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Anselmo,

It turns out that we do have some common ancestors.

I am related to you through Fermin A. Apecechea’s first wife, Maria Gertrudis Justa Flores y Garcia, who is the mother of Manuel Apecechea.

I descend from a third cousin of Maria Gertrudis Justa Flores y Garcia. There are also other common ancestral lines.

1)- Licenciado- Doctor Ginés de Mercado m. Ines de Vasquez

2)- Conquistador - capitán don Ginés Vázquez de Mercado an Ana Vasquez de Tapia (daughter of Bernardino Vázquez de Tapia)

3)- Ana Vázquez del Mercado y Tapia and Mateo del Rio de la Losa

4)- María del Rio y Losa and Andrés García de la Cadena

5)- *******Felipe Garcia de la Cadena

*******Felipe de Jesus (#6) is listed as a descendant of María del Rio y Losa and Andrés García de la Cadena and the Felipe Garcia de Cadena that is married to Bernardina Tello de Orozco is listed as a son of Andres Garcia de la Cadena, so it is highly likely that the two Felipe’s are the same person and he has two marriages.

- Felipe de Jesús García de la Cadena m. María Josefa López de Vargas. (Felipe de Jesus and Maria Josefa also have a son named Felipe Garcia de la Cadena, and another son named Bernardo.

6)- Antonia Victoria García de la Cadena, b. 1732 m. 1752 Manuel Flores Correa b. 1729

7)-María Gertrudis Justa Flores Correa y García de la Cadena, b. 1753 in Pánuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. m. 1782 Fermin Antonio Apecechea b. 1751.

8)- Manuel José Antonio Tomas Apezechea Flores Correa, b.14June1786. And Francisca Murillo (Morillo) (not married)

9)- Matias Apecechea b. ca 1811 m. 8/March/1833 Isidora Ruelas (daughter of Jose Ruelas and Victoriana de Ledesma

10)- Santiago de Apecechea b. ca 1840, d. 6/April/1892.

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1)- Juan Martinez de Correa and Juana

2)- Juana Correa, m. 29 Aug 1708 m. 29 Aug 1708 Pedro Flores Bustos c. 17/July/1673 (son of Mathias Flores and Ana de Bustos)

3)- Manuel Flores Correa b. 1729 m.1752 Antonia Victoria García de la Cadena, b. 1732 (daughter of Felipe de Jesús García de la Cadena y doña María Josefa López de Vargas)

4)- María Gertrudis Justa Flores Correa y García de la Cadena, b. 1753 in Pánuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. m. 1782 Fermin Antonio Apecechea b. 1751.

5)- Manuel José Antonio Tomas Apezechea Flores Correa, b.14June1786. And Francisca Murillo (Morillo) (not married)

6)- Matias Apecechea b. ca 1811 m. 8/March/1833 Isidora Ruelas (daughter of Jose Ruelas and Victoriana de Ledesma

7)- Santiago de Apecechea b. ca 1840, d. 6/April/1892.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000

Dear Anselmo,

I am curious as to your descent from the Apecechea family. Do you descend from Julio Apecechea and Maximiana Tamayo? They had few children as they both passed away at a relatively young age. Julio Apecechea was only forty years old when he passed away and his record identifies him as a widower.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Fermin Antonio Apecechea returned to Spain in 1822. He passed away on 17/June/1834 in Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain. There is a street named after him, “Calle Fermin Antonio Apecechea” in Goizueta.

Fermin Antonio Apecechea returned to his beloved Spain. He was famous for many reasons, his work in mines, his government posts, the honors bestowed on him and his philanthropy for the provision of music education to children.

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea and Fermin Antonio Apecechea have a sister named “María Feliciana Romana Apecechea Flores Correa”.

María Feliciana Romana Apecechea Flores Correa is an ancestor of:

María del Rosario Jiménez Ruiz,VI Marquesa de Santa Rosa De Lima. She was born in 1989 in Madrid. Maria del Rosario was named after her maternal grandmother who was married to a “ Magistrado del Tribunal Supremo Español.” María del Rosario’s parents were first cousins, both of them descendants of Maria Feliciana Romana Apecechea Flores Correa.

