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Hello!

My name is Paula (Smiley) Flores and I thank you for accepting me into this group/forum. While I've been researching off and on for many years, I'm always looking for more information.

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Hello Paula (or do you prefer “Smiley”?)

Welcome to the group! Quite a few of us have families from the Nochistlan area (though mine are all pre-1700). I hope we can help you break down any brick walls that have hampered you!

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Necesito ayuda en estas lineas: Arce y Castilla, Sanchez de Orduna, Ruiz de Abendano y Rivera, Alfonso y Sosa-Castilla

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Familia Sosa y Orduña.

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Hola Daniel:

Sobre la familia Arce son de Tepetitlán, Hidalgo. Pero realmente no he estudiado esa genealogía.

Doña María de Sosa y Castilla desciende del gobernador de las Islas Canarias, Don Lope de Sosa, también desciende de la casa real de Castilla.

Hay un genealogista llamado Jesús Mendoza Muñoz que ha estudiado la migración de las familias conquistadoras de la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro. En su libro La fundación de Peñamiller en la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro. Tiene al final un capítulo sobre las familias que obtuvieron más territorios.

1. Capitán Diego Sánchez de Orduña se casó con Doña María de Pinto y Cuéllar, fueron padres de:
2. Capitán Juan (Sánchez) de Orduña casado con doña Leonor Sosa y Castilla. Tenía 126 sitios de estancia para ganado, provenientes de la herencia de un pariente. Era regidor de la ciudad de México

María de Orduña Sosa y Castilla casó con Íñigo de Guevara Altamirano (enfermizo) y al morir éste (al parecer sin sucesión)se volvió a casar con el maestre de Campo Francisco Guerrero de Ardila, quien sirvió antes en Filipinas y luego en Michoacán con extensa riqueza en Tepetitlán y fueron padres del contador Gabriel Guerro de Ardila. Conquistador de la Sierra Gorda además de dos hijos adoptivos y tres hijas de crianza.

Diego de Orduña Sosa y Castilla, manejaba la herencia de María que ascendía a 40 mil pesos pagando los réditos. Al morir María su viudo vendió muchos sitios de estancia por lo complicado de su administración.

Resultó muy interesante que haya tenido antes otro marido y otra descendencia.

La ascendencia de la familia Sosa podría ser así:

1. Juan Alfonso de Sosa casó con Isabel Fernández de Mesa, padres de:

2. El Gobernador Lope de Sosa casado con Inés de Cabrera, de la nobleza de Córdoba.

3. Tesorero de la Nueva España Juan Alonso de Sosa y Cabrera casado con Ana Estrada de la Caballería.

4. Lope de Sosa casado con Inés Cabrera de Castilla hija de Luis de Castilla y Juana de Sosa.

5. Francisco y Ana

Faltaría buscar dónde entronca Leonor de Sosa y Castilla.

Por lo que respecta a la familia Castilla sería así:

1.- Pedro de Castilla casado con Francisca Osorio, fueron padres de:

2.- Luis de Castilla casado con Juana de Sosa, fueron padres de:

3.- Francisca Osorio de Castilla casada con Hernán Gutiérrez Altamirano y de

Inés Cabrera de Castilla casada con Lope de Sosa

Por lo tanto Inés y Lope de Sosa eran primos porque el primer Lope de Sosa era hermano de Juana de Sosa.

Espero que te sirva de algo, hay alguna dificultad porque la familia pasó de Córdoba, España a la Gran Canaria, luego a la zona del Caribe, luego a Nueva España.

Saludos

Fabiola

Spanish Surname with del vs. Del

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Hello, I'm researching my grandmother's (maternal) line in the mid 1700s in SLP,and I just came across a clue of an additional name: Sacramento.

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Spanish Surname with del vs. Del

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In the case of this ancestor, “Sacramento” is part of her given name, “Maria Prudencia del Sacramento,” which is likely a name of one of the manifestations of the Virgin. So, the “d” in “del” is not capitalized. Her surname is “Rangel.”

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

FamilySearch Link to the Record

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This may be the FamilySearch link to the record jimenec80 referred to in the original post:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGGD-DZD

(The AncestryLibrary link wouldn't open for me.)

Permit me to introduce myself

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Hello all:

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Familia Macias Valadez Medina-1.jpg (1.2 MB)

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Permit me to introduce

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Hello and welcome German,

I am related to you through your Altos de Jalisco lines. The closest relationships are through the Padilla and De La Torre lines.

Good luck on your research,
Rick A. Ricci

R.A.Ricci

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Hmmm.
How close?

Would you know any of the Los Altos family history?

Permit me to introduce myself

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Welcome, there's lots of resources here to help you. Also, plenty of people to assist if you have a specific question.

Paige

12 Thanks But Still Disappointing. . .

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I'd like to thank the 12 members that responded to my request for a $10 donation to update the website.

Many thanks to:

Sean and Rebekah Sales
George Esqueda
Linda Vasquez
Martha Gavela

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Oh wow!

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I never saw this post. There is a definite interest in this website online. My background is in PR/Marketing and Media. I think the real reason is people are not getting the messages.

You might get more eyes on this if you create a simple Youtube video about the content of Nuestros Ranchos. There is a HUGE genealogical community on Youtube looking for just this sort of content. You might want to consider setting up an account on there just to advertise for this website. The money you make in views will pay for the website etc.. I can help you with target ideas that will get people to click on your video to generate support. Generally speaking you can launch with topics that are most well known like maybe Cortez and his family tree. Then if people want to watch more they can come here for more details into the family and it's research.

Also if money is a problem with maintaining the website Wix and a few others have websites that are free to access. They have free templates etc. I don't think anyone wants this website to go down EVER. Facebook is already on its last legs so this is an invaluable resource of information for families who still care and carry the torch for our ancestors who are no longer here. If we do not do it who will?

All the best! Let's make this happen :D

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Where can I send my contributions ?

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Joseph, My apologies for not reponding to your call for funding. I've been inactive over a year,now. I was unable to find the site, and my password, so I thought the group had shut down. (True, I know it sounds disengenous.) I even posted in another group, asking what had become of the group, and guess what? No answers . I noticed you put a moratorium on donations,so I will be on the lookout for the next call. Thanks for not giving up on the group.

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Hi Joseph,

i just saw your message. I will send my donation.
Thank you so much for all your hard work

sus leniski

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Hello Joseph,

I will be sending you a check in the morning.

Thank you,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

12 Thanks But Still

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Mailed out money today.

Thank you,
Esther Medrano

12 Thanks But Still

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I'll be mailing out the $10.00 tomorrow and thanks for your hard work.

Esther

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I have $10 to give you but I am in Mexico, I will figure out how to get them to you!!

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Count me in, $10 bill in the mail. Not making excuses for others, but many like myself no longer use paper checks. Thanks for this wonderful website.

Ruben Rojas

Supporting Nuestros Ranchos

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Hi Joseph,
I was absent from the site for several months and I didn't see your message.
Can you cash a check from a French Bank? I dont have a US account.
Regards.
Jorge

Jorge: $5 Euro Bill

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Jorge,

Thank you for showing your interest in supporting the nuestrosranchos.org website. I very much appreciate that you find value here

I would like to just find 30 members that feel the same and so far I've found about 16 including you, thanks!

It is much easier if you were to just carefully hide a $5 Euro bill in an envelope and mail it to Joseph Puentes, PO Box 72524, Durham, NC 27722, USA and I'll email you a receipt if you need one.

If you don't like that idea I'll do some research and see if my bank will cash a check from a French Bank.

Thanks again for your support,

Joseph

Supporting Nuestros Ranchos

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Joseph,
Ok, I'm sending a 10 Euro bill in an envelope to your address.
I don't need a receipt, only to know if you received it.
Regards.
Jorge

All The Way From France. . .Muchisimas Gracias

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Yes Jorge your donation to the upgrade the website effort has arrived. I'm currently at 19 participants and need 11 other individuals to contribute to reach my minimum of 30 members contributing at least 10 dollars. I've decided I'm not going to open the letters until I receive the 11 other individuals and if for some reason I don't get them I'm just going to mark all the letters RETURN TO SENDER and have them all go back to you all. If the website dies "one day" from lack of interest well then it dies. And yes I would say that less than 30 people out of the almost 1000 members is lack of interest.

