Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hello Again,

I apologize that one of the links I gave in my previous posting 
didn't work.  Hopefully, this one will.

http://www.tarver-genealogy.net/aids/spanish/sp_racial_terms.html

Alice

Hello,

I discovered an interesting site with an extensive list of 
definitions of racial classifications used by the Spanish.  In 
addition to the definitions, there are beautiful paintings of mixed 
race adults and children.  I'm not one to get emotional over 
paintings, but these really moved me, particularly after discovering 
the extent of my diversity.


http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:Vb4w2oDMqa8J:www.tarver-
genealogy.net/aids/spanish/sp_racial_terms.html+coyote+racial+classif
ications+photos&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

For those of you who have discovered mulato or coyote roots, don't 
miss this "Castas" exhibit:

http://www.tarver-genealogy.net/visual/exhibits/castas/ulthm1_1.html

And Joe, that was a clever little response to my introduction.  I'm 
going to propose that the members call you "Dr. Puentes" from now 
on. 

Alice

alice wissing wrote:

Hello Everybody,

My name is Alice Wissing and I'm introducing myself to the group.
Before I say anything else, I want to tell Steve Apodaca, another

newcomer, how fortunate he is to be in his early 20's and
researching his family.

I'll Amen that. I'm 50 and if I had started when I was 20 I could have
talked to my mother, father, grandmother, even some really old folks
that were alive at that time. ooooh, just thinking about all that oral
history that passed before I got interested. If I had one word of advice
it would be "ORAL HISTORY." (well I guess thats two). Remember these old
records we're finding have been sitting there waiting for us to come dig
them up but with every generation that passes the oral history passes
with them and it is unrecoverable. . .forever lost. the stories and
really important stuff about who we are is gone. Steve, Alice, all. .
.go for the oral history.

I wish I had started at such a young age,
as it has been an

I was invited to this group by Joseph Puentes. I think it is a great 
idea to create a group not only focused in genealogy but in a 
specific area.
My name is Steve Apodaca. As you can see in the family tree that I 
recently uploaded, I am in my early 20's. Until last year I was a 
college student, but dropped out because of lack of cash. Now I am 
working and saving money so that I go back to school. During my free 
time, I do my genealogy research. I started my research a couple 
years ago, but because of school and work and other 'duties' I 
haven't researched as much as I wished. I have not found ancestors 
in Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, yet. All of my ancestors come from 
the state of Jalisco. These are the towns and surnames that I am 
researching.

Amacueca: Aguilar
Atenguillo: Curiel, Pena, Diaz, Cazarez
Barranca del Espiritu Santo: Frias
El Crucero: Ramirez, Gamino, Ursua, Ornelas
Guadalajara: Tapia
San Marcos Evangelista: Cervantes
Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Bonal
Sayula

Hello, it is true what you say about this classification upgrade 
because I found that in my own research. My ancestor Jose Domingo 
Apodaca was classified as a mestizo in his marriage certificate from 
1784. His wife was espanola. Of course, his son Antonio Apodaca 
would be mestizo too, right? But when I found the marriage record of 
the son, he was classified as espanol, the same as the mother. Was 
the indian blood lost from one generation to the next? I have read 
that these racial terms had no scientific basis, and they were used 
to describe the appearance of the individual, rather than his ethnic 
mixture. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, alice wissing  
wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> I can't remember where I read this, but in some parts of Mexico 
the term Coyote simply meant a Mestizo, with the person not 
necessarily being part black.  It's probably safe to say that if a 
person is looking though records and seeing the terms coyote and 
mestizo used during the

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sgapodaca 
 

Hello,

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http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=WLSpanis.ASP

[this is a might long link. if it doesn't work you might have to rebuild it in the URL window]

go to "Racial Ternminology"

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or:

go to www.familysearch.org and

go to "Library"

go to "Education"

go to  "Family History Library

For Spanish terms in New Mexico church records go to:
http://www.genealogybranches.com/valencia/wordlist.html

Mestizo - mixture of Spanish & Mexican Indian
Coyote - mixture of Indian & Mestizo (may also denote a mixture of 
Spanish & New Mexican Indian)

So in New Mexico a Coyota(e) could be a person with blood 
mixture of half Spanish and half mestiza.  A mestiza is half Spanish 
and half Indian.  So that would be 3/4 Spanish and 1/4 Indian.   As  
always  it depended on the Priest's judgment.

