Juchipila which is down the road.Also try Jalpa, Zac. You might want to also consider lastly Calvillo, Ags.Even Teocaltiche, Jalisco. I have this problem where my ancestors went all over this place (el Valle de Huejucar). Good thing most churches are newfrom the 1750s. Tabasco records start in 1747. Calvillo, 1772. I think Jalpastarts 1820 or so. Teocaltiche back in 1627 or so.

-Daniel
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Thank you!!

I thought of that, but wasn't sure how crazy mobile my ancestors were... I will try searching using the places in Jalisco, or Jalisco in general. I usually just use the pilot site at family search.org. I am not really knowledgeable of otherways to look things up.

Thank you again,

Elysia

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Elysia,

I just wanted to comment that while Family Search Pilot has come in very
handy I've had a lot more success using IGI in the regular Family Search
website. Then, once I identify a record, I send for a copy.

-Angelina-

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Hello Angelina,

In your response you use "send for a copy". Are you requesting "copies" from Salt Lake? If so, what has been your experience? I have not used this method of research, but instead have relied on the old fashioned way - ordering from my local FHC microfilm.

Best wishes,

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Sent: Dec 30, 2009 9:10 AM

Elysia,

I just wanted to comment that while Family Search Pilot has come in very
handy I've had a lot more success using IGI in the regular Family Search
website. Then, once I identify a record, I send for a copy.

-Angelina-

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Hello Paul,

Yes, I order copies of the actual record from Salt Lake. You can get the
forms from your local FHC or from the website. It takes anywhere from 2 to 8
weeks to get them back. The cost is $2 per record. Occasionally they've had
problems locating the record I'm interested in but normally I've had pretty
good luck. The catch is that you can only order 8 records every two weeks
and lately the turnaround time has been closer to 6 weeks so you have to be
patient.

To find the form go to familysearch.org click on "forms" under "Start Your
Family Tree" scroll down to "Request For Photocopies - IGI and Sources"
click on that and follow the directions.

Hope this helps.
-Angelina-

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Elysia..do you have the Family Tree Program? I could send you my info, if you have the program...tu primo, Raul Luna

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com wrote:

From: elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Rodriguez/Esparza research
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:53 AM

Hello primos,

I am busy researching my Rodriguez and Esparza lines, my grandparents immigrated to the U.S. in about 1929, and like a lot of people for waht ever reason decided not to pass along much information! So now we are all Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys. 
My family search has run into a few snags in the 6th generation across the board and my Grnadmother's maternal line in entirely.  My regions are pretty limited to Juchipila (Atemajac, Moyahua, El Ranchito, Tlaltennango de Sanchez Roman and Teul.

Here is the quick run down of the Rodriguez line:

(GGGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Jose Rodriguez
Wife: Balvina Reynoso (Balbina) (Valbina) (Valvina)

Children:
1810 Pedro Rodriguez
1816 Damacio Rodriguez
1817 Antonio Rodriguez
1822 Maria Merced (married Jose Maria Barreda, 1858)

(GGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Pedro Rodriguez
Wife, married 1826: Celedonia (Seledonia) (Zeledonia) Guitierrez (s)

Children:
1827 Lorenza Rodriguez (s), born in Moyahua, Juchipila Zacatecas
1831 Jose (Maria Rito) Rodriguez Gutierrez (married Manuela Banuelos)

(GG Grandpa and Grandma)
Jose (Maria Rito) Rodriguez Gutierrez
Wife: Manuela Banuelos

Children:  1860 Juan Rodriguez (married Petra Villalobos, 1887)
1882 Gulliermo Rodriguez (married, D.O.B. 1806,Maria De Los    Nieves De Jesus Placencia Susana (Unknown)/Maria Jesus Plascencia)
1832 Luis Rodriguez, Moyahua, Juchipila, Zacatecas (married Francesca Luna)
1839 Dorotea Rodriguez (married Felipe Benites, 02/05/1860)
1846 Dinocio Rodriguez, (married Dorotea Banuelos, 1876)
1855 Antonia Rodriguez (married Florentino Ramires 1873)
1856 Dominga Rodriguez, (married Regino Gonzales)
    Children: Tiburcio Gonzales
            Raimunda Carillo

(G Grandpa and Grandma)
Guillermo Rodriguez
Wife:  Maria De Los Nieves De Jesus         Placencia Susana (Unknown)/Maria Jesus Plascencia

Children:
(my Grandpa)
Ricardo Rodriguez, m. 1927, Petra Esparza, El Ranchito, Zacatecas

The Esparza Line:

(GGGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Tomas Esparza
wife: Maria Magdelena Sigala

*** found on marriage record for Jose Noverto and Maria Juana De Aro***
Children:
1809 Jose Noverto, Moyahua

(GGG grandpa and grandma)
(Jose) Noverto Esparza
Wife: Maria Juana De Aro,DOB 1810, m. 1827, Moyahua, Zacatecas

Children:
1836 Antonio Esparza
Roman Esparza (married 1872)

(GG grandpa and grandma)
Antonio Esparza
Wife: Jacinta Luna, m: 1854, Moyahua, Zacatecas

Children:
1873 Jose Tiburcio Esparza Luna
Telesforo Esaparza, (married in 1888)
1860 Eufemia Esparza, Moyahua de Estrada (married 1877 Jose del los Angeles Luna)
Pomposo Esparza (married 1889 Teodocia Salazar)
Ambrocia Esparsa (married 1879 Jose Maria Enriques)

(G grandpa and grandma)
Jose Tiburcio Esparza Luna
Wife: Lenora (Leana) Robles, m. 1894, San Francisco, Juchipila, Zacatecas

Children:
1898 Maria Primitiva Esparza
1895 Maria Emilia Esparza
1904 Ysidra Esparza
1901 Jose Ramon Esparza
1907 Petra Esparza

Well those are my immediate lines, other surnames of interest:
Esparza Line Family Names: De Aro, Haro, Lamas, Luna, Ponze, Robles, Sigala

Rodriguez Family Names: Banuelos, Carillo, Espitia, Estrada, Falcon, Gutierrez, Ocampo (s), Plasencia, Nunes, Quintero, Reynozo, Rodriguez, Salasar

Thank you for your time, I hope that we can make some connections!

Elysia Rodriguez

Thanks For A Great 2009/Feliz Navidad

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We have a lot to be thankful for. The group has been growing
tremendously via Arturo's Website Wizardry.