And since it is not about the money and if 10 dollars is too much just send a letter with what you can give even if it is an "IOU" payable at sometime in the future. Since some told me they gave more if I can just get 11 more people to show enough gumption to actually send a letter with an "IOU" enclosed I'll be satisfied.

Joseph Puentes

Send $10 To. . .

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Joseph Puentes
PO Box 72524
Durham, NC 27722

No PayPal, Zelle, Venmo, ApplePay, etc. Just a check for $10 or carefully hidden in an envelope

thanks,

joseph

Send $10 To. . .

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Nuestrosranchos is a fantastic resource that we can’t let die. Thank you Joseph Puentes for your efforts to keep the site up.

You can add my name to the list of donators in a few days when you receive my check.

I am also concerned about what will happen to nuestrosranchos in the future. I am volunteering to take over management of the site if you ever decide to stop managing it.

Thanks again Joseph,

Rick A. Ricci

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Can send through Zelle.. what is the phone # for zelle

No Zelle

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No Zelle

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I can help too. Let me know exact address to mail it.

PEDRO BENITO

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Hola prim@s,

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PEDRO BENITO

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So cool! I also descend from NM from another part of my family. So cool to NM and Mexico linked!

ALONSO BENITO cc ISABEL LOPEZ

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Hola prim@s,

Pedro Benito’s youngest son was Alonso Benito, who was married to Isabel Lopez. Here is their marriage record, dated 22 Aug 1584, in Mexico City. It names his parents as Pedro Benito and Magdalena Gonzalez, residents of Zacatecas and both deceased, and hers as Gaspar Lopez and Ynes Vasquez, residents of Mexico City, also deceased. According to Pedro Benito’s testamento, Alonso was one of his natural children, so he and Magdalena Gonzalez were not married. And we don’t know if she was the mother of his other children. But at least we have another piece of the puzzle!
Alonso Benito and Isabel baptized their daughter, Maria, on 6 Jun 1585 in Mexico City. As an adult, she used the name Maria Vasquez Benito, and she married Juan de Arteaga, a native of Arrigorriaga, Vizcaya, Pais Vasco. Here’s her carta de dote, dated Jan 1605.
Alonso Benito and Isabel Lopez had another daughter, named Leonor Benito Lopez, but I don’t know what became of her.
Alonso Benito died before 8 Aug 1597, in the Villa de Jerez. On that date, Isabel Lopez was already a widow, when she gave power of attorney to his brother, Pedro Benito.

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

PEDRO BENITO

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So cool! I also descend from NM from another part of my family. So cool to NM and Mexico linked!

PEDRO BENITO

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Great work Manny. I love the story of how you found this information. Sometimes, many times luck comes into play in finding information. Many times I have been working hard and have made little progress, when suddenly for one reason or other I luckily run into something that I had been unsuccessfully looking for previously in another investigations. And some of my biggest finds have been when I take a break from my projects and research on other people that I had not previously not known had any connection to my work. Just this past week, i did research on the two subjects of last weeks “finding your roots”, Mario Lopez and Melissa Villaseñor. I was able to connect him to the Zacatecas/Jalisco D’Avila family.

Please keep up your excellent work. Hopefully soon we can get into another debate on our difference of opinions on our Estrada ancestry. I still think that your research finds have helped my conclusion that they do descend from King Ferdinand “El catolico” of Aragon.

Thanks again for your research and stories,
Rick A. Ricci

MORE ABOUT THE DESCENDANTS OF PEDRO BENITO

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This saga continues, and there’s even an added twist.

Antonio de San Martin died before 16 Jan 1599, when his children and heirs gave power of attorney to their mother, Mari Gonzalez, so that she could sell all his assets and properties in las Minas de los Zacatecas. This included a hacienda with its dwellings and foundries and livestock, as well as mines and mine shares. Though I haven’t seen the testamento of Antonio de San Martin, I suppose he named his children as his universal heirs, and that each was to receive an equal share, which is probably why they decided to hold an estate sale, so they could divvy up the receipts. The children named on this document are: Isabel Parraga (already married to Geronimo de Cabrera), Beatriz de San Martin 30, Antonia de San Martin 15, Mariana de San Martin 12, Agueda de San Martin 8, and brothers Alonso, Manuel and Antonio de San Martin, all minors (under the age of 25). After marrying, all of their daughters would adopt either the surname “Parraga” or “Sosa.” I don’t know the origins of these surnames.

On 12 Nov 1600, before the public scribe of San Luis Potosi, Pedro Benito declared that, some 14 years before, in the city of Zacatecas, as one of four heirs of Pedro Benito, his now-deceased father, he sold his quarter share of his father’s inheritance to his brother-in-law, Antonio de San Martin, for the amount of 1,000 pesos, for which he presented him with a bill of sale. Since then, Antonio de San Martin had died, and the bill of sale had been lost. And now, Mari Gonzalez, the widow of Antonio de San Martin, as guardian and curator of their minor children and heirs, was requesting a copy. So Pedro Benito asked the scribe to notarize a new bill of sale in the amount of 1,000 pesos.
Something that caught my attention in this document, is when he said that he was “one of four” heirs of his father, Pedro Benito. But according to his father’s probate papers, there were only three heirs: Pedro Benito, Mari Gonzalez and Alonso Benito. I thought this was curious.

And then I came upon the following document: on 13 May 1596, appearing before Juan de Savala, Teniente de Justicia Mayor, was Leonor Gonzalez, the wife of Juan Gutierrez. She said that, as it was public knowledge, several days previous, her husband had left on the expedition to New Mexico, and as such, he won’t be back for some time. Therefore, she asked the Teniente to grant her permission to grant power of attorney to whomever she saw fit, so that they could sell some mines that she owned in the Mines of Fresnillo, so that she could sustain herself and her children. Once she received permission, Leonor Gonzalez granted power to Luis Hernandez de Celada, resident of la Ciudad de Nuestra Señora de los Zacatecas, so that he, in her name, could sell “mines and shares of mines that she owns in las Minas de Fresnillo, that belonged to her father, PEDRO BENITO, from whom she inherited them.”
There’s the missing fourth heir: Leonor Gonzalez! It’s odd that she’s not mentioned in Pedro Benito’s probate papers, but only a portion of his testamento was included.
Most interesting is her husband, Juan Gutierrez: he was obviously a member of the Juan de Oñate expedition. I checked some documents from that jornada, but only soldiers are listed, and of those, the only Gutierrez’s were Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra and his son, Antonio Gutierrez Bocanegra. Unless he married twice, I don’t think this is the same Juan Gutierrez.
But on that same list - which was dated Dec 1597 - there was also a soldier named Pedro de San Martin, son of Antonio de San Martin, born in Zacatecas, age 25 (b. 1572). Though I can’t say with complete certainty that his father was the same Antonio de San Martin married to Mari Gonzalez, the time line and location are right, and it would make sense that they’d have a son named “Pedro,” it being the name of Mari Gonzalez’s father.

Either way, this document now links this family to another historical event, making it three: the De Soto Expedition, the founding of San Luis Potosi, and the colonization of New Mexico.

Rick - yup, serendipity does come into play a lot in this work. When first reading the third document above, I was surprised as heck to see Pedro Benito’s name, since I had no reason to think that Leonor Gonzalez was his daughter - I was only intrigued by finding someone linked to the Oñate expedition. And that led me to finding another probable child for Antonio de San Martin. By the way, I didn’t realize that we were debating re: the Estrada thread. I was only posting documents that I had found, and hadn’t yet formed an opinion, one way or another. But I did find some new info, a while back, that’s changed all that. I tell you what: I’ve got some down time, I’ll throw something together and post in the coming days.

Thanks, and saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

PS - Correction: in my original post, I said that Maria Vasquez Benito cc Juan de Arteaga was the daughter of Pedro Benito and Isabel Ynostrosa, and that is incorrect: she was daughter of his brother, Alonso Benito and Isabel Lopez.

