Familia Mercado- Tlaltenango, Zacatecas

Hello,

I'm looking for any informacion about 2 couples that I found in a Land Record in Tlaltenango. Both couples are mentioned in the history of the same property

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In 2017 I posted:

“ Genealogist Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada. states that Pedro Carillo's wife is Maria Mercado de Vasquez, daughter of Capitan Gines Vasquez de Mercado, and this is the line that makes the most sense when taking in all the information and the timelines. Others place his wife as an illegitimate daughter of Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia and his sister in law but this line is doubtful. In both cases she descends from Conquistador Bernadino Vasquez de Tapia. But one line bypasses Capitan Gines Vasquez del Mercado.

The reason that people mix up the lines is that there is marriage between very close relatives. Capitan Gines Vasquez de Mercado's wife is his first cousin. Licienciado Gines Vasquez de Mercado's sister is married to Bernardino Vasquez de Tapia. To top it off, Bernardino is related to Licienciado Gines Vasquez de Mercado's wife, Ines Vasquez. What happens is that people got confused as to how they are related and then screwed up the line. So Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia states that his daughter is married to Gines Vasquez de Mercado and that Gines comes from an honorable family. What he forgets to mention in this statement is how close his daughter is related to her husband since Bernardo is his uncle, besides his father-in-law. We know that Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado is the son of Pedro Carillo D'Avila (senior). If it is correct that his mother is a daughter of Capitan Gines Vazquez de Mercado then Conquistador Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia is her maternal grandfather and great uncle, and she is not his illegitimate daughter as some genealogists claim.

Genealogist Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada provided clues that I was able to jump on to get the 1624 document that clearly states the name of Sebastian Vasqquez de Mercado's father. What makes this record important is that Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado is still alive at this time.”

Rick A. Ricci

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I would be interested as well because I am a descendant of Ines Rangel de Acuna and Juan Mercado.

I know there are Acuna's and Mercado's in the Fresnillo census. Also I think Sebastian de Mercado and Ana de Santillian or relatives are in the marriage despensa book.

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Bernardo Carillo Dávila is the son of Pedro Carillo and Isabel Luna (Aka Delgadillo). Juana Mercado is listed as “expuesta en la casa De Sebastian Mercado”. Captain Sebastian Mercado raised Juana. I recall reading In another record that when Juana married that it was admitted that she was marrying her cousin. The surname was also written as Vasquez De Mercado.

I previously posted:

“Juana Mercado
Submitted by R.A.Ricci (not verified) on Wed, 2017-04-05 16:34.
Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado, son of Pedro Carillo D'avila and Maria Vasquez de Mercado takes in and raises a baby girl that is left on his "" doorstep". It is assumed that this baby girl is Sebastian's born out of wedlock. "Expuesta" is the word used. The Baby is Named Juana Vasquez de Mercado and when she Is of age, she marries a cousin. When she is married, it is acknowledged that she is family and not just adopted.”

Sebastian Vasquez De Mercado is married to Leonor Gonzalez.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000

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Susana, You have Ana Santillan as the widow of Sebastian where another record names her as Leonor Gonzalez. Leonor Gonzalez is also identified as his widow so I believe that Leonor and Ana are the same person. Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado’s mother’s ancestry is confusing because of the the Tangled web of Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia having three relationships and bis being uncle and father in law to Capitán Ginés. Also confusing the issue is that Ginés is a junior. So when the records say he descends from Ginés they could mean the senior Ginés who was famous in Spain for his charity. 

What we know for sure is that he descends from Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia and the senior Ginés Vasquez de Mercado. 

You can find the 2017 thread of this discussion here on nuestrosranchos: 

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23831 

It was admitted that Juana was biological family, and not just adopted. Juana was a first cousin once removed (segundo con tercer grado) of her spouse, Juana Mercado was a first cousin of her father-in-law. I have not found a record that names her biological mother. 

Thank you, Rick A. Ricci Source 

Mygenes2000

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Hello Rick,
I'm looking for Juana Mercado (wife of Capitan Bernardo Carrillo Davila)

You stated:
“Juana Mercado
Submitted by R.A.Ricci (not verified) on Wed, 2017-04-05 16:34.
Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado, son of Pedro Carillo D'avila and Maria Vasquez de Mercado takes in and raises a baby girl that is left on his "" doorstep". It is assumed that this baby girl is Sebastian's born out of wedlock. "Expuesta" is the word used. The Baby is Named Juana Vasquez de Mercado and when she Is of age, she marries a cousin. When she is married, it is acknowledged that she is family and not just adopted.”

What is the source for this information?. I read the dispensas from the previous post and I couldn't find it. (maybe I didn't read well).

thank you

sus

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I have this if it helps you.wife of 9th Great Uncle of Chet Castanon.record shows that Juana Mercado was raised as a daughter el Capitan Sebastian Mercado..Ordenes  from la Sagrada Mitra 1615-1699dated 17 April 1681 in Guadalajarawitness Antonio de Condomasea Espanol from this city age 70 more or lesswho said  he has known Lorenso Carrillo Davila for 8 years more or lessLorenso Carrillo Davila clerico de menor ordenes from real de Fresnillo no age givenparents: el Capitan Bernardo Carrillo living and Juana Mercado deceased from Jerezpaternal grandparents: Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna both deceasedmat grn: Juana Mercado who was expuesta at the home of Capitan Sebastian Mercado who raised her.note? record mentions Lorenso Carrillo de Abila el moso?source: 168680 Ordenespage 7 Familysearch online.marriage dispensation 3rd degree igualTrunk.. Pedro Carrillo DavilaBernardo Carrillo Davila......Ana Carrillo Davila..1st Nicolasa Carrillo Davila...l...Petronila Felix de Arellano..Juan de la Torre Gamboa.....Teresa Felix de Arellano..3rd .marriage dispensation 3rd degree igualTrunk... Pedro Carrillo de AvilaNicolas Felix Arellano........Maria Carrillo...1st degreeBartolome Felix Arellano...Joseph Roman..2nd degreeJuan Dionicio Carrillo.........Francisca Roman.3rd degreesource: 167367 sagrada mitra film.marriage dispensation 4th degree igualTrunk Unknown SantillanAna Santillan..................Juan Santillan.. siblings1stAna Vasquez Mercado...Thomas Santillan..2ndSebastian Mercado.........Juana Santillan..3rdJoseph Mercado..............Maria Arellano..4thsource: sagrada mitra 167977 film.10th Great Grandfather of Chet Castanon (my father).information for lineage of Juan Carrillo Davila.marriage dispensation 4th degree igualTrunk Unknown Carrillo DavilaJuan Carrillo D...... Pedro Carrillo D. 1st degreePedro Carrillo D.....Maria Carrillo D.. 2nd degreeMaria Carrillo D......Pedro Cid Caldera..3rd degreeJoseph Roman......Josefa Cid Caldera  4th degree.

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Hi Rick,

I'm just reentering the site and found this which seems to be a very interesting discovery. Would you kindly provide me the information that could lead me to the document where Juana de Mercado is mentioned as expósita of Sebastian de Mercado and Sebastian de Mercado as son of Pedro Carrillo de Ávila and married to Leonor González?

I have Sebastian as the husband of Ana de Santillán and possibly, too, of María Beltrán de Acuña.

I also have Bernardo Carrillo de Ávila as the son of the third Pedro Carrillo de Ávila and the first Catalina Cid Caldera. The second Pedro Carrillo de Ávila was married to Juana de Pinedo and some of their children were born in the newly founded San Luis Potosí at the end of the XVI century. The first Pedro Carrillo de Ávila was married to Sancha de Mercado, or Sancha de Belmar, the natural daughter of Bernardino Vázquez de Tapia, the conqueror.