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Thank you Arturo and Joseph for all your hard work and effort . I´ll make my New Years resolution now . I promise to locate the DVD´s from the program REPORTAJES DE ALVARADO . They have a TV program where they visit the states Jalisco , Aguascaliente and Zacatecas and film all the sites .

I WISH ALL OF MY FELLOW GENEALOGIST A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR !!

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I want to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New
Year!!!! I am enjoying the holidays in Switzerland with my youngest
daughter and her family including my grandson Leon and my little Emily
who is now 3 1/2 years old.......hard to believe it has been that long
since I sent you all her baby pictures! We had a wonderful snowfall
last week and it got down to minus 13 celsius (or about 7 degrees
fahrenheit).......pretty cold for me! I return to Texas on Jan 6th
and plan to get back into my genealogy research. 2009 was pretty
rough for me since I lost my mom on Jan 19th and my sister-in-law on
Oct 27th but I am hoping 2010 will be brighter.

Again, Merry Christmas and the best in 2010!

Warm hugs,

Josie Trevino Trevino
Houston, TX

On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:32 PM, rosehardy@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Joseph and Arturo for great work here. I wanted to wish my
> Nuestros Ranchos family a Merry Christmas and looking forward to
> 2010 with you all.
>
> Rose
> Fresno

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Thank you, thank you, thank YOU, Jofes, for being such a wise leader.
Thank YOU, Arturo, for being such a knowledgeable "Merlin" of the
website. Thank you, primos and primas for a wonderfully informative
2009 at NR. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Sincerely, Marge:)

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Well said, Marge.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: Marge Vallazza
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thanks For A Great 2009/Feliz Navidad

Thank you, thank you, thank YOU, Jofes, for being such a wise leader.
Thank YOU, Arturo, for being such a knowledgeable "Merlin" of the
website. Thank you, primos and primas for a wonderfully informative
2009 at NR. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Sincerely, Marge:)

Gonzalez in Cañadas De Obregon, Jalostotitlán, Mexticacán or Vicinity

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Hola! I trying to find out all about my 4X GreatGrandfather Jesus Gonzalez (birth abt. 1780) on my fathers side. There is no information on who his wife was or if he got married at all.

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Hi Primo, Good Question???? All I have to go by is that he is my 3X Grandfather. He's the father of Modesto Gonzalez. I know that the marriage license has him as the first born of Jesus Gonzalez (Don't know if father or mother). Batch No. M603232, Dates: 1827-1837, Source Call No. 0279302. I don't have any information of brothers or sisters of Trinidad. This is where I'm stuck. Do you have any leads or am I helping you?? Thanks, Jaime

Guadalupe, Zacatecas

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I was wondering if somebody could shed some light on the several Guadalupe's
in the state of Zacatecas? In our family records, my great-great
grandfather's family comes from Guadalupe, Zacatecas.

The next step for Nuestros Ranchos - El próximo paso p...

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Arturo
Sounds great. A question. A corporation agent in the state.....what are
the responsibilities?

Mickey

In a message dated 4/11/2009 9:43:48 P.M.

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the ancestors and personal info of MariaLuisa Estrada

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Gracias jorge luis. Yo tambien tengo esta informacion en mis notas pero me falta seguir el hilo. Conoces los abuelos de Luisa?
Son de tu linea directa?

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Los abuelos paternos de María Luisa Estrada Gómez son José Domingo Estrada Cortés y María Rita Valencia González y los maternos son José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Felipa Catarina de Aceves.

Yo desciendo de un hijo de Luisa, llamado José Hermenegildo Rodríguez Estrada. De ahí en adelante es como sigue:

1.- Luisa Rodríguez Ochoa.

2.- José Domínguez Rodríguez.

3.- Francisco Domínguez Ibarra.

4.- Ramona Domínguez Gallardo.

5.- Mi mamá.

6.- Yo.

Y como es tu línea?

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Yo tambien desciendo de Hermenegildo Rodriguez Estrada
yo desciendo de su hijo Evaristo Rodriguez Ochoa

1. Evaristo Rodriguez Ochoa

2. Cipriana Rodriguez Villalpando

3. Lucila De la Torre, mi abuela paterna

4. mi padre

5. yo, soy primo cuarto de tu mama

Mi tia, una semana antes de que murio me dijo que a luisa rodriguez ochoa le decian luisa pero que ella fue bautizada con otro nombre. Tienes mas informacion? sabes el nombre completo del esposo de luisa?
Ricardo
(R.A.Ricci)

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gracias por la informacion, me puedes decir por favor donde hallaste esta informacion. yo tengo mucho gomez gonzalez asebes y poquito estrada pero no tengo a jose ygnacio gomez hurtado de mendoza y felpa catarina de asebes ni a j. Domingo estrada cortes y ma. rita Valencia Gonzalez en mis ramas. me podrias dar mas informacion por favor?
encontre la fecha de la acta de matrimonio de felipa y ygnacio (17/feb/1773, tepa)y tambien una hija de ellos llamada felipa de la cruz bautizada en tepa 24 sep 1777

Gracias otra vez por tu ayuda,

Ricardo
(R.A.Ricci)

Comentario

Ricci, toda la información que te envié la saqué de los Libros Parroquiales de la Parroquia de San Francisco de Asís de Tepatitlán. Ahí encontré esos datos.

José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza es hijo de Asencio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Bárbara Martín del Campo, según el acta de matrimonio, en la que contrajo dicho matrimonio con Felipa Catarina de Aceves, hija de Juan Francisco de Aceves y María Antonia Casillas y Cabrera.

Por cierto, que ha pasado con las informaciones matrimoniales que me ibas a pasar de los Ramírez de Hermosillo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Gracias por la informacion.
Me ibas mandar tu correo para mandarte la infomacion por correo.
Si me recuerdo bien,, quieres los descendientes de salvador ygnacio ramirez de hermosillo y gutierrez de lariS y maria josefa de san leandro martin del campo y perez de paredes.
Somos muchos desceNdientes de esta pareja.
Gracias por tu ayuda
Ricci

------Original Message------
From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
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Sent: Dec 15, 2009 10:18 AM

Ricci, toda la información que te envié la saqué de los Libros Parroquiales de la Parroquia de San Francisco de Asís de Tepatitlán. Ahí encontré esos datos.

José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza es hijo de Asencio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Bárbara Martín del Campo, según el acta de matrimonio, en la que contrajo dicho matrimonio con Felipa Catarina de Aceves, hija de Juan Francisco de Aceves y María Antonia Casillas y Cabrera.