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Thanks for sharing the great story of Benito. Wow to finding his story in relation to the explorer!

Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin cc Maria de Villasenor y Lomelin

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Hello Everyone,

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Juan Manuel de Bejar cc Josefa de la Cueva y Diaz

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One possible clue to the origins of Maria de Villasenor y Lomelin (cc Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin) is this dispensa:

Dispensa matrimonial entre Juan Manuel de Bejar y Josefa de la Cueva y Diaz

Josefa de la Cueva is the daughter of Sebastian de la Cueva y Villasenor cc Juana Diaz y Picaso. Juan Manuel's deceased wife was Juana de Anaya who is said to be a 2nd/3rd cousin of Josefa de la Cueva y Villasenor. The relationship is through their Villasenor side. Juana de Anya is said to have been a daughter of Jose de Anaya, "primo hermano" de Maria de Villasenor y Lomeline (wife of Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin, parents of Sebastian de la Cueva). I suspect that the parents of Jose de Anaya (Father of Juana de Anaya, Juan Manuel's deceased wife) was the son of Jose de Corona Anaya cc Leonicia de Orozco Villasenor. Add this to the dispensa between Diego de Villasenor y Lomelin and Ines de la Cueva y Villasenor and we have a general idea about which Villasenor lines are involved.

If this dispensa says that Jose de Anaya and Maria de Villasenor were first cousins... and we assume that the Jose de Anaya is a son of Jose de Corona Anaya cc Leonicia de Orozco Villasenor, the relationship looks like this:

1st degree: Juana de Anaya
2nd degree: Jose de Anaya
3rd degree: Leonicia de Orozco Villasenor cc Jose de Anaya Corona
4th degree: Miguel de Villasenor Orozco cc Maria Bocanegra de Figueroa y Banuelos

In the other dispensa between Diego and Ines de la Cueva are said to be related in the 3rd degree. On this we have:

1st degree: Diego de Villasenor Figueroa y Delgadillo
2nd degree: Jose de Villasenor Orozco y Figueroa cc Maria Delgadillo
3rd degree: Miguel de Villasenor Orozco cc Maria Bocanegra de Figueroa y Banuelos

So the Maria de Villasenor y Lomelin cc Francisco de la Cueva y Lomelin is closely related to Miguel de Villasenor Orozco cc Maria Bocanegra de Figueroa y Banuelos.

Daniel Serna Valencia

Ansaldo - Zacoalco de Torres, Tlajomulco

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My name is Glen and I am a new member to the group. I started this about a year ago, so I am still relatively new to the field.

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Rufino Ansaldo y Maria Sarmiento

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I have Rufino Ansaldo and Maria Sarmiento in my tree. I just started to research my Ansaldo line.

Anzaldo/Ansaldo

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Gil, primo, compare your Anzaldo research with the work I did on our shared ancestry by browsing the relevant Wikitree profiles and their sources. Reach out to me for any reason (mralvarez314 at gmail). Good luck!

Ansaldo or Alsalde?

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I found a record of one of my ancestors from Zacoalco de Torres, and it looks like the surname was spelled Alsalde. I'm starting to think this was just a typo in the Church marriage certificate because I can't find any information on her. Juana de "Alsalde", married to Miguel de Castro, mother of Patricio de Castro. The document I found was actually Patricio's marriage certificate and that's how his mother's name is spelled. Could it be that her last name was Asalde or Ansaldo?

Ansaldo or Alsalde?

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Both names are used for the same family. I have seen other records for Juana's family that use the name Ansaldo.

Ansaldo - Zacoalco de Torres,

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Welcome to the group. I haven't found Anzaldos in my family tree, but I also have several surnames in or around Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Gomez, Urena, Castro, Cervantes, Salazar, Meza, Moreno, Bonal. Do any of them match your tree?

My wife has ancestors in Ayo en Chico and Degollado. I haven't researched this line extensively yet, but I remember the following surnames: Martinez, Bernardino, Garcia, Flores, Ramos, Maza, Ayala, and others that I don't remember right now.

Saludos,

Steve in NC

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Glen,

I think you can definitely say that Antonio Ansaldo and Felipa Nunes and Joseph Manuel Montano and Maria Beatriz Gutierrez are the grandparents of Jose Justo Rufino Ansaldo.

Danny C. Alonso

Cosme Felix Bugarin

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For those interested in researching the Bugarin family.

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Cosme Felix Bugarin

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Could you provide the link to the Boletín do Instituto de Estudios Vigueses? I cannot seem to find it

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https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/revista?codigo=24983

Apellido Bugarín

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Hola Gus:

Al parecer el apellido Alonso de Bugarín es compuesto, por ejemplo en el siguiente registro de portal pares:

OM_SAN_JUAN_DE_JERUSALEN, Expediente 23010
Bartolomé de las Piedras y Alonso de Bugarín Damil, natural de Santa Cristina de Bugarín, presbítero.

Padre: Cipriano de las Piedras
Madre: Catalina Alonso de Bugarín

Abuelos maternos; Jácome de Bugarín y María Alonso.

El autor Jesús Bogarín Díaz en su libro "150 linajes isleños" (está en Googlebooks) conoció varios genealogistas especializados en el apellido Bogarín que es una variante del Bugarín como lo narra en su introducción y en la Página 100 hace descender a todos del adalid Basco de Bugarín que se halló en la batalla de Guadalete.

Saludos

Marcelina

Nicolás de Ulloa (or Márquez de los Olivos)

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Hello everybody:

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Castaneda Ulloa

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Hello Jesus. I'm afraid I can't help you, at least not yet, but I wanted to reach out to you anyway. I get very excited when I see other people researching the same people! If my research is correct, Pedro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ulloa are my 6th great grandparents. Unfortunately, as of right now, Maria de la Candelaria is the last Ulloa on my Castaneda tree and I have taken a bit of a break from researching the Castanedas. I wish you lots of luck on your search!
Sandra Castaneda

María Candelaria de Ulloa

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Hello Sandra
Thank you for your nice comment. I think that María Candelaria Ulloa is not the last Ulloa on your tree, since it is confirmed that her parents were Nicolás de Ulloa and María de Muñoz, so they are the last ones :)
Here is María Candelaria´s wedding record in case you don't have it:

En postrer día del mes de octubre de mil setecientos trece años, casé y velé en facie ecclesiae a Pedro de Vargas Castañeda, hijo legítimo de José de Vargas Castaneda y de Francisca de Vela y Rodas, de la feligresía de Teúl, con María de la Candelaria de Ulloa, hija legítima de Nicolás de Ulloa y de María Muñoz, españoles y vecinos de esta feligresía; fueron testigos Salvador López y Antonio de Castro y porque conste lo firmé.
(On the last day of the month of October of seventeen thirteen years, I married and veiled in facie ecclesiae Pedro de Vargas Castañeda, legitimate son of José de Vargas Castaneda and Francisca de Vela y Rodas, of the parish of Teúl, with María de la Candelaria de Ulloa, legitimate daughter of Nicolás de Ulloa and María Muñoz, Spaniards and residents of this parish; Salvador López and Antonio de Castro were witnesses and for the record I signed it)

The link to the record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BR99-65?i=524&wc=3PS7-…

Who of María Candelaria's children is your ancestor? I have four sons registered. Nicolás Alexandro, Francisco, Joseph Manuel and Buenaventura. My ancestor is Joseph Manuel. His godmother was Melchora Marqués de los Olivos, so I think that there is a probability that his great-grandfather could be Nicolás de Ulloa (Marqués de los Olivos). I hope to find more evidence.
Regards
Jesús Ibarra

María Candelaria de Ulloa

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If my research is correct, Manuel Castaneda is my direct ancestor as well. I have him married to Antonia de la Torre.
Then it goes to their son, Vicente Ferrer, married to Maria Lugarda de Aro (2nd marriage) but this tree has not been easy for me.

María Candelaria de Ulloa

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Oh yes, Joseph Manuel Castaneda was married to Antonia de la Torre, who is a direct descendant of the converted Sephardic Jew Pedro Pacho, who was one of the conquerors of Nueva Galicia. Their son Vicente Castaneda and his wife María Lugarda de Aro are also my ancestors, then it goes to their son Luis Castanedo, married to Benita Ochoa.
Regards

María Candelaria de Ulloa

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Sorry for the delayed response but I have been out of town.
That's fantastic. We descend from Vicente's son, Rafael Castaneda, married to Simona Flores.
Thanks again for your information!
Sandra

any additional information?

