Nuestros Ranchos Site

Messages like this are all I need to realize the value of the group.
Thank you Daniel for expressing your gratitude. . .knowing your joy
brings great joy to me. Don't anyone neglect to value the importance of
finding lost family. I remember when I was a child I was stunted by an
event that is crystal clear in my mind to this day. I was left at a
child day care with not enough advanced preparation. It was truly
terrorizing and something I'll remember for the rest of my life. Said
all that to say that imagine if my parents never returned and the one
day turned into a week into a month into a year into 200 years. Imagine
the joy I felt when my parents returned to pick me up and we were
reunited. So likewise imagine the joy our ancestors are experiencing
everytime our families find each other again.

yeah yeah yeah there I go again.

Families finding each other is a great Christmas gift for all!

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

mormonboy74 wrote:
> I would like to thank my recent found Cousin Linda from Everett. She has given my a great Christmas gift one I found a lost cousin I thought I would never find. My parents know her Gutierrez relatives very well but never met Linda. We have reunited a lost line. She has also helped me extend my Mendez line a lot. My Mendez line started from 1840 to 1750 thanks to her. I thank you Linda, I don't know how I would of continued my genealogy without your help. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone to this wonderful group. God Bless all of us with health and desire to continue our genealogy. -Daniel of San Jose, California.

since I just woke up and you just posted this I'll toss in a comment but
I'm by far no expert in DNA (I've CC'ed Gary Felix - Hi Gary. . .Feliz
Navidad - of the Mexico DNA project to comment if I totally miss the
boat on something: very possible):

to help your genealogy along using DNA you want to work with a Y-DNA
work up which is the one passed along through male individuals from
father to sons. mt-DNA is passed on from the mother to both sons and
daughters. So you can do your Y and mt DNA, but from my understanding
Y-DNA is much closer in time span to our present time while mt-DNA skips
back many many thousands of years back so it is harder to find a match
with someone who you can prove is your relative via a written document.

So what you do is have the 25 or 37 marker or even the next one 67?
marker test (the more markers the more likely you're a match if both
indivduals test the same). And you use it to compare first with
indivduals that have the same surname and you think might be your
relatives. If you all come up a match then you are related.

Then the way you advance your genealogy is to hope that the person you
matched up with has advanced their genealogy in a direction that will
help you. Otherwise you will be the one to help them. Then again on some
lines maybe you'll be able to help each other.

well I'm sure I might have worded wrong and I'm hoping others will comment.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

mormonboy74 wrote:
> How does this help one's genealogy? I heard you can see where you and someone else like Royal shared a common ancestor at one point. Can it extend your genealogy any further by doing this?

my cousin Angie Godinez showed me the Lopez Esparza familysearch.org
trick where you use that as the surname and check "exact spelling" then
you go back and do the three other versions of Lopes Esparza and Lopez
Esparsa and Lopes Esparsa and I guess you could try Lopez and Ezparsa
etc with all the other variations.

I'm late for work gotta go.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

mormonboy74 wrote:
> Is anyone researching the Lopez line in Huanusco Zacatecas?
>
> Here is my oldest Lopez of my line... Ramon LOPEZ (b. 1802) and his wife Crisanta Esparza (b. 1810)
>
> Any help is appreciated.

Pues ya no se como expresarte mi gratitud por cada vez que leo un correo tuyo hay algún detalle que aprender y bueno básicamente la historia es esta (ya no voy a usar los asentos por que ya me di cuenta que se ponen otros signos).

Los apellidos que estoy investigando son los que vienen por parte de mi mamá y son los siguientes:

Por parte del apellido paterno de mi mama son:
Rostro
Alderete

Por parte del apellido materno de mi mama son
Lozano
Ruvalcaba ó Rubalcava
Orozco ú Orozco

Y la verdad no había encontrado mucho, que creo solo encontre un Rostro en Cuquio, y asi dure varios meses pero en eso que me ve mi correo Leticia Calderon (Gracias Leticia por tu ayuda), y me dio un tip para buscar más informacion y entonces me salio una lista de 128 Rostro pero repartidos en varias areas de Jalisco dentro de las cuales una gran mayoria son de San Felipe, Cuquio Jalisco, y otros son de Ixtlahuacan del Rio.