Thank you very much,
Héctor

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Rick,
I wonder if Pedro Carillo D'avila is related Maria Carillo Davila that married Nicolas Gonzalez de Isla, and mother of Sebastian Gonzalez de Isla. Sebastian married Maria Rodriguez in Tlaltenango in 1709 (Tlaltenango Matrimonios 1626-1723, Film 443967, Image 67). Nicolas (b ~1635) is from Nochistlan, son of Diego & Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval, but I haven't found any other information about Nicolas' marriage or residence.

Any chance that you Maria is a sister of Pedro?

Thanks,
Arturo

Introduction

Hello Everyone,

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Hi Rudy,

Welcome to the group. I'm not familiar with the areas you mentioned but, hopefully, others are. If you need help with a specific person just let everyone know who you're stuck on and maybe they might be familiar with that person

Danny

introduction of the Vázquez del Mercado family

Hello everyone, I am Ramón E Sánchez Vázquez del Mercado, I am 62 years old and for more than 10 years I have dedicated a lot of time to the genealogy referring to the surname Vázquez del Mercado, my

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I am also working on this line. It is my direct paternal ancestor. I have reached Juan Vasquez de Mercado cc Ines Rangel de Acuna but am stuck there. Glad to see someone else is working on the line too!

Alex Mercado

Fresnillo, Zacatecas ---Where Are The Records???

Looking for my 4th GGrandfather Cipriano Puente born in Fresnillo in 1787 but the records don't go back that far for that location.

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It might be that the books are lost or destroyed, it might be that they haven’t yet been microfilmed or digitized (hopefully that’s the case). There are still the padrones:

1648: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-WSTN?i=416&cat=23…

1770: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W3HV?i=204&cat=23…

1838: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-WSTR?i=430&cat=23…

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

San Judas Tadeo, Villanueva Zacatecas

Has anyone had any experience in researching records in The San Judas Tadeo church in Villanueva, Zacatecas? My wife and I are planning to visit there this summer.

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I also have family from there and plan to visit sometime, possibly this summer too.

Please tell us about your experience after you visit.

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Hi, Just a followup on San Judas Tadeo Church, Villanueva; My in-laws and I visited the church 2 days ago. The church office is at the side of the church. The young lady at the desk was very pleasant and willing to look things up but the resources that they have on bautismos and matrimonios are limited. The church records are not digitized and apparently are not completely indexed. I had a couple of names and dates for matrimonios in the 1830s but she could not find it in the church index, even though I could see it online through Ancestry.com and familyserach.com copies of records. I think they would have let us see the originals if they could have found it in their index. Its worth a visit to see the church if nothing else. Beautiful to see on the inside.

The presidencia office of the municipio is on the opposite corner from the church. They have death records. We went there too late in the day to see anything though. It was on a Friday and I had to catch a flight out the next day. My in-laws are going to go back next week to check what they have on those.

Just a word of caution on exploring the roads out of town south of Villanueva, you'll want to stay clear of those unless you have friends or family to tell you where not to go. Im told that cartel people are out there.

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Thanks for the update. Sounds like a great experience.

My in-laws live south of Villanueva. They can show me around and keep us out of trouble.

Introduction (Reynoso, Renteria, and Zermeno families)

Hi All, I have been a member here since 2016, with Martin Renteria noted in the records of my wife, Judith Martinez, with her Martinez family very well established and recorded in the Coahuila and Nue

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Your comments are so appreciated. You don't know how much enjoyment it brings to me to know that every once in a while someone expresses the value they have received from all the good folks on this list. Thanks for keeping the website alive. . .I just wish I could help more, but I see the need to back away as the future of the site depends on a group effort, thanks for leading the charge!

Joseph Puentes

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Thank you so much for your efforts (and the tech groups) in ensuring the website does not go down! This place is an invaluable asset and it would be such a pity to lose it

Possible origin of the Lopez Bueso family?

Hola Primos,

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Recently, I found another clue as to Juan de Aguilar Solorzano's (cc Mariana Telles de Herrera & Luisa de Araiza Medina) parents. There's a very short document that explains the relationship between Buenaventura de Villasenor and Maria Petrona del Castillo:

Informacion matrimonial entre Buenaventura de Villasenor y Ortega y Maria Petrona del Castillo y de la Parra (Guadalajara, Jalisco - Enero 26, 1756

In it Buenaventura clearly states that his father and his future bride's father are 2nd cousins. Both of which are said to descend from Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano and Ana Ruiz Galindo! Like I said, it's a short document but there's enough information out there to figure out the parentesco (At least on the Villasenor side).

Starting with Buenaventura's side:

Tronco: Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano cc Ana Ruiz Galindo
Juan de Aguilar Solorzano cc Luisa de Araiza Medina
Juana de Aguilar Solorzano y Araiza cc Luis de Villasenor y Rico
Lorenzo de Villasenor y Aguilar cc Antonia de Ortega y Arriola
Buenaventura de Villasenor y Ortega cc Maria Petrona del Castillo

On Maria Petrona's side, let's start with the bride as it gets murky somewhat the farther back we go (due to lack of documentation):

Maria Petrona del Castillo y de la Parra, daughter of:
Tomas del Castillo cc Maria de la Parra (Here's their marriage record)
Alonso del Castillo cc Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar
Here's where the trail goes cold since I can't find the parents of either Alonso or Mariana. Given Mariana's Escobar surname... I suspect the parentesco is on her side. Regardless, it's another clue to get us closer to Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano cc Ana Ruiz Galindo.

P.S. While looking into the del Castillo's... I ran across this matrimonial information for one of Alonso del Castillo's children (Maria del Castillo y Gonzalez) when they were married off to Lazaro Fernandez de Castaneda. In it Juan de Araiza Medina cc Maria del Castillo gives testimony. He states that his wife is the aunt of the bride! (Don't know if this was known information?) All in all, we find out that Alonso del Castillo (cc Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar), Maria del Castillo (cc Juan de Araiza Medina y Islas) and a Antonio del Castillo were brothers.

P.P.S Another interesting follow-up is that Lazaro married a second time to Juana Alvarez de Castrejon y Covarrubias. It turns out that his future bride had a parentesco with his deceased first wife (Maria del Castillo y Gonzalez). In the dispensa we find that the father of Juana was Francisco de Covarrubias y Gonzalez (Son of Nicolas de Covarrubias and Juana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar - sister of Mariana Gonzalez de Escobar - mother of Maria del Castillo - Lazaro's deceased first wife). Thus we now know that Juana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar and Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar were sisters. Combined with the information above, they were related closely to the Ana Ruiz Galindo y Escobar.

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I went down the rabbit hole of investigating the roots of Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar. As I mentioned in my previous post, the dispensa for Lazaro Fernandez de Castaneda and Juana Alvarez de Castrejon y Covarrubias yielded the discovery that Mariana Gonzalez Lozano was the sister of Juana Gonzalez Lozano (Wife of Nicolas de Covarrubias y Velasco).