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So would you be willing to share any more information you have beyond, Pedro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ulloa. I would appreciate any other information you would like to share.
Sincerely,
Sandra

Edit: I see what you are saying about Pedro Pacho!!! Thank you!

Francisco Ulloa

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Hola!
Happy to hear someone else is on this tree doing research!

I am a descendant from Francisco Ulloa. I’ve just recently started on this line- so I’m double checking my work. Thanks for the information thus far!

Ferrer v Ferrel Carmel v Carmen

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I have a set of greats Bicente Ferrer (Ferrel) Diaz and Maria del Carmen (Carmel) Rodriguez. I see the spelling of both names going back and forth from Ferrer to Ferrel and from Carmen to Carmel.

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Spelling Variants

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Yes, I agree with you. Those spelling variants are common. Vicente Ferrer was a Saint from Valencia, Spain, and the names Carmen and Carmel are at times used interchangeably.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Ferrer_(santo)

http://etimologias.dechile.net/?Carmen

thank you

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thanks for your comments and the websites. I appreciate all the help I can get.

joseph

Ramas del arbol donde me atoro (Family tree dead ends): Gómez/Rico y Peña/Villanueva - Yurécuaro, Michoacán

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En el caso de los Gómez/Rico aun su identidad es una conjetura: El lugar y tiempo estan correctos, y Atilano es un nombre familiar; pero realmente ni se siquiera si son las personas correctas.

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Confusion Pico/Rico en Michoacan

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Algunas ramas de la familia estan emparentadas con Pio Pico (el ultimo gobernador mexicano en la Alta California antes de ser apropiado por EEUU, por el lado Verdugo,) y otros de nosotros con su esposa, Maria Ignacia Alvarado (por el lado Collins/Robinson/etc.)

Uno de los topes con que me he encontrado es el apellido de Rico: Aparece una sola vez en la rama Gomez (via el abuelo Carlos Gomez); pero investigando a los Pico me doy cuenta que los Pico tambien provienen de Michoacan.

En un instante de inspiracion, me he preguntado si en algun momento no habra habido una confusion con los nombres Pico y Rico.

Efectivamente los Pico parecen ser mas populares que los Rico en esta area de Mexico.
No se si sea util investigar mas a los Pico de Michoacan, pero ahi se los paso al costo.

Research in Rio Grande Zacatecas

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Has anyone had experience researching in Rio Grande before the 1850s? Familysearch only has records from that year forward, any idea where the older ones might be?

Registros de Rio Grande Zacatecas

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Para Rio Grande, Zacatecas, solo hay imagenes, en familysearch.org, de mediados de los 1800 en adelante.

Si alguien sabe donde se pueden ver las imagenes previas a 1800 agradecere su ayuda.

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Documentos previos a 1850s

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Haz tenido suerte en encontrar esos documentos? Me encontre con el mismo problema

New member Derek researching Davila Villalpando and Ponce Franco ancestry from Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Jalisco

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Hi fellow researchers,

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welcome. i share some of these same families. let me know if you need any help

Danny

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Hi Danny,
I need to do a bit more work on the tree to then start doing deeper dives into various branches.
Thanks for contacting.
Derek

Padrones de San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Jalisco

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Hoy noté que los registros de la iglesia de San Ignacio Cerro Gordo no están disponibles en FamilySearch. (Tal vez están allí y simplemente no los he encontrado todavía).

Gaspar de Avalos, Alonso de Avalos, Gabriel de Avalos & Sebastian de Avalos

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Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada y Mendoza
Alonso de Avalos cc Catalina de Orosco
Gabriel de Avalos cc Maria Quezada
Sebastian de Avalos cc Mariana de Castro

Hola prim@s,

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Juan de Malaber

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Hi Manny, I think if i remember Juan de Malaber was the second husband of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza. But it's been a long time since I looked at these families. So when it says "su nieta" for Beatriz Gomez aka Sanchez I think they just don't know how to describe the relationship of Juan de Malaber. Technically Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez would be the step-granddaughter, if that's even a thing. Based on the multiple names Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez uses and since we know she is the actual granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, we can reasonable assume that her actual grandfather is Juan Sanchez de Lara. Juan de Malaber i think may be discussed in this thread:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24229 

Danny

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Beatriz Sanchez

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Danny,

I have a question about Beatriz Sanchez. If she's the granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, does that mean she's the daughter of Maria Sanchez? Also I was wondering if you were familiar with Francisco Sanchez de Quezada, son of Lazaro Sanchez and grandson of Maria Sanchez. If Maria Sanchez is the mother of Beatriz Sanchez then she would be the sibling of Lazaro Sanchez. So my question is where does Sanchez de Quezada come from. It appears to come from Lazaro Sanchez since Lazaro's wife's parents are known. Was Maria Sanchez married to a Quezada or descend from a Quezada? I do know one of Maria Sanchez's children uses Ornelas but where does Quezada come from?

Paige

Re: Juan de Malaber

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Danny,

That’s a really good point. It reminds of what Jaime Holcombe revealed, regarding how everyone assumed that the Delgadillo’s descended from Juan de Renteria, when they descended from his wife Ysabel Calderon’s first husband, Diego Delgadillo.

Thanks,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

My link to the Avalos family through marriage.

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Manny,

I thread through this thread and was impressed with the amount of research that you have done with to expand our knowledge on this line and all others who have contributed thus far. I must state that I am related to this line on numerous lines, but do share a close tie through the Méndez de Torres of Zamora, Michoacán.

D. Baltazar de Avalos y Tovar and Da. Juana Ruiz de Aldana had another daughter named Da. Catalina de Avalos y Aldana (based on the various baptismal records she appears as madrina in Santa María de los Lagos and is listed as their daughter) who married D. Balthazar Martín-Barragán y Arias de Bedoya, probably in Zamora or Santa María de los Lagos, I still have yet to locate this record, if it exists. They had the following (so far what I have found):

1. Teresa Martín Barragán y Avalos b.- 7 June 1651 in San Martín de Zamora
2. Micaela Martín Barragán y Avalos b. - 19 Oct 1653 in San Martín de Zamora
3. Juana Martín Barragán y Avalos b. 11 Aug 1655 in San Martín de Zamora
4. José Martín Barragán y Avalos b. 14 Dec 1656 in Santa María de los Lagos

As you can see the family moved sometime between Juana and José's birth to Catalina de Avalos native town of Santa María de los Lagos, present day Lagos de Moreno. I want to draw your attention to their oldest daughter Teresa. She married my eighth great grand uncle's son, D. Diego Méndez de Torres y Ochoa Garibay de Solís, who was a "comerciante" on 27 April 1677 in Aguascalientes. The marriage record does not state Diego's parents, but through other records in León, Guanajuato, I was able to establish the identity of his parents of which I shouted for joy as I soon learned who he was. The couple had at least one daughter Da. Francisca Méndez de Torres y Martín Barragán, baptized 19 Oct 1679 in nearby León, Guanajuato.

Diego's father (my eighth granduncle) D. Diego Méndez de Torres (also Méndez de Sotomayor) y Arias de Bedoya was Alcalde Provisional de León al estado noble y su jurisdicción, until his death, by then he had already remarried and brought all his children to León, leaving the "solar familiar" of Zamora, Michoacán to take on expanded responsibilities in the Cabildo of León. As soon as the children are of age they are married into the García de León, Zúñiga y Mendoza, Vargas Machuca, Salceda Andrade, López de Lara and the Martín Barragán families. I call it very strategic marriage planning as the majority of these families were either directly or indirectly involved with the Cabildo through business or marriages. I would enjoy to further discuss the Avalos families, please email or message me on FB.