Ahora bien, en tu correo que hablas que era probable que los sacerdotes viajaran de pueblo en pueblo, en vez que las personas viajaran hacia el pueblo y registrarse, pues a lo mejor los que encontre en varias regiones de Ixtlahuacan, Cuquio, Guadalajara, puede ser que sean parientes.

Otra cosa por la que me decidi primero a investigar el apellido Rostro, es por que no es un apellido tan comun y pense que seria mas sencillo.

Y cuando empece se me ocurrio buscar cual era el registro más antiguo que habia de este apellido, algo asi como buscar a Adan y Eva de mi apellido y de ahí investigar la linea, pero me encontre con varios registros y por ejemplo en la forma de busqueda normal la Rostro mas antigua que encontre fue una Damiana Rostro que fue bautizada (Christening) el 12 de octubre de 1602, en Granada, España.

Pero creo que estoy mal por empezar asi, tambien por lo que he leido en los correos de este grupo es que por error de los que escribian los registros o por que no tenian buena ortografia o por alguna otra causa los apellidos se degeneraron y mi apellido Rostro pudo tener como origen Buenrostro u otro, pero bueno hay que hacer investigacion.

Saludos
Fernando Perez

----- Original Message ----
From: mcortez
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:25:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio Jalisco, cont.

Fernando,

continuo aqui el mensaje que mande por error sin terminarlo...

¿Te queria preguntar que apellidos investigas tu? Mencionaste el apellido
Rostro, pero no recuerdo haberlo visto en los microfilms de Cuquio. Aunque
eso no quiere decir nada, ya que no es un apellido que yo este buscando.
¿Cuales son los apellidos que buscas en Cuquio?

Maria

Daniel you did a good job introducing yourself to the group. I only wish I had started doing genealogy at an earlier age like you but then again I would not have had th time I do in retirement. I'm glad my research into the Mendez family in Tamazula Jalisco gave you more information on our joint lineage since your gr-grandfather Francisco Mendez was my gr-grandmother Maria Mendez's brother. Just think, they were born in 1883 and 1884 and we are just getting to know each other through Nuestros Ranchos.. What a gift this group is to all of us. I have to think you are the youngest member at age 14.. well done!
Linda Castanon-Long

Lisa,

Have you looked or researched Nochistlan's records. They have extensive birth, baptism, marriage, death and census records for Rancho Lo de Carrera and Tenayuca Zacatecas.

You might want to order film # 1092601 for Nochistlan's civil birth records for the years 1909-1910. Remember that sometimes your relatives think they were born a certain year and they may have been born in or around that year. I always give it ± 10 years from the verbal date they give. You may want to check out Oficialia Toyahua which is near Tenayuca too, that would be film # 2245148 and it includes Births from 1871-1924, some years are missing but 1909 is included. It also includes Marriages 1875-1905 and some Death records from 1871-1920.
There are also 3 films for Baptisms for Nochistlan for those years, they are film #'s 0226696, 1907-1908,
0226697, Baptisms 1908-1909 and Baptisms 1909-1911, film # 0226698.

There are also Baptisms of hijos naturales de Nochistlan, 1902-1930, Film # 0226717.
If you need help let me know, we live very close to each other.