Por cierto, que ha pasado con las informaciones matrimoniales que me ibas a pasar de los Ramírez de Hermosillo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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si mis notas son correctos Phelipa Catarina de Aceves no es hija de Juan francisco aceves poque el fue el segundo esposo y ella tendria 4 anos.   por lo maximo. es mas probable que ella es hija del primer esposo francisco aceves y luego ella tuviera 14 -18 anos de edad.
tengo la fecha de matrimonio de Juan francisco 7/feb/1768 y la fecha de matrimonio de Phelia Catarina Aceves  7/feb/1773
Ricci

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Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 12:13:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] abuelos de maria luisa estrada gomez

Gracias por la informacion.
Me ibas mandar tu correo para mandarte la infomacion por correo.     
Si me recuerdo bien,, quieres los descendientes de salvador ygnacio ramirez de hermosillo y gutierrez de lariS y maria josefa de san leandro martin del campo y perez de paredes. 
Somos muchos desceNdientes de esta pareja.
Gracias por tu ayuda
Ricci

------Original Message------
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To: Nuestros Ranchos
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Sent: Dec 15, 2009 10:18 AM

Ricci, toda la información que te envié la saqué de los Libros Parroquiales de la Parroquia de San Francisco de Asís de Tepatitlán. Ahí encontré esos datos.

José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza es hijo de Asencio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Bárbara Martín del Campo, según el acta de matrimonio, en la que contrajo dicho matrimonio con Felipa Catarina de Aceves, hija de Juan Francisco de Aceves y María Antonia Casillas y Cabrera.

Por cierto, que ha pasado con las informaciones matrimoniales que me ibas a pasar de los Ramírez de Hermosillo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

                       
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busque mis notas a ver si tenia  a juan francisco de aceves y maria antonia casillas cabrera.  si los tengo pero tengo algo raro.  Tengo a maria antonia casillas cabrera casada dos veces y el segundo esposo tambien se llamaba Francisco de aceves con diferentes padres del segundo. segun mis notas juan francisco es el segundo esposo. Tengo un errror?  es la misma maria antonia casillas?

de los abuelos de jose domingo estrada y ma rita valencia gonzalez  
y la pareja ascencio gomez h de mend casado con barbara martin del campo
no tengo nada

tengo a diferrentes ascencio gomez en mi collecion, uno casado dos veses con leonor franco de paredes y juana flores de la torre

de los estrada tengo muy poco en mi collecion

saludos,
ricci

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From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:18:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] abuelos de maria luisa estrada gomez

Ricci, toda la información que te envié la saqué de los Libros Parroquiales de la Parroquia de San Francisco de Asís de Tepatitlán.. Ahí encontré esos datos.

José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza es hijo de Asencio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Bárbara Martín del Campo, según el acta de matrimonio, en la que contrajo dicho matrimonio con Felipa Catarina de Aceves, hija de Juan Francisco de Aceves y María Antonia Casillas y Cabrera.

Por cierto, que ha pasado con las informaciones matrimoniales que me ibas a pasar de los Ramírez de Hermosillo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

                       
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Yo solo tengo un matrimonio de María Antonia Casillas y Cabrera con Juan Francisco de Aceves. Y de los Estrada yo tampoco tengo mucha información.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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del primer  francisco tengo a los padres como Francisco tadeo aceves y maria gomez de mendoza
y del segundo esposo, juan francisco aceves tengo como los padres a Juan aceves (hermosillo) ruiz de velasco  y Polonia Casillas Ramirez
Parece que el padre del segundo es primo hermano del primer esposo.

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From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
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Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] abuelos de maria luisa estrada gomez

Yo solo tengo un matrimonio de María Antonia Casillas y Cabrera con Juan Francisco de Aceves. Y de los Estrada yo tampoco tengo mucha información.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

                       
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El arbol de maria antonia de casillas y cabrera es lo yo tengo.
Hay que sacar la acta del matrimonio para ver cuales eran los padres del primer esp

Yo tengo jose francisco matias aceves come el nombre. completo de matias
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Yo tengo a Juan Francisco de Aceves y Gutierrez de Hermosillo (Matias de
Aceves, Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo) casado con Maria Antonia Casillas y
Cabrera y Casillas y Cabrera (Jacinto Ventura Casillas y Cabrera, Ana
Casillas y Cabrera), y tu a quien mas tienes?

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Yo tengo a Juan Francisco de Aceves y Gutierrez de Hermosillo (Matias de
Aceves, Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo) casado con Maria Antonia Casillas y
Cabrera y Casillas y Cabrera (Jacinto Ventura Casillas y Cabrera, Ana
Casillas y Cabrera), y tu a quien mas tienes?

Comentario

Yo tengo los mismos datos que tiene Ricardo Rodríguez. Juan Francisco es hijo de Matías de Aceves y María Gutiérrez de Hermosillo; y María Antonia lo es de Jacinto Ventura Casillas y Cabrera y Ana María Casillas y Cabrera.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Al primer esposo no mas lo tengo como francisco sin juan. Y a matias lo tengo jose francisco matias aceves hermosillo como su nombre
Ricci
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Sent: Dec 15, 2009 3:18 PM

Yo tengo los mismos datos que tiene Ricardo Rodríguez. Juan Francisco es hijo de Matías de Aceves y María Gutiérrez de Hermosillo; y María Antonia lo es de Jacinto Ventura Casillas y Cabrera y Ana María Casillas y Cabrera.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION

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Genealogy Research

Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.

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Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),

Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".

My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution.

What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.

Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?

En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.

Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.

Gracias de antemano.

P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.

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Emilie:

Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).

By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?

Best regards.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),> > Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".> > My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution. > > What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: viteliky > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:25 AM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > > > Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.> > Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?> > En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana. > > Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.> > Gracias de antemano.> > P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Alessandro,

Thank you for the explanation.

The ancestors of my father that I think were Italian (not in Jalpa, but in Zacatecas, where my father was born) were Suriano and Lucio.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION

Emilie:

Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).

By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?

Best regards.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),> > Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".> > My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution. > > What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> -----

Comentario

Hello all.

I'm finally getting around to introducing myself and the beginnings of my family research:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17213

It's very exciting to see how far some have been able to take their histories.  Although I'm just getting started in my research,  I hope that at some point, something I've found out will help someone else.

Happy hunting,
Rebecca

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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260

I have been doing Genealogy for 5 years and found my roots from my mother and father side are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco area. I have my genealogy file in the files area of the group under, "Cuellar, Danny" but you can find it directly at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260
So far I gone up to the 1700's and hopefully would like to go back even further to find my ancestors that came from Spain.