Saludos,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Gaspar de Avalos & OMG

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Hola prim@s,

Over the summer, I finally got a chance to thoroughly read the 1657 causa criminal of Juan and Aparisio de Avalos, and boy! did I get some things wrong: Nicolas Garcia and his brother, Gaspar Garcia, were not captured, and they managed to escape. That's how they are able to appear in Huaniqueo in 1660, and later, in Lagos, where they were finally arrested. They were then extradited to San Luis Potosi; on 7 Aug 1665, Capp Juan Antonio de Pro, Alcalde Provincial de la Sta Hermandad de la Nueva Galicia, delivers Nicolas Garcia de Avalos, Gaspar y Juan de Avalos sus hermanos, y Juan Perez y Felipe de la Cruz Mulatos Libres. I lose the scent there. Gaspar de Avalos father was not among those arrested.

Hello Daniel,

Thank you very much for connecting Catalina de Avalos cc Baltasar Martin Barragan to Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz! I had seen her and Baltasar in Zamora, and I wondered who she belonged to. This reinforces Baltasar de Avalos Tovar's & Juana Ruiz de Aldana's presence in Zamora, along with the marriage of their son, Nicolas de Avalos to Ynes Martinez Ortega, on 21 Aug 1651.

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

GRABIEL DE ABALOS & ALONSO DAVALOS LUDENA

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Hola prim@s,

It’s been a while since I’ve found anything on our favorite gangsta family, los Malos Davalos. I found this one in the Guadalajara Protocolos; it’s a promissory note, dated 21 Oct 1637, in Villa de Lagos: Grabiel de Abalos (how he signed his name), vecino desta Villa (Lagos), as principal debtor, and Alº Davalos Ludena (how he signed his name), as his guarantor, promises to pay Esteban de Anda Altamirano 94 pesos and 4 tomines in Reales, for the same amount loaned to him.

The last time we saw Grabiel de Abalos was 1 Jan 1630, in San Matias, Pinos, when his slave, Maria Negra Adulta, was baptized (her padrinos were Sebastian Perez and Luisa, Negros Esclavos de Luis de Urdiales). If he is the same Gabriel de Avalos who married Agustina de Velasco, then he next appears on 26 Jul 1639, in San Luis Potosi, when they baptize Nicolas.

As for Alonso Davalos Ludena, I don’t know of any other Alonso de Avalos living in Villa de Lagos in 1637, other than the one married to Catarina de Orozco, and who we know was brother of Gaspar de Abalos. If it is him, “Ludena” is a new surname for this branch. I wonder if there is any link to Maria de Ludena/Luduina/Ludueña, who married Rodrigo de Ornelas y Mendoza, 26 Nov 1615, in Lagos, and who died, 19 Dec 1674, in Jalos? Does anyone know who she is? From the timeline, she could easily be a sibling of the Avalos’.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

GRABIEL DE ABALOS & ALONSO DAVALOS LUDENA

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Hi Manny,

It's a been awhile since I looked at these families. But I thought we had all basically decided they were brothers -Gaspar, Gabriel, Alonso and others. Was I wrong? The only mention I found of Maria de Ludena is this passage I think from Rodolfo Hernandez Chavez, where Gaspar is identified as Gaspar de Avalos Ludena:

Gaspar de Avalos-Ludeña casado por 1620 con Doña Luisa de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza, hermana de Doña María de Quesada ó María de Mendoza; Doña Juana de Avalos, madre de Juan de Orozco que casó con María de Quesada y Alvarado, hija de Francisco de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza –hermano de Doña María y de Doña Luisa de Quesada-, y de su esposa Catalina de los Ángeles Alvarado; Doña Ysabel Avalos-Ludeña / “Ysabel de Orozco”, esposa de Don Sebastián Pérez de Ortega; y a caso Doña María de Ludeña, casada en Patzcuaro y, velada el 26 de Noviembre de 1615 en Lagos con Rodrigo de Órnelas y Mendoza… ¿Tal vez?, debamos de incluir como hijo de Alonso de Avalos y de Catalina de Orozco, a Francisco de Avalos, esposo de María de Espitia, quien según investigaciones de Don Jaime Holcombe procreó en Beatriz Sánchez de Lara –también conocida como Beatriz Sánchez de Carranza, Beatriz Sánchez de Mendoza ó Beatriz Gómez propietaria de una casa en la Villa de los Lagos, descrita en el padrón de 669 como “Casa de María Gómez Viuda”, donde vivía Antonia de Avalos doncella, en compañía de Bernarda Ortiz doncella, y de la “Estancia de San Nicolás de la Ciénega” en la jurisdicción de San Juan/Jalostotitlán, registrada en los padrones de 1670 como “Rancho de Beatriz Gómez”, y en los de 1672, 1673 y 1679 como “Estancia de Beatriz Gómez”,

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Hi Danny,

We’ve documented that Gaspar, Juan & Alonso were brothers, Gabriel & Sebastian were brothers, and Baltasar and Juana were siblings; we know that Gaspar, Alonso, Gabriel and Sebastian and their families all had contact with each other, and that Gaspar and Gabriel appear to shadow each other in their movements between Lagos, Pinos, Armadillo and Irapuato. Also, none of their children nor grandchildren intermarried, and we’ve seen only 3 dispensations for great-grandchildren. As for being certain whether all 7 were in the same family group, we still can’t say, but they were definitely at least cousins.

Thanks for reposting Rodolfo’s piece, I had forgotten about that. I’ve been foraging through the Lagos de Moreno church records, and I’ve found something that ties into that: Rodrigo de Ornelas and Maria de Ludeña appear as padrinos for 3 baptisms in 1637, and on the partidas she is given the name “Maria de Avalos.” We already have Alonso de Avalos using “Ludeña” - I’d like to see Rodolfo’s sources, with Gabriel using that surname, as well as Ysabel de Avalos cc Sebastian Perez de Ortega.

GASPAR DE AVALOS

On 18 Dec 1664, in Lagos de Moreno, buried was Ana de Montoya española, wife of Gaspar de Avalos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KWZD-3?i=359&wc=3JDH-P…

On 17 Nov 1665, in Jalostotitlan, buried was Beatriz de Montoya, wife of Gaspar de Avalos el Mozo. She was a resident of the estansia called Ornelas in San Juan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FM9T-6Z?i=24&wc=SS22-F…

There were 3 men named Gaspar, associated with these lines: Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quesada, their son, Gaspar Garcia de Avalos (b 19 Sep 1639), and Gaspar, son of Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz de Aldana (b. 6 Jul 1636). This last one used the name “Gaspar de Aldana” in later records, and appears in the 1672 & 1673 San Juan padrones. The 1st Gaspar and his son were in Lagos de Moreno as early as May 1664, when daughter Andrea married Roque Flores. Ana de Montoya could’ve been married to either 3, and Beatriz to either of the younger ones. Anyone?

NICOLAS GARCIA DE AVALOS

Buried on 10 Dec 1665 in Lagos de Moreno was Nicolas Garcia de Avalos. If you remember, Nicolas was the oldest son of Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada. He started using the alias “Garcia,” as early as 23 Feb 1654, when he married Ysabel del Castillo in Armadillo. I don’t know if it is an ancestral surname, though his brother, Gaspar, also used it. I was surprised to see him buried in Lagos, because the last we had heard of him was the previous Aug 1665, when he and his brothers Gaspar & Juan were extradited to San Luis Potosi, probably for those murders and robberies committed in 1656. Looks like his sentence was carried out in Lagos, since the burial record says he was “justiciado” (executed). It took 8 years, but justice finally caught up with him: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KWZK-Y?i=362&wc=3JDH-P…

NICOLAS DE RIBERA

Here’s something I had overlooked: Gaspar de Avalos & Luisa de Quezada’s daughter, Ysabel de Avalos, married Geronimo de Arroyo in 1647 in Pinos. On their 1646 IM, the first witness was Nicolas de Ribera, age 20, who said he was “primo hermano de la dicha Ysabel de Avalos.” So, either Gaspar de Avalos or Luisa de Quesada had a sibling who married a “Ribera”:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7RJ-4?i=34&wc=3PS9-W3…

BEATRIZ SANCHEZ AKA GOMEZ ETC

Regarding Beatriz Sanchez aka Gomez etc: on 21 Jun 1628, in Lagos de Moreno, baptized were Phelipe and Ana, both “hijos de la Yglesia,” and Antonio hijo de Alonso de Quesada cc Ysabel de Alarcon, and the padrinos for all 3 were Juan de Malaber and Beatriz Gomez “su nieta.” On 11 Jul 1628, baptized was Madalena hija de la Yglesia, her madrina was Beatriz Gomez “nieta de Marta Sanchez.”