In looking at the children of Nicolas de Covarrubias and Juana Gonzalez Lozano (They baptized children in Ciudad Guzman and Sayula around the 1650s and 1660s), I found that there was a common couple that were the padrinos for some of their children. Specifically, Francisco Gonzalez Lozano & Isabel de Escobar (Who sometimes used the compound last name of Escobar de Munguia!) Munguia!!! While extremely tantalizing, it doesn't really prove that they were the parents of Mariana Gonzalez Lozano and Juana Gonzalez Lozano (Even if both of these sisters used Gonzalez Lozano and Escobar). Then I remembered that I found a dispensa a while back when working on my Valladoliddispensas.com indexes. The following dispensa provided another crucial clue as to the parents of the Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar sisters...:

Dispensa Matrimonial entre Gaspar Miguel de Covarrubias y Betancur cc Maria Teresa de Munguia y Vilasenor (Tecolotlan, Jalisco Noviembre 11, 1723)

The dispensa details how Gaspar Miguel and Maria Teresa are related by their Munguia ancestry! Here's the breakdown of the parentesco based on clues I have found along this journey. Note that the "Tronco" part is pure conjecture at this point given the compound surname used by Isabel de Escobar Munguia, possible mother of the Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar sisters. It does fit nicely with the timelines and surnames of those involved. One of the witnesses (NOTE: The main witness, Francisco Gonzalez Lozano, states that the tronco is Juan de Munguia which I don't think is right. Most likely too much time had passed to know the real name of the tronco which I suspect to be Hernando de Munguia cc Isabel de Escobar):

Starting with Gaspar Miguel's ancestry:
Tronco: Hernando de Munguia y Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo
Isabel de Munguia Villela y Escobar cc Francisco Gonzalez Lozano
Maria Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Antonio de Covarrubias y Velasco
Francisco de Covarrubias y Gonzalez cc Nicolasa de Betancur y Michel
Gaspar Miguel de Covarrubias y Betancur

Maria Teresa's ancestry:
Tronco: Hernando de Munguia y Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo
Hernando de Munguia Villela y Escobar cc Isabel de Velasco
Antonio de Munguia y Velasco cc Maria de Mollinedo Santa Cruz y Villasenor
Maria Teresa de Munguia y Villasenor

Back to Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Alonso del Castillo and Juana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Nicolas de Covarrubias, we know that they are confirmed to be sisters. Going back to the baptisms for Juana and Nicolas' children, Francisco Gonzalez Lozano and Isabel de Escobar Munguia appear as padrinos in one or more of their children. We also see Antonio de Covarrbias and Maria Gonzalez as padrinos for children of Nicolas de Covarrubias and Juana Gonzalez Lozano (and vice-versa). So, I'm leaning on declaring that Juana, Mariana aaaaand Maria were sisters, children of Francisco Lozano Gonzalez cc Isabel de Munguia Escobar (daughter of Hernando and Isabel). I'm also going to throw Gaspar Gonzalez Lozano cc Isabel de la Campa y Orozco as another sibling of their given the padrinos on their children and that Gaspar was of the same generation and place as the sisters.

To sum up, I feel that all this leads to the following conjectures:

Hernando de Munguia Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo were the parents of the following children (Their children would have been born around the 1580s -> 1600s):

Isabel de Munguia Villela y Escobar cc Francisco Gonzalez Lozano
Ana de Escobar y Munguia Villela cc Andres Lopez de Bueso (Confirmed to be a child via the Santo Oficio document)
Hernando de Munguia Villela y Escobar cc Isabel de Velasco

As for the children of Francisco Gonzalez Lozano cc Isabel de Munguia Villela (Their children would have been born around the 1610s -> 1630s in Sayula, Jalisco)

Maria Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Antonio de Covarrubias y Velasco
Juana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Nicolas de Covarrubias (possible brother of Antonio?)
Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Alonso del Castillo
Gaspar Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar cc Isabel de la Campa y Orozco

Back to the relationship between Isabel de Escobar cc Hernando de Munguia and Ana Ruiz Galindo y Escobar cc Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano... I suspect them to be daughters of a Ruiz Galindo + Escobar couple. This couple would have had a son named Francisco Ruiz Galindo, brother to Ana and Isabel. (From the Santo Oficio document that calls out that Francisco Ruiz Galindo was an uncle of Ana de Escobar cc Andres Lopez Bueso).

Daniel Serna Valencia

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I found another dispensa that most likely involves the same Munguia/Gonzalez Lozano/Ruiz Galindo roots:

Dispensa matrimonial entre Pedro Michel y Ana de Covarrubias (Tecolotlan, Jalisco - Julio 7, 1719)

I don't know for sure as it doesn't really dive into the particulars as to what branches of the family were involved. However the dispensa is for "parentesco en cuarto grado de consanguinidad". Here's my attempt to flesh out the parentesco with help from the data I've been uncovering:

Starting with Pedro Michel's ancestry:

Tronco: Hernando de Munguia Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo
Ana de Escobar y Munguia cc Andres Lopez Bueso
Nicolas Lopez Bueso y Munguia cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon
Maria de la Rosa Lopez de Bueso y Ocon cc Salvador Michel Ordones y Betancur
Pedro Michel Ordones y Bueso

Here's Ana de Covarrubias's ancestry:
Tronco: Hernando de Munguia Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo
Isabel de Munguia Escobar cc Francisco Gonzalez Lozano
Maria Gonzalez Lozano y Munguia Escobar cc Antonio de Covarrubias y Velasco
Lucas de Covarrubias y Gonzalez cc Teresa de Guzman y Gomez Garcia
Ana de Covarrubias y Guzman

At least this is what I perceive to be the parentesco. I tried to follow other branches of the families involved and couldn't really find another likely parentesco. This one matches up nicely with the fact that the parentesco was reported to be in the 4th grade.

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Estimado Daniel:

Te felicito y te agradezco por tu investigación tan exhaustiva y los datos que de ella nos compartes. Has aportado una pista bastante reveladora sobre el origen de los López-Buezo, de la que muchos descendemos. Leí con interés el proceso inquisitorial abierto para el caso de Andrés López-Buezo, y su curiosa relación de los hechos.

En cuanto a algo que pueda aportar al debate, no es nuevo, pero sirve para volver a meditar a la luz de los descubrimientos.

Existe una dispensa, mencionada en el libro de Luz Montejano Hilton, que cita a Nicolás López-Buezo, hijo de Nicolás López-Buezo y Nicolasa Guerrero y Ocón, quien desea contraer nupcias con María de Isla y Araiza, hija de Fernando de Araiza y Antonia Téllez de Aguilar. Se encuentran relacionados por un parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual, por ser sus bisabuelas, hermanas legítimas. Fechada en Tecolotlán en 1681.

Sobre los citados Fernando de Araiza y Antonia Téllez de Aguilar no tengo más fuentes contundentes, pero sospecho que el primero es hijo de Juan de Araiza y Medina y María González-Lozano; y la segunda hija de Juan de Aguilar y Solórzano y Mariana Téllez de Herrera. Así, la relación sería improbable por el lado de Juan de Araiza, pues era natural de Vizcaya, hijo de Hernando de Araiza y Medina y María de Guzmán. De los demás no tengo más información sobre su ascendencia.

Habría que trazar la genealogía de la rama Munguía y Escobar para cotejar con las ramas ascendentes de los Aguilar y Solórzano, así como de los Téllez de Herrera.

Ahora bien, puede que exista otra dispensa, ésta de una hermana de Nicolás López-Buezo y Guerrero: Ana María. Ella casa también con un Araiza. Bautizan a un hijo, Santiago, el 13 de Septiembre de 1700 en Tecolotlán. Confío que su dispensa manifieste mayores detalles sobre la relación de parentesco entre sus familias.

Creo que, como dices, Andrés López Buezo es con gran posibilidad el padre de Nicolás López-Buezo. Ojalá podamos encontrar un documento que lo mencione explícitamente. Tal vez la fuente esté en su testamento, pues en su defunción se establece que lo efectuó.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-6354-11?cc=1874591&wc=…

Esperemos dilucidar pronto este asunto por completo.