I believe that Santiago Apecechea was born in Nayarit, and not in Zacatecas. His parents lived in Nayarit at the time of his birth. It is possible that his father may have been born in Zacatecas, The “Apecechea” had arrived from Spain the century before from Spain. The Apecechea first arrived in Mexico City in the 1700’s. From Mexico City, the family branched out to Guanajuato and other areas, like Nayarit.
Santiago Apecechea married almost immediately after his first wife’s death, which I found surprising.

Rick A. Ricci

The first wife of Matias Apecechea, Apolonia (Polonia) González, passed away on 14/Dec/1832 in Nayarit.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MK9M-7Q?i=181&cc=18833…

Rick A. Ricci

Matias Apecechea and Isidora Ruelas are the parents of Santiago Apecechea. Santiago was approximately 51 years old according to his death record in 6/Apr/1892.

Matias and Isidora were married on 8/March/1833. Matias was previously married to Polonia Gonzalez. Matias Apecechea is “hijo natural” de Francisca Murillo.

There was a VillaNueva in what is now “Los Altos de Jalisco.”

Ignacio Apecechea was originally from Goizueta, Navarrra España before he came to Nueva Galicia. It will be difficult, though not impossible, to connect Matias Apecechea to Ygnacio Apecechea because Matias was a “hijo natural.”. Ygnacio is most likely his grandfather or great grandfather.

Rick A. Ricci

Hello Anna,

I believe that I may have found Otilia Cedillo’s family. However, I need more information to verify that they are the same person. Was your Otilia Cedillo born in 1910? Do you have any other information that will help identify her?

Please add information on Otilia’s children so that I can compare the information with what I have found.

A key piece of information that will help identify which Otilia Cepeda is your great grandmother is to know the birthdate of your grandmother, Irene Jenny Aguilar Lopez.

Thanks, Rick A. Ricci

¿Será la misma persona el Gonzalo Fernández de Sevilla que testó el 26 de junio de 1515 y que era judío reconciliado? Su esposa era la Isabel Suárez (diferente a Constanza Diaz de Villalobos) y tenían por lo menos seis hijos: Beatriz Suárez*, Juan Fernández, Fernando Suárez, Leonor Suárez, Ines Suárez, y Luisa Fernández.

Fernández was given penance of 47,080 maravedis. Sometimes the Inquisition would give a financial penalty as penance, but the reconciled person could not count on the Inquisition accepting it. "Esto es lo que le debió de occurir al mercader Gonzalo Fernández, vecino de la colacion de San Bartolome. Harto ya de ser mareado con moratorias, Fernández presentó el 7 de abril de 1515 por medio de escribano a Villacís una carta misiva que el Consejo de la Inquisicion le habia dirigido al receptor, ordenandole que tomara al mercader 47.080 mrs. en cuenta de pago de su penitencia. Villacís se limitó a decir que respondería; parece que la carta tajante del Consejo no le daba ya resquicio para zafarse de considerar pagados los famosos 47.080 mrs., mas no hay que subestimar a Villacís, un zorro viejo que se las sabía todas."
He sent merchandise to Hispaniola consigned to Bernardo de Jerez, who at Gonzalo's death owed him certain monies.
Don Fernando de la Torre, dean and canon, was named tutor and caretaker of the children. A.P.S. VI 1516 [=3976].

Esta información la encontré en Los Conversos y la Inquisicion Sevillana, by Juan Gil, Universidad de Sevilla, 2001, vol 2, p 196; vol 3, p 512; vol 4, pp 65-66.

*Beatriz Suárez se casó con Beltrán de Cetina y Alcocer, y uno de sus hijos fue el poeta y soldado Gutierre de Cetina, nacido en 1519 en Sevilla y muerto en 1554 en Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz-Llave, Mexico.

I have not ever found a death record, comparable to a civil record. However, it is normal for there to be church records of "sepultura eclesiástica," which may or may not give any indication of the death date.