I think that about 30% of the records I view are from Tenayuca and Toyahua.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Lisa Gonzalez

Hello,
My name is Lisa Gonzalez, I live in Antioch California. I am researching my mother's side of the family; the Lopez and the Martinez families from Rancho Lo de Carrera, Tenayuca, Zacatecas. Most legal filings were made in Apulco, the nearest "big town."
My grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Lopez was born at Rancho Lo de Carrera in 1909. Her parents, Biviano Lopez and Crispina Martinez left Mexico soon after 1909 (family tradition says 1910) and settled in Morenci, AR. By the 1940s, most of the family had relocated to Los Angeles, or Oakland CA. I know the names of Biviano and Crispina's parents, but that's it.
I will mostly be using library, LDS resources, and the Internet.
I am extremely impressed and fascinated by the action on Nuestros Ranchos. I've been involved with genealogy for about five years and when I came across this site I knew I had finally arrived. I would appreciate any feedback.
I wiish you all a wonderful and fruitful New Year.

Hi Daniel, Rolon is Portuguese.. The slave traders were mostly Portuguese so this would not be unusual since the Rolon line in the 1600's were Mulatos. I've read that they brought many slaves from Angola during the late 1500's and early 1600's. So I think we can safely think our Rolon ancestor was either from Angola or brought over as a trained slave from South America where they were taken earlier to work the mines and the fields. Slaves were also taken to the Carribean Islands in the earlier years then also brought as trained workers to Mexico.
Linda in Everett

mormonboy74 wrote:

Does anyone know where this surname comes from? I know it's not Spain. I found it in several French genealogies as ROLIN. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

Hi, Mormonboy,

I am researching De Leon and Cervantes from Jalisco and De La Torre from Zacatecas. Please look at the group's Gedcom files, and you can search specific trees or by surname.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:04 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surnames, from JALISCO, MICHOACAN

is anyone searching these surnames? around Jalisco and Michoacan, CORTEZ, MORAN, FERNANDEZ, BARRERA, SERRANO, DE LEON, GUTIERREZ, DE LA CRUZ, RUBIO, DIAZ, ACEVES, CERVANTES, VALENCIA, MENDEZ, DE LA TORRE, DE LA CUEVA, GONZALEZ, FIGUEROA, ANGUIANO, DE CARDENAS, ALZARCEZ, DE CARMONA, URSUA, ROLON?

Have you had an opportunity to go into the files section of nuestros ranchos and to read up on the ranchos members' surnames and places of interest for each member? That might be a good starting point and in that way you will become familiar with the people, places and with the features of site.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:04:13 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surnames, from JALISCO, MICHOACAN

is anyone searching these surnames? around Jalisco and Michoacan, CORTEZ, MORAN, FERNANDEZ, BARRERA, SERRANO, DE LEON, GUTIERREZ, DE LA CRUZ, RUBIO, DIAZ, ACEVES, CERVANTES, VALENCIA, MENDEZ, DE LA TORRE, DE LA CUEVA, GONZALEZ, FIGUEROA, ANGUIANO, DE CARDENAS, ALZARCEZ, DE CARMONA, URSUA, ROLON?

My husband's great-grandmother was Marciana Cervantes, born in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco in 1869. She was the daughter of Ysac Cervantes, born in Encarnacion de Diaz in 1836. Ysac was the son of Dorotea Cervantes who was born in 1798 in Encarnacion de Diaz. The father of Dorotea was Juan Jose or Jph Anto. Cerbantes who married a Ma. Juliana Rubalcaba, and his father was Jose Cervantes. His mother was Magdalena Narvaes. That is as far as I have been able to trace that line.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cervantes from JALISCO

EMILIE I have a grandmother named Maria de Jesus CERVANTES born around 1790-1800 in ZAPOTILTIC, JALISCO. What part are your CERVANTES from in JALISCO? -DANIEL MENDEZ DEL CAMINO

Hey Tony,

I have lots of family from the Momax, Zacatecas area.

What surnames are you researching?

- Angie Godina

I am currently working on Jerez baptism records 439867 and 439868 covering the years 1899 to 1907. If anyone needs a record checked I'd be happy to oblige. I will have them for another 4 weeks.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Tony:

Welcome to the group. I am sure that you will find plenty of people willing to help you out with your research here, especially if you are willing to share your success stories. I think one of the great aspects of the group is getting to share in the successes of others such that when we are up against a brick wall, it is inspirational to see someone else make a breakthrough...