Seguimos con las retroalimentaciones y reitero mi agradecimiento.

Saludos.

Enrique Salvador Agraz Villarreal

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Buenos Dias Enrique,

Es un placer compartir con ustedes este nuevo descubrimiento. Gracias por tus comentarios y informacion. Me has dado mas pistas que puedo investigar para confirmar si los Lopez Bueso que nosotros conocemos en verdad estan relacionados con este Andres Lopez de Bueso. Ojala que pronto encontremos su testamento!

Gracias y Saludos Cordiales,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Hola Daniel y Enrique!

Es un gusto saludarlos otra vez!

Daniel, es todo un hallazgo sobre Andres López Buezo. Busqué en Córdoba y en Antequera pero no hallé nada de que nos brinde más información por ahora.

Sin embargo, quería aportar una pista más sobre los ancestros de Antonia Téllez de Aguilar.
Existe una dispensa de Manuel Capacete y Sebastiana de Pamplona en Autlán. En la dispensa se dice que Juan de Aguilar tuvo a dos hijas, por lo cual el árbol queda así:
Tronco: Juan de Aguilar
Hermanas: Lucía de Aguilar y Antonia de Aguilar

Da. Lucía de Aguilar tuvo a María Vázquez del Alconcher; ésta tuvo a Gertrudis Capacete. Da. Gertrudis Capacete fue madre de Manuel Capacete

Da. Antonia de Aguilar tuvo a María de Isla Araiza y Telles de Aguilar (no es la misma que la esposa de Juan de Araiza y Medina). Pero es la misma que casó con Nicolás López Buezo, hijo a su vez de Nicolás López Buezo y Nicolasa Guerreo y Ocón. Ahora, María de Isa Araiza y Tellez de Aguilar tuvo a por lo menos dos hijas con Nicolás López Bueso: Da. Francisca López Bueso (casada con Ramon García Lascano); y la otra hija fue Manuela López Buezo (casada casada con Nicolás Muños de Pamplona), padres de Sebastiana de Pamplona Lopez Buezo, la presensa de la dispensa.

Por otro lado tengo a Juan de Aguilar Solorzano casado con Luisa de Araiza y Medina con quien tuvo 9 hijos en Aguascalientes (pero ninguna de sus hijas con Luisa se llamaban Lucía o Antonia). Pero bien, pero ésto nos lleva a Aguascalientes.

Allí tengo a Fernando de Araiza teniendo a un hijo en 1660 con Antonia Telles de Aguilar. Ésto último me da a mi la certeza de que éste Fernando en el Hernando de Araiza quien es el hijo de Juan de Araiza y Medina y María de Isla González Lozano, nacido en 1637:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-YFX?i=66&wc=68099…

En fin, no sé si Juan de Aguilar sea Juan de Aguilar Solórzano, pero es posible.

Un saludo amigos!

Sergio

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Hello All,

It's been a while since I started this thread. For the past couple of years I've been collecting clues and I think I'm closer to establishing the link between Nicolas Lopez-Buezo (cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon) and his possible father Andres Lopez-Buezo (cc Ana de Munguia y Escobar).

While no document has yet surfaced that clearly shows that Nicolas is the son of Andres and Ana, there are some clues that help figure this out. The first clue is the dispensa that has already been mentioned before between Nicolas Lopez de Buezo y Guerrero and Maria de Araiza Isla y Aguilar:

Dispensa Matrimonial de Nicolas Lopez de Buezo y Maria de Araiza y Isla (Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico - 3 Agosto, 1681)

Unfortunately, the dispensa doesn't (clearly) state how the consanguinity applies to the bride and groom. It's only mentions that the "bisabuelas" of the bride and groom were sisters. If we look at the parents of those involved, they are:

Nicolas is the son of Nicolas Lopez de Buezo and Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon
Maria de Araiza Islas y Aguilar is the daughter of Hernando/Fernando de Araiza Medina y Isla and Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo

Let's pretend that the Nicolas Lopez de Buezo cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon was indeed the son of Andres Lopez de Buezo and Ana de Munguia Escobar, then we know Andres came from Spain. Ana de Munguia Escobar was the daugther of Hernando de Munguia and Isabel de Escobar as mentioned in the "Demanda de la Santa Inquisicion" I mentioned earlier in this thread. Isabel de Escobar is afflilated with the Ruiz Galindo-Escobar family as she's the niece of Francisco Ruiz Galindo also mentioned in the Inquisition document. So, the supposed family tree for the groom in the above dispensa would be the following:

Tronco: Familia Ruiz Galindo y Escobar
Isabel de Escobar cc Hernando de Munguia
Ana de Munguia Escobar cc Andres Lopez de Buezo
Nicolas Lopez de Buezo y Munguia cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon
Nicolas Lopez de Buezco y Guerrero

Now for the bride it's mentioned that her parents were Fernando de Araiza Medina and Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo. The "parentesco" is unlikely to come from the Araiza Medina side of the family because there was no dispensa called for or needed in the following marriage:

Matrimonio de Juan de Araiza Medina y Castillo y Ana Lopez de Buezo y Guerrero (Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico - 3 Octubre 1691)

In this marriage, Juan was the son of Juan de Araiza Medina y Islas and Maria del Castillo. Ana Lopez de Buezo y Guerrero was the daughter of Nicolas Lopez de Buezo and Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon.

So, between these two documents we know that the parentesco from the dispensa above is NOT through the Araiza Medina. That means that the bride's parentesco has to come from her mother Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo. Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo was the daughter of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano and Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo. I know this because Hernando and Antonia, aside from being the parents of Maria de Araiza y Isla, they were the parents of a priest named Juan de Ariaza Medina y Aguilar. Here's his information when he filed the necessary paperwork to start his religious life:

Moribus et Vita del Br. Juan de Araiza Medina y Aguilar (Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico 1688)

In that information, the witnesses confirm that Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo was the daughter of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano and one of his two wives, i.e. his first wife Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo.

Aside from the above document, we can reference another where Br. Juan de Araiza Medina collected on a "capellania" established by Andres Martinez de Quevedo, brother of Juan's great-grandfather Antonio Martinez de Quevedo. In this capellania, we discover that Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo (cc Juan de Aguilar Solorzano) was the daughter of Antonio Martinez de Quevedo and Mariana Telles de Herrera:

Capellania que fundo Andres Martinez de Quevedo (Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico)

With this we now have a better idea of Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo's maternal roots:

Antonio Martinez de Quevedo cc Mariana Telles de Herrera (Could be related to Diego Telles de Herrera cc Luisa Nunez de Quevedo? Sister of Diego?)
Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo cc Juan de Aguilar Solorzano
Antonia Telles de Aguilar y Quevedo cc Fernando de Araiza Medina y Islas

This Quevedo/Telles de Aguilar doesn't seem to lead to any possible connections to the Ruiz Galindo/Escobar tronco I mentioned before. Given this, we now need to focus on Juan de Aguilar Solorzano's ancestry. This is a bit tough given that Juan de Aguilar Solorzano (married twice, first to Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo and then to Luisa de Araiza Medina y Islas). Per all the information I found related to Juan, it seems that he was a resident of Sayula, Jalisco when he was married to Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo. When he married Luisa de Araiza Medina, he became a resident of Aguascalientes. In Sayula, there indeed was an Aguilar Solorzano family that lived there in the early 1600s. That was the family of Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano cc Ana Ruiz Galindo. We know this based on some of his children:

Matrimonio de Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano y Ruiz y Isabel de la Cruz Rodriguez (Cajitlan, Colima, Mexico - 31 Enero, 1661)
Moribus et Vita del Br. Nicolas de Aguilar Solorzano y Ruiz (Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico - 22 Septiembre, 1649)

