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Marriage between Santiago Barbosa and Lorensa de Aguilar

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Hi, I was looking at the Cocula, Jalisco Marriages from 1740-1758, and I can't seem to find the marriage act of my ancestors Santiago Barbosa (stylized as Sntiago.) and Lorensa de Aguilar, who married

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The Barbosa of Cocula

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Hi Valente:

I also descend from the Barbosa family of Cocula. I don't know if all Barbosa of Cocula were relatives but my farthest ancestors I've found is Clemente Barbosa, married with Brígida Núñez, they might have married before May 1743, when the oldest child that I've found from them was baptized in Cocula. I searched in a good range of years before that date, the information of their marriage, but I couldn't find it. I have the custom of writing down possible relatives with the same family name registered in the same church but I don't have your ancestors' names in my notes but continue searching, maybe I missed that couple marriage or possibly they were married after the date I began my search that was May 1743.

Regards
Salvador Agraz

The Barbosa of Cocula

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Hello Salvador, the farthest I've gotten with my Barbosa ancestors are Antonio Barbosa and Teresa de Ruelas. They probably married prior to 1734, before having my ancestor Santiago Barbosa on July 1735. There could be a possible connection within these two lineages, I will be checking on that.

Thanks,
Valente.

Some Videos of Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico

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I fell in love with our colonial past of our area. And I want to post videos of Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isbEs8cZBrE&feature=related

Término "con voz de español" y "mulato"

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Buenas tardes:

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Término "con voz de

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Qué tal,

La condición de la madre era heredada por sus hijos; es decir, si una mulata esclava procreaba un hijo, aunque fuera con un español, éste sería esclavo del mismo amo de la madre, ya que ella era considerada su "propiedad". Incluso, para el matrimonio necesitaba de la autorización del amo.

La única forma de conseguir la libertad era por la voluntad del amo; encontrarás en testamentos de la época que muchas personas incluían en su última voluntad, otorgarle la libertad a algún esclavo que estuvo en su servicio por mucho tiempo, o al cual tienen algún tipo de aprecio. La libertad de la madre no daba la libertad a los hijos, cuando éstos también nacieron esclavos; era necesario otorgarla por cada uno.

Saludos!
Alejandro

Término "mulato" y "con voz de español"

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Hola a todos:

Muchas gracias por sus comentarios, aprecio su opinión acerca del tema. En el caso de mulato, como dicen algunos de ustedes, la manera de clasificar a la población en castas no era muy precisa, por lo que cuando ya pasaban más de 2 generaciones de mestizaje, solían basarse mas bien en el físico de la persona que en el de su verdadero origen.
Mi ascendencia mulata me viene por mi tatarabuela María del Rosario Aranda, aún siendo una señora de tez blanca y ojos claros, gracias al estudio genealógico pude darme cuenta de sus origenes raciales. Una de sus bisabuelas María Antonia Benita Villegas Rodríguez, está asentada como española en su acta de bautismo.Si bien, por la rama paterna desciende completamente de españoles, pero su madre Juana María Sixta Rodríguez Ruelas, está como asentada como mestiza, en su acta de matrimonio. Pero resulta ser que cuando se casan los padres de Juana María, su papá está asentado como coyote y su mamá como tresalva. Los abuelos paternos cuando se casan, uno viene asentado como mulato libre y la abuela como loba. Los abuelos maternos José María Ruelas García, viene asentado como mestizo, pero en realidad sería el perfecto mulato ya que su papá Domingo Ruelas Arreola, era español y su mamá Juana María García González, era una mulata libre.
¿Alguien de ustedes sabe como se ganaba la condición de ser libre para un mulato?

Por lo de "voz de español", concuerdo con la idea que debió haber sido que la gente criolla o española debió haber tenido en aquel tiempo aún la pronunciación de la península ibérica, pero en el caso en que se incluía ese término en una acta eclesiástica era quizá por el hecho de que tal persona "parecía" o tenía apariencia de español pero no había manera de comprobarlo.

Saludos
Enrique Salvador Agraz.

Término "con voz de español" y "mulato"

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Hola Salvador, en la acta matrimonial de mi ancestro mulato Gerardo Tapia, se le puso como "mulato". Pero cuando revise el acta matrimonial de sus padres José Antonio Plácido Rodríguez Montelongo y María Mauricia Tapia del 1793 tambien se les pusieron como "mulatos". Puede ser que "mulato" significaba 'negro puro' o como 'negro mezclado con blanca'. No he encontrado gente como "negro" todavia.

Lo de "con voz de español" pienzo que significa alguien con acento de español. Como los españoles hablan con el "sh" en muchas palabras. Los curas pudieron no se saber como poner cual raza, pero se les puso con eso porque tal vez eran de ascendencia española o tambien mestiza o castiza.

Y como los ancestros de Gloria, a los mulatos se les pusieron los apellidos de los amos.

