Hello everyone:
This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8 years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other enthusiasts.
I found a second earlier marriage certificate for my 5X Candido de Aguallo marrying a Anna Gertudis Ballejo on 18 Dec.1753. On this certificate, it states hijo legitimo de Diego Aguallo (Defunto)and Francisca Becerra. I earlier found on Familysearch him marrying Maria Gomez de Mendoza (abt. 1795). It stated both sets of parents. Francisco Gomez de Mendoza (Maria Martin del Campo) and Diego de Aguayo (Francisca Veserra). Anna Gertudis Ballejo parents were Lucas Ballejo and Thomasa Herrera. So, this kind of verfies that the parents for Candido were correct. Does any of this ring a bell??? I know there was at least two Diego de Aguayo in Nochistlan, Zac. Sounds like Candido was about 60 years old when he married Maria Gomez De Mendoza. Her parents were very established and well to do. Any help really appreciated.
Jaime Gonzalez
The book "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: Expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII" by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton, which has been out of print for some time, can be downloaded from Family Search.
From the Family Search splash page, click on "Search," then "Books." Type "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" in the search field, and then click search.
Then, from the list of search results click on the title "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: Expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII" and the book should download.
The book will download as a searchable pdf; however, the OCR, while reasonably good, is not perfect, thus searching on a name will not necessarily find every instance. The book does have an index, so that is not a significant inconvenience. You can also copy the text that was recognized by the OCR process and paste it into other documents: this is also subject to the OCR recognition (unrecognized text remains as an image).
George Fulton
Pleasanton
Hola primos,
Thanks to Armando, we now have the missing piece linking my maternal grandfather, Jose Refugio Gonzalez Hermosillo, to the genearca of the Gonzalez de Hermosillo de los Altos, Juan Gonzalez and his wife, Maria Muñoz. We descend from their son, Diego Yldephonzo Ramirez de Pedrozo, and through the next three generations of Diego Yldephonzo Gonzalez de Hermosillo's, following their path from Jalostotitlan, through various ranchos in Teocaltiche, Asientos, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos and finally, Pinos. From there, we descend from the first of three Vicente Gonzalez de Hermosillo's, who married Juana Dorothea Diaz de Leon, in Jan 1764. Again, thanks to Armando for locating their Informacion Matrimonial, which hadn't been indexed.
In close, one of my five Hermosillo uncles will be participating in the Y-DNA39 project, to verify my work, and hopefully to provide a sample.
Mil Gracias,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
JRefugioGHermosillo
Other surnames included are Ramirez-Torres, Muñoz de Nava, Alderete, Cabrera-Plasencia Maldonado, Davila, Gil de Esparza and Sanchez de le Mejorada:
Juan Gonzalez & Maria Muñoz m. Guadalcanal, Sevilla antes de Extremadura, España.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19948#comment-21858
Diego Ildefonso Ramirez del Pedrozo & Paula Ramirez Torres
Proof of genealogy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-37884-27?cc=1874591&wc…
Diego Ildefonso Gonzalez & Luisa Muñoz de Nava m. 23 Feb 1645
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-2338-11?cc=1874591&wc=…
Proof of genealogy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-37884-27?cc=1874591&wc…
Diego Ildefonso Gonzalez & Juana de Alderete m. 19 Feb 1669 Teocaltiche
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-3066-6?cc=1874591&wc=1…
Proof of genealogy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-37884-27?cc=1874591&wc…
Diego Ildefonso Gonzalez & Lorenza Manuela Cabrera m. 13 May 1716 Asientos
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11877-64280-42?cc=1502404&…
Información Matrimonial https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11132-148155-54?cc=1502404…
Vicente Gonzalez & Juana Dorothea Díaz de Leon married about Jan 1764
Información Matrimonial https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15243-320-34?cc=1804458&wc=M…
Rafael Gonzalez & Maria Dolores de Avila m 25 Nov 1798, Pinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15272-51812-83?cc=1804458&wc…
Juan Gonzalez & Asuncion Gil de Esparza, b. 02 Apr 1805, Aguascalientes; m3 Asuncion Gil Esparza, c. 1829, probably in Pinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11631-273053-80?cc=1502404…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15257-11764-9?cc=1804458&wc=…
Antonio Gonzalez & Susana Sanchez, m. 20 Jun 1869, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15242-652-90?cc=1804458&wc=M…
Jose Refugio Gonzalez Hermosillo & Anita Olivas de Hermosillo, m. 1932, Hanford, California.