In the information for Br. Nicolas de Aguilar Solorzano, we find out that his father Francisco was the son Captain Juan de Aguilar Solorzano - resident of Colima, Colima, Mexico. We also find out that Francisco had a brother who was a priest named Alvaro de Aguilar Solorzano and that this family's roots were in Colima. No further information is mentioned about this family nor do we find any further information on the Ruiz Galindo side of the family. I have seen some family trees reference Ana Ruiz Galindo as including the last name of Escobar. Let's suppose that's true and we go back to the dispensa mentioned above between Nicolas and Maria. The family tree for the Maria de Araiza Islas y Aguilar would looke like the following:

Tronco: Ruiz Galindo y Escobar
Ana Ruiz Galindo cc Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano
Juan de Aguilar Solorzano cc Mariana Telles de Herrera y Quevedo
Antonia Telles de Herrera y Quevedo cc Fernando de Araiza Medina y Islas
Maria de Araiza Islas y Aguilar

In conclusion the "parentesco" between Nicolas and Maria is most likely on the Ruiz Galindo/Escobar side and it would also confirm that Andres Lopez Buezo cc Ana de Munguia Escobar were the parents of Nicolas Lopez de Buezo cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon.

I'll continue to search for more clues/documents that confirm this with 100% certainty but it seems that early 1600s documents for the early provinces of Avalos, Amula, Autlan, etc. are sparse. I'm looking through the Notarial archives of Guadalajara to see if I can find any further clues as I know Ana Ruiz Galindo cc Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano established a capellania around 1649 or so when Francisco died (I couldn't find any capellania however, but I didn't look too closely)

Regardless, I hope this information helps and thank you for reading this far!

Saludos,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Daniel,

I find you suggestions very interesting. I do have a question though. Reading both the Vita e Moribus of Juan de Araiza Medina Aguilar and the Capellania of Andres de Quevedo, I was not able to corroborate who the mother of Antonia Téllez de Aguilar Solórzano y Quevedo is. I did find her father, as Juan de Aguilar Solórzano and that he was married twice, once to Luisa de Araiza, daughter of Juan de Araiza Medina I, and Maria de Isla Lozano. His second wife is the woman I cannot identify. It also clearly gives her grandfather as Antonio de Quevedo. Interestingly this testimony is given by Francisco de Velasco y Zúñiga, who says he was married to a Luisa de Quevedo, and I think was probably the same one as was later married to Elvira de Guzmán.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DG9Z-Z8?i=290&cc=18745…
Can you point me to the image that gives the name of the mother of Antonia de (Telles) Aguilar (Solórzano) y Quevedo?

I may have more to contribute y once I have a chance to pour through the other documents.

Thanks!

Sergio

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Thank you for your reply Sergio. Unfortunately, I don't have a link to a document that clearly states the name of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano's first wife. Witnesses in the capellania did confirm that Juan de Aguilar was married twice. It's inferred given that Juan and Mariana had a child named Pedro de Aguilar Solorzano who married twice (1st to Gertrudis de Araiza Medina and second to Ana Diaz de Corona). Aside from that no other clue/document states Mariana's name as Juan's first wife.

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Daniel,

I am continuing to try to trace these lines with you and confirm what you have found by comparing to the primary sources I have.

The link you give for the Vita e Moribus of Nicolás de Aguilar Solórzano seems like is the same one for the Info Matrimonial for Francisco de Aguilar listed above. Could you please repost the link only for the Vita e Moribus?

I also wanted to thank you, because I had been searching for the ordination papers of Lic. Juan de Araiza Medina y Aguilar, and you did! He was a priest in the 1690s in Autlan and I had been trying to figure out how he fit into the picture to my ancestor Juan de Araiza y Medina Guzmán (?-1665). Interestingly his parents Fernando/Hernando de Araiza y Medina Lozano and Antonia Telles de Aguilar Solórzano y Quevedo had a first son Juan who died in infancy. But your vita y moribus proves they had two different Juans. This is the first

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68J3-H69?i=183&wc=6809…

But then he died in 1662:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S67-8DM?i=82&cc=15024…

The second becomes the Bachiller and later Licenciado.

Thanks!

Sergio

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Woops, looks like a bad copy and paste. Here's the link to the information for Br. Nicolas de Aguilar Solorzano: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DVBD-R?i=301&wc=3JWL-YWG%3A171935001%2C171974101%2C179907901%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591

I'm glad you found the Moribus et Vita for el Lic. Juan de Araiza Medina y Aguilar useful. It was not easy to track down. I had to go through some of the books by hand as his name wasn't indexed properly in the Guadalajara Dispensas.

Regards,

Daniel

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Daniel,

Very quick question(before I try to post some more clues on the Ruiz Galindo line). On image 306 of the Vita e Moribus of Nicolás de Aguilar Solórzano, it gives his paternal grandfather as Cap. Juan de Aguilar Solórzano from the city of Colima. But the third witness also says that he knew "Fulano Galindo" maternal grandfather of Nicolás. Do you think this was his actual name, or more likely a fill-in name, but that his last name was Galindo? In modern Spanish, people will say "conocí a fulano de tal" which in English would be equivalent to "I knew so and so." Thoughts?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DVBZ-W?i=305&wc=3JWL-Y…

Thanks!

Sergio

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Hello Sergio,

I think the “fulano” most likely referred to someone whose last name was Galindo but they couldn’t remember the first/full name.

Regards,

Daniel

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Dear Daniel,
I can contribute a few things the Ruiz Galindo puzzle. There (as usual) appear to be multiple people (at least 3) with the same name around the same time.
In 1691 a Juan Ruiz Galindo (C) presented a marriage request along with his future father in Law Nicolás Caro y Rentería to marry Caro´s daughter María Caro y Rentería.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-DWPV-D?i=128&cat=…

The interesting thing about this, is that I already had both of them in my tree and had found their marriage, but could not prove who the parents were. Now we know. This document gives this Juan Ruiz Galindo’s parents as Antonio Ruiz Galindo and Sebastiana de la Campa, from Zapotitlán. I did not know about this older couple. Juan Ruiz Galindo (C ) also gives his age as 26, which places his birth around 1665. Unfortunately, it looks like Zapotitlán does not have older records, so that I likely a dead end wihtou other documents housed in Guadalajara (which is always possible).

Second, in an older capellanía document, from 1678, Juana Corona, daughter of Hernán González Corona and Inés de Tapia y Aguayo, and widow of yet another Juan Ruiz Galindo (A) (?-1678 ) made a capellanía.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-663N-ZH?i=179&wc=3J49-…

In it we learn of several of their children: Juan Ruiz Galindo (B) (image 182), Francisco Ruiz Galindo (image 181), Sebastian Ruiz Galindo (image 184), a brother in law Antonio Ruiz Galindo (and therefore brother of her dead husband Juan). I believe it is this Antonio Ruiz Galindo, brother in law to Juana that is the father of the Juan Ruiz Galindo (C ) mentioned, married to Maria Caro y Rentería. I have found the marriage of this Juan Ruiz Galindo (A) and Juana Corona in Autlan 1 Jul 1647. This would probably make them both be born at the latest in the 1630s, but possibly in the 1620s.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VL52-Z?i=121&cc=1874591

Finally, the last document I have to offer is the will of Juan Ruiz Galindo y Corona (B) in 1701.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DP5N-D?i=19&wc=3JWB-JWL%3A…

Hope this helps us disentangle the maze of the Ruiz Galindo line. I also wonder if they may be related to the Caro Galindo line that is older.