A. de Castro

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Gloria Casillas
Mis ancestros por linea materna ( Osegueda ) los encontre en su acta de matrimonio como mulatos libres a los dos contrayentes, y a los papas de la novia, aparecia el padre como mulato esclavo, la hacienda y quien era su dueña.Se les adjudicaba el apellido de los amos?. porque en el caso de mi Ancestro Antonio Lorenzo Gomez Cruz, su ama se llamaba Catharina Gomez https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Término "con voz de español" y "mulato"

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Enrique,

Que no es que la persona "habla espanol"? En ingles se dice "spanish-speaking", que su idioma es espanol. Solamente mis dos centavos.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:02:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Término "con voz de español" y "mulato"
>
> Buenas tardes:
>
> Tengo duda acerca de un nuevo término que he encontrado en registros de diversos ancestros que es el de "con voz de español", por ejemplo Julián de Escoto y Tovar, español, originario de San Juan se casa con María Petra de Ávalos, con voz de española, originaria del mismo lugar ¿Este término tiene un signficado literal como que hablaba tal como un español peninsular o quiere decir algo más?
>
> Y otra duda, en teoría el significado de "mulato" sería la persona quién es mitad español y mitad negro. Pero he podido darme cuenta que en la práctica no diferenciaban al que en verdad era producto de esta mezcla y a quién era enteramente de raza negra ¿Hay alguna manera de saber cuando alguien está asentado como mulato si tenía mitad de sangre europea?
>
>

Término "con voz de

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Qué tal Salvador,

El tema de las castas es muy complejo, porque variaba mucho en cada Parroquia. Así que es frecuente, por ejemplo, encontrarte hijos de una pareja de "españoles", que a veces son nombrados mestizos, o incluso mulatos. Otras veces, una persona identificada como indio, luego es llamado mestizo o coyote.

En el caso de los descendientes de africanos, no estoy completamente seguro, pero creo que cuando éstos eran libres, en la mayor parte de los casos eran nombrados mulatos. En lo personal he visto contadísimos casos de "negros libres".

No se sabe a ciencia cierta cuál era la forma de identificar la casta de cada persona a la hora de realizar un registro parroquial; si cada uno sabía el grupo étnico que se le otorgaba, o si éste era asignado por el sacerdote o el escribano. Incluso he escuchado que tenían los retratos de las castas y le asignaban la suya a la persona dependiendo de los rasgos y el tono de piel.
Aquí entra a la interrogante los muchos "hijos de la Iglesia" o hijos "expuestos", de padres no conocidos, pero son bautizados con una casta.

En el caso de "con voz de española" no puedo decirte más porque nunca me he topado con ese caso.

Sin duda las castas pueden ayudarnos como pistas para trazar líneas entre tantas familias con el mismo apellido. Sin embargo, hay que ser cautelosos y no confiar plenamente en ellos, principalmente cuando hablamos de castas interraciales, fácilmente confundibles e intercambiables.

Saludos,
Alejandro

Término "con voz de

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Yo me inclino mas la idea de que ponían la casta según el físico.

Saludos,

El 15 de julio de 2011 16:30, escribió:

> Qué tal Salvador,
>
> El tema de las castas es muy complejo, porque variaba mucho en cada
> Parroquia. Así que es frecuente, por ejemplo, encontrarte hijos de una
> pareja de "españoles", que a veces son nombrados mestizos, o incluso
> mulatos. Otras veces, una persona identificada como indio, luego es llamado
> mestizo o coyote.
> En el caso de los descendientes de africanos, no estoy completamente
> seguro, pero creo que cuando éstos eran libres, en la mayor parte de los
> casos eran nombrados mulatos. En lo personal he visto contadísimos casos de
> "negros libres".
>
> No se sabe a ciencia cierta cuál era la forma de identificar la casta de
> cada persona a la hora de realizar un registro parroquial; si cada uno sabía
> el grupo étnico que se le otorgaba, o si éste era asignado por el sacerdote
> o el escribano. Incluso he escuchado que tenían los retratos de las castas y
> le asignaban la suya a la persona dependiendo de los rasgos y el tono de
> piel. Aquí entra a la interrogante los muchos "hijos de la Iglesia" o hijos
> "expuestos", de padres no conocidos, pero son bautizados con una casta.
>
> En el caso de "con voz de española" no puedo decirte más porque nunca me he
> topado con ese caso.
>
> Sin duda las castas pueden ayudarnos como pistas para trazar líneas entre
> tantas familias con el mismo apellido. Sin embargo, hay que ser cautelosos y
> no confiar plenamente en ellos, principalmente cuando hablamos de castas
> interraciales, fácilmente confundibles e intercambiables.
>
> Saludos,
> Alejandro

Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras con Martin del Campo

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Gloria Casillas
Buenas tardes, necesito ayuda de expertos en genealogia, estoy buscando un matrimonio de Felipe Sanchez de Porras con Maria Michaela Martin del Campo,los hijos que encontre son

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Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras con Martin del Campo

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Hola Gloria,

Revisé las partidas de bautismo para ver si hay pistas. Dos de esas personas
se mencionan haber nacido en El Atascadero. Eso es una pista porque a veces
ciertas familias se quedan en la hacienda o el rancho de sus ancestros.
Deberías investigar mas sobre ese lugar. Otra cosa que nos puede ayudar
encontrar a tus antepasados son los padrinos de los bautismos.

La madrina de Ana Josepha Ygnacia es Polonia Martín del Campo. Ese es un
nombre poco común y me puse a buscarla. Resulta que fue hija de Lázaro
Martín del Campo y López de La Cruz y Catalina Ramírez de Hermosillo y Muñoz
de la Barba que casó con Manuel Sánchez de Porras Álvarez de Luna el 8 de
mayo 1719 en Jalos. Según están mencionados en el libro de La Sagrada Mitra
de Luz Montejano Hilton. Encontré a esta familia gracias a varios árboles de
Geneanet uno de cuales es de Javier Sanchiz Ruiz y podrás ver sus hermanos y
ancestros en su página.
http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=apolonia;n=marti…

Como mencionaste en otro mensaje, estoy de acuerdo que existe una gran
posibilidad que (A)Polonia Martín del Campo y Manuel Sanchez de Porras son
los padres del Felipe Sanchez de Porras que buscas y que (A)Polonia es la
abuela y a la vez la madrina del bautizo de Ana Josepha Ygnacia.