Comentario

My name is Mike Gordoa Jr. and I am seeking the family of my father, Miguel Gordoa Acosta.My father was born 29 September 1908 in the vicinity of the Hacienda Pasjae near Pedricenas, Durango (from baptismal record ). He was the son of Alfredo Gordoa and Juana Acosta.My grandmother, Juana Acosta, was born in la Punta, Aguascaliente and I have traced her genealogy back to her grandfather`s family in la Punta ( near Rincon de Romos, Agus. ).
What I know about my Grandfather Gordoa is that he was a mining engineer and was killed in a mining accident in the Cuencame area of Durango in the year 1910. His parents were Miguel Gordoa and Tomasa Mata.I have searched for answers via the FHC and Gordoa`s from Spain and Mexico who helped and encouraged me on my quest to find the family of my grandfather Gordoa.I have found no records of my grandfather`s death or the baptism of my two aunts,Tomasa and Emilia born in 1906 and 1910.My grandmother with her 3 children crossed into the USA at Eagle Pass, Texas on 23 December 1910.
The first Gordoa from Spain was Francisco Ignacio Gordoa who came to Oaxaca about 1740. He married a Peruivan lady named Justa Lorenza de Loaeza on 27 April 1753 in Jerez de Oaxaca.They had 7 children and the family story is well documented.Two sons migrated to central mexico and made their fortunes in agriculture and mining. I believe that my Grandfather belongs to the branch of Juan Francisco Gordoa who settled in Pinos, Zacatecas and married Mariana de Barrios. They had 12 children, 4 of which were priests, and one became the first mexican bishop of Guadalahara. His name was Doctor Don Jose Miguel Gordoa y Barrios.Juan Gordoa`s second marriage was to Maria Luiza Flores de Moyeda in Pinos on 4 october 1792. They had 4 children that I have baptismal records. One of their children, Jose Miguel Benito Gordoa was baptised in Pinos on 26 December 1797 and married Felipa Diaz de Leon ( no record ). They had at least 6 children that I know. I have baptismal records for all but tw
o.
One son, Juan Nepomuceno Gordoa was baptised in San Luis Potosi, SLP on 26 August 1829. He married Flavia Montes ( no records ). This information was told to me by a lady who is writing a book on the Gordoa Family. Juan N. and Flavia had 9 children that I have baptismal records. The first child was baptised in Lagos de Moreno in 7 September 1861. Her name was Maria Donaciana Gordoa Montes.
Her baptismal record said she lived in San Teresa, Jalisco.This was the last record of the Gordoa`s at the church in Lagos de Moreno.
I pickup the trail for the family of Juan N. again at a church in Leon, Guanajuato. The remainder of the 8 children were baptised there. Two of the sons were : Pedro Miguel de la Santisma Trinidad baptised 30 April 1863
Miguel Octaviano Merced de la Trinidad baptised 23 March 1865
Miguel Octaviano is the strongest candidate to be my long lost grandfather. He could have gone to college and married my grandmother before the eldest sister of my father was born in 1906 in Mexico.There is a Rancho San Jose de Gordoa which is part of the town of Santa Teresa. The lady writing the book told me that Juan N. lived there.This rancho is close to Lagos de Moreno, Jal. and Leon, Gto.
Many of our members are from this area or have family in this area.I need your help.I am at a deadend.Does anyone know of the Gordoa family of this area? If the ranch still belongs to the Gordoa family, I would be willing to make a trip there.I have been searching for my family roots for nearly 10 years.I have traced the family of Fracisco Ignacio Gordoa back to Zalduendo, Basque Province of Alava,Spain to the late 1500`s But I don1t know how I connect to the Gordoa family of Mexico. Thanks in advance for whatever help can be provided. I know this group represents a wealth of expertise and information. I have learned a great deal from all of you. I should have asked for your help long ago.I apologize if my plea is long winded but wanted to share what I know.

Mike Gordoa Jr.
Fort Worth, Texas

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I have just started researching my father's family who settled in
Bakersfield, CA after coming here around the years 1915-1920. His mother was Ysabel
Munoz from Aguascalientes. The surnames connected to her are: Munoz, Esparza,
Soria, Naranjo, Canales, Martinez, Trevino, Renteria, Sepulveda and Garcia.
His father was Jesus Mora from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. For now, I am
concentrating on my Grandfather's family. The surnames connected to his family
are: Mora, Jaime/Jayme/Xayme, Moran, Pedroza, Alba, Romo, Lopez, Cueva,
Villalobos, Delgado, Tiscareno, de Lizaldi (Elisalde?), Esparza and Gabay. I
have already found 2 distant relatives through this site who have been VERY
helpful. Thank you, Luis and Daniel!
I am currently going over the films from Encarnacion de Diaz for the years
1860-1890 trying to find the birth and marriage records for my paternal
grandparents, Sabina Jaime and Narciso Mora. I have found Narciso's information,
but not Sabina's. Her birth year is anywhere from 1868 to 1871. There are
about 20 years between Sabina and her sister, Norberta and I have been unable to
find any other siblings. Also, Narciso's marriage records names "Higinia
Muniz". There is a child for them born in 1888 but the next child born in 1889
lists Sabina as the mother. So I am also searching for a death record for
Higinia. What is confusing is that Higinia's parents raised Sabina's father,
Jose Refugio Jaime.
I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
Thank you for providing this opportunity to help each other connect to our
roots.
Sherri
(What is correct: Sherri Bass-Mora or Sherri Mora de Bass?)
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Hello KanakaLele,

I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.

Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:

> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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Stuart,

Confirmations were oftentimes at the same time as baptisms but could also be every 3 or 4 years, depending on when the Bishop could make it to your parish. Sometimes the Confirmandi had to go to another parish rather than wait several years for the Bishop to visit the home parish.

It was not like it is here at a set age.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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To: "KanakaLele@aol.com"
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 3:58:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction

Hello KanakaLele,

I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.

Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:

> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Comentario

The 1844 confirmations for Yahualica, Jalisco, lasted days and included well
over a thousand. It looks to me like anyone and everyone of all ages from
the parish got confirmed.

Comentario

Hi Sherri
,Its Daniel, I think since La Chona "Encarnacion de Diaz" was a small amry post I think or a small settlement prob. they went to nearby cities, like in my case. I had people from LA Chona who got baptized in Lagos, Tepa, and Teocaltiche. -Daniel

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Sherri,

I took a look at the Ahnentafel Chart for Narcisco Mora Moran, that you have in your folder, and I was able to add a few people to it. I don't know if you already have found these individuals, but take a look at it.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Ahnentafel Chart for Narcisco Mora Moran

First Generation
1. Narcisco Mora Moran was born on 27 Oct 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 1 Nov 1867 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 29 Jun 1942 in Los Angeles, California, USA.