Regards,

Sergio

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Thank you very much for sharing this information Sergio. It does indeed help to untangle some of the Ruiz Galindo web. We're missing a lot of early information on this family. There certainly is a lack of records for Zapotitlan, Tuxcacuesco, Sayula, etc. which is where they appear to have lived and baptized their children.

I have found a couple of interesting tidbits I'd like to share:

There was a couple in Autlan that baptized their children around the 1660s and 1670s: Juan Tello de Grajeda (Tello de Sandoval y Grajeda) cc Mariana Corona (who sometimes used the surname of Ruiz de Castro). The parents of Mariana appear to be Diego Gonzalez de Corona cc Mariana Ruiz Galindo. The "Castro" is certainly interesting and might be a clue as to the earlier roots of the Ruiz Galindo family.

I also found an index listing pertaining to a Santo Oficio document where a person by the name of "Luis Galindo de Escobar" was interviewed by the Santo Oficio in Sayula on 11/27/1624:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-CGD5

Unfortunately, the document was not microfilmed so I can't see what was said/recorded. However, it's a clue that the Ruiz Galindo lived in Sayula, in the early 1600s. I'll keep sharing info as I find it.

Best,

Daniel

Website Money Needed

ok the website has needed to be updated for a few years now as the Drupal is way out of date.

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Make sure to include a return address so I can return your letter if I don't have 30 people donate

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I, too, would like to know if you received enough donations? This website has been so valuable to expanding my knowledge about my family, I would hate to think it ceases to exist because donations weren't forthcoming. Elisa

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Joseph,

I noticed the date on your request as 9-21-2021. Is this another request for donations?

Count me again Joseph if it is.

George Esqueda

Introduction

Hello!

My name is Paula (Smiley) Flores and I thank you for accepting me into this group/forum. While I've been researching off and on for many years, I'm always looking for more information.

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Hello Paula (or do you prefer “Smiley”?)

Welcome to the group! Quite a few of us have families from the Nochistlan area (though mine are all pre-1700). I hope we can help you break down any brick walls that have hampered you!

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Necesito ayuda en estas lineas: Arce y Castilla, Sanchez de Orduna, Ruiz de Abendano y Rivera, Alfonso y Sosa-Castilla

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Hola Daniel:

Sobre la familia Arce son de Tepetitlán, Hidalgo. Pero realmente no he estudiado esa genealogía.

Doña María de Sosa y Castilla desciende del gobernador de las Islas Canarias, Don Lope de Sosa, también desciende de la casa real de Castilla.

Hay un genealogista llamado Jesús Mendoza Muñoz que ha estudiado la migración de las familias conquistadoras de la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro. En su libro La fundación de Peñamiller en la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro. Tiene al final un capítulo sobre las familias que obtuvieron más territorios.

1. Capitán Diego Sánchez de Orduña se casó con Doña María de Pinto y Cuéllar, fueron padres de:
2. Capitán Juan (Sánchez) de Orduña casado con doña Leonor Sosa y Castilla. Tenía 126 sitios de estancia para ganado, provenientes de la herencia de un pariente. Era regidor de la ciudad de México

María de Orduña Sosa y Castilla casó con Íñigo de Guevara Altamirano (enfermizo) y al morir éste (al parecer sin sucesión)se volvió a casar con el maestre de Campo Francisco Guerrero de Ardila, quien sirvió antes en Filipinas y luego en Michoacán con extensa riqueza en Tepetitlán y fueron padres del contador Gabriel Guerro de Ardila. Conquistador de la Sierra Gorda además de dos hijos adoptivos y tres hijas de crianza.

Diego de Orduña Sosa y Castilla, manejaba la herencia de María que ascendía a 40 mil pesos pagando los réditos. Al morir María su viudo vendió muchos sitios de estancia por lo complicado de su administración.

Resultó muy interesante que haya tenido antes otro marido y otra descendencia.

La ascendencia de la familia Sosa podría ser así:

1. Juan Alfonso de Sosa casó con Isabel Fernández de Mesa, padres de:

2. El Gobernador Lope de Sosa casado con Inés de Cabrera, de la nobleza de Córdoba.

3. Tesorero de la Nueva España Juan Alonso de Sosa y Cabrera casado con Ana Estrada de la Caballería.

4. Lope de Sosa casado con Inés Cabrera de Castilla hija de Luis de Castilla y Juana de Sosa.

5. Francisco y Ana

Faltaría buscar dónde entronca Leonor de Sosa y Castilla.

Por lo que respecta a la familia Castilla sería así:

1.- Pedro de Castilla casado con Francisca Osorio, fueron padres de:

2.- Luis de Castilla casado con Juana de Sosa, fueron padres de:

3.- Francisca Osorio de Castilla casada con Hernán Gutiérrez Altamirano y de

Inés Cabrera de Castilla casada con Lope de Sosa

Por lo tanto Inés y Lope de Sosa eran primos porque el primer Lope de Sosa era hermano de Juana de Sosa.

Espero que te sirva de algo, hay alguna dificultad porque la familia pasó de Córdoba, España a la Gran Canaria, luego a la zona del Caribe, luego a Nueva España.

Saludos

Fabiola

Spanish Surname with del vs. Del

Hello, I'm researching my grandmother's (maternal) line in the mid 1700s in SLP,and I just came across a clue of an additional name: Sacramento.

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In the case of this ancestor, “Sacramento” is part of her given name, “Maria Prudencia del Sacramento,” which is likely a name of one of the manifestations of the Virgin. So, the “d” in “del” is not capitalized. Her surname is “Rangel.”

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Permit me to introduce myself

Hello all:

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Hello and welcome German,

I am related to you through your Altos de Jalisco lines. The closest relationships are through the Padilla and De La Torre lines.

Good luck on your research,
Rick A. Ricci

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Welcome, there's lots of resources here to help you. Also, plenty of people to assist if you have a specific question.

Paige

PEDRO BENITO

Hola prim@s,

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So cool! I also descend from NM from another part of my family. So cool to NM and Mexico linked!

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Hola prim@s,

Pedro Benito’s youngest son was Alonso Benito, who was married to Isabel Lopez. Here is their marriage record, dated 22 Aug 1584, in Mexico City. It names his parents as Pedro Benito and Magdalena Gonzalez, residents of Zacatecas and both deceased, and hers as Gaspar Lopez and Ynes Vasquez, residents of Mexico City, also deceased. According to Pedro Benito’s testamento, Alonso was one of his natural children, so he and Magdalena Gonzalez were not married. And we don’t know if she was the mother of his other children. But at least we have another piece of the puzzle!
Alonso Benito and Isabel baptized their daughter, Maria, on 6 Jun 1585 in Mexico City. As an adult, she used the name Maria Vasquez Benito, and she married Juan de Arteaga, a native of Arrigorriaga, Vizcaya, Pais Vasco. Here’s her carta de dote, dated Jan 1605.
Alonso Benito and Isabel Lopez had another daughter, named Leonor Benito Lopez, but I don’t know what became of her.
Alonso Benito died before 8 Aug 1597, in the Villa de Jerez. On that date, Isabel Lopez was already a widow, when she gave power of attorney to his brother, Pedro Benito.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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So cool! I also descend from NM from another part of my family. So cool to NM and Mexico linked!