Los padrinos de Juan Ignacio Antonia fueron Juan Martín y Gertrudis Leonor
Mora. Una hija de esta pareja se llamaba María Ignacia Martín del Campo y
nació alrededor de 1733 y hay una dispensa el 6 Jun 1763 para que se casaran
ella y Joseph Miguel de Alderete, 33a, nat y vec de Cuquio en el puesto
Tateposco hijo de Juan Joseph de Alderete y María Teresa de Esteves y
Guzman. La dispensa según se encuentra en el microfilm 168033 Esta María
Ignacia Martín del Campo ha de ser la madrina de Ana Josepha Ygnacia
bautizada el 09 de Abril de 1769.

No tengo idea quienes son los dos padrinos que no identifiqué que son
Santiago ¿Perenaute? y Joseph González.

Recomiendo que estudies las familias ante-mencionadas para que ver si sale
alguna otra pista sobre Felipe Sanchez de Porras con Maria Michaela Martin
del Campo.

Un saludo cordial,
Armando

2011/7/11

> Gloria Casillas
> Buenas tardes, necesito ayuda de expertos en genealogia, estoy buscando un
> matrimonio de Felipe Sanchez de Porras con Maria Michaela Martin del
> Campo,los hijos que encontre son 05 de abril de 1768, nació Jose Ygnacio
> Antonio.Bautizado el 13 de Abril de 1768 en la parroquia de San Felipe
> Cuquio, Jalisco.https://www.**familysearch.org/search/image/**
> show#uri=https%3A//api.**familysearch.org/records/pal%**
> 3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004722603.**004722603_00472
>
> 30 de marzo de 1769, nació Ana Josepha Ygnacia.Bautizada el 09 de Abril
> de 1769, en la Parroquia de San Felipe, Cuquio.https://www.**
> familysearch.org/search/image/**show#uri=https%3A//api.**
> familysearch.org/records/pal%**3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004722603.**
> 004722603_00518
>
> 02 de junio de 1774, nació Maria Ygnacia.bautizada el 14 de Junio de 1774
> en la Parroquia de San Felipe, Cuquio,https://www.**
> familysearch.org/search/image/**show#uri=https%3A//api.**
> familysearch.org/records/pal%**3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004031202.**
> 004031202_00090
>
> De los cuales Jose Ygnacio antonio es mi ancestro. Les agradezco de
> antemano cualquier pista que me puedan proporcionar. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras con Martin del Campo

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Gloria Casillas
Armando, muchas gracias por tan valiosa informacion, tambien encontre informacion de los padrinos de Jose Ygnacio Antonio, Juan Martin del Campo y Jertrudis Leonor De la Mora Hurtado casados en 1732 en San Felipe Cuquio ( no encontre dia ni mes), pero voy a buscar en el libro a ver si los encuentro.Los padres son Ydelfonzo Martin del Campo y Lorenza Romo de Vibar y de la Novia Fernando de la Mora y Michaela de Aldrete.con todos estos datos voy a poder seguir con m investigacion =)

Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras con Martin del Campo

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Gloria Casillas
Revise la pagina que me pasaste, si mi ancestro desciende de ellos, este arbol genealogico me sera muy util, graciaaas =)

Matrimonio Sanchez de

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Hola Gloria,

Gracias por darme el dato de ese matrimonio. No lo había encontrado y Javier
Sanchiz tampoco lo tenia. Lo que si tiene son algunos hijos y los ancestros
de Fernando de la Mora y Michaela de Aldrete en
http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=fernando;n=mora+…
los de Ydelfonzo Martin del Campo y Lorenza Romo de Vibar
http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&p=ildefonso&n=martin+del+c…

Es muy probable que Juan Martín del Campo y Jertrudis Leonor de la Mora
Hurtado son los padres de Maria Michaela Martin del Campo.

Con todos esos datos parece que Felipe Santiago Sánchez de Porras y María
Ignacia Martin del Campo eran parientes de segundo grado con cuarto grado
por el lado Martín del Campo que debería haber causado la petición de una
dispensa que puede estar entre los matrimonios de Guadalajara en
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Saludos,
Armando

2011/7/13

> Gloria Casillas
> Armando, muchas gracias por tan valiosa informacion, tambien encontre
> informacion de los padrinos de Jose Ygnacio Antonio, Juan Martin del Campo y
> Jertrudis Leonor De la Mora Hurtado casados en 1732 en San Felipe Cuquio (
> no encontre dia ni mes), pero voy a buscar en el libro a ver si los
> encuentro. Los padres son Ydelfonzo Martin del Campo y Lorenza Romo de Vibar
> y de la Novia Fernando de la Mora y Michaela de Aldrete.con todos estos
> datos voy a poder seguir con m investigacion =)

Matrimonio Sanchez de

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Gloria Casillas
Armando esta es la pagina donde encontre el matrimonio de Juan Martin del Campo y Jertrudis Leonor y tambien ahi encontre la fecha de bautismo de ella
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#searchType=close&…
el matrimonio se encuentra en el indexing project (batch)number M60467-3, source film number 617581, San Felipe Cuquio
y la fe de bautismo de Jertrudis en indexing project (batch)number K60270-1, source film 615009, San Felipe Cuquio, 07 Apr 1712.

muchas gracias por la pagina , voy a buscar la dispensa de Santiago Sanchez de Porras y Michaela =)

Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras

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Gloria Casillas
Encontre a un Phelipe Santiago Sanchez de Porras, Bautizado el 11 de mayo de 1730 en San Felipe Cuquio, hijo de Manuel Sanchez de Porras y Apolonia Martin, pero no se si es mi ancestro. Busque en los matrimonios de Cuquio de 1762 a 1795 y no encontre a Don Felipe

Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras

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Hola Gloria y Armando,

Estoy de acuerdo con la pista que proporcionó Armando acerca de tomar en
cuenta el lugar donde nacieron los hijos. Resulta que Manuel Sanchez de
Porras y Apolonia (Polonia) Martin del Campo son mis ancestros. Manuel
Sanchez de Porras fallecio el 15 Aug 1755 en el Puesto del Atascadero. Una
hija de esta pareja llamada Sebastiana Apolonia, que es mi 6ta tatarabuela,
nació en el Puesto del Atascadero entre 1726 a 1735. Esta familia parece
estar establicida en dicho Puesto, ya que de acuerdo a mis datos tengo a
hijos, nietos y bisnietos todos nacidos en el mismo lugar.