Here are my suggestions as to how to proceed.

The best resource is the LDS church and their website familysearch.org. They tend to only index events (baptisms and marriages) prior to 1900 so your grandfather's birth is right at the cusp of that so it would be very helpful to find out what his parents' names were... so:

1. Try to find an older relative who might know what his parents' names were

2. Find his death record in the social security death index and request a copy of his social security application which will list his parents

3. Find his marriage record... where was he married? In Chicago? His marriage record should list his parents

NEXT:

Go to the FILMS section of the site and find the marriages for Momax at the end of the 1800s and try to find his parent's marriage record. It may be that they were married in a neighboring town so you should try towns like Tlaltenango... look in the maps section and see what other towns are nearby. You will find that people often moved, though usually not too far.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

BTW... what is your grandfather's name?

Tony:

Welcome to the group. I am sure that you will find plenty of people willing to help you out with your research here, especially if you are willing to share your success stories. I think one of the great aspects of the group is getting to share in the successes of others such that when we are up against a brick wall, it is inspirational to see someone else make a breakthrough...

Here are my suggestions as to how to proceed.

The best resource is the LDS church and their website familysearch.org. They tend to only index events (baptisms and marriages) prior to 1900 so your grandfather's birth is right at the cusp of that so it would be very helpful to find out what his parents' names were... so:

1. Try to find an older relative who might know what his parents' names were

2. Find his death record in the social security death index and request a copy of his social security application which will list his parents

3. Find his marriage record... where was he married? In Chicago? His marriage record should list his parents

NEXT:

Go to the FILMS section of the site and find the marriages for Momax at the end of the 1800s and try to find his parent's marriage record. It may be that they were married in a neighboring town so you should try towns like Tlaltenango... look in the maps section and see what other towns are nearby. You will find that people often moved, though usually not too far.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

BTW... what is your grandfather's name?

Good to hear from you. Your English is just fine!

I think I found your tree. Are your parents Miguel
Lopez Lara and Trinidad Perez? There is almost nothing
to work with in that tree.
Can you tell me where, and when your parents were
born?

If we fill in a few blanks, that should satisfy
Joseph.

Have a great time in Jalisco.

--- Fernando Perez wrote:

> Ernie:
>
> My name is Fernando Pérez, my english it is not good
> but I will try my best.
>
> Would you help me with my family tree?, because I
> don´t want to be dropped from Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> Annex you will find my ged file.
>
> Please let me know what else I can do in order to
> improve me family tree.
>
> Also next month I´m going to travel to Cuquio, Jal.
> and see if I can get more information about my
> family.
>
> Regards
>
> Fernando Pérez
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ernie Alderete
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org;
> research@nuestrosranchos.org;
> announce@nuestrosranchos.org;
> general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:10:29 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members
> facing the gallows!
>
>
> For those of you about to be dropped from our roster
> I
> would like to offer my help in organizing your
> family
> tree, or research objectives.
>
> I am available here in person in San Francsicso, or
> by
> email.
> I like working with historical matters.
>
> If you have not submitted your family tree because
> you
> don't feel it is ready, at least let me take a look
> at
> it.
>
> We can work together to get you past the coming
> deadline.
> We are stonger as a community with you with us.
>
> Christmas greetings to all. Have a happy and healthy
> holiday.
>
> Ernie Alderete
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> San Francisco, Ca. 94121
>
> Felicidades Navidenas y Guadalupanas a todos.
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Hello Ernie ,

Maybe you could help me here , I am trying to connect my great great grandmother her name is Quirina Saldivar Gomez to Vicente de Zaldivar in Zacatecas . Quirina's father was Juan Jose Saldivar . I believe that his father was from Saltillo , Coahuila from there I don't have anymore info . I have read that one of Vicente's son's came to Saltillo , I just don't know when .

