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Hola grupo, ¡qué tal! Precisamente este tema lo tocamos Tony Campos y yo hace diez años en el “Genealogical Journal V" (2003, “Basic Foundations of Significant Families of Mexico: Tello de Orozco”, pgs. 207-212)” donde expusimos que Joseph Tello de Orozco II, “El Mozo”, hijo del Capitán don Joseph Tello de Orozco I, “El Viejo”, estuvo casado dos veces; en primeras nupcias con Josepha de Liébana y en segundas nupcias con Francisca de Camarena y Mendoza. El Señor Joseph Tello de Orozco parece haber nacido cerca de 1630 probablemente en Guadalajara. Portaba el título de Capitán, como su padre, y ejerció el oficio de Teniente de Alcalde del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan, jurisdicción de Xalostotitlán, desde 1661, hasta su muerte.

Joseph Tello de Orozco y su primera esposa Josepha de Liébana se casaron hacia 1654, cuando Joseph tenía unos 24 años y Josepha unos 16 años. Tony Campos y yo concluimos que el lugar más probable de su boda fue Tangancícuaro, Michoacán, o Ayo el Chico.

Alejandra Varela
Hola Mario, disculpa estas perosona a las que te refieres de que parte son????
Yo estoy conectada a la linea Tello Y orosco. Mi tatarabuelo 4 veces fue Juan Manuel Tello y Orosco nacido el 13 de Mayo de 1722 en Rancho de San Francisco, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco Mexico. El se caso con Guadalupe Valencia quien nacio aprox. en 1720. Tuvieron 9 hijos que fueron:
*Jose Manuel Orosco nacido el 22 de Enero de 1742 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, quien se caso con Ana Maria Ramirez nacida aprox en 1744. (Esta es mi linea directa)
*Maria Josepha Orosco nacida el 19 de enero de 1744 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco.
*Salvador Orosco nacio el 6 de enero de 1745 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco.
*maria de Jesus Orosco nacidea el 22 de dic de 1746 en San Agustin,Ayo el Chico Jalisco.
*Rafael de Jesus Orosco nacido aprox en 1751.
*Josepha Joachina Orosco.
*Juan Salvador Orosco
*ytengo dos mas Maria Josepha pero tengo que verificar si no son la misma persona. Ojala esto se mde ayuda y tengamos conexion.

Merry Christmas!!

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From: "Pat Corbera"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Merry Christmas
Date: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:03 AM

Feliz Navidad to all my online family and friends!
Pat and Tino Corbera

Hello Annette,

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Hi,
In reply to your post, I have an extensive "Mora" line from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. I have only some of my files with me but I will try to post them so that we can compare our relatives. Sherri Mora

This one is close to Ocotlan:
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/loma-larga-9/

and there is interesting info about a Salcedo family here:
http://www.decharros.com/noticia/adt/09/adt_jun2.htm (look down the page
for it).

joseph

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Lamobucs@hotmail.com wrote:
> I was wondering if anybody has any information about the history of
> this pueblo in Jalisco. The research that I have done all points to
> Ocotlan as being the church that my ancestors were baptized and
> married in. My specific names that are related to me are Mora, Cabeza
> de Baca, Villaroel

I have an ancestor from Ocotlan with name of Villaroel.  However, I am out of
town at the moment and my records are at home.  I can get back to you by mid
January 2010.  Will you give me some of your names to work with in the meantime?

-Esther Lopez Jordan

On December 23, 2009 at 6:44 AM Lamobucs@hotmail.com wrote:

> I was wondering if anybody has any information about the history of this
> pueblo in Jalisco. The research that I have done all points to Ocotlan as
> being the church that my ancestors were baptized and married in. My specific
> names that are related to me are Mora, Cabeza de Baca, Villaroel,Godines, and
> Villanueva. If anybody has ancestors form this pueblo can you please reply.