Narcisco married (1) Maria Sabina Jaime daughter of Jose Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza on 20 Apr 1887 in Mexico. Maria was born in 1870 in Santa Maria, Mexico.

They had the following children:
i. Jose Mora .
ii. Maria de la Luz Mora was born in Mexico.
iii. Jesus Mora was born on 10 May 1888 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He died on 9 Apr 1979 in Bakersfield, Kern, California, USA. Jesus married Isabel M. Munoz in 1907 in Aguascalientes, Mexico.
iv. Jose del Refugio Mora was born on 28 May 1891 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 28 May 1891 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 3 Nov 1963 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
v. Miguel Mora was born on 29 Jan 1895 in Mexico. He was christened on 4 Feb 1895 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 17 Jun 1967 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
vi. Trinidad Mora was born in 1897. He died on 25 May 1923 in Texas, USA.
vii. Maria de Refugio Mora was born on 15 May 1901 in Mexico. She died on 24 Jul 1957 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
viii. Maria de Jesus Mora was born on 6 Jul 1904 in Aguascalientes, Mexico. She died on 18 Jun 2000 in San Francisco, California, USA.
ix. Manuel J Mora was born on 24 Dec 1906 in Mexico. He died on 6 Feb 1977 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
x. Guadalupe Mora was born on 18 May 1907 in Mexico. She died on 24 Mar 2001 in San Francisco, California, USA.
xi. Tomas Mora was born on 19 Jul 1911 in Mexico. He died on 8 Mar 1990.
xii. Lorenzo Mora Jaime was christened on 11 Aug 1889 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

Narcisco married (2) Higinia Muniz daughter of Lazaro Muniz and Tereza Lopez on 20 Apr 1887 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Higinia was born in Santa Maria .

They had the following children:
xiii. José De Jesus Mora Munis was christened on 10 May 1888 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

Second Generation
2. TOMAS MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 26 Dec 1830 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MARIA SALOME MORAN CHAVEZ on 17 Apr 1861 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
3. MARIA SALOME MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 25 Oct 1839 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

They had the following children:
i. Julian Mora Moran  was christened on 5 Aug 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. Narcisco Mora Moran  was born on 27 Oct 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 1 Nov 1867 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 29 Jun 1942 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
iii. Rafael Mora Moran  was christened on 7 Nov 1869 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. Luiza Mora Moran  was christened on 15 Oct 1871 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Primitvo Mora Moran  was christened on 30 Nov 1873 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. Rafael Mora Moran  was christened on 7 Apr 1878 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. Antonio Mora Moran  was christened on 30 Aug 1880 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
viii. Maria de la Trinidad Mora Moran  was christened on 27 May 1883 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

Third Generation

4. JOSE LEANDRO MORA DELGADO was christened on 12 Mar 1797 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MARIA DE LA MERCED VILLALOBOS on 7 May 1817 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
5. MARIA DE LA MERCED VILLALOBOS .

They had the following children:
i. PEDRO JOSE MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 23 May 1819 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. MARIA DEL PILAR MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 18 Oct 1824 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. MARCOS MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 27 Apr 1827 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MA. DEL REFUGIO MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 27 Apr 1827 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. TOMAS MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 26 Dec 1830 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. VALENTINA MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 24 May 1833 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. SEBERA MORA VILLALOBOS  was christened on 15 Nov 1835 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
viii. FELIX MORA VILLALOBOS  was born in San Macos. He was christened on 14 Jul 1839 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
FELIX married MARIA CONCEPCION MORA MORA  daughter of Florencio Mora and Ursula Mora on 26 Nov 1886 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. MARIA was born in San Marcos. She was christened on 18 Dec 1853 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

6. ANASTACIO MORAN .ANASTACIO married GERONIMA CHAVEZ on 2 Feb 1834 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
7. GERONIMA CHAVEZ .

They had the following children:
i. BENITA MORAN CHAVES  was christened on 13 Jan 1835 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. LEONARDO MORAN CHAVEZ  was christened on 10 Nov 1836 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
LEONARDO married Bonifacia Lopez  daughter of Luciano Lopez and Maria del Refugio Diaz on 4 May 1859 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Bonifacia was christened on 18 May 1844 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. PERPETUO MORAN CHAVEZ  was christened on 21 Apr 1838 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
PERPETUO married Leandra Aguilera Villalobos  daughter of Cecilio Aguilera and Maria Isidora Villalobos on 25 Jun 1862 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Leandra was christened on 5 Mar 1843 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MARIA SALOME MORAN CHAVEZ  was christened on 25 Oct 1839 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. MARIA LEONIDA MORAN CHAVEZ  was christened on 11 Aug 1842 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. JOSE MA. DE JESUS MORAN CHAVEZ  was christened on 11 Aug 1844 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
JOSE married Genoveva Gutierrez  daughter of Juan Gutierrez and Maria Nieves Martin on 1 Jun 1864 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Genoveva was christened on 1 May 1848 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. MA. GERTRUDIS MORAN CHAVEZ  was christened on 16 Nov 1845 in
Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

Fourth Generation
8. Jose Rafael MORA .Jose married Maria Nicolasa Delgado Ponce on 8 Feb 1796 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
9. Maria Nicolasa Delgado Ponce was christened on 22 Dec 1771 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

They had the following children:
i. JOSE LEANDRO MORA DELGADO  was christened on 12 Mar 1797 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. JOSE MA. MORA Delgado  was christened on 7 Jun 1798 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. MARIA GUILLERMA MORA DELGADO  was christened on 19 Feb 1800 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MARIA PABLA MORA DELGADO  was christened on 21 Jun 1801 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Jose Sesilio MORA DELGADO  was christened on 25 Nov 1804 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. Maria Paula MORA DELGADO  was christened on 22 Jun 1807 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

10. Bacilio VILLALOBOS .Bacilio married Maria Cruz.
11. Maria Cruz .

They had the following children:
i. MARIA DE LA MERCED VILLALOBOS .

Fifth Generation
16. Pedro MORA .Pedro married Antonia GONZALES.
17. Antonia GONZALES .

They had the following children:
i. Jose Rafael MORA .

18. Joseph Magdaleno DELGADO .Joseph married MARIA DE LOS DOLORES PONZE on 28 Apr 1754 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
19. MARIA DE LOS DOLORES PONZE .