Hello everyone,
I am having the hardest time trying to fit Francisca into the Ruis De Esparsa family of Aguascalientes. I have their marriage record, but it does not list their parents. She can't be the same Francisca born in September of 1655 because that Francisca was having children at the same time as my Francisca was. I've been stuck on this fr many years and hope someone can help me knock down this brick wall.
Thank you so much,
Norberto M. Morales III
hello Felix,
I worked on the family tree of a first cousin of yours named Graciela. Her mother is a daughter of Nicolas De la Torre and Maria de la Luz Martin.
I did gracielas paternal line and she is my 4th cousin repeatedly through the romo, Gutierrez, and Jimenez lines.
She and you are my 6th cousins through her maternal maternal great grandmother Maria del Refugio Perez Gutierrez who was married to Celso Martin. 6th cousins 6 times total 5 times through the Perez Franco lines and one time a 6th cousin through the Gutierrez line.
Of Maria del Refugio Perez's mother line I have lines going back 5 more generations, of her father lines it goes much further back
I have no information on Celso Martin or his ancestors except that he is married to Maria del Refugio Perez
I have no information on Sixto De la torre or his wife Rosalia Martin/martinez.
I was hoping you could help me with Nicolas s line and Celso Martin. as to Maria del Refugio Perez's ancestors I can provide you with my work.
thanks R.A Ricci
Hola a todos,
He estado recabando más documentos para respaldar mi información y no he podido encontrar el acta de bautismo de algunos de mis antepasados, pero conozco la identidad de sus padres porque cuando se casaron declararon quienes eran o bien los mencionan como los abuelos de sus hijos en sus actas de bautismo respectivas.
Mi duda aquí es que tan frecuente les sucede a ustedes esto? el hecho de no encontrar el acta de bautismo de ellos me daría la sospecha de pensar de que quiénes ellos dicen ser sus padres en realidad no lo eran? La mayoría de los casos tengo a los padres legalmente casados bautizando hijos legítimos pero no aparece el nombre de quien yo desciendo, sin embargo en ocasiones hay espacios de años donde cabría el nacimiento de mi antepasado. En casos más raros, tengo las fechas de nacimientos de todos los hermanos de mi antepasado y sus nacimientos son tan seguidos que no cabría la posibilidad que naciera entre ellos, por lo que la sospecha es aún mayor. Me gustaría saber que les ha sucedido en su experiencia personal para poder estar más confiado de que estoy siguiendo una línea genealógica segura.
Mi otra pregunta es si alguien sabe algo sobre la Familia Carlos de Godoy. Por lo que he visto tuvieron su cuna en Zacatecas y están bien documentadas las primeras generaciones, sin embargo no logro conectar a mi antepasada María Antonia Carlos de Godoy que residía en Cocula junto a su esposo Nicolás López, quién murió en dicho lugar en 1737. Me imagino que María Antonia debió nacer por 1700 en otro lugar porque era la única de ese apellido en Cocula, lamentablemente sólo tengo el acta de defunción de su esposo y el acta de matrimonio de su hijo, José López Carlos de Godoy que casó en 1759 con Micaela Gertrudis de Estrada y Banda. Al no tener un acta de matrimonio de bautismo de esta pareja que me ayude, mi única sospecha es que María Antonia podría ser hermana de María Magdalena Carlos de Godoy que casó con Andrés de Robles Rebolledo en 1722 en Guadalajara. En esa acta dice ser hija de Antonio Carlos de Godoy y de Ana de Aro, originaria de la Ciudad de Zacatecas, criada desde niña en Ameca y residente en la Ciudad Guadalajara. Espero alguien pueda brindarme más pistas en el asunto.