Saludos,

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:21:28 -0500
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matrimonio Sanchez de
> Message-ID:
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hola Gloria,
>
> Gracias por darme el dato de ese matrimonio. No lo hab?a encontrado y
> Javier
> Sanchiz tampoco lo tenia. Lo que si tiene son algunos hijos y los ancestros
> de Fernando de la Mora y Michaela de Aldrete en
>
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=fernando;n=mora+…
> los de Ydelfonzo Martin del Campo y Lorenza Romo de Vibar
>
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&p=ildefonso&n=martin+del+c…
>
> Es muy probable que Juan Mart?n del Campo y Jertrudis Leonor de la Mora
> Hurtado son los padres de Maria Michaela Martin del Campo.
>
> Con todos esos datos parece que Felipe Santiago S?nchez de Porras y Mar?a
> Ignacia Martin del Campo eran parientes de segundo grado con cuarto grado
> por el lado Mart?n del Campo que deber?a haber causado la petici?n de una
> dispensa que puede estar entre los matrimonios de Guadalajara en
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>

Matrimonio Sanchez de Porras

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Gloria Casillas
aaah,Maria Cortez,entonces es casi probable que seamos parientes lejanas, aun busco el matrimonio de Santiago de Porras y Michaela Martin del Campo, con la pista que me dio Armando, pero en las dispensas es mas dificil la busqueda, porque la letra esta muy fea, pero espero poco a poco dar con ellos. Pero es casi seguro que descienden de esta linea =)

Mendez in Tamazula and Michoacan

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Daniel since we are reseaching the Mendez lines have you found anything to link this Mendez family in Tamazula from Michocan to our line of Mendez in Tamazula from Michoacan?

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Mendez in Tamazula and Michoacan

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Hi Linda,

I have noticed all the Mendez from Tamazula, Ciudad Guzman and surrounding areas come from the Mendez
de Torres in Zamora, Michoacan. Some years ago I learned south eastern Jalisco was part of the Obispado
de Michoacan. As for this family I do remember seeing them in the records put did not jot them down,
I was after our direct line, which I successfully did with the help of a cousin in Mexico City, yourself, Mariano Gonzalez-Leal
and scrolling through lots of mircrofilm. There were two Mendez families in Michoacan, Mendez de Torres
and Mendez de Guzman. For the most part sites like Valle de Santiago, Leon, Guanajuato, Peruandiro,
Zamora, Tlazazalca, Jacona, Morelia were heavy populated with Mendez de Torres. I plan to finish extracting
the spanish from Tlazazalca and Zamora soon. The project was from the 1600s to the independence.

I remember when I visited my grandfather Martin in Mexico he had told us that the Mendez came over the
Sierra from Zamora, Michoacan and that they were Portuguese. This was true as I soon discovered.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Familysearch Guanajuato, Querétaro. SLP, Veracruz

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They just updated or added records for the states of Guanajuato, Querétaro, San Luis Potosí and Veracruz in Familysearch.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927078

1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007

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Hi all. I went through the entire film of found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

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1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007

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Wonderful. I think if everyone took one of the films and did something
similar it would be a great help to many fellow researchers. You could
make it a one year project. Just take your time and a year from now turn
in your notes on what names are on what films for the Guadalajara
Dispensas.

Thanks Claudia for doing this. You set a fine example.