I don’t know who Juan de Malaber was, but Marta Sanchez was married to Juan Sanchez de Lara. Could this possibly be the same Beatriz Gomez aka Beatriz Sanchez etc?

Hope you’re all well!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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I descend from Francisco Quesada and Catalina de Los Angeles (aka Catalina de Alvarado). I was wondering whether Luisa Quesada y Mendoza has been connected to this family.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Link between Baltasar and Gabriel

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Hi, I´m new over here and even though I have already read a lot of the posts in this forum I didn´t read all.
So, does anybody notice that in the baptisma-chistening certificate (I really don´t know the english name)of GASPAR DE AVALOS (Lagos 6 july 1636), son of Baltazar de Avalos and Juana de Aldana, the godmother was Isabel de Avalos, daugther of Gabriel de Avalos.

Although, this document doesn´t prove they were brothers, it definitely proves that a link between them existed.

Cheers. Daniel.
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Hola, soy nuevo por acá y aunque ya leí una gran cantidad de publicaciones de este foro no logré leerlas todas.
Así que les pregunto. ¿Alguien ya se había percatado que en la Fe de bautismo de GASPAR DE ÁVALOS (lagos, 6 de julio 1636), hijo de Baltazar de Ávalos y Juana de Aldana, la madrina fue Isabel de Ávalos, la hija de Gabriel de Ávalos?

Aunque esto no prueba el parentesco entre ellos, sin duda si demuestra una relación de algún tipo entre ellos.

Saludos, Daniel.

Link between Baltasar and Gabriel

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Hi Rick,

Thanks, and great story, about your ancestor, Güera! If it were a movie, Maria Felix would play the lead…

Hola Daniel,

Sí, ya se mencionó el contacto entre Baltasar de Avalos e Isabel de Avalos, pero le agradecemos su contribución a la conversación. Los detalles son importantes!

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Balthazar D'Avalos Villaseñor

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Baltazar D'Avalos Villaseñor y Espexo was baptized on 22/Jan/1653, in León, "hijo de Don Gonzalo de Avalos Villaseñor y Juana de Espejo".

This Balthazar was married to Maria Ruiz de Velasco in abt. 1679 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci

Nicolas de Avalos Villaseñor cc Ynes Macias Ortega

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Hola prim@s,

Here's the marriage record for Nicolas de Avalos Villaseñor cc Ynes Macias Ortega, 21 Aug 1651, Sagrario, Zamora, Mich:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5T9Y-YH?mode=g&i=21&wc=3NY…

I just noticed that there were some posts that were directed to me, and that I had missed - my apologies, I'll try to respond to them, when I can.

I also have an update on Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada, which I'll be posting soon - stay tuned!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

GASPAR DE AVALOS - Update

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We last saw Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada in March 1657, living on their rancho, called "El Ojo de Muerte," near Valle de Armadillo, SLP. Their sons, Nicolas Garcia and Gaspar Garcia, along with cousins, Juan and Geronimo Aparisio de Avalos Orozco, plus another accomplice, had just been tried and executed for murder & robbery. After their deaths, the condemned were decapitated and quartered, their heads placed on poles on the 4 roads leaving San Luis, and their bodies, gibbeted where the murders took place. Within days, the heads of Juan and Aparisio de Avalos had disappeared from their poles, and authorities had gone to the rancho of Gaspar de Avalos, searching for them. Gaspar and his sons were gone, and only the women remained. And that's where we left off.

Cut to 3 years later: it's 4 Feb, 1660, and Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada are now residents of Huaniqueo, Michoacan, where they had been living for well over a year (since 1658). Alonso Rodriguez de Montemayor, of Pachuca, has petitioned to marry their daughter, Luisa de Avalos y Quezada (confirmed 22 May 1624, Sta Maria de Lagos), but there's an impediment (my heart jumped...): Alonso Rodriguez has had a previous relationship with a cousin of Luisa's, requiring a dispensation for 2o con 3o de amistad ilicita (!!GOOOOL!!).

Now, as I was reading this document, I was super impressed with the amount of information given by the notary - on the testigos, in particular: not just their castas and ages, but also, in some cases, their occupations, or who they're married to (Ysabel de Liebana Española de 50a, casada con Juan de Torres, vnos de Huaniqueo). And then, for the number of testigos, of which there are several, including a couple of surprises. I just hoped that the dispensation gives us something new, like Gaspar's parents' names, or perhaps confirming a link to Gabriel & Sebastian de Avalos, or to Baltasar & Juana de Avalos? Or a new branch, altogether?

Well, it appears to be the latter:

“dixo conosse a dho alonzo hernandes de montemayor dos messes y a luissa de abalos desde que nasio que es su hija lexitima y que cotidianamente hastado de baxo su obediencia y amparo como donssella birtuosa y que pueden contraer el matrimonio que an tratado y conossio a juo de abalos su herno lixitimo [hermano legitimo] que mataron en este puo [pueblo, i.e. Huaniqueo] y conossio a bartolome de abalos hijo bastardo de dho Juan de abalos el qual tubo una hija llamada maria con quien dho alonso hernandes dissen tubo amistad ylicita la qual fue sobrina de dha luisa de abalos su hija porque dho bartolome de abalos fue Primo de dha su hija y la hija de dho bartolome de abalos es sobrina de dha luissa de abalos su hija y que todo lo referrido lo bido y passo como esta dho y es la berdad … “ - Declaracion del padre de la contrayente, Gaspar de Abalos, edad de 60a, lo firmo con el sr cura, 22 feb 1660 (Image 079).

Yup. Gaspar de Abalos himself. Giving an account of a brother named Juan de Avalos, whom "they had killed in Huaniqueo" (years before, according to another testigo), and who had a bastard son named Bartolome de Avalos (Mestizo), who had a daughter named Maria de Avalos, with whom Alonso Rodriguez had relations. All of the witnesses give the same account, but there are some additional snippets of info:

- Testigo Juan de Yepes Esp 50 says Juan de Avalos Difunto was married to his aunt.
- Testigo Juan Sidbensiz (or Juan Bensisio - anyone?), Esp age 24, says he's a cuñado de Luisa de Avalos, who is sister of his wife. The only daughter of Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada that I don't have married, is Mariana de Avalos, who was baptized 04 Jul 1638, in Sagrario, SLP.
- Several of the testigos say they knew the Avalos from Lagos, with none mentioning Armadillo nor Sierra de Pinos. Of course they wouldn't!!!
- The biggest surprise (and the creepiest...), is testigo NICOLAS GARCIA, age 30, brother of the bride. But how can this be?? Nicolas Garcia de Avalos was hung, beheaded and quartered, 3 years before, in San Luis Potosi!!?? The only explanation: one of the younger siblings adopted his name, after his death. This family was all about aliases and shadows.

So, now we know that after the executions, Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada would have collected and buried the bodies of their sons, when the authorities allowed it. They were then likely forced to leave SLP, perhaps even forfeiting whatever property they owned. They still had 2 sons, under the age of 16, and 4 daughters, all of marrying age. Gaspar de Abalos & the OMG then headed south to Huaniqueo. We've seen them in Irapuato, Gto, but this is the first time we've placed anyone from this branch in old Michoacan. And now we know that he had a brother named Juan de Avalos, who lived & died there. This gets us that much closer to the Avalos/ Tobar/ Villasenor / Cervantes etc.

Additional notes:

- Daughter Andrea de Avalos still has to marry Roque Flores, on 02 May 1664, in Lagos. Women usually lived with their parents until married, though in her case, she was at least 40 years-old (most of their 8 daughters married rather late - well after 30). But it's possible that she still lived with her parents, and that Gaspar and Luisa returned to Lagos before 1664. Que vida mas loca!