Not necessarily.

A complicating factor is that the death occurred during the period of the Crisero War, or La Cristiada, when the Church was severely persecuted. See the WikiPedia article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War

Interesante, no había leído el testamento que otorgo Luis

En nombre de Dios todo poderoso amen. Notorio sea por la presente como yo Don Luis de Porras y Villavicencio hijo legítimo de D. Ju. Núñez de Villavicencio y de Doña Magdalena de Porres y Baranda, ya difuntos, vecinos que fueron de esta ciudad de Guadalajara…

4. Ytt. Declaro que yo estoy gozando el mayorazgo que fundo Diego de Porres baranda mi abuelo, y habiendo casado de segundo matrimonio con Da. Francisca de Arellano y Zúñiga mujer que había sido de señor Don Gerónimo de Aldas y Hernández oidor de esta Rl. Audiencia, recibí con la susodicha nueve mil pesos pertenecientes a la tutela de don Gerónimo y don domingo de Aldas sus hijos menores y de dicho señor oidor y maestre mil pesos que yo le di de arras que unos y otros hicieron dos mil (ilegible)…

Saludos Erik,

Desafortunadamente, no conozco los padres de Clemente. Pero por casualidad estoy leyendo algunos de los protocolos de Guadalajara y encontré un arrendamiento de hacienda por parte de Luis de Porras Villavicencio a Clemente de Arellano. No creo que aclarará mucho, pero por si acaso te sea útil te lo paso:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-QS32-B?i=252&cat=…

Saludos,

Richard

Here is one Bernardo Garcia de Cadena. I don’t know if he is the same one that you are looking for. I doubt it as this one has a sister born in 1732.

6)- Felipe de Jesús García de la Cadena m. María Josefa López de Vargas

7)- Bernardo García de la Cadena

Rick A. Ricci

According to the Diccionario de la lengua española, in this context pardo and mulato are synonyms.

pardo, da

Del lat. pardus 'leopardo', por alus. a su color, y este del gr. πάρδος párdos.

5. adj. Ant., Arg., Ec., Hond., Méx., Perú, Ur. y Ven. p. us. mulato (‖ nacido de negro y blanca, o de blanco y negra). U. m. c. s.

I think the document does say her age, if I recall correctly. I believe she was in her early 30s at the time. It never says which Hernan Flores de la Torre is the father, so all we can safely assume is that Hernan Flores de la Torre and Ana de Sandi are grandparents or great grandparents. There's Hernan Flores de la Torre y Sandi and another Hernan Flores de la Torre who is the son of Luis Flores de la Torre y Sandi (I don't have the name of Luis' wife. I've seen a Maria Delgadillo but no sources.) I really wish people wouldn't add parents without sources. I know linking sources is time consuming, but at least put a note giving us a clue!

~ Andrea

PETRA BAÑUELOS POSADAS, de quien es hija? nace 30 abril 1792 en Guadalcazar SLP.
se casa 26 de junio 1816,en Guadalcazar, con: JOSE EDUARDO ELIZALDE GARCIA.

Out of curiousity have you come across the name Juana Banuelos B:(abt)1840 D:(abt)1890 in your research . She is the great grandmother of my father . Her parents were Simon Banuelos B:(abt)1810 and Agapita Garcia B:(1810). Another name in talk was a woman named Seferina Banuelos . Appreciate your time .

Son dos apellidos diferentes,
BAÑUELOS JUAN, de la jurisdicción del Monte de Escobedo, hijo legítimo de Dionisio Bañuelos y de Catalina de Lamas, difuntos. Casado por el Bachiller don Bartolomé Cervantes Negrete en Jimulco el 15 de noviembre de 1716 y velado el día 16 con Inés Muñoz, española, vecina de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hija legítima de Marcos Muñoz, difunto y de doña María de Olague. Padrinos: Juan de Miranda y Luisa Carrillo. Testigos: el Bachiller don Juan Antonio Rangel Presbítero, Clemente de Acula y Juan de Olague. Fojas: 69 vuelta –70.