David,
Here are my two cents, I hope this helps in your research. I know in the beginning it´s rough, it was for me. It takes lots of patience and determination, but in essence, genealogy is a beautiful art where we can link the past and present together.
Anastasio de Acosta and Ma. Claudia Valencia were married on 25 July 1833 in Santa María de los Lagos. You can find it on this link: From it we identify Anastasio de Acosta´s parents as Tiburcio Acosta and Zerafina Gómez. Claudia´s parents are mentioned as Luis Valencia and Asunción Gómez, who were both deceased. The godparents might be very well related as they are mentioned as Petronila and Margarita Acosta. I could not find any additonal information on these couples.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-68114-56?cc=1874591&wc…
Julián Silva and Juana de Ledesma were married in the same parish on 25 February 1805.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y CaminoBrasília - D.F., Brasil

Sir,
First, I would like to thank you for your assistance. Briefly, I found the name of my Great-Grandfather, Senon Cedillo Mendoza, on my grandfather Ruperto's WW1 draft document. My grandfather has his dad as being born in Lagos De Moreno, Coahuila, Mexico. I could not find this place in Mexico. A relative of mine informed me that his father had kept in contact with the Mendoza relatives from Paso de Cuarenta but his father has since passed away and I have no knowledge of any other communication with family from Mexico. I have searched many genealogy records and just cannot find Senon Cedillo Mendoza anywhere other than the records and locations indicated by my grandfather. I took the ancestry dna test and I found that the majority of dna relatives with the Mendoza name are from around the general area of Jalisco such as San Luis Potosi and AguasCalientes. I will continue my search and again appreciate your help. If I can find the connection I would like to visit this area of my

here's a link to marriage dispensation for juan jose hernandez and valeria tovar, and they are both related to jua jose fernandez.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-2611-6?cc=1874591&wc=M…

.

Por supuesto que no aburres, Salvador.

Gracias.

Luis Bojorquez

>
> Espero no aburrir con el tema
>
>
> --
> Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
> SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
> http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja )
> http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
> http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
> http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
> http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
> http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/

Muchas veces he visto discusiones acerca de éste Diego de Velazco y es por ello que yo tampoco se que creer. Por lo cual, no he seguido esa linea ya que muchos dicen que si descienden de las casas reales de España y otros dicen que no es verdad.

Me pasa lo mismo con otras dos familias, en las que hay dudas acerca de su ascendencia. Y son la de los Fernández de Híjar y también la ascendencia de Petronila de Moctezuma.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Sanchez-Castellanos
Check how the childrens of the Miramontes´ use the last name (Miramontes de Haro)both lastnames compused and was trasmitted 2 or 3 generations, and how some of the family use Viramontes instead of Miramontes.

As best as I have been able to piece this together, this is a brother of Maria de Saucedo and son of Juan de Miramonte who was the first Miramontes immigrant from Spain in the late 1500s, who came as an assistant to the bishop of Michoacán.

There is reference to the land that was put into this capellania in some early reports to the Viceroy of Mexico that are documented in Bernardo Carlos Casas' Ciudad Amurallada book. There is later a limpieza de sangre document for Nicolas de Haro, Pedro's nephew, when he took benefit of the capellanía.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/gedcom/getperson.php?personID=I368&tree=…

Hi Gary

His testament might be here:
http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/seggob/acervodigital/notarial.a…

but I have never gotten the links to the actual documents to work...

If you try the links and they work for you, let me know. Maybe I am doing something wrong or its my computer. But there are lots of documents I'd like to read which are listed at this site.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Hi Gary and Edgar