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In Mexico, 
>From an email to me from John Schmal:
"I want to also tell you that there is a great degree of imprecision 
with priests classifying people according to color, dress, language, 
social status, customs, or according to their own perceptions and 
biases.  Thus, one priests' coyote may be another priest's lobo or 
another priest's mestizo or another priests's mulato libre...in fact, in 
the book I recently co authored with Donna Morales we discussed 
this problem and

Fascinating information.  Now it makes sesne that Jose Luisn

I have found the same with the films from Etzatlan.  The baptism 
records for my family line have the children in one family labelled 
as Indios, Mestizos and coyotes!  The priest made the 
determination.  I suppose if the child was really dark than it was 
labelled as being Indio.   In Etazatlan the people were seldom 
labelled as Espanol in the bapt., death and marriage records.

I would expect the Zacatecas films to be similar.   These were 
mining places and had many Indians and mestizos.  But it was the 
priests who described the subjects in the documents.

Gloria

 Has anyone studied these Informacion Matrimonial Films 
  
don't recall seeing any totally Espanoles being married. So my  
question is that I'm wondering if these Informacion

Joseph,

How do you order these films? And I was wondering if you could tell me if
you see anything on them films about my grandparents marriage. He was Martin
Sandoval and she was Guadalupe Maria Arellano. Guadalupe's mother my
greatgrandmothers name was Corredeo, don;t know if that is a first name or
last name?

They were probably married sometime in the end of the 1800s or very
beginning of 1900's but I am not sure I only know my Dad was born in 1928
and I believe second to the youngest of 16 kids but then I have recently
heard it was only 10 kids and now not sure. Anyways would apreciate if
anyone could tell me if their marriage is in them films. Also to whom do I
order these films from and how much are they?

Thank you,



              ~~glo~~







From: Joseph Puentes 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Zacatecas, Zacatecas Films
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:49:57 -0500

Angel,

I know there is a gap in the

Beyond Origins on the Internet, a site hosted by Jose Antonio 
Esquibel has several articles on the family:  Vol. 5 and Vol. 8 for 
example:

http://pages.prodigy.net/bluemountain1/beyondorigins.htm

Gloria

http://hgrc-nm.org/herencia/herencia.htm#HERENCIA

I found this info on the Jose Armijo and Catarina Duran question:

Volume 6 Issue 2 April 1998:

1. Beyond "Origins of New Mexico Families," Jose Romo de Vera, by
Ernestino Tafoya, (page 1).

   2. Holguin and Montes Vigil, by John M. Garcia, (page 3).
   3. Hidalguia, by Jose Antonio Esquibel, (page 16).

4. Bueno Family Genealogy Revisited, by Jose Antonio Esquibel, (page
19).
5. 1715 Santa Fe Presidio Muster, by Ronaldo Miera and Francisco
Sisneros, (page 26).
6. Identity of Maria Martin, Wife of Salvador Garcia Noriega, by
Margaret Buxton, (page 30).

   7. A Direct Line to Pedro Martin Serrano, by Margaret Buxton, (page 32).

-------------------->8. A Line from Jose Armijo and Catalina Duran,
by Margaret Buxton, (page 36).

9. Juana Rita Baca & Juan Nepomuceno Montoya/Trujillo, by Margaret
Buxton, (page 40).
10. Escondida Cemetery, by Victoria Sanchez (additional information,
(page 46).

  11. Letters

Joseph,

Thanks for the info.  I have already seen these rolls,
but I never found anything concrete.  If something
else comes up for that time period, please keep me in
mind.

Saludos,
Angel

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Yes, my family descends from Joseph de Armijo and Catalina 
Duran.  I have posted my family tree at Ranchos.  Or you can go 
directly to:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gemglo

 At this time no marriage date has been found.  But there are 
documents which refer to them at the following sites:

>From Beyond ONMF, Internet site hosted by José Antonio 
Esquibel, Vol. 5 and Vol. 8:

http://pages.prodigy.net/bluemountain1/beyondorigins.htm

Both have extensive information on the Armijo family from 
Zacatecas.

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Gloria