In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey in the protocolos there appears the name of Saldivar here is what it says :Fondo: Ciudad Metropolitana de Monterrey (segunda época)Sección de Fondo: MinasSerie: DonacionesTítulo: Donación de una barra de minaLengua: ESPAÑOLLugar: MONTERREYFecha: 12/Sep/1633Fojas: 1Colección: PROTOCOLOSVolumen: 1Expediente: 1Folio: 31 NO.21Notas: Descripción: Don Diego Fernández de Montemayor hace donación a doña Ana de Saldívar, hija del Capitán don Vicente de Saldívar, su sobrina, de una barra de mina de las cuatro que le pertenecen a doña Juliana de las Casas, su mujer, por donación de Marcos de las Casas, su hermano, en las minas de Nuestra Señora del Rosario, en el cerro de San Nicolás de Tolentino. Ante Miguel de Montemayor, Alcalde Ordinario, y Juan de Ábrego, Secretario. Testigos Marcos y Bernabé de las Casas y Francisco de Treviño.

This coming monday Im going to visit the genealogist in Vill de Santiago here in Nuevo Leon , he has a copy of Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book . Im gonna check and see if there is any info I can use to connect the dots .

Thanks ,
Welester

> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:10:29 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org; announce@nuestrosranchos.org; general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!> > For those of you about to be dropped from our roster I> would like to offer my help in organizing your family> tree, or research objectives.> > I am available here in person in San Francsicso, or by> email.> I like working with historical matters. > > If you have not submitted your family tree because you> don't feel it is ready, at least let me take a look at> it. > > We can work together to get you past the coming> deadline.> We are stonger as a community with you with us.> > Christmas greetings to all. Have a happy and healthy> holiday.> > Ernie Alderete> 47 th Avenue @ Balboa> San Francisco, Ca. 94121> > Felicidades Navidenas y Guadalupanas a todos.> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Dear Irma:
Thank you for the tip. I will check the Jalostotitlan records next!

You know when reading the wonderful news of information shared, there is no wonder that this group is special. There were some comments earlier as why Nuestros Ranchos was put into existence, when there are other groups in Rootsweb etc. Well, here is the answer. With all of us being serious about our genealogy, sharing knowledge and all looking in the same area. This group is golden. We can lead each other in the right direction when we are stumped and sometimes just sometimes link our families together and fill in missing links! Sooner or later maybe we will all be related!

Welcome again Marty,

Just a quick note about how the group works. There are three lists.
Research, General, and Announce.

research@nuestrosranchos.org is for talking about our target area
(Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes) research. So that one would
be a good one for your message [Notice I changed it over from "general"
where you posted it to the research list].

general@nuestrosranchos.org is for general genealogy talk that is not
necessarily within our target area but I'm not going to go so far as to
say that it is for just a continuous and total discussion outside our
area. I would eventually like discussion outside our area to be taken to
private email but you'll have to use your own judgment as to when that
is appropriate. The recent discussion about the Zaldivar's is a good
example. Welester had a gut feeling that his Zaldivar's were from
Zacatecas and he and Esther seem to have worked toward the goal of
bringing that line back from Nuevo Leon to Zacatecas. Our group is for
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes and the general group allows
for some flexibility but keep it in mind that our group is about
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

annouce@nuestrosranchos.org is for announcements.

I said that only to say that everyone on the list especially those that
have been around for awhile should "try" to post to the appropriate list
depending on the subject of the discussion.

Marty's genealogy file can be found at:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15323

Marty one of the ways that has been beneficial to many in the group for
finding information is your local Family History Center which is part of
the LDS church. You don't have to be a member of the church to use the
FHC and you can find information about the location closest to you at:
www.familysearch.org

You can also find information about what films to order and even some
descriptions of what is on those films. [Note: even if you find
information on the internet you still need to order the films and
confirm for yourself that this indeed your family].

well it is best if you find the location close to you and pay them a
visit and ask lots of questions about how to find and order films for
Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

So you order a film or two and you can only view the film at the FHC and
you will roll the film in search of your family records either baptism,
marriage, death, confirmation, census, etc.