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Re: <>

My last known Banuelos ancestor is Juan Banuelos, who was married to Maria Ignez Muñoz. Both date back to the late 1600's and early 1700's. According to your data, Juan's father was Dionisio Banuelos, whose name comes up repeatedly in my review of the church records from Mezquitic (Mesquitic) Jalisco. I suspect these are the same people. In reviewing the data from Mezquitic, it is clear that the Banuelos families had a huge number of offspring, so it is no wonder that there are a largne number of people who may be related to the Banuelos mentioned above.

I do have a couple of questions however. Can you give me further data on your information? That is, can you tell me where to look that would verify what Mr. Valdes and Mr. de la Torre have told you about Dionisio Banuelos, the last known Banuelos? I am familiar with Mr. de la Torre as a genealogist but would like a primary source, rather than a secondary oral one.

The second question, if not the more interesting one, is one relates to the wife of Dionisio Banuelos, i.e. Catalina de Lamas. Is the latter person's apellido Lamas or Llamas. In reviewing Ancestry.com the above mentioned Salvador Cabral Valdes has made mention of the Llamas, not Lamas, of Jerez Zacatecas, see http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.mexico.zacatecas/832.1.3/…. Again, are the Lamas the same as the Llamas?

I am not trying to be difficult but only trying to obtain more information and verify old.

Thank you,

Ed Serros

hola, quienes son los últimos ancestros que tienes investigados, porque estoy trabajando en la zona, no me pude meter en tu file..saludos Leticia Reynoso

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: jcdl1944@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:19:07 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] BANUELOS Family Tree
>
> Thanks to Salvador Cabral Valdes and his friend and source Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, I've been able to extend/update my BANUELOS Family Tree 2 more generations further back! You can view it in my FILE under
>
> Leon, Joseph de (Jerez, Zacatecas, Huejucar, Jalisco)
>
> Gracias a Salvador Cabral Valdes y a su amigo que dio la informacion Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, he podido extender mi Arbo BANUELOS 2 generaciones mas para atras. Pueden ver el arbol en mi FILE
>
> Leon, Joseph de (Jerez, Zacatecas, Huejucar, Jalisco)
>

It is a good exercise to take the "casts" with a grain of salt, this terms were, in real life very loosely used in colonial México, thus you will see for example that among siblings there could be different casts, or very often the word "mulato" for actual "meztiso" people. etc.

Although Moro refers originally to an African Muslim, in my personal point of view, I found that "morisco" was likely used to denote a child of darker skin color but not dark enough to be a "mulato" probably similar to what we call today "trigueño", this regardless of the actual ethical background.

The following might help.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/castas

Literal transcript without abbreviations plus capital letters. In case you need the other little details besides what Mr. Ricci has mentioned.

Not sure if the brides mother's last name is "peres" or "lares". probably the former.

Blas Madera mestiso originario de Minillas y vesino de esta pheligrecia veinte años a, y viudo de Teresa de Avila cuyo cuerpo se sepulto en esta yglecia tres años a, hijo legitimo de Joseph Madera y de Josepha Velasques, Paresco ante vuestra majestad como mejor aya lugar en dicho. y digo que por quanto tengo ajuntado mi casamiento con Maria Lorensa española de los Sauses y vesina desta pheligrecia seis años a, hija legitima de Sevastian Magaianes y Ephigenia Peres? para poder contraer dicho matrimonio....

This is a marriage record For Blas Madera and María Lorenza. It says that he is a widower and that his parents are Joseph Madera and Josepha Velasquez. It seems that they initially forgot to name the parents of Maria Lorenza (Magdalena or Magallanes)

Rick A. Ricci

Me acaban de muy compartir la dispensa matrimonial de Prudencio de la Torre y Maria Rafaela de Miranda. Por lo que me dice la persona que muy generosamente me la pasó, es una hoja suelta de 1706 del archivo de Jerez. En ella, vienen varios troncos de la pareja de Juan de la Torre (alias del Campo) y Angela de Velasco (Rentería y Mojica). Como creo que merece un post aparte, solo escribiré aquí que dice que los papás de Manuel de la Torre eran Juan de la Torre (hijo de Juan y Angela) y Agueda del Rio! (será la misma Agueda del Rio y Olague que se casó con Pedro Chavez de Bañuelos?)