joseph

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claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all. I went through the entire film of found here:
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
>
> Below are my quick and dirty notes. Please note that there may be
> typos and errors, as these are my "quick sketches" for later
> reference. This means no complaining, as someone has already done most
> of the hard work for you. :)
>
> Happy hunting
> -Claudia
>
> 1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas (dates are mixed, with many from 1690s)
> source film: 168007
> images 001-534
>
> ---
>
> 003 rollo 2373
>
> 004/005 slate
>
> 006 #8 agustin septiem y montero (from castilla) / jalos
> viudo maria ana de austria w. ana covarrubias
>
> 014 pedro casillas cabrera mentioned
>
> 017 #9 bartolome alvarez & juana gertrudis delgadillo
>
> 023 #7 alonso bareda & maria candelaria morales / valle de salinas
>
> 026 #53 antonio cabrales & teresa del valle / zacatecas
>
> 034 #51 manuel cabasos & luisa fernandes / real de santiago de savinas
>
> 041 #49 jose morillo & juana maria india / tlaltenango & colotlan
>
> 046 #48 jose de leon & ignacia de la garza / guajuco & monterrey
>
> 051 #46 alejandro garcia & maria rodz de montemayor / guajuco
>
> 054 #43 candido feliz & maria jauregui / nochis
>
> 060 #44 antonio leal de leon & catalina de la garza / guajuco
>
> 066 #45 enrique de igleria & josefa de garcia y torres / an jn cadereyta
>
> 070 #41 domingo **gonzalez hidalgo & antonia margarita rodz / monterrey
>
> 074 #39 alberto lozano & alejandra cervantes / tepa
>
> 078 #40 antonio de la garza & maria gertrudis sanches de la barresa /
> monterrey
>
> 082 #34 gregorio flores bejarano & josefa granados / zagualco
>
> 084 #11 francisco bandin de castro agudin & juana micaela de la
> helguera /
> teocaltiche
>
> 093 #12 francisco bustamante & leonor de riezu /guadalajara
>
> 097 #14 francisco gomez de algarin & ana josefa dongo / mexico
>
> 105 #15 franicso javiel del castillo & guadalupe mercado (hl miguel &
> gert
> garcia) / mezquital
>
>
> 111 #18 francisco echarreta & rafaela de palazuelos / bolanos & zacatecas
>
> 122 #57 joaquin de leon (from castilla) & dona juana ramon / saltillo
> (long)
>
> 137 #59 joaquin valdes & lorenza quintano / santiago de monclova
>
> 146 #60 luis rodz & ana maria guajardo / saltillo
>
> 152 #61 miguel de espina (de castilla) & isabel gertrudis de echevarria /
> charcas
>
>
> 160 #63 miguel navarro (chino from philipines) & josefa patricia
> valenzuela /
> tepic
>
> 164 #56 martin de picavea (from castilla) & maria feliciana saldana
> rodriguez
> y cabrera / nochis & guanajuato
> (long)
>
> 176 #50 juan baptista moncalvo & antonia margarita moncalvo
>
> 183 #52 juan hernandez & micaela ayala / tomatlan
>
> 189 #55 juan de salas & maria contreras / zagualco
>
> 195 #46 juan bacilio hernandez & maria gertrudis estrada / compostela
>
> 202 #49 juan blas aguirre & manuela de la mota (mulata esc) / mezquital &
> chihuahua
> 207 #41 jose joaquin barranco & teodora encarnacion / guad
>
> 211 #43 juan manuel guerra josefa ramos / lagos
>
> 214 #42 antonio sandoval (hl gaspar & gert llamas) & maria fernanda
> sanchez
> castellanos / tlaltenango & jerez
>
> 219 #44 juan carlos mayorga & pasquala francisca / tlaltenango & colotlan
>
> (long)
>
> 243 #45 juan antonio gutierrez & josefa gert navarro / tepa
>
> 247 #31 jose robles mendiola & ana maria flores bejarano / guad
>
> 254 #30 jose dias borrego (from burgos) & juana lares / valparaiso
>
> 265 #32 jose luis olazaran & tomasa guerrero / san antonio de pasilla
> (de los
> llanos)
>
> 282 #33 jose ramos de arreola & josefa cuellar / saltillo
>
> 288 #35 jose mercader & ana justa contreras / zacatecas
>
> 294 #36 jose antonio castro & josefa gonzalez / durango & autlan
>
> 306 #37 juan manuel quesada & maria magdalena lopez de lizarde / nochis
> o calderon
>
> 313 gaspar montes de oca & rosa carreon / guachinango
>
> 325 - miguel lopez lisalde mentioned
>
> 331 gaspar montes de oca (same as above) - divorce
> montes de oca file ends with image 352
>
> 353 #13 antonio estrada (illegible)
>
> 359 #147? juan bautista villareal & gergoria de la garza / monterrey
>
> 366 #45 [1695] diego casillas & maria rodriguez / tlajomulco &
> guadalajara
>
> 373 #126 juan rodriguez & maria gonz, viuda de gabriel navaterre /
> purificacion
>
> 380 #128 julian de la xx & maria de leon / monterrey
>
> 389 #127 [1695] juan de aguirre & maria ayala /
> 395 maria marta india, peticion contra miguel xx por servir malos
> tratamientos
>
> 400 miguel ang. martinez, minero & maria ballesteros /
> 405 #91 jose garza & isabel arellano / monterrey
>
> 414 #92 jose de chapa & nicolasa fernandez / monterrey
>
> 421 #221 isidro de josefa juarez
>
> 429 #53 diego gonzales & regina sanchez
>
> 438 #2 antonio saavedra & regina rico / guad
>
> 440 #37 [1690] cristobal lozano & petrona flores / JUCHIPILA
>
> 442 #150 [1695] juan martin & sebastiana rodz / lagos
>
> 455 #10 antonio ramos & maria de ordas / villa de la magdalena
>
> 460 #152 juan betura & petrona magdalena, india / compostela & mazatlan
>
> 470 #155 [1694] juan de la cerda & xx gonzalez / monterrey
>
> 477 #151 capp. juan de leon & agustina gonz quintanilla / cadereita &
> monterrey
>
> 484 #109 jose guerra & maria garza y renteria / monterrey
>
> 490 #34 juan rodriguez de la cruz = legitimidad y limpieza / saltillo
>
> 494 #230 teodoro de la garza & maria gonzalez / monterrey
>
> 499 #38 capp cristobal de villa & aldonza guajardo / monterrey
>
> 505 #56 [1690] diego fernandez & marta de la cruz / san antonio
> tapalpa &
> atemajaque
>
> 513 #123 [1690] juan rodriguez de la garza & antonia galvan lara /
> monterrey
>
> 519 #136 [1690] jose basques & maria lucia, indios / jalos
>
> 527 #68 francisco yanez & antonia gonzalez / tepa
>
> 533 FIN

1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007

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Thank you Claudia!

As someone whe had already been in these places and SEEN first hand the writing on these films, this is a great help and wonderful ....I will look at some of the records also as some of the names may be part of my family tree too...