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Great work Manny. I love the story of how you found this information. Sometimes, many times luck comes into play in finding information. Many times I have been working hard and have made little progress, when suddenly for one reason or other I luckily run into something that I had been unsuccessfully looking for previously in another investigations. And some of my biggest finds have been when I take a break from my projects and research on other people that I had not previously not known had any connection to my work. Just this past week, i did research on the two subjects of last weeks “finding your roots”, Mario Lopez and Melissa Villaseñor. I was able to connect him to the Zacatecas/Jalisco D’Avila family.

Please keep up your excellent work. Hopefully soon we can get into another debate on our difference of opinions on our Estrada ancestry. I still think that your research finds have helped my conclusion that they do descend from King Ferdinand “El catolico” of Aragon.

Thanks again for your research and stories,
Rick A. Ricci

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This saga continues, and there’s even an added twist.

Antonio de San Martin died before 16 Jan 1599, when his children and heirs gave power of attorney to their mother, Mari Gonzalez, so that she could sell all his assets and properties in las Minas de los Zacatecas. This included a hacienda with its dwellings and foundries and livestock, as well as mines and mine shares. Though I haven’t seen the testamento of Antonio de San Martin, I suppose he named his children as his universal heirs, and that each was to receive an equal share, which is probably why they decided to hold an estate sale, so they could divvy up the receipts. The children named on this document are: Isabel Parraga (already married to Geronimo de Cabrera), Beatriz de San Martin 30, Antonia de San Martin 15, Mariana de San Martin 12, Agueda de San Martin 8, and brothers Alonso, Manuel and Antonio de San Martin, all minors (under the age of 25). After marrying, all of their daughters would adopt either the surname “Parraga” or “Sosa.” I don’t know the origins of these surnames.

On 12 Nov 1600, before the public scribe of San Luis Potosi, Pedro Benito declared that, some 14 years before, in the city of Zacatecas, as one of four heirs of Pedro Benito, his now-deceased father, he sold his quarter share of his father’s inheritance to his brother-in-law, Antonio de San Martin, for the amount of 1,000 pesos, for which he presented him with a bill of sale. Since then, Antonio de San Martin had died, and the bill of sale had been lost. And now, Mari Gonzalez, the widow of Antonio de San Martin, as guardian and curator of their minor children and heirs, was requesting a copy. So Pedro Benito asked the scribe to notarize a new bill of sale in the amount of 1,000 pesos.
Something that caught my attention in this document, is when he said that he was “one of four” heirs of his father, Pedro Benito. But according to his father’s probate papers, there were only three heirs: Pedro Benito, Mari Gonzalez and Alonso Benito. I thought this was curious.

And then I came upon the following document: on 13 May 1596, appearing before Juan de Savala, Teniente de Justicia Mayor, was Leonor Gonzalez, the wife of Juan Gutierrez. She said that, as it was public knowledge, several days previous, her husband had left on the expedition to New Mexico, and as such, he won’t be back for some time. Therefore, she asked the Teniente to grant her permission to grant power of attorney to whomever she saw fit, so that they could sell some mines that she owned in the Mines of Fresnillo, so that she could sustain herself and her children. Once she received permission, Leonor Gonzalez granted power to Luis Hernandez de Celada, resident of la Ciudad de Nuestra Señora de los Zacatecas, so that he, in her name, could sell “mines and shares of mines that she owns in las Minas de Fresnillo, that belonged to her father, PEDRO BENITO, from whom she inherited them.”
There’s the missing fourth heir: Leonor Gonzalez! It’s odd that she’s not mentioned in Pedro Benito’s probate papers, but only a portion of his testamento was included.
Most interesting is her husband, Juan Gutierrez: he was obviously a member of the Juan de Oñate expedition. I checked some documents from that jornada, but only soldiers are listed, and of those, the only Gutierrez’s were Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra and his son, Antonio Gutierrez Bocanegra. Unless he married twice, I don’t think this is the same Juan Gutierrez.
But on that same list - which was dated Dec 1597 - there was also a soldier named Pedro de San Martin, son of Antonio de San Martin, born in Zacatecas, age 25 (b. 1572). Though I can’t say with complete certainty that his father was the same Antonio de San Martin married to Mari Gonzalez, the time line and location are right, and it would make sense that they’d have a son named “Pedro,” it being the name of Mari Gonzalez’s father.

Either way, this document now links this family to another historical event, making it three: the De Soto Expedition, the founding of San Luis Potosi, and the colonization of New Mexico.

Rick - yup, serendipity does come into play a lot in this work. When first reading the third document above, I was surprised as heck to see Pedro Benito’s name, since I had no reason to think that Leonor Gonzalez was his daughter - I was only intrigued by finding someone linked to the Oñate expedition. And that led me to finding another probable child for Antonio de San Martin. By the way, I didn’t realize that we were debating re: the Estrada thread. I was only posting documents that I had found, and hadn’t yet formed an opinion, one way or another. But I did find some new info, a while back, that’s changed all that. I tell you what: I’ve got some down time, I’ll throw something together and post in the coming days.

Thanks, and saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

PS - Correction: in my original post, I said that Maria Vasquez Benito cc Juan de Arteaga was the daughter of Pedro Benito and Isabel Ynostrosa, and that is incorrect: she was daughter of his brother, Alonso Benito and Isabel Lopez.

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Thanks for sharing the great story of Benito. Wow to finding his story in relation to the explorer!

Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin cc Maria de Villasenor y Lomelin

Hello Everyone,

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One possible clue to the origins of Maria de Villasenor y Lomelin (cc Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin) is this dispensa:

Dispensa matrimonial entre Juan Manuel de Bejar y Josefa de la Cueva y Diaz

Josefa de la Cueva is the daughter of Sebastian de la Cueva y Villasenor cc Juana Diaz y Picaso. Juan Manuel's deceased wife was Juana de Anaya who is said to be a 2nd/3rd cousin of Josefa de la Cueva y Villasenor. The relationship is through their Villasenor side. Juana de Anya is said to have been a daughter of Jose de Anaya, "primo hermano" de Maria de Villasenor y Lomeline (wife of Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin, parents of Sebastian de la Cueva). I suspect that the parents of Jose de Anaya (Father of Juana de Anaya, Juan Manuel's deceased wife) was the son of Jose de Corona Anaya cc Leonicia de Orozco Villasenor. Add this to the dispensa between Diego de Villasenor y Lomelin and Ines de la Cueva y Villasenor and we have a general idea about which Villasenor lines are involved.

If this dispensa says that Jose de Anaya and Maria de Villasenor were first cousins... and we assume that the Jose de Anaya is a son of Jose de Corona Anaya cc Leonicia de Orozco Villasenor, the relationship looks like this:

1st degree: Juana de Anaya
2nd degree: Jose de Anaya
3rd degree: Leonicia de Orozco Villasenor cc Jose de Anaya Corona
4th degree: Miguel de Villasenor Orozco cc Maria Bocanegra de Figueroa y Banuelos

In the other dispensa between Diego and Ines de la Cueva are said to be related in the 3rd degree. On this we have:

1st degree: Diego de Villasenor Figueroa y Delgadillo
2nd degree: Jose de Villasenor Orozco y Figueroa cc Maria Delgadillo
3rd degree: Miguel de Villasenor Orozco cc Maria Bocanegra de Figueroa y Banuelos

So the Maria de Villasenor y Lomelin cc Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin is closely related to Miguel de Villasenor Orozco cc Maria Bocanegra de Figueroa y Banuelos.

Daniel Serna Valencia

Ansaldo - Zacoalco de Torres, Tlajomulco

My name is Glen and I am a new member to the group. I started this about a year ago, so I am still relatively new to the field.