If you need help finding your closest FHC let me know or just ask on the
list or you could just look in the phonebook for your local LDS church
and ask them where the closest one is, but like I said you will find a
complete list of them at www.familysearch.org

don't be shy to ask your questions. . .ask away.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Marty wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I am new here so bear with me if I ask to many questions... I joined the group about 2 weeks ago and put out 4 surnames that I am researching... and I want to thank those that answered me... I am reading the information that you are sending among yourself's and getting a general idea how the group works...
>
> I am researching in and around Fresnillo in Zacatecas, the surnames that I am very interested in right now, are:
> Arroyo----------- (my Grandmother's father)
> Hernandez----- (my Grandmother's mothers maiden name)
>
> What do I need to do or where can I go to find these surnames... or is there anyone in the group that has any surnames of Arroyo or Hernandez... I have the names of their spouses...which may led us to a family link.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marty

I found the following source cited on someone's website titled, "The Geneology of Mexico (http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index1.htm)." You might want to check it out. ;-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Source of the above names: Duaine, Carl Laurence. "With All Arms A Study of a Kindred Group"

* Additional Source: Himmerich Y Valencia, Robert. "The Encomenderos of New Spain 1521-1555"

* Additional Source: Thomas, Hugh. "Who's Who of the Conquistadors"

Check your special collections or Spanish/Mexican history section of your public library.
example "The Conquistadors" by Jean Descola translated by Malcolm Barnes
New York A.M. Kelley 1970 (c. 1952) Also the heraldry sections depending how extensive your library is will help. Then there are your university libraries that some libraries can borrow from. happy hunting. mari

mormonboy74 wrote:

Does anyone know where I can get a book or a biographies on the following conquistadores who served with Hernando Cortez. They recieved Coat of Arms on the battlefield. Conquistador Juan del Camino or Diego del Camino both were relatives. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Maureen, I found the comfirmation records from Jerez Zacatecas good only for finding names, no age's or locations of birth. I've found 2 year olds and 40 year olds confirmed the same day. It appears from the older records the priest or bishop came from Zacatecas City and did everyone who wanted confirmation every few years. In fact some records read they were confirmed in the morning and others in the afternoon.. huge mass comfirmations. I hope your city gives you more information than mine did.. but then again, I'll gladly take whatever I can get!
Linda in Everett

Maureen Bejar wrote:

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865 are contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited at best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least, at what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where ever he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game. Sooner or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

Thank you Alicia,
I may skip ordering the confirmations as I have some many other films on my wish list and it gets expensive after a while. I try to go for the most info for my dollar. Hopefully Julian will show up somewhere or maybe one day a trip to Mexico .... I can hope.

Asi es Smiley, la verdad es que no puedes manejar a más de 60 MPH por que es muy peligroso, la carretera es muy estrecha, hay muchas curvas a veces muy cerradas y vas al borde del precipicio, asi que las personas que vayan a manejar para esa zona y lo vayan a hacer sobre todo de noche tengan mucho cuidado.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:36:47 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio Jalisco

Thanks Smiley,

Now that you sent this I think we have driven this route once before, many many years ago and it was very narrow and very precarious due to the steep cliffs and dropoffs and very, very scary. That was long before I got into genealogy and paid attention to names of towns and their locations relative to our hometown of Nochistlan, Zac.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: smileysway2 smileysway2@yahoo.com

...just thought I would place this link here so one can see the map, to make the reference. Fernando has already done the check and has noted the distance. I just wanted to add that this is a very long & winding way between main "pueblos." I have driven this route & it is a very dangerous road. Cuquio: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=MX&addtoh…