I have not found a record of anyone in Aguascalientes with the surname combination Sotelo Montesuma. Earlier this year I was looking to find a clear connection between Petronila de Moctezuma and the Sotelos of Aguascalientes. I read in the Codex Chimalpahin (a tranlation - Codex Chimalpahin: Society and Politics in Mexico Tenochtitlan, Vol 1. p. 109 - 111) that Hernando Sotelo Montezuma, the son of Diego Arias Sotelo and Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma, had 10 children, of which five were listed in the Codex with their name:Diego,Leonor, Juan, Hernando, and Ana. The man who wrote the codex in 1619 said they were all Spanish because their mother was Spanish, and that the five unnamed children were living with their father in Michoacan. His wife was named Dona Maria Cervantes (from Andariegos y Pobladores - Nueva Espana and Nueva Galicia, by Jose Miguel Romero de Solis, entry for Fernando Sotelo Montezuma)

Maybe Francisco Sotelo was one of the unnmamed 5 children living

That's because Xpto are the Greek letters for the shortened version of
Χριστός which means Cristo. So adding Xpto + bal = Cristobal.

Armando

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Raul Padilla wrote:

> My two cents, Xbtobal in my family turned out to be Cristobal.
>
>
>

Welcome, David, I don't know your surnames but I too come from Jamay,
Jalisco and all other surrounding areas you mentioned. I would like to
know some of the surnames you are searching for. Thank you.

Esther Jordan (Lopez by birth)

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM, David Vargas wrote:

> Good evening!
>
> This is my first, introductory e-mail to this group, so I thought it good
> to start with my most recent connection the pueblos of Jalisco. My
> grandfather, Primitivo Vargas, was born in San Nicolas, Jalisco, on 9 June
> 1905. He was the fifth of six children born to Jose Genaro Vargas and
> Maria Delgadillo. My grandfather migrated to the USA, arriving in El Paso,
> Texas on 15 July 1916 at the age of 11. He traveled with his mother,
> Maria, his brother, Rodrigo, and 2 sisters, Modesta and Francisca. They
> also had an older brother, Jesus, that appears to have stayed in Mexico at
> that time. One additional sibling, Jose Gabino Vargas, was born 16 Oct
> 1895, but died

Great work, primo! See you at the family reunion!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

I am not sure about the area which this site covers, but I do know the Spanish did keep records for school enrollment. In Chihuahua, there are records for school enrollment as early as the first decade of the 19th century. If there are records for schools in Nueva Galicia, they might be within the municipal records of a city.

great question!
Linda in Boulder City, Nv

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:00 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

I am curious as to how much or how far education reached in our villages? Our ancestors would have had to register themselves when they attended schools. So I am curious if there are any archives on school registry to track down what schools our ancestors went to during the colonial period?

Arturo Ramos, Nuestros Ranchos Moderator, once greeted with me with "Welcome to my world"

In March 2010, the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society held a convention in Milpitas, CA. Primo Arturo Ramos, was the featured speaker.

Arturo's topic was: Matrilineal Naming Practices: why and how family surnames were used.
It was about:
There will be some or all of the family children who will use only the mother's surname. This is a common practice when the mother's pedigree comes from a wealthy or influential family. There are also some instances where a child's different surname is chosen from another generation. i.e. a grandfather or grandmother of either the father's or mother's pedigree. It was customary to name some of their children after their grandparents; except that they also included their grandparent’s surnames. So one family's children's surnames could be 2, 3, or more different surnames. And then those children's grandchildren could revert back to the normal surname.

Jose

Hi Carolyn,

I do all of my Zacatecas research through the Familysearch.org site, as well as the Guadalajara Marriage Dispensations. From your posts on message boards, you and I seem to share various lines (Gaitan-Arias de Bedoya, Delgado-Delgado, Gomez-Tiscareno); when I research my lines, I try include all of my direct ancestor's children, with their marriages and offsprings, thus getting as many of the branches and tributaries as possible - perhaps I may have some of yours in my data base? My primary focus is Pinos, Zacatecas. Which lines are you having trouble with?