They had the following children:
i. JPH. ANTONIO DE LA CRUZ DELGADO PONZE  was christened on 16 May 1763 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
ii. JPH. RAMON NONNATO DELGADO PONZE  was christened on 15 Sep 1765 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
iii. MARIA JULIANA DEL CARMEL DELGADO PONSE  was christened on 17 Apr 1768 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
iv. MARIA FRANCA. DELGADO PONZE  was christened on 2 Dec 1769 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
v. Maria Nicolasa Delgado Ponce  was christened on 22 Dec 1771 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Comentario

Jonathan,
Thank you so much for sharing your information. I have a copy of the church record for the marriage between Narciso and Higinia but not Narciso and Sabina. The date for Sabina's marriage has to be between May 1888 and early 1889 according to the baptism records of the children of Narciso. I also have not been successful in finding death information for Higinia. The marriage date you have for Higinia and Sabina are identical. Could it be that they are the same person? If so, how could it be confirmed? You can contact me personally at kanakalele@aol.com if you'd like to go into more detail. Also, I have pictures of their graves-would this be something to post on this site?
Sherri Mora
P.S. Are the people you addded part of your tree? If so, does that make us related? I've found 2 possibly 3 other relatives through this site!

Comentario

Sherri,

I doubt that Higinia and Sabina are the same person. They have different
parents. The parents of Higinia are Lazaro Muniz and Teresa Lopez. And
Sabina parents are Jose Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza. But with a
little more researching, you should be able to learn more about the two
wives.

Also, the indivuals that I added, they are not from any of my lines (I don't
have any ancestral lines through Mexico). I found those individuals, using
FamilySearch. The reason, that I looked at your lines, is that I have
researched some Mora lines in Encarnacion de Diaz and Lagos de Moreno.

Thanks,
Jonathan

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From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sherri Mora's lines
Date: 05/11/09 00:56

> Jonathan,
> Thank you so much for sharing your information. I have a copy of the
church record for the marriage between Narciso and Higinia but not Narciso
and Sabina. The date for Sabina's marriage has to be between May 1888 and
early 1889 according to the baptism records of the children of Narciso. I
also have not been successful in finding death information for Higinia. The
marriage date you have for Higinia and Sabina are identical. Could it be
that they are the same person? If so, how could it be confirmed? You can
contact me personally at kanakalele@aol.com if you'd like to go into more
detail. Also, I have pictures of their graves-would this be something to
post on this site?
> Sherri Mora
> P.S. Are the people you addded part of your tree? If so, does that make us
related? I've found 2 possibly 3 other relatives through this site!

Comentario

Hi Jonathan,
Under normal circumstances I would not suspect that they were one person, however, Sabina's father, Jose Refugio Jayme, was raised by Lasaro Muniz and Teresa Lopez-the parents listed for Higinia Muniz. Yes, it's confusing. I'm reviewing films from Encarnacion so I will take a look at your reports and pass along anything I think may be helpful. I find lots of helpful info by just browsing.
Sherri Mora

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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17946

I am doing research on the Reyes and Ybarra families that came from and through Mexico.

I have been researching Juan Joseph Reyes y Diaz, b. between 1716-1723 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico, d. Mexico, married to Maria Gertrudis Reyes between 1740-1748 Zapotlan Del Rey, Jalisco Mexico, b. Between 1720-1727 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico d. Mexico, son - Juan Francisco Reyes b. Bet 1745-1749 Zapotlan El Grande Mexcio, d. 8 Nov 1809 Mission San Gabriel, Alta California.

and

Desiderio Ybarra, b. about 1719, Mexico, married to Guiol b. about 1723

I have extensive information forward but not backwards, like who are the parents of the above, and where did they live, and their grandparents.

I am at a road block here and would appreciate any help anyone can give.

Thank you,

Tina Reyes

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Hi Tina, welcome to the group. I think the mistake people most often make, is not being informed on greography, if you know the geography when researching, this will help you enough. History is important too. Well it appears your area is where my father is from. His grandparents being from Los Altos de Jalisco. Zapotlán el Grande is also known as Ciudad Guzmán. Zapotlán del Rey only has records around the mid 1700 to the present day. Ciudad Guzmán starts in 1666 or so. You have to worry about checking tin the right places. just because you dont find someone in X place doesnt mean they're out there. Zapotlán del Rey will be tricky but Ciudad Guzmán will be easier. Ive done about 3 films from there (they were already in my FHC), people tend to stay around there in the area. You also have to take in consideration Los Altos is up the road from Zapotlán del Rey. They might have also come from there. Send me what you have I may be of some help. My cousin Linda Castañón has also done extensive research in these areas, you might want to communicate with her, she might have some tips and such for you. Just start ordering films when your ready.

-Daniel Cmaino

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Hi Tina and Daniel, I did check my data base and do not have this Reyes couple.  I will double check what I have but I only enter into into my files my families and the families they married into.  Daniel is right though, the films for Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman have many records for Zapotlan Del Rey.

happy hunting..

Linda in B.C.

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:

From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:43 AM

Hi Tina, welcome to the group. I think the mistake people most often make, is not being informed on greography, if you know the geography when researching, this will help you enough. History is important too. Well it appears your area is where my father is from. His grandparents being from Los Altos de Jalisco. Zapotlán el Grande is also known as Ciudad Guzmán. Zapotlán del Rey only has records around the mid 1700 to the present day. Ciudad Guzmán starts in 1666 or so. You have to worry about checking tin the right places. just because you dont find someone in X place doesnt mean they're out there. Zapotlán del Rey will be tricky but Ciudad Guzmán will be easier. Ive done about 3 films from there (they were already in my FHC), people tend to stay around there in the area. You also have to take in consideration Los Altos is up the road from Zapotlán del Rey. They might have also come from there. Send me what you have I may be of some help. My
cousin Linda Castañón has also done extensive research in these areas, you might want to communicate with her, she might have some tips and such for you. Just start ordering films when your ready.

-Daniel Cmaino

mendezdelcamino@live.com

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Tina I checked my records and found in the years you mentioned baptism records from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman do not contain grandparents.  The marriage records do so that would be your best bet for finding elusive grandparents.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Linda in B.C.

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Tina Reyes wrote:

From: Tina Reyes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:02 AM

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17946

I am doing research on the Reyes and Ybarra families that came from and through Mexico.