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I found a record of one of my ancestors from Zacoalco de Torres, and it looks like the surname was spelled Alsalde. I'm starting to think this was just a typo in the Church marriage certificate because I can't find any information on her. Juana de "Alsalde", married to Miguel de Castro, mother of Patricio de Castro. The document I found was actually Patricio's marriage certificate and that's how his mother's name is spelled. Could it be that her last name was Asalde or Ansaldo?

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Welcome to the group. I haven't found Anzaldos in my family tree, but I also have several surnames in or around Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Gomez, Urena, Castro, Cervantes, Salazar, Meza, Moreno, Bonal. Do any of them match your tree?

My wife has ancestors in Ayo en Chico and Degollado. I haven't researched this line extensively yet, but I remember the following surnames: Martinez, Bernardino, Garcia, Flores, Ramos, Maza, Ayala, and others that I don't remember right now.

Saludos,

Steve in NC

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Glen,

I think you can definitely say that Antonio Ansaldo and Felipa Nunes and Joseph Manuel Montano and Maria Beatriz Gutierrez are the grandparents of Jose Justo Rufino Ansaldo.

Danny C. Alonso

Cosme Felix Bugarin

For those interested in researching the Bugarin family.

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Could you provide the link to the Boletín do Instituto de Estudios Vigueses? I cannot seem to find it

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Hola Gus:

Al parecer el apellido Alonso de Bugarín es compuesto, por ejemplo en el siguiente registro de portal pares:

OM_SAN_JUAN_DE_JERUSALEN, Expediente 23010
Bartolomé de las Piedras y Alonso de Bugarín Damil, natural de Santa Cristina de Bugarín, presbítero.

Padre: Cipriano de las Piedras
Madre: Catalina Alonso de Bugarín

Abuelos maternos; Jácome de Bugarín y María Alonso.

El autor Jesús Bogarín Díaz en su libro "150 linajes isleños" (está en Googlebooks) conoció varios genealogistas especializados en el apellido Bogarín que es una variante del Bugarín como lo narra en su introducción y en la Página 100 hace descender a todos del adalid Basco de Bugarín que se halló en la batalla de Guadalete.

Saludos

Marcelina

Nicolás de Ulloa (or Márquez de los Olivos)

Hello everybody:

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Hello Jesus. I'm afraid I can't help you, at least not yet, but I wanted to reach out to you anyway. I get very excited when I see other people researching the same people! If my research is correct, Pedro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ulloa are my 6th great grandparents. Unfortunately, as of right now, Maria de la Candelaria is the last Ulloa on my Castaneda tree and I have taken a bit of a break from researching the Castanedas. I wish you lots of luck on your search!
Sandra Castaneda

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Hello Sandra
Thank you for your nice comment. I think that María Candelaria Ulloa is not the last Ulloa on your tree, since it is confirmed that her parents were Nicolás de Ulloa and María de Muñoz, so they are the last ones :)
Here is María Candelaria´s wedding record in case you don't have it:

En postrer día del mes de octubre de mil setecientos trece años, casé y velé en facie ecclesiae a Pedro de Vargas Castañeda, hijo legítimo de José de Vargas Castaneda y de Francisca de Vela y Rodas, de la feligresía de Teúl, con María de la Candelaria de Ulloa, hija legítima de Nicolás de Ulloa y de María Muñoz, españoles y vecinos de esta feligresía; fueron testigos Salvador López y Antonio de Castro y porque conste lo firmé.
(On the last day of the month of October of seventeen thirteen years, I married and veiled in facie ecclesiae Pedro de Vargas Castañeda, legitimate son of José de Vargas Castaneda and Francisca de Vela y Rodas, of the parish of Teúl, with María de la Candelaria de Ulloa, legitimate daughter of Nicolás de Ulloa and María Muñoz, Spaniards and residents of this parish; Salvador López and Antonio de Castro were witnesses and for the record I signed it)

The link to the record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BR99-65?i=524&wc=3PS7-…

Who of María Candelaria's children is your ancestor? I have four sons registered. Nicolás Alexandro, Francisco, Joseph Manuel and Buenaventura. My ancestor is Joseph Manuel. His godmother was Melchora Marqués de los Olivos, so I think that there is a probability that his great-grandfather could be Nicolás de Ulloa (Marqués de los Olivos). I hope to find more evidence.
Regards
Jesús Ibarra

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If my research is correct, Manuel Castaneda is my direct ancestor as well. I have him married to Antonia de la Torre.
Then it goes to their son, Vicente Ferrer, married to Maria Lugarda de Aro (2nd marriage) but this tree has not been easy for me.

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Oh yes, Joseph Manuel Castaneda was married to Antonia de la Torre, who is a direct descendant of the converted Sephardic Jew Pedro Pacho, who was one of the conquerors of Nueva Galicia. Their son Vicente Castaneda and his wife María Lugarda de Aro are also my ancestors, then it goes to their son Luis Castanedo, married to Benita Ochoa.
Regards

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Sorry for the delayed response but I have been out of town.
That's fantastic. We descend from Vicente's son, Rafael Castaneda, married to Simona Flores.
Thanks again for your information!
Sandra

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So would you be willing to share any more information you have beyond, Pedro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ulloa. I would appreciate any other information you would like to share.
Sincerely,
Sandra

Edit: I see what you are saying about Pedro Pacho!!! Thank you!

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Hola!
Happy to hear someone else is on this tree doing research!

I am a descendant from Francisco Ulloa. I’ve just recently started on this line- so I’m double checking my work. Thanks for the information thus far!

Ferrer v Ferrel Carmel v Carmen

I have a set of greats Bicente Ferrer (Ferrel) Diaz and Maria del Carmen (Carmel) Rodriguez. I see the spelling of both names going back and forth from Ferrer to Ferrel and from Carmen to Carmel.

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thanks for your comments and the websites. I appreciate all the help I can get.

joseph

Ramas del arbol donde me atoro (Family tree dead ends): Gómez/Rico y Peña/Villanueva - Yurécuaro, Michoacán

En el caso de los Gómez/Rico aun su identidad es una conjetura: El lugar y tiempo estan correctos, y Atilano es un nombre familiar; pero realmente ni se siquiera si son las personas correctas.

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Algunas ramas de la familia estan emparentadas con Pio Pico (el ultimo gobernador mexicano en la Alta California antes de ser apropiado por EEUU, por el lado Verdugo,) y otros de nosotros con su esposa, Maria Ignacia Alvarado (por el lado Collins/Robinson/etc.)

Uno de los topes con que me he encontrado es el apellido de Rico: Aparece una sola vez en la rama Gomez (via el abuelo Carlos Gomez); pero investigando a los Pico me doy cuenta que los Pico tambien provienen de Michoacan.

En un instante de inspiracion, me he preguntado si en algun momento no habra habido una confusion con los nombres Pico y Rico.

Efectivamente los Pico parecen ser mas populares que los Rico en esta area de Mexico.
No se si sea util investigar mas a los Pico de Michoacan, pero ahi se los paso al costo.

Research in Rio Grande Zacatecas

Has anyone had experience researching in Rio Grande before the 1850s? Familysearch only has records from that year forward, any idea where the older ones might be?

Registros de Rio Grande Zacatecas

Para Rio Grande, Zacatecas, solo hay imagenes, en familysearch.org, de mediados de los 1800 en adelante.

Si alguien sabe donde se pueden ver las imagenes previas a 1800 agradecere su ayuda.

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New member Derek researching Davila Villalpando and Ponce Franco ancestry from Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Jalisco

Hi fellow researchers,

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welcome. i share some of these same families. let me know if you need any help

Danny

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Hi Danny,
I need to do a bit more work on the tree to then start doing deeper dives into various branches.
Thanks for contacting.
Derek