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I looked in the Family History Catalog for Zacatecas church records, and this is what the film notes for Sagrario state:

Notes:

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

La parroquia Sagrario antes se denominaba Santo Domingo.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and deaths from Sagrario Parish (formerly known as Santo Domingo), Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Includes a book of marriages performed in 1824-1829 in the dependent parish church of San Nicolás de Bernárdez.

This seems to be what you are looking for.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

A quick look in the internet shows that this temple was founded on 1746, if there are some records of this specific area in that time, they are likely mix with the metropolitan church "sagrario", its a matter of manually checking those, which in turn happen to be the only ones going back to the 1600's in Zacatecas city.

yes i think they are all the same person after finding the record below
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15064-17974-0?cc=1804458&wc=…

edit: op, do you have a link to the baptism.

i'm interested in this guy/line also since he's an ancestor of mines

yeah i'm thinking it's quite possible they are the same person. but of course there's the possibility of 2 francisco's who happen to be brothers. for example one of my 4th great grandpas, celedonio, had two sons with the name francisco who made it to adulthood and had children of their own.

on another note: cosme's brother martin is my 4th great grandfather also

I have all 3 Francisco's in my records as separate people but Jose could be Antonio.
My file is on Rootsweb.com. My file is called Mexico and you can go to the index to find what you are looking for. Cosme Tejada is cousin by marriage and his daughter Mariana also married a family member.
Linda

I also came across a record with exactly the same titles, and also just for some specific records, at first glance I though it was the writer style but like this record as soon as I checked the continuous entries I realized it was for some specific people. I do suspect that this is kind of the equivalent of "Don" and "Doña" from the Spanish days in Mexico, probably used soon after the Independence but something that never got its way trough.

Hello Madera,

No, the King did not visit Sobrerete, because no Spanish Monarch ever visited the Americas prior to their independence in the 19th century. In the 1680s, the King of Spain was Charles II (and last of the Hapsburg monarchs of Spain) But it was his prerogative to give and confirm political/judicial appointments. It was also customary before the French Revolution for European rulers to use their name, speak of themselves in the first person plural, and assert that they ruled by the Grace of God.

The document won't open for me, but usually all such documents if written at Court would start something like this:
"We, Charles, by the Grace of God, King of Castile, Aragon, Count of Barcelona, Emperor of the West Indies, etc. do confirm D. ____ in the office of ____."

In Spanish is would be:
"Nos, Carlos, de la Gracia de Dios, Rey de Castilla, Aragón, Conde de Barcelona, Emperador de la Indias Occidentals, etc. confirmamos a D. _______ en el oficio de ______."

Hope that helps!

Sean

I just started doing research on Gertrudis De Santihiago Dias de Leon (K2MP-MPL) this is Id number for www.familysearch.org. She is the daughter of Joseph de Santhiago and Juliana Dias de Leon (abt 1660). They are from Pinos, but there are many in Guanajuato. Gertrudis marries Juan Francisco Morales (padres no conocidos).

I am interested in which records you were able to find the De Santiagos in Villanueva and Tabasco? I have a Catarina De Santiago daughter of Felipe De Santiago and Maria de la Candelaria Albares in Villanueva in 1803. The films that were available online did not show anything for bautismos though. I managed to find this through an indexed marriage record on family search. Any of those names ring a bell to you?

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Welcome aboard.. nice job on your file and thank you for sharing. My family was from Jerez, Zac and lots of people from Colotlan lived there. I did not find any shared family but do appreciate you sharing your research.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia, Wa.

If this is legit, I would be quite interested. But does Ignacio Narro have permission from the author or the publisher to reprint? I understand that if the books is in public domain, he can reprint it, but I don't think this is the case. I would like to read the feedback from Josie Trevino.

Steve in NC

I was looking at informacion matrimonial page and I see that you put down:

106 Juan Madera & Serefina Gonzalez

When I clicked on the link and went to page 106 to look for it. It says "Juan De Medina and Serefina Gonzalez.

It is on the right side:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18737-9594-2?cc=1874591&wc=3…

Yo estuve viendo micrfilm de tierras/escrituras y tambien de testamentos de los anos de fines de 1600's y uno de esos microfilm se dedicaba a "Juchipila" La Hacienda de Palomas:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22536

I am related to the Sanchez de Porras family and I have put alot of research into them. Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, el Viejo's parents are Diego Sanchez de Porras and Elvira Sanchez. They were married in 1626 in Aguascalientes and had, to my knowledge, only one son. Geronimo was born in Aguascalientes in 1627.

I found that death record as well and I believe it to be that of Geronimo Sanchez de Porras's father. It is strange that the record says he is soltero.

I believe Jaime Holcombe discusses Elvira'a parentage in his letters.