I have been researching Juan Joseph Reyes y Diaz, b. between 1716-1723 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico, d. Mexico, married to Maria Gertrudis Reyes between 1740-1748 Zapotlan Del Rey, Jalisco Mexico, b. Between 1720-1727 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico d. Mexico, son - Juan Francisco Reyes b. Bet 1745-1749 Zapotlan El Grande Mexcio, d. 8 Nov 1809 Mission San Gabriel, Alta California.

and

Desiderio Ybarra, b. about 1719, Mexico, married to Guiol b. about 1723

I have extensive information forward but not backwards, like who are the parents of the above, and where did they live, and their grandparents.

I am at a road block here and would appreciate any help anyone can give.

Thank you,

Tina Reyes

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Juan Arguelles

Born: 1851 Jalisco México

Died: 1923 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Juan Arguelles first wife was named Josepha De La Torres

Married Maria Enciso (Second wife)

Born: 1874 Jalisco, México

Died: 1916 Zacataces, Jalisco México

Their children: # 4 is my Grandmother;

1) Pedro Arguelles

Born: 1896 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Chr: Huejucar, Jalisco México

2) Jesusita Arguelles

Born: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Chr: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Died: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Jesusita died two days after birth.

3) Salvador Arguelles Spouse: Jusus Ledaxma

Born: 1900 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Chr: 1900 Huejucar, Jalisco México

Died: 1950 Vera Cruz, México

4) Virginia Arguelles Cesena Spouse: Arthur Cesena

Born: July 29th 1902 Huejucar, Mexico

Chr: 1902 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Died: July 27th 1978 Stockton, California

5) Constantion Ricardo Arguelles

Born: April 29th 1906 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Died: November 16th 1978 Concord, California

6) Carmen Arguelles Cadena Spouse: Cenaido Cadena

Born: January 31st 1908 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

7) Victor Arguelles Spouse: Flora Garcia

Born: February 1st 1910 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

8) Lupe Arguelles Martinez Spouse: John Martinez

Born: 1912 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Died: May 4th 1979 Santa Rosa, California

9) Jesusita Arguelles

Born: 1914 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

Died: 1914 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico

This is the second child named Jesusita that was born and died two days later.

Here is the link to the file. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17864

I am trying to locate any children that any of the submitted names possibly had. Also, I am looking for any information regarding Juan Arguelles parents and information about his first wife, Josepha De La Torres.

Thank You,

Rob Cesena

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http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18257

Hello,

I am very excited and happy to be able to be a part of this online community. Over the years I have had a lot of questions as to the whereabouts and descendants of my parents. My parents have been able to furnish some information regarding their ancestry, but there continues to be lots of gaps regarding dates and complete names. I was looking for information online one day when I bumped into this particular website. I knew both my parents were from Aguascalientes, and I had just assumed that their parents were too. Much to my surprise, after I asked my parents about my grandparents they told me that all of my grandparents were from Los Altos de Jalisco.

My name is Hilda del Carmen Davalos Moreno, I am interested in researching the Davalos, Moreno, Lopez, Franco, Marquez, Gutierrez families... I am barely starting so I have a shaky skeleton of information. It is an exciting learning experience to learn about my ancestors.

My maternal grandfather was Leodegario Moreno Franco b. Oct. 2, 1912 San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, who married Maria de los Angeles Lopez Gutierrez born in 1916 from San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco. His father was Jose Trinidad Moreno Lozano married to Amelia Franco. Jose Trinidad Moreno Lozano died April, 18, 1957. My mother has given me these dates.

My maternal grandmother Maria de los Angeles Lopez Gutierrez' parents were Josefa Gutierrez Jimenez from San Miguel el Alto, Jal. I have no dates yet regarding my great grandmother. My grandmother's father was Refugio Lopez Munoz, from San Miguel el Alto.

The curious thing now is that my grandmothers are sisters therefore, my parents are cousins so my paternal grandmother Maria Elena Lopez Gutierrez' (b. 1928' parents are the same as above.

My paternal grandfather was Dario Davalos Marquez born in 1918 San Miguel el Alto. This is all I have as of right now so I am very excited to see what lots of new information will come my way... So I am asking assistance to find more information on all aspects of my family...

Thank you.

Christobal de Villalpando = Maria Antonia de Villareal

Published by Paul Gomez –
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Genealogy Research

Christobal de Villalpando and Maria Antonia de Villareal are my 6th great grandparents. Does anyone know who their parnets were? I seem to have come to the end of the line.

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Comentario

Paul, what are the approximate dates and locations were they might be
from? I have Villalpando and Villareal in my family. --Esther Jordan Lopez

paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:
> Christobal de Villalpando and Maria Antonia de Villareal are my 6th
> great grandparents. Does anyone know who their parnets were? I seem
> to have come to the end of the line.

Comentario

It's was a pleasant surprise, to receive your e-mail, Esther.

Christobal de Villalpando married Maria Antonia de Villareal sometime before
1731, which is the approximate birth year of one of their children, Juan
Manuel Villalpando, who married Maria Gertrudis de Soto on 20 Feb 1757 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco. If you wish I can scan and e-mail you a copy of their
marriage document, which states that their parents were Christobal de
Villalpando and Maria de Villareal.

I hope that this information will assist you in your family history
research.

Paul Gomez

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christobal de Villalpando = Maria Antonia
deVillareal

Paul, what are the approximate dates and locations were they might be

from? I have Villalpando and Villareal in my family. --Esther Jordan Lopez

paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:

> Christobal de Villalpando and Maria Antonia de Villareal are my 6th

> great grandparents. Does anyone know who their parnets were? I seem

> to have come to the end of the line.

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Paul,
I did. However, I am visiting my son in Northern California so I don't
have much information with me (I forgot to bring it, :-) but I don't
have information going that far back. Leticia helped with these names
and I only have to mid 1850's. I probably can connect but it may not be
for some time. Do you have anything for 1800's? Is Rancho Cucamonga
toward L.A.? I lived in Northern California for a while, so I don't
remember where Rancho Cucamonga is.

Anyway, the names you mentioned sure sound familiar and hope when I get
home I can check things out further. I'm in San Diego County.
-Esther

paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:
> Esther,
>
> Did you have a chance to read my response yet?
>
> Paul Gomez

Ramualdo Huizar y Cruz Miramontes

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I would like to know if anyone has any information on Ramualdo Huizar and Cruz Miramontes,, one child born in 1889, Aniceto Huizar. we believe he was from the Colotlan area of Jalisco.

Meeting of Rancho's members being planned

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Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society of Northern California is in the planning stages of a reunion with members of Nuestros Ranchos from the Southern California area.