----- Original Message -----

From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:27:25 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007

Hi all. I went through the entire film of found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Below are my quick and dirty notes. Please note that there may be typos and errors, as these are my "quick sketches" for later reference. This means no complaining, as someone has already done most of the hard work for you. :)

Happy hunting
-Claudia

1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas (dates are mixed, with many from 1690s)
source film: 168007
images 001-534

---

003 rollo 2373

004/005 slate

006 #8 agustin septiem y montero (from castilla) / jalos
viudo maria ana de austria w. ana covarrubias

014 pedro casillas cabrera mentioned

017 #9 bartolome alvarez & juana gertrudis delgadillo

023 #7 alonso bareda & maria candelaria morales / valle de salinas

026 #53 antonio cabrales & teresa del valle / zacatecas

034 #51 manuel cabasos & luisa fernandes / real de santiago de savinas

041 #49 jose morillo & juana maria india / tlaltenango & colotlan

046 #48 jose de leon & ignacia de la garza / guajuco & monterrey

051 #46 alejandro garcia & maria rodz de montemayor / guajuco

054 #43 candido feliz & maria jauregui / nochis

060 #44 antonio leal de leon & catalina de la garza / guajuco

066 #45 enrique de igleria & josefa de garcia y torres / an jn cadereyta

070 #41 domingo **gonzalez hidalgo & antonia margarita rodz / monterrey

074 #39 alberto lozano & alejandra cervantes / tepa

078 #40 antonio de la garza & maria gertrudis sanches de la barresa /

monterrey

082 #34 gregorio flores bejarano & josefa granados / zagualco

084 #11 francisco bandin de castro agudin & juana micaela de la helguera /

teocaltiche

093 #12 francisco bustamante & leonor de riezu /guadalajara

097 #14 francisco gomez de algarin & ana josefa dongo / mexico

105 #15 franicso javiel del castillo & guadalupe mercado (hl miguel & gert

garcia) / mezquital

111 #18 francisco echarreta & rafaela de palazuelos / bolanos & zacatecas

122 #57 joaquin de leon (from castilla) & dona juana ramon / saltillo
(long)

137 #59 joaquin valdes & lorenza quintano / santiago de monclova

146 #60 luis rodz & ana maria guajardo / saltillo

152 #61 miguel de espina (de castilla) & isabel gertrudis de echevarria /

charcas

160 #63 miguel navarro (chino from philipines) & josefa patricia valenzuela /

tepic

164 #56 martin de picavea (from castilla) & maria feliciana saldana rodriguez

y cabrera / nochis & guanajuato
(long)

176 #50 juan baptista moncalvo & antonia margarita moncalvo

183 #52 juan hernandez & micaela ayala / tomatlan

189 #55 juan de salas & maria contreras / zagualco

195 #46 juan bacilio hernandez & maria gertrudis estrada / compostela

202 #49 juan blas aguirre & manuela de la mota (mulata esc) / mezquital &

chihuahua

207 #41 jose joaquin barranco & teodora encarnacion / guad

211 #43 juan manuel guerra josefa ramos / lagos

214 #42 antonio sandoval (hl gaspar & gert llamas) & maria fernanda sanchez

castellanos / tlaltenango & jerez

219 #44 juan carlos mayorga & pasquala francisca / tlaltenango & colotlan

(long)

243 #45 juan antonio gutierrez & josefa gert navarro / tepa

247 #31 jose robles mendiola & ana maria flores bejarano / guad

254 #30 jose dias borrego (from burgos) & juana lares / valparaiso

265 #32 jose luis olazaran & tomasa guerrero / san antonio de pasilla (de los

llanos)

282 #33 jose ramos de arreola & josefa cuellar / saltillo

288 #35 jose mercader & ana justa contreras / zacatecas

294 #36 jose antonio castro & josefa gonzalez / durango & autlan

306 #37 juan manuel quesada & maria magdalena lopez de lizarde / nochis
o calderon

313 gaspar montes de oca & rosa carreon / guachinango

325 - miguel lopez lisalde mentioned

331 gaspar montes de oca (same as above) - divorce
montes de oca file ends with image 352

353 #13 antonio estrada (illegible)

359 #147? juan bautista villareal & gergoria de la garza / monterrey

366 #45 [1695] diego casillas & maria rodriguez / tlajomulco & guadalajara

373 #126 juan rodriguez & maria gonz, viuda de gabriel navaterre /

purificacion

380 #128 julian de la xx & maria de leon / monterrey

389 #127 [1695] juan de aguirre & maria ayala /

395 maria marta india, peticion contra miguel xx por servir malos

tratamientos

400 miguel ang. martinez, minero & maria ballesteros /

405 #91 jose garza & isabel arellano / monterrey

414 #92 jose de chapa & nicolasa fernandez / monterrey

421 #221 isidro de josefa juarez

429 #53 diego gonzales & regina sanchez

438 #2 antonio saavedra & regina rico / guad

440 #37 [1690] cristobal lozano & petrona flores / JUCHIPILA

442 #150 [1695] juan martin & sebastiana rodz / lagos

455 #10 antonio ramos & maria de ordas / villa de la magdalena

460 #152 juan betura & petrona magdalena, india / compostela & mazatlan

470 #155 [1694] juan de la cerda & xx gonzalez / monterrey

477 #151 capp. juan de leon & agustina gonz quintanilla / cadereita &

monterrey

484 #109 jose guerra & maria garza y renteria / monterrey

490 #34 juan rodriguez de la cruz = legitimidad y limpieza / saltillo

494 #230 teodoro de la garza & maria gonzalez / monterrey

499 #38 capp cristobal de villa & aldonza guajardo / monterrey

505 #56 [1690] diego fernandez & marta de la cruz / san antonio tapalpa &

atemajaque

513 #123 [1690] juan rodriguez de la garza & antonia galvan lara / monterrey

519 #136 [1690] jose basques & maria lucia, indios / jalos

527 #68 francisco yanez & antonia gonzalez / tepa

533 FIN

1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007

Comment

Claudia, thank you so much! What is truly great is that what you're sharing is not only research that you've done exclusively to benefit your personal family research. This info can benefit many in the group that don't have any known connection to you. It's a thoughtful and unselfish thing that you've done. Thanks again, Alice

--- On Wed, 7/13/11, nancasillas@comcast.net wrote:

From: nancasillas@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 3:33 AM

Thank you Claudia!