- I've located 2 men named Bartolome de Avalos, one, who was Mestizo, living in Angamacutiro and married to Catalina Gutierrez Mulata Libre, and another, who was categorized as Morisco, and who married Melchora Juana India, 25 May 1659, in Indaparapeo. Since his daughter, Maria de Avalos, was said to have had her affair with Alonso Rodriguez in 1659, our Bartolome is likely the first. It's possible they're the same person, or perhaps father and son.

- Gaspar de Abalos signed his name, revealing that he had received an education, and that he had at least a middle-class upbringing.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

04 Feb 1660 IM de Luisa de Avalos y Quezada, con Alonso Rodriguez de Montemayor.
"México, Michoacán, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1555-1996," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KGSB-TB?cc=1883388&wc=3NTX… : 20 May 2014), Morelia > Arquidiócesis de Morelia > image 72 of 1421; parroquias Católicas, Michoacan (Catholic Church parishes, Michoacan).

OMG

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This new information only adds to the questions of this family but it sure is a read.
Thanks Manny for your the added information and story.

OMG

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This is really great stuff Manny. This family is never boring. I just wish
we could finally find out who the parents are especially because so many of
us, including me, descend from them. Also who do you think the 2nd Nicolas
really was?

Danny C. Alonso

Alonso Hernandez de Montemayor and Nicolas Garcia II

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Hola Prim@s,

I just noticed that I made an error: Luisa de Avalos y Quezada, daughter of Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada, was to marry Alonso HERNANDEZ de Montemayor, and not “RODRIGUEZ de Montemayor.” He was son of Diego Hernandez and Juana de Osorio. I was just excited about discovering a new branch, I suppose, and dear Alonso seemed incidental - which he wasn't!

Hi Danny,

It’s possible Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada named 2 of their sons, “Nicolas.” And it’s just as possible that one of their other sons adopted the name, after the first was killed. The only son I haven’t accounted for is Diego, who was baptized 1 May 1642, San Matias, Pinos.

OMG AND THE RETURN TO LAGOS

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned some documents that I found indexed at the website for Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco Juan Jose Arreola:

Archivo de la Real Audiencia Ramo Civil y Criminal: Ramo: Criminal
Año 1 1665/ Año 2 1667
Progresivo 2710, Caja 174, Exp 6
Nombre 2: DE AVALOS GASPAR, DE AVALOS JUAN, GARCIA NICOLAS, PEREZ JUAN
Lugar: LAGOS
Documentos referentes a las discrepancias entre los tribunales eclesiásticos y civiles, a causa de que el artículo de inmunidad de la iglesia no fuera respetado por el Teniente Provincial de la Hermandad de Lagos al sacar de la parroquia a Gaspar de Ávalos, Juan de Ávalos, García Nicolás y Juan Pérez, reos acusados de robo.

“Documents regarding the discrepancies between the ecclesiastical and the civil tribunals, because the article giving the Church immunity was not respected by the Teniente Provincial de la Hermandad of Lagos, when removing from the parish Gaspar de Avalos, Juan de Avalos, Nicolas Garcia and Juan Perez, inmates accused of robberies.”

When I first read that, I thought that the event spoken of happened decades before, since Nicolas Garcia was listed amongst those removed from the parish in 1665, and we know he died in 1657. But now, knowing that another son of Gaspar de Avalos used the same name, I think this happened in 1665. This makes sense, because Andrea de Avalos y Quezada married Roque Flores on 2 May 1664, and women usually lived with their parents, until they married.

So, some time between Feb 1660 and May 1664, the OMG returned to Lagos. And they apparently continued with their evil ways, even after what happened to their sons & cousins. Gaspar de Avalos was around 70, by this time, for crissake.

But more, as I reread the above description of the documents, I realize that I misread it, regarding the word "parroquia" which I misinterpreted as "parish," as in the "jurisdiction of a church." But in this case, it apparently means the "parish church," itself, where the Avalos had fled, seeking asylum. The Hermandad stormed the church, and arrested them, which is the violation spoken of.

You can't make this stuff up.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Alonso Hernandez de Montemayor and Nicolas Garcia II

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Dear Manny,

Congratulations on your findings. I am very appreciative of your work. The band of robbers ties in with the early history of the road being very dangerous between tepatitlan and San Juan de Los Lagos. Stories were made up that my ancestor was the head of the band because she became a bitter woman who always coverered her face after being attacked and her face scarred by a mountain lion. She had been described as a tall beauty, Güera, before the attack. After the attack she always wore a veil and avoided people. People later claimed that her son's inherited much because of what she robbed but she was rich from her parents leaving her a fortune. And she went from a young women who had everything, physical and facial beauty, intelligence, wit, and rich parents to boot, to a bitter woman who shied away from people and no longer the life of the party.

Thanks again,
Rick

JUAN BENSIS SID (CID)

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JUAN BENSIS SID (CID)

Avalos and Diaz

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I don't descend from the D'Avalos family lines that we are talking about, though I do descend from the Padilla D'Avalos.

I descend from the Villasenor and Diaz de Leon families. I found Chris's post on how the Avalos and Diaz de Leon were related. I also descend from Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta de Sotomayor.

Joseph Diaz de Leon (m. Antonia Delgadillo) was the son of Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta Martinez de Sotomayor. Chris has Jose Diaz de Leon's brother Antonio Diaz de Leon as an ancestor.

Rick A. Ricci

Avalos y Villasenor

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Manny,

thank you. i didnt see that. whats a predio rustco mean? who do you think is the parents of Baltasar de Abalos Tobar. i know you probly don't know officially but who fits best.

Danny C. Alonso

Avalos y Villasenor

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Manny,

i had another question. i know Gaspar and Alonso are brothers but have you linked these people to my ancestor Gabriel Avalos.

Danny C. Alonso

Avalos Villaseñor

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Rick, thanks for posting the information regarding the Villaseñor.

Manny, do you have the link to the dispensa for Nicolas Castañeda and Maria Gomez?

Chris

Relación entre las líneas Ávalos

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Hola a todos:

Sobre la relación entre las líneas de los Ávalos entre sí, probablemente éstas ya existían desde España, pues el apellido Ávalos constiuye una de las ramas de la casa, solar y divisa Ramírez de la Piscina, desde 1537 hasta ahora la rama Ávalos ha participado en la custodia de la divisa. Actualmente la tiene el Marqués de Legarda como sucesor de la casa de Ábalos.

Existe una relación geográfica puesto que la Iglesia de Santa María de la Piscina se encuentra próxima " a media legua" del poblado de Ábalos.

En el libro La Divisa, solar y Casa Real de la Piscina, de Jaime Salazar y Acha et al,(cuya muestra está en GoogleBooks) se puede leer en la página 14 se dice que en 1534 el Doctor Diego Ramírez de la Piscina, historiador de Navarra conocido como Diego Ramírez de Ávalos ganó el pleito contra los usurpadores de la Divisa ante la Real Chancillería de Valladolid.

Mi abuelo materno me informó que nuestra rama (Ramírez de Coy) proviene del tronco Ramírez de la Piscina al igual que los Cos, los Ávalos, los Ponce. Ésta información la he ido corroborando poco a poco, puesto que de la descendencia de los Ramírez de la Piscina hay varias versiones.

Saludos

Marcelina Macías

Re: Villaseñor and d' Avalos connections

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Hello Rick,

Thank you! This is all great info. From timelines and the combination of surnames, I'd say the Avalos OMG descend from one of the offspring of Diego de Villasenor Tobar and Geronima de Avalos.

MATHIAS GOMEZ DE SOTOMAYOR CC YSABEL RUIZ DE VILLASENOR

Re: Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, I descend from her second marriage, to the mysterious Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada. Ysabel and Francisco owned Guadalupe de Los Pozos, in Sierra de Pinos, which they came into possession of, around 1708. I don't know if her first husband, Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor, owned any property, he drops off the map around 1692.

LUIS DE AVALOS CC GERTRUDIS PONCE

I mentioned Luis de Avalos cc Gertrudis Ponce, 25 Feb 1645, San Matias, Pinos; I thought he might be a possible son of Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada, but he and Gertrudis Ponce were Mestizos. Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada did baptize Joseph de Avalos Quesada, 28 Dec 1625, San Matias, Pinos; his padrino was Gines Carrion, and he was confirmed on 24 Jan 1627, padrino Juan Gutierrez.