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Films Section Upgraded - Mejoramiento de Seccion de Rollos

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ESPANOL SIGUE ABAJO

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Thank you to all the volunteers!! I really appreciate your dediction to this group and I wanted to personally say to you all that your efforts do not go unnoticed. Jose Luis Felix has been a "thoughful cousin" as he has shared some of his records with me.

Gracias a todos los voluntarios. Les agradecemos el apoyo que le dan a este grupo. Y un especial agradecimiento a Jose Luis Felix por ser un "primo generoso," y haberme aportado algunos datos sobre los Felix de Nochistlan.

Saludos y Felices Fiestas a todos los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos!

Happy Holidays to all the members of Nuestros Ranchos!

-Claudia

Lucas de Ochoa y Josefa Lopez de Lara

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Me encuentro atorado con la pareja que fueron Lucas De ochoa y Maria Josefa Lopez de Lara, padres de:

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¿Cómo me puedo meter al portal de los mormones? Yo sabía pero ya lo olvide.
 
Muchas gracias
 
Juan Ramón Alvarez

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, migueltran@gmail.com wrote:

From: migueltran@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lucas de Ochoa y Josefa Lopez de Lara
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:21 AM

   Me encuentro atorado con la pareja que fueron  Lucas De ochoa y Maria Josefa Lopez de Lara, padres de:
   1.-Julian, Casado el 10 de febrero de 1752 en Lagos con Juana Maria de Arce y Castilla, hija de Sebastian de Arce y Castilla y de Juana Gomez Calvillo
   2.-José, Casado el 17 de febrero 1749 igualmente en Lagos, con Barbara Moreno Rodriguez, hija ésta de Antonio Moreno Rodriguez y de Juana de Nava

   No he encontrado ni matrimonio de Lucas y Josefa, ni Bautizo de alguno de sus hijos.Ojalá álguien pueda ayudarme.

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www.Familysearch.org

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Alvarez
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:52 AM
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¿Cómo me puedo meter al portal de los mormones? Yo sabía pero ya lo olvide.
 
Muchas gracias
 
Juan Ramón Alvarez

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, migueltran@gmail.com wrote:

From: migueltran@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lucas de Ochoa y Josefa Lopez de Lara
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:21 AM

   Me encuentro atorado con la pareja que fueron  Lucas De ochoa y Maria
Josefa Lopez de Lara, padres de:
   1.-Julian, Casado el 10 de febrero de 1752 en Lagos con Juana Maria de
Arce y Castilla, hija de Sebastian de Arce y Castilla y de Juana Gomez
Calvillo
   2.-José, Casado el 17 de febrero 1749 igualmente en Lagos, con Barbara
Moreno Rodriguez, hija ésta de Antonio Moreno Rodriguez y de Juana de Nava

   No he encontrado ni matrimonio de Lucas y Josefa, ni Bautizo de alguno de
sus hijos.Ojalá álguien pueda ayudarme.

Originals or Not

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Having spent considerable time with the Pilot.FamilySearch images of
christening records of Rincón de Romos and San José de Gracia,

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Muchas gracias, Stuart, for taking the time to share your insights re the
source of copying errors. They are much appreciated. -Raquel

Genaro Codina - composer

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I am trying to document my link to Genaro Codina, composer of Marcha Zacatecas. He was born in the city of Zacatecas in 1852 to Santiago Codina and Maria Dolores Fernandez.

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Hi Omar,

I don't have any new information for you but your Surname caught my attention since the only time I have seen it is when Godina is mispelled or read incorrectly... Except, I have heard of the composer, Genaro Codina and I believe there is also a city by the same name...

Out of curiosity, what is the name of Jose Eufracio Codina's spouse and date of marriage? Also, what is the name of Mucio Codina's spouse? I too have family from Jerez, Zacatecas and I am just curious if my family crossed your family's path...

Thanks,
Angie Godina

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Hi Angie,

Interesting how these two surnames are so similar. Please look under the 'Files' tab at the top of the page and find Codina. I have a partial genealogy register (pdf document) for Jose Eufracio Codina. See if any of the names listed look familiar. After you see the names, please let me know what you think.

Thanks....Omar

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My family said the same thing about toribio romo and mu granfather. They saiD that they were 3rd cousins. I did the research and found them to be 3rd cousins three times and another link of 3rd cousin once removed. Sometimes there so many links between individuals That they seem closer related than they actually are.
R A Ricci
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genaro Codina - composer
Sent: Dec 2, 2009 2:35 PM

I am trying to document my link to Genaro Codina, composer of Marcha Zacatecas. He was born in the city of Zacatecas in 1852 to Santiago Codina and Maria Dolores Fernandez. Family history has it that he was 'primo hermano' (first cousin) to my great grandfather, Mucio Codina. That would make Genaro's father and Mucio's father brothers and their father would be Jose Eufracio Codina.

Jose Eufracio married in Jerez, Zacatecas and had several children there but I found no record for Santiago Codina. FamilySearch IGI has an unsourced record for Santiago's marriage in Zacatecas, Zacatecas in 1851 but I have been unable to find the church record in the Family History Library films. My search has been hampered by missing years in the films.

If anyone has run across any of there names in your research, I would greatly appreciate your help.

Omar Codina

Vera family research from Calvillo Aguascalientes

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Looking for information and family from Vera family... Luis Vera y Francisca Jimenez, Julio Jimenez y Telesfora Esparza and Remualdo Vera y Tiburcia Paredes

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I have info on Julio Jimenez and Telesfora as well on Romualdo Vera and Tiburcia PAredes,

what do you need exactly? Ancestors go back to at least mid 1700s. Kids? Grandkids?
-Daniel

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Hi Daniel.

I'm just learning about all this, and I have only the information on my grandmother's baptizm certificate. Her name was Maria Martina Vera, daughter of Luis Vera and Francisca Jimenez. Ramualdo and Tiburcia and Julio and Telesfora were her grandparents
Any information you can help me with would be greatly appreciated. I would like to know if there is family on the Vera side that we can learn about.

Thank you for responding.. you made my day !

Marina Shields

Voluntario/a

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Muchas gracias a la persona anonima, miembro de este grupo, por haber proporcionado las imagenes de paginas de la Iglesia Mormona (LDS) que contienen gran cantidad de numeros validos de lotes (batch)d

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Joseph, parece que te estas refiriendo a los números de Batch que se encuentran en: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248

Con mucho gusto me gustaría ayudar a definir cuales números de batch sirven y cuales no. Yo eh utilizado listas similares y cuando no sirve el numero de batch de vez en cuando funciona el numero de microfilm puede ser utilizado para ver la misma lista que la del numero de batch.

Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane

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