Gracias de antemano,
Enrique Agraz
The parentage of the Gabadi sisters continues to be a subject of much discussion. I do not have any answers, but I do have much of the documentation that is discussed on the Research List.
ITEM (1) of Armando's post: I have no knowledge of this document.
ITEM (2) of Armando's post: This document, alleged to be from 1574, can be found at PARES . If you want to find it the long way, go to PARES . Select "Busqueda Avanzada" on the button bar. Go down to FILTRO POR ARCHIVO and select "Archivo General de Indias" from the pull-down menu. A second pull-down menu will appear beneath the first. Select "Mapas y Planos" from the second pull-down menu. Now go to the section just below, FILTRO POR SIGNATURA, and enter "MP-ESCUDOS,211" in the text field. If that doesn't work, click on the Seleccionar button. Once you get to the next page, go to the bottom of the list and click on the tiny red down-arrow to scroll the list. Click the "+" button next to MP-ESCUDOS. A list of document numbers will appear below MP-ESCUDOS. Use the red arrow again to scroll down until you see 211 and click on
211. That will take you back to the search page. Click on the Buscar button at the bottom of the page. That will bring up a page with the document listed. You can get document information by clicking on the title. You can view the document by clicking on the little camera icon in the DIG. column. MP-ESCUDOS,212 is another genealogy, principally for Isabel Moctezuma. MP-ESCUDO,197 is a general chart dated 1817 depicting Moctezuma's descendants. Mariana is listed, but none of her descendants are listed. MP-ESCUDO,211 would be a natural continuation of this chart.
ITEM (3) of Armando's post: Mariana Moctezuma, child of Moctezuma II and Acatlan, was married to Cristobal Valderrama. Mariana and Cristobal had one child, Leonor. Leonor married Diego Arias Sotelo. Diego was exiled to what is now Algeria for his role in the Avila-Cortes Conspiracy (his brother was executed). According the "Moctezuma's Children" by Donald E. Chipman (2005), Leonor Valderrama and Diego Arias Sotelo had 3 children: Fernando (the only one to have children), Ana (a nun), and Cristobal. If Petronila Moctezuma is a descendant of Moctezuma II and Acatlan, Her parents would have to be Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma and Diego Arias Sotelo. According to Chipman, the children of Leonor were constantly in court trying to win control of their grandmother's encomiendo. I suppose that there are reasons that Petronila might not have been mentioned in these proceedings (Leonor willed her estate to her 3 children equally), but it seems odd. The children also
fought among themselves for control of the encomiendo. Ana, a nun, gave control of her third to Fernando. Cristobal's widow fought for his third, plus half of Ana's. Having gotten full control of the encomiendo, Fernando's children sold it, so that it passed out of the family completely.
ITEM (4) of Armando's post: The dispensation referred to is widely available in the ether and can be found at the FamilySearch.org site (Film Number 168605 - FamilySearch.org: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1995, Guadalajara, Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1700-1705, Image 316 of 625). One other document, the 1677 will of Juan Siordia, daughter of Maria Gabadi and Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus, gives Maria's name as Maria Gabai Moctezuma. The will is available from the Digital Archives of Aguascalientes . Click the Login button. Enter sigue.publica as the User Name and publica as the Password. Click the Login button. In the index that comes up, right-click (two-finger-click on Mac) on the entry SSG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO - ACERVOS COLONIALES SIGLOS XVII A XIX to get a pop-up menu. Select New Query from the menu. In the page that comes up next, enter JUANA DE SIORDIA in the text field for
CONTRATANTES. Click the Submit button and you will be taken to the first page of the will.