DIEGO DE AVALOS CC GERONIMA SALDANA

I found the 24 Mar 1666 IM for Nicolas Carrillo de Figueroa and Juana de Avalos; Juana de Avalos was said to be born in Sierra de Pinos, she was daughter of Diego de Avalos and Geronima Saldana. I don't know who this Diego de Avalos is, but from the location and timeline, he's either a son of Gaspar or Gabriel de Avalos: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KL94-K3?i=261&wc=3NT6-DP8

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

LOS CONDES DE MIRAVALLE

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Hola Marcelina y Rick,

With all of this talk of Davalos, Villaseñor, Orosco y Cervantes; I came upon this capellania regarding the Villalobos (Augustin Villalobos; Diego Villalobos Clerigo, nephew of Antonio Villalobos, others) img78:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KS9-HZ?i=77&wc=3NTL-N3D

What interested me (and what might interest you) is img152: Francisco Antonio Peredo, en nombre de Maria Magdalena Davalos Bracamonte Orosco y Cervantes, Viuda del Capitan Pedro Antonio Trebuesto(?) Cavallero, hija legitima del Conde Don Pedro Alonso Davalos Bracamonte, del Orden de Santiago, Conde de Miravalle cc Condesa Doña Francisca Antonia de Orosco y Cervantes (hija legitima de Manuel Orosco y Cervantes, hijo de Mariana de Villalobos). The date is 30 May 1740, I believe.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KS9-SL?i=151&wc=3NTL-N3D

I just thought I'd post this for your records, as there are a lot of relationships defined in this document, and perhaps it can be of use to you.

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Villaseñor and Villalobos connection

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Diego Villasenor-Tovar has a son named Francisco who marries Mariana Villalobos.

Francisco Villaseñor and Mariana Villalobos are the parents of Manuel Villasenor.

Manuel Villaseñor marries Teresa de Ribadeneira and they have a daughter named Francisca Antonia Villaseñor.

Francisca Villaseñor married Pedro Alonso D'Avalos Bracamonte

R.A. Ricci

Villasenor

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Mr. Ricci,

do you know which of these other Villasenors actually came to our area like Aguascalientes and Jalisco

Danny C. Alonso

Avalos and Gomez de Sotomayor land connection

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Dear manny,

I was so caught up in helping research the Avalos that I did not pay close attention to what may be the big clue. You wrote " Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor, who married first to Matias Gomez de Sotomayor". Did you descend from Mathias or from the second husband. When researching the Avalos I came across some property that the Avalos ancestors used to used to own. The property is said to have passed down many generations to the de Sotomayor family. I think it said Garcia de Sotomayor family so it might not be the same family.

Gaspar de Avalos, Alonso de

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I just pulled out my copy of "retonos" by Marian Gonzalez Leal.

I did not read it first because I did not want it to influence my research. I'm glad that I didn't. My research corroborates his theories. There were two separate Avalos families yet both of them left descendants in los altos de Jalisco. Both of the Avalos(D'Avalos ) families intermarried with many of the same families. I have posted examples of the two Avalos families marrying into the Villasenor family.

Mariano does not give these lines that I have posted. these lines complement his work and validate his theories.

However, even if in Mexico they are two distinct lines, they are very interconnected so I believe that further research in Spain would show that these two Avalos lines come from the same family. It would be a big surprise if they weren't the same family because it would be to big a coincidence with all that they have in common such as who they marry and what social circles they ran in. They ran together. At least the first generations in Nuva Galicia.
R.A.Ricci

Family stories

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Dear Manny,

I want to thank you again for seeking out and sharing these stories. The stories I hear about our ancestors give me a boost of energy to get back to doing more research. Even though I don't descend from the Avalos, that I know of, it was a true joy to hear the stories about the family. I am related through the Villasenor and Cervantes lines.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

Boccanegra connection to D'Avalos and Villaseñors

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There is another Villaseñor D'Avalos connection that also has a Boccanegra connection.

Alonso de Avalos Velasco married Maria Delgadillo. Their daughter, Maria D'Avalos Delgadillo (aka Verdugo) married Diego Boccanegra, son of Juan Gutierrez de Boccnegra and Guiomar de Villaseñor y Cervantes

Guiomar de Andrada is the daughter of Conquistador Juan de Villaseñor and Catalina Cervantes.

R.A. Ricci

Villaseñor and d' Avalos connections

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Here is another de Avalos connection to the Villaseñor.

Gonzalo de Villasenor married to Aldonza Avalos e Hijar.

Gonzalo de Villasenor y Zuñiga and Aldonsa Avalos are this same couple.

Gonzalo is the son of Juan de Villasenor Tovar y Orosco,(encomendero de Guango) and Catarina Corona

Juan de Villasenor Tovar y Orosco,(encomendero de Guango) Is the son of Conquistador de Nueva España Juan de Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco and Catarina Cervantes y Andrada

Conquistador de Nueva España Juan de Villaseñor-Tovar Orosco is the son of Diego de Burgos Villaseño and Isabel Orosco

Aldonza d' Avalos e Hijar is the daughter of Diego Lopez de Saavedra and Francisca Fernandez de Hijar

Diego Lopez de Saavedra is the son of Alonso D' Avalos Saavedra and Maria Delgadillo

Diego Lopez de Saavedra is the son of Diego Lopez de Saavedra and Maria Verdugo

Maria Delgadillo is the daughter of Francisco Delgadillo and Isabel de Avalos

Francisca Fernandez de Hijar is the daughter of Alfonso de Bracamonte and Beatriz de Fernandez de Hijar

Beatriz de Fernandez de Hijar is the daughter of Juan Fernandez de Hijar and Maria Carvajal

Juan Fernanadez de Hijar is the son of Diego Fernandez de Hijar

Alfonso de Bracamonte is the son of Alvaro Bracamonte and Beatriz Alvarado Bracamonte

Aldonsa De Abalos
Gender Female
Husband Gonsalo De Villasenor Y Suniga
Daughter Teresa Villasenor Abalos
Name Teresa Villasenor Abalos
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Aug 1654
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,ANGAMACUTIRO DE LA UNION,MICHOACAN,MEXICO
Father's Name Gonsalo De Villasenor Y Suniga
Mother's Name Aldonsa De Abalos
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NT4B-FY7 : 12 December 2014), Aldonsa De Abalos in entry for Teresa Villasenor Abalos, 12 Aug 1654; citing SAN FRANCISCO,ANGAMACUTIRO DE LA UNION,MICHOACAN,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 608,775.

R.A. Ricci

Villasenor

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Manny,

this is pretty exciting. I think from the names these people use they have to come from either Gonzalo de Villasenor and Aldonza de Avalos Hijar or Diego de Villasenor and Geronima de Avalos. I just made a second connection to the Avalos Villasenor family the day before July 4th, so I'm really excited by this news. i already come from Ysabel de Avalos, daughter of Gabriel de Avalos and Maria de Quesada. and then the other day i connected throug the Diaz de Leons to Juana de Avalos/Villasenor. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Villaseñor-17
i think it's the same person Cris was asking about earlier on the thread. i kinda thought the Gonsalo de Villasenor and Aldonza de Avalos hijar couple made sense cause a lot of them use Avalos and it seems that people use the most prestigious name and it doesnt seem like many families are more prestigious than the Villasenor family except maybe the Avalos de Hijar familiy. but, i'm really curious about any new information about these people.

Danny C. Alonso

Left out a generation when typing

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I took a look at the posts and realized that I had left out a generation.

Gonzalo Villaseñor y Zuniga is the son Gonzalo Villaseñor Cervantes and Maria Zuñiga

So the line should read:

Gonzalo de Villasenor married to Aldonza Avalos e Hijar.

Gonzalo de Villasenor y Zuñiga and Aldonsa Avalos are this same couple.

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Gonzalo Villaseñor y Zuniga is the son Gonzalo Villaseñor Cervantes and Maria Zuñiga

I do not have Maria Zuñiga's parents.

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