----- Original Message -----

From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:27:25 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas / Film 168007

Hi all. I went through the entire film of found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Happy hunting
-Claudia

1749-1750 Guadalajara Dispensas (dates are mixed, with many from 1690s)
source film: 168007
images 001-534

---

003 rollo 2373

004/005 slate

006 #8 agustin septiem y montero (from castilla) / jalos
viudo maria ana de austria w. ana covarrubias

014 pedro casillas cabrera mentioned

017 #9 bartolome alvarez & juana gertrudis delgadillo

023 #7 alonso bareda & maria candelaria morales / valle de salinas

026 #53 antonio cabrales & teresa del valle / zacatecas

034 #51 manuel cabasos & luisa fernandes / real de santiago de savinas

041 #49 jose morillo & juana maria india / tlaltenango & colotlan

046 #48 jose de leon & ignacia de la garza / guajuco & monterrey

051 #46 alejandro garcia & maria rodz de montemayor / guajuco

054 #43 candido feliz & maria jauregui / nochis

060 #44 antonio leal de leon & catalina de la garza / guajuco

066 #45 enrique de igleria & josefa de garcia y torres / an jn cadereyta

070 #41 domingo **gonzalez hidalgo & antonia margarita rodz / monterrey

074 #39 alberto lozano & alejandra cervantes / tepa

078 #40 antonio de la garza & maria gertrudis sanches de la barresa /

monterrey

082 #34 gregorio flores bejarano & josefa granados / zagualco

084 #11 francisco bandin de castro agudin & juana micaela de la helguera /

teocaltiche

093 #12 francisco bustamante & leonor de riezu /guadalajara

097 #14 francisco gomez de algarin & ana josefa dongo / mexico

105 #15 franicso javiel del castillo & guadalupe mercado (hl miguel & gert

garcia) / mezquital

111 #18 francisco echarreta & rafaela de palazuelos / bolanos & zacatecas

122 #57 joaquin de leon (from castilla) & dona juana ramon / saltillo
(long)

137 #59 joaquin valdes & lorenza quintano / santiago de monclova

146 #60 luis rodz & ana maria guajardo / saltillo

152 #61 miguel de espina (de castilla) & isabel gertrudis de echevarria /

charcas

160 #63 miguel navarro (chino from philipines) & josefa patricia valenzuela /

tepic

164 #56 martin de picavea (from castilla) & maria feliciana saldana rodriguez

y cabrera / nochis & guanajuato
(long)

176 #50 juan baptista moncalvo & antonia margarita moncalvo

183 #52 juan hernandez & micaela ayala / tomatlan

189 #55 juan de salas & maria contreras / zagualco

195 #46 juan bacilio hernandez & maria gertrudis estrada / compostela

202 #49 juan blas aguirre & manuela de la mota (mulata esc) / mezquital &

chihuahua

207 #41 jose joaquin barranco & teodora encarnacion / guad

211 #43 juan manuel guerra josefa ramos / lagos

214 #42 antonio sandoval (hl gaspar & gert llamas) & maria fernanda sanchez

castellanos / tlaltenango & jerez

219 #44 juan carlos mayorga & pasquala francisca / tlaltenango & colotlan

(long)

243 #45 juan antonio gutierrez & josefa gert navarro / tepa

247 #31 jose robles mendiola & ana maria flores bejarano / guad

254 #30 jose dias borrego (from burgos) & juana lares / valparaiso

265 #32 jose luis olazaran & tomasa guerrero / san antonio de pasilla (de los

llanos)

282 #33 jose ramos de arreola & josefa cuellar / saltillo

288 #35 jose mercader & ana justa contreras / zacatecas

294 #36 jose antonio castro & josefa gonzalez / durango & autlan

306 #37 juan manuel quesada & maria magdalena lopez de lizarde / nochis
o calderon

313 gaspar montes de oca & rosa carreon / guachinango

325 - miguel lopez lisalde mentioned

331 gaspar montes de oca (same as above) - divorce
montes de oca file ends with image 352

353 #13 antonio estrada (illegible)