Para más detalles de la dispensa, por favor consultar el post que dedicaré a Juan de la Torre (alias del Campo) y Angela de Velasco Rentería y Mojica.

Sanchez-Castellanos

Revisando mis apuntes la esposa de Joseph Sánchez-Castellanos Haro fue según su boda Josepha Chavez Ruiz de Soto (AKA Josepha Chavez y Bañuelos), posiblemente fue hija del Capitan Juan Chavez y Bañuelos y de Isabel Ruiz de Soto, al parecer descendiente de Cristóbal de Oñate según pagina de Salvador Cabral.

Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Description: Bautizado en Jerez el 15 de mayo de 1686. Padrinos: don José
Sánchez Castellanos de Haro y doña Josefa de Chávez Ruíz de Soto, casados el
11 de junio de 1675. Archivo de la parroquia La Inmaculada de Jerez, Zac.

Don Joseph Castellanos de Haro fue hijo de Juan Sanchez Castellanos y Thomasina de Haro (de Saucedo) prima hermana de Hernando de Haro. Fue Capitan y padre de Antonio Sanchez Castellanos que fue regidor en Jerez, hombres muy ricos.

Don Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos de Haro y Juana Maria Bañuelos crearon su desendencia en Monte Escobedo, sus hijos Sebastian, Vicente, Juan, Florencio, etc.

En la hacienda de Santa Teresa,Monte Escobedo aparece Maria Rosa Sanchez Castellanos casada con Antonio de Escobedo y que al parecer fue hija de Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos (aun se estan buscando pruebas).

La esposa de Dn Joseph Sanchez Castellanos aparece en una dispensa de la boda de su hija Thomasa en 1727 como Josepha Chavez y Bañuelos.

at the bottom of the message is an email address (repository@u.library.arizona.edu) ask your question there and send a message to the group with their answer please

I had significant grandparents born and another pair married in 1793 in Zacatecas. I was able to find a 1793 piece of 8 that was minted in Zacatecas. I find it interesting to hold in my hand something that my ancestors might have held in their hands and used in exchange for goods.

Joseph

The 8 reales coin was referred to as a “piece of 8” because it was divided into 8 parts, or bits. The coins were 1, 2, 4, and of course 8 reales. These coins also circulated widely in Colonial American, and around the world. The two reales coin was equivalent to 25¢, hence the term 2 bits. 50¢ was 4 reales, or 4 bits.

I personally would not object to someone hundreds/thousands of years from now performing DNA tests on my bones (well sorry but I plan on being cremated). Just saying that it would be so interesting to me if I could find an ancestors tomb and be able to perfom a DNA test on them and compare it to my DNA test. So if you find projects or initiatives that are taking this approach please email me as I'd be interested in their results Joseph Puentes makas@nc.rr.com

If someone applies to the group and they are researching Nayarit and/or Colima I accept them into the group. If someone even suspects their roots might come from Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit and/or Colima I accept them into the group as long as they focus on our area of research. Having said that I don't interfere with the discussion unless I see it is causing a problem.

Many good points have been made regarding how jurisdictions changed over time. One other point I'd like to make is that we sometimes underestimate/forget how mobile our ancestors really were. I have found many a family that stayed for generations in one single place while other families frequently settled in one place than later migrated to another place within the same or subsequent generations. In my case, had I just focused my genealogical research to just Jalisco records, I would have missed out on the true origins of some of my ancestors who migrated from Spain -> Michoacan -> Jalisco, etc.

The founder of this group decided that NR should focus on only these 3 states for the site. It has been this way from the beginning, to keep the attention focused on the genealogical interests of this area. Unless he decides to change his mind, we will stay focused. There are other areas of Mexico/New Spain that have special genealogy groups for them, so one could go there or start another site, I suppose.