To me, the question of Petronila's ancestry is still up in the air. I'm with the camp that says that unless I have hard documentation on the subject, I remain skeptical.
Scott Stockwell
Hello,
I have been unable to acquire Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales." Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Friasso I am submitting this request to the community to ask if anyone has the book to get in touch with me because I am trying to get information in capitulo on descendants of tejada delgadillo, in Capítulo 51 Descendencia de Esteban de Tejeda y Luisa Delgadillo o Bellocillo. Any knowledge on this couple would be appreciated such as ancestors, etc.
Thanks,
Miri12
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-23732-13?cc=1874591&wc…
i found this doucment, and i wonder if he's a grandson of hernan gonzales and maria cid. i'm having a hard time reading this, can anyone give me more details about what this doucment is about.
Comparto la la siguiente investigación que realicé. Si alguien
tiene información al respecto agradezco la comparta conmigo.
Gracias de antemano
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*Antonio Julian Aro Avila*
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*Primera generación*
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1.* Antonio Julian Aro Avila,* hijo de Thomas de Aro y Maria de
Avila tuvo su bautismo infantil el 24 Marzo 1765 en Tlaltenango de Sánchez
Román, Zacatecas, México.
Antonio se casó con *Rita Margarita Serrano Castillo*, hija de Alejandro
Castañeda y Maria Candelaria Castillo, Rita tuvo su bautismo infantil el
22 Mayo 1769 en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas, México.
Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:
+ 2 F i.* Maria Lucia de Haro Castañeda* nació en 1798.
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*Segunda generación*
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2.* Maria Lucia de Haro Castañeda* (Antonio Julian) nació en 1798 en
Sementera, Jalisco, Mexico y tuvo su bautismo infantil el 19 Noviembre 1798
en Nuestra Señora del Rosario, Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
Maria se casó1 con *Jose Maria Serrano Hermosillo*, hijo de Pedro Serrano
Gonzalez y Paula Rosaila Hermosillo Garcia, (nieto por linea paterna de
Antonio Serrano y Maria Gonzalez y por linea materna de Jose Maria Alejo
Garcia y Maria Concepcion García) el 13 Abril 1825 en Atolinga, Zacatecas,
México. Jose nació el 14 Septiembre 1800 y tuvo su bautismo infantil el 25
Septiembre 1800 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:
3 F i.* Maria Dominga Serrano de Haro* nació2 el 12
Mayo 1826 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil3 el 14
Mayo 1826 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
4 M ii.* Jose Matias Serrano de Haro* nació4 el 24
Febrero 1829 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil5 el
27 Febrero 1829 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
5 M iii.* Pedro Jose Serrano de Haro* nació6 el 24
Octubre 1830 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil7 el
28 Octubre 1830 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
6 F iv.* Maria Cayetana Serrano de Haro* nació8 el 6
Agosto 1834 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil9 el
11 Agosto 1834 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
7 M v.* Jose Doroteo Serrano de Haro* nació10 el 2
Abril 1836 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil11 el
4 Abril 1836 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
8 M vi.* Juan Serrano de Haro* nació12 el 5 Mayo 1840
en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil13 el 12 Mayo
1840 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
9 F vii.* Luisa Serrano de Haro* nació14 el 21 Junio
1842 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil15 el 22
Junio 1842 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
10 M viii.* Hijinio Serrano de Haro* nació16 el 10 Enero
1846 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México y tuvo su bautismo infantil17 el 13
Enero 1846 en Atolinga, Zacatecas, México.
*Apéndice A - Fuentes*
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1. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Matrimonios, Foja 81, 13 Abr 1825.
2. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1838, 14 May 1826.
3. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1838, 14 May 1826.
4. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1838, 27 Feb 1829.
5. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1838, 27 Feb 1829.
6. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1838, 28 Oct 1830.
7. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1838, 28 Oct 1830.
8. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1828, 11 Ago 1834.
9. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1828, 11 Ago 1834.
10. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1828, 4 Abr 1836.
11. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1821 - 1828, 4 Abr 1836.
12. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1838 - 1859, 12 May 1840.
13. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1838 - 1859, 12 May 1840.
14. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1838 - 1859, 22 Jun 1842.
15. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1838 - 1859, 22 Jun 1842.
16. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1838 - 1859, 13 Ene 1846.
17. Notara Parroquial, Parroquia de San Cayetano, Atolinga, Zacatecas,
Libro de Bautismos 1838 - 1859, 13 Ene 1846.
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D.I.V.L.
Busco ancetros originarios de LOS CERRITOS ATOLINGA ZACATECAS. DE apehidos Arteaga, Perez, Castaneda, Saldana.
Has something happened with the mailing list? I have not received one in several days, but new postings are being made on the website.
George Fulton
Pleasanton
Hello Everyone:
I am new to the forum and am eager to research my ancestry in the Ocotlan and La Barca areas. Could you please tell me how I could research land ownership in these areas during the 18th and 19th centuries ?
Thank you,
slm
There were many Ruy Diaz de Mendozas.
most genealogist think that they have kept track of the fathers and sons and have not confused them.
But confused we were for a long time because Catalina de la Cadena was married to one of them (Ruy Diaz de Mendoza Cervellon, Virrey de Calabria). This Ruy Diaz de Mendoza died on the way to the new world with his wife, Catalina.
The other Ruy diaz de Mendoza was still alive and genealogist would confuse him with Catalina's husband and called her a bigamist or left open the door as to whether or not we were identifying the correct Ruy Diaz de Mendoza.
this second Ruy Diaz de Mendoza was married to Catalina Arellano y Rio.
there were also a bunch of female cousins that contributed to the confusion
There were two Maria Mendozas a Magdalena Mendoza, a Marina Mendoza and Juana Ramirez de Arellano that were all related
Juana Ramirez de Arellano was Hernendo Cortez's second wife, Magdalena mendoza married to Vicente Zaldivar de onate, One Maria de Mendoza was married to Ircio, the other Maria de Mendoza was married to Luis Marin were all cousins with the nearest relationship being through their Arellano lines and not the Mendoza lines. Mariana Mendoza was the daughter of Luis Marin and the second Maria Mendoza
what added even more to the confusion was that Mariana Mendoza was married to Juan Zaldivar. their daughter, Mariana Mendoza Zaldivar (last names inverted at times) was married in her 2nd marriage to baltazar Temino de Banuelos(1)
this family also created a lot of confusion with numerous Diego's and Baltazar Temino de Banuelos
Juan and Vicente Zaldivar had another brother named Diego Diaz De Zaldivar
Mariana's father in law was Diego Temino de Banuelos (1)
Mariana Mendoza Zaldivar and Baltazar had a son they named Diego Temino de Banuelos(2)
Diego (2) had many children, naming one of them Diego de Temino de Banuelos(3) and another Baltazar Temino de Banuelos (2)
All of these diego and baltazar temino de banuelos explain why I would get confused trying to connect the de la torre family to the right temino de banuelos with some documents listing One as a grandfather while others stating father
These last Diego and Baltazar had a sister by the name of Maria de Banuelos married to Francisco Figueroa de Carbajal who had a daughter named Angela de Figueroa y Banuelos
I hope this post helps someone in their research.
I am stuck on the parents of Giuomar "Mayor" de Cervellon, the wife of Ruy diaz de Mendoza Mendoza Virrey de Calabria, and hope that someone else has information on them.