Regards,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Antes que nada, permitanme desearles un Feliz Año Nuevo, aunque ya lleve varios días el 2012. Estas familias me son muy conocidas ya que Tony Campos y yo las estudiamos hace años. Esto es lo que tengo sobre Cristóbal Becerra y Cornelia Ruiz de Velasco, y los cuatro hijos que conozco:

Cristóbal Becerra Nació: 1647 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Residencia: Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce Padre: Juan Becerra Hurtado de Mendoza Madre: Catalina Galindo
.. +Cornelia Ruiz de Velasco Nació: ca. 1655 en Tepatitlán, Jalisco, México Residencia: Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Se casaron: ca. 1674 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce Padre: Pedro Velasco Navarrete Madre: Mariana de Aceves

1. Damiana Becerra Nació: 21 Octubre 1675 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
2. Catalina Galindo Nació: ca. 1679 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Falleció: Se desconoce
..... +Nicolás Barajas Nació: 17 Enero 1677 en Ayo el

Hola! Provengo de la descendencia de Nicolas Barajas de Olea, me encantaría saber si haz encontrado datos nuevos de esta linea, ya que veo que habias trabajado en ella el año pasado.
De antemano, gracias por tu tiempo y todo lo mejor!
Verónica

Hola Jorge ya que me ayudastes con mis Gomez de Mendoza, ahora es mi turno ayudarte!
Pues aqui esta, en el matrimonio fechado 5 Feb 1698 en Ayo el Chico se encuentra el matrimonio
de Nicolas de Barjas Oleas y Catarina Galindo. Hija de Cristobal de Beserra y Cornelia Ruis de
Velasco. Tus Becerras son los mismos que poblaron Jalos, Lagos, Tepa y Aguascalientes, Los
Fernandez de Becerra. Tu Catarina uso el apellido de su abuela. Cristobal de Becerra es hijo
de Juan (Fernandez) de Becerra y Catalina Galindo. En turno Juan es hijo de Juan Fernandez de
BEcerra y Ana Sanchez de Mendoza. y Ana es hija de los ilustros Toribio Hernandez de Arellano
y Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza. No he estudiado bastante sobre esta Cornelia Ruiz de Velasco, pero
aun cuando encuentro informacion sobre ella te dire. Daniel Mendez de Camino

The parents of the following two are Cornelia Ruiz de Velazco and Cristóbal
Becerra.

*Christoval Becerra Belasco*
Christening date: 31 March 1683 Place: San Agustin,Ayo El
Chico,Jalisco,Mexico

Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0280669, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0280669, Batch number: J602838, Serial number: 01436, Place: San
Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jal County, Mexico, Time period: 1662-1726,
Contributor: EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

*Damiana Beserra Ruis* Christening date: 21 October 1675 Place: San
Agustin,Ayo El Chico,Jalisco,Mexico
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository

I found some more info on CTS4065. You should also be positive for Z295, Z210, and Z195. They fall under DF27 which is the most recent subclade project you could join. It is at the following site -

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-DF27/

One of the group admins there made the following tree diagram

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF27_Descendency_Tree…

You will see C4065 (CTS4065) under Z295.

Apart from the Yahoo forum made by the project admin there is a DF27 forum which has a lot of very good information at

http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?119-R1b-DF27

There is a thread there that is specifically about CTS4065

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1275-DF27-Z295-CTS4065

Saludos
Armando

Hello Victoriano,

I had my wife get the Geno 2.0 test and she also closely matches U.S. citizens of Mexican descent. I have read elsewhere that the Mex30 from Hapmap3 that is found in the spreadsheet that we have talked about before from the Dodecad website http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/10/globe13-calculator.html is also of U.S. citizens of Mexican descent.

I was able to use my wife's file with DIYDodecadWrapper_1_3 which is the latest version. Are you using version 1.3?

http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/

FamilyTreeDNA does not update your terminal SNP based on the Geno 2.0 results. You need to transfer your Geno 2.0 results to FTDNA then copy and paste all of your SNP markers into the following site - http://ytree.morleydna.com/

To see an example go to http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?sectio… then look up kit 289975. You will see that it says R-P310 then copy and paste the SNP markers to the right of that into http://ytree