Hello Sergio Sales
This is fantastic!!! Your diligence is paying off!! I'm sure you are aware, but one thing I want to point out is that in the marriage of Francisco de la Cueva to Maria Barillas his father is named Francisco Beltran de la Cueva.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-11329-21?cc=1874591&wc…

I too am convinced that the husband of married to Thomasina de Velasco and Catalina Vera y Monrroy are the same person; however we must have the primary documents to support this claim. With your hard work, Katy's whirlwind, and work by others we will achieve success!!!
Congratulations on this find!!
Deedra Corona

Que tal Maria. Me da gusto saber que cada vez hay mas personas buscando su genealogias alrededor de Zacoalco. Sobre la muerte de tu abuelo, lo unico que me viene a la mente es el acta de defuncion de la iglesia y el acta del registro civil. Si es posible, podrias entrevistar a tus familiares de mayor edad o a personas mayores de la Barranca que podrian saber algo mas sobre el asunto. Te podria sorprender, pero como todos los pueblos de alrededor se Zacoalco son pequeños, todo mundo se conocia.

Sobre "las playitas" podria suponer que se refiere a alguna de las lagunas, las mas cercanas en este caso la de Santa Catarina y la de Zacoalco. No mencionas en que año murio tu abuelo. Tengon entendido que el actual cementerio de Zacoalco se inauguro a principios del siglo 20. Personalmente, yo he encontrado la tumba de la primera esposa de mi bisabuelo en el cementerio actual, y ella fallecio en junio de 1919. Tengo entendido que antes estaba otro cementerio en los alrededores de lo que hoy es la plaza de toros de Zacoalco. Se construyeron casas y la plaza de toros encima del cementerio viejo. De hecho, conozco gente que jura que pasan cosas sobrenaturales por esas calles!

He notado que existen muchos Castros en las Barrancas y alrededores. Yo tambien tengo Castros en mi arbol genealogico, aunque no me he enfocado mucho esta rama de mi familia. A traves de este grupo me he reencontrado con varios primos perdidos. Dos de ellos, Gilberto Ramirez y Alessandro Vitela Toscano, al parecer tienen ancestros Castro tambien, te recomendaria que los contactaras para comparar informacion. En mi caso, la mayoria de mis lineas vienen de Santa Catarina y Zacoalco, una que otra de las Barrancas.

Esta es mi linea Castro de las Barrancas:

Jacoba Castro, casada con Santos Frias el 16 de abril de 1856.
Urcino Castro, casado con Micaela Madrigal el 5 de febrero de 1831.
Ramon Castro, casado con Marcelina Manuela Rubio el 25 de febrero de 1805.
Patricio de Castro, casado con Maria Prudencia de Frias el 24 de noviembre de 1776.
Miguel de Castro, casado con Juana de Alsalde.
Mateo de Castro, casado con Sebastiana Polanco

Si alguno de los nombres te suena conocido, dejame saber, me daria mucho gusto encontrar otra nueva prima.

Saludos

Steve

Hola Ruben,

I have also found records in Cuquio, Yahualica and Teocaltiche in Jalisco for Juchipila, Amoxochitl and Apozol prior to 1800. Search there.

For Jalpa specifically I wouldn't be surprised to find them in Nochistlan.

Hope that helps!

I am really interested in finding more Amoxochitl records.

Hi Ruben,

La Villita in Jalpa is my primary area of research so I'm very familiar with the lack of records. That being said, I've been able to find documents from Jalpa related to my family going back to before 1690. I have collected some of the names in my webpage: www.arturogonzalez.com/ourfamilies/persons.html

I have together my family trees from various sources some of which are not available online: 1. 1820 Jalpa Census (order film), 2. marriage dispensations from the Guadalajara Diocesis and Jalpa Church (both online) as well as Jalpa civil records (online), 3. Tierra y Aguas archive (order films), and 4. 1819-1827 Marriage book (privately obtained).

Like I said, these various pieces of information helped identify my relatives, including my 8XGreat grandparents, going back into the 1600s. I also found many, many maps of the land grants given (and fought over) to the families of Jalpa and surrounding areas like Huanusco, Calvillo, La Villita, etc. With these old maps and surveys, I used Google maps to trace the original land grant.

Let me know if you have particular question and hopefully i can help you out.

Best, Arturo G.

I would not rule out Tlaltenango, Zacatecas as a place to look as well. I have an ancestor that lived in Aguascalientes and found her buried in Tlaltenango. It was a crazy find.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Ruben,
Historically, Juchipila and Jalpa were among the early towns that were settled during the colonial period, but unfortunately many of the records were lost or burned during the Revolution. My great aunt says her grandmother used to tell her stories of how they would enter the churches on horseback with torches and set the churches on fire in Jalpa. For about 10 years, I searched for records of my Olmos lineage and in January of 2012, I finally found a marriage record in Jalpa dating back to 1834. This was a big aha moment, knowing that my ancestors did not just appear out of the blue, their records are the ones that had disappeared. Most of my ancestors are from Nochistlan up until the early 1800's. As I trace further back, prior to Nochistlan, they were from Teocaltiche Jalisco and some were from Jalpa and still others from Tabasco or Villa del Refugio Mecatabasco. It's the ones who were from Jalpa that were elusive because of the lack of physical records.

Keep searching and in a roundabout way, you will find your family, that's how I was able to find mine.
Alicia, San Jose, Ca