R A Ricci
He estado investigando durante aproximadamente 2 años y he chocado contra una pared. Mi bisabuelo 6x era Blas Esteban Franco que se casó con Margarita Liberata de Aiola Ramires en el 08 de octubre 1736 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco. A continuación se muestra el enlace a su acta de matrimonio. El registro se encuentra en la parte superior izquierda de la página.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-65953-5?cc=1874591&wc=…
En el acta de matrimonio se afirma que Pedro Franco y Micaela Baeza eran los padres de Blas Esteban. No he podido encontrar mas información sobre ellos asi es que aqui termina mi busqueda. Pude obtener el libro Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia por don Mariano González-Leal. No pude encontrar ninguna mención de mi línea en el capítulo sobre la familia Franco. Sé que uno de los patriarcas fue Pedro Franco de Paredes y que tuvo un hijo ilegítimo que llamó Pedro pero no se menciona mas de el. Podría este Pedro ser mi 7x bisabuelo o podría ser un enlace a mi familia?
Si alguien ha investigado esta familia y me puede dar alguna información, por favor hágamelo saber. Estoy muy agradecida por este foro y por los muchos miembros que ayudan a los investigadores principiantes como yo. Una vez más gracias.
Anita
I have been researching for about 2 years and have hit a brick wall. My 6x great grandfather was Blas Esteban Franco who married Margarita Liberata de Aiola Ramires on 08 Oct. 1736 in Tepatitlan, Jalisco. Below is the link to their marriage record. The record is found in the upper left hand side of the page.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-65953-5?cc=1874591&wc=…
In the marriage record it states that Pedro Franco and Micaela Baeza were Blas Esteban's parents. I haven't been able to find any information on the parents so that is were my road ends. I was able to get a hold of the book Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia by Don Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. I wasn't able to find any mention of my family line in the chapter about the Franco family. I know that one of the patriarchs was Pedro Franco de Paredes and that he had an illegitimate son who he named Pedro. Could this Pedro be my 7x great-grandfather or could he be a link to my family?
If anybody has researched this family and can give me any information, please let me know. I am so thankful for this forum and for the many members who help the novice researchers like myself. Again thank you.
Anita Rodriguez
Very important concepts to know when searching catholic parish records,from the Facebook page Evidence Explained:
Consanguinity and Affinity:
We see the words often in religious records of the past and occasionally in civil ones. The concept of consanguinity--a blood relationship--is simple enough; but modern thinking often leads us astray where affinity is concerned. In civil records especially, we see references to "my brother" and other stated kinships that are hard to support by documentary evidence.
A deeper look at the historical meaning of the term can help our analyses. We borrow here from the online CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01178a.htm).
"Affinity (in Canon Law)
"A relationship arising from the carnal intercourse of a man and a woman, sufficient for the generation of children, whereby the man becomes related to the woman's blood-relatives and the woman to the man's. I... Today affinity does not beget affinity. Therefore the relatives of the man do not become relatives of the woman's relatives, neither do those of the woman become relatives of the man's relatives. ...
"The motive for the impediment of affinity is akin to, though not as strong as, that of consanguinity; there arises ... a nearness and natural intimacy with the blood-relatives of the other side. The degrees of affinity are determined by the same rule as the degree of blood-relationship."
The essay offers considerably more insight. It's well worth reading.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01178a.htm
I've come across a notation under the Padres title that I don't know what it means. It looks like w enclosed in a circle. Does anyone know what this means? Thanks
Juanita Henniger
Dear Nuestros Rancheros members,
I am pleased to become a member of this research group, and I appreciate in advance any assistance you can offer. A special thanks to Joseph for hosting.
I am finally getting around to researching my great-grandmother’s parents (my nana’s mother)—YSIDRO CRUZ (son of Abraham Cruz and Romualda Montejano) from the four corners--San Luis Potosi, Guanajuato, Jalisco and Zacateas--and REGINA LOPEZ who I know absolutely nothing about. Ysidro Cruz and Regina Cruz (not his first spouse) married sometime after 1884 most likely in Mexico. The family moved to El Paso, Texas by about 1888.
I am determined to find out more about Regina Lopez and to dig deeper into the ancestry of Ysidro Cruz.
Also, I live in Thousand Oaks, California, but I am originally from Santa Barbara. I have access to the Santa Barbara Mission Archive Library--I visit about once a month if anyone needs a quick look-up.
Thank you,
Jonathan Cordero
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/corderoz
I want to wish everyone who has taken the time to post and share records and files a very wonderful New Year filled with relatives and ancestors who have hidden in the past years. Sharing is the key to correcting errors and finding what seemed like impossible dead ends.
con abrazo's
Linda Castanon-Long in Boulder City, Nv.
Richard,
The ascendency of Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo has been reviewed before in Nuestros Ranchos. Go to forum topic: Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos ) . In a nutshell, there was debate whether Diego Alonso Gonzales de Hermosillo married to Juana de Alderete (was the same individual that married earlier to Luisa Munos de Nava, or his son. Because in Diego and Juana's wedding there is no mention of him being widower, some of us concluded that they were father and son, otherwise Diego would have been in his 60's when he remarried, not impossible, but less likely.
Again, I encourage you to visit that forum topic.
Jaime
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From: "Richard Ricci"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:42:02 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another Son of Joseph Macias Valades andCatalina de la Vega
Can you explain the ascendency of diego alonso gonzalez de hermosillo. I am trying to connect this line to my other info. Do you have the parents of Joseph macias valadez and catalina de la vega?
Una rama de mis ancestros Santoyo-Macias que vivian en la region de Ojuelos me lleva por la parte materna a Pedro Nolasco Macias que se caso con: Maria de los Reyes Aranda, el 6 de Julio de 1710, en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. En la copia del acta de matrimonio aparencen listados los padres de Pedro: Sebastian Masias Valades y Juana de Hermosillo, que debieron haber nacido alrededor de 1690, y a partir de esos datos encuentro que los abuelos paternos fueron Juan Macias Valades y Juana Dominguez, y los abuelos maternos: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Juana Alderete.
Para Maria de los Reyes Aranda, solo se que sus padres fueron Antonio Aranda y Antonia Martin que debieron haber nacido alredor de 1690-1700. No he podido encontrar informacion anterior. Agradeceria mucho si alguien tiene informacion al respecto.
Gracias
Jaime
Hola a todos.
Existe una ambiguedad acerca de quien fue la madre de Jose Tello de Orozco,
esposo de Maria de Velasco, algunos genealogistas dicen que fue Francisca
Camarena y otros dicen que fue Jesefa de Lievana.
He encontrado una pista que pudiera ayudar, un nieto de Jose Tello de
Orozco llamado Jose Ygnacio Tello de Orozco se caso el 25 de Febrero de
1748 con Maria Dolores Lomelin y tubo que pedir dispensa ,atrimonial ya que
eran primos en cuarto grado por dos ramas.
No he encontrado la dispensa matrimonial, sin embargo busque los abuelos de
Dolores de Lomelin encontrando una rama en comun, los Tatarabuelos Ruiz de
Velasco, y la segunda rama podria ser la de Lievana ya que otra tatarabuela
de Dolores Lomelin se llamaba Nicolasa de Lievana. sin embargo el encontrar
la dispensa matrimonial seria la evidencia contundente.
Por el momento no he encontrado ningun ascendente de Dolores Lomelin con el
apellido Camarena.
Alguien tendra dicha Dispensa???
De antemano gracias.
Atte:
Mario Gonzalez Gomez
Feliz Navidad to all my online family and friends!
Pat and Tino Corbera
There's a lot of discussion on the merits of various DNA tests here, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort through and make sense of it all. So, I'm appealing for a simple answer - if that's possible.
Irrespective of cost, which test is, in everyone's opinion, the most thorough/definitive/comprehensive test available for a woman? My abuelita is 95 and I want to grab this while I can.
Thanks all!
Annette