359 #147? juan bautista villareal & gergoria de la garza / monterrey

366 #45 [1695] diego casillas & maria rodriguez / tlajomulco & guadalajara

373 #126 juan rodriguez & maria gonz, viuda de gabriel navaterre /

purificacion

380 #128 julian de la xx & maria de leon / monterrey

389 #127 [1695] juan de aguirre & maria ayala /

395 maria marta india, peticion contra miguel xx por servir malos

tratamientos

400 miguel ang. martinez, minero & maria ballesteros /

405 #91 jose garza & isabel arellano / monterrey

414 #92 jose de chapa & nicolasa fernandez / monterrey

421 #221 isidro de josefa juarez

429 #53 diego gonzales & regina sanchez

438 #2 antonio saavedra & regina rico / guad

440 #37 [1690] cristobal lozano & petrona flores / JUCHIPILA

442 #150 [1695] juan martin & sebastiana rodz / lagos

455 #10 antonio ramos & maria de ordas / villa de la magdalena

460 #152 juan betura & petrona magdalena, india / compostela & mazatlan

470 #155 [1694] juan de la cerda & xx gonzalez / monterrey

477 #151 capp. juan de leon & agustina gonz quintanilla / cadereita &

monterrey

484 #109 jose guerra & maria garza y renteria / monterrey

490 #34 juan rodriguez de la cruz = legitimidad y limpieza / saltillo

494 #230 teodoro de la garza & maria gonzalez / monterrey

499 #38 capp cristobal de villa & aldonza guajardo / monterrey

505 #56 [1690] diego fernandez & marta de la cruz / san antonio tapalpa &

atemajaque

513 #123 [1690] juan rodriguez de la garza & antonia galvan lara / monterrey

519 #136 [1690] jose basques & maria lucia, indios / jalos

527 #68 francisco yanez & antonia gonzalez / tepa

533 FIN

Casas Piedras

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Does anyone know where Casa Piedra or Casas Piedras is, or was, circa
1877, Zacatecas?
I have several relatives that are supposedly from there and I'm trying
to find some images that might include

Me pueden dar la liga de parroquias del estad de Guanajuato

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Hola Estoy buscando el matrimonio de Miguel Antonio Gutierrerz de Hermosillo, con Juana Maria Gonzalez Gutierrez,creo que fué en Purisima del Rincon gto, pero no se como entrar en family search,a

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Me pueden dar la liga de parroquias del estad de Guanajuato

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https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Este link te lleva a las parroquias del estado de Guanajuato, ahi selecciona
la ciudad, luego la parroquia, y ahi el libro si es bautizo matrimonio etc,
y luego las fechas...

Suerte, espero que lo encuentres

2011/7/13

> Hola Estoy buscando el matrimonio de Miguel Antonio Gutierrerz de
> Hermosillo, con Juana Maria Gonzalez Gutierrez,creo que fué en Purisima del
> Rincon gto, pero no se como entrar en family search,a las parroquis de
> Guanajuato,alguien sabe?
> gracias
> Salvador. Gtz.

Padres de Juan de Torres y Josefa de la Cruz (Gabay) - Altos de Jalisco, 1600-1650

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Hola a todos,

Una de las principales líneas que he estado investigando es la de la familia Torres, quienes vivieron entre los pueblos de Mexticacán, Nochistlán, Tepatitlán y Teocaltiche.

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Padres de Juan de Torres y Josefa de la Cruz (Gabay) - Altos de

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Estimado Alejandro,

Es muy interesante los datos que aportas. No sabemos mucho
de este Joseph de Torres establecido en Teocaltiche a los
mediados del siglo XVII. Fortunamente si sabemos la
ascendencia de su mujer Josefa de la Cruz y Gabay.
Era hija de Joseph de la Cruz y María de Gabay o Gabadi,
dicha era hija natural de Cristóbal de Gabay hijo de
Martín de Gabay, "el Navarro" (Navarro no es su apellido
como tanta gente e investigador lo ha muestrado, sino es por
lugar donde procede, y Petronila de Moctezuma.

He meditado por mucho tiempo si este Joseph de Torres
sería pariente de los Torres o Ramírez Torres, Tavera Torres
de Aguascalientes-Santa María de los Lagos. La respuesta es
muy posiblemente. Aun dudo que Joseph de Torres sea
descendiente de Nicolás Ramírez de Tavera y Polonia de Torres
esteblecidos a los fines del siglo XVII en Aguascalientes. Si Polonia
tuviera parientes en la región durante la época el Joseph podía
descender de un pariente cercano, ya que el apellido Torres
fue utilizado por varias hijas de Nicolás y Polonia.

Encontré un Capt. Francisco Tavera de la Vega y una María
Tavera o Ramírez, no sé si son padres de Nicolás pero se
establecieron en Santa María de los Lagos. No está comprobado.
Muy interesantemente unas de las hija de Nicolas y Polonia de Torres
es María de Velasco lo cual sería una pista en su ascendencia.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Padres de Juan de Torres y Josefa de la Cruz (Gabay) - Altos de

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Daniel,

Como dato adicional, Juan (o Joseph) de Torres, contrajo matrimonio el 27 de abril de 1645 en Teocaltiche, con Josefa de los Ríos, quien se dice hija legítima de Joseph de la Cruz y María de Gabay. No se menciona a los padres de Juan y se refiere a todos como vecinos de Teocaltiche.
El apellido Ríos se suma al misterio de la ascendencia de ésta pareja, que bien puede tratarse de un error o de un apellido de la familia del padre (Joseph de la Cruz).

Aún con mi novatez en la genealogía alteña, tengo la impresión como dices, que Juan de Torres está relacionado con la familia de Polonia de Torres de alguna forma. Por cierto, se conoce el origen de Polonia y su esposo?

Muchas gracias por tus comentarios.

Saludos,

Alejandro

Padres de Juan de Torres

Comment

Alejandro,

Gracias por el dato matrimonial. Si es un misterio sobre "de los Ríos." Pero aun no sabemos
la ascendencia de Joseph de la Cruz podía surgir algo quizás una abuela, no lo sabemos.

Efectivamente, no sabemos mucho de Polonia de Torres, en varios documentos parece
en el archivo histórico del estado de Aguascalientes y porsupuesto en los archivos
parroquiales. Pero ningún menciona sus padres. Una visita y búsqueda en los
Archivos de Guadalajara sería importante para ver si existe un dato, seguro si existe
sería en Guadalajara.

La genealogía es una maravilla y aventura. Realmente es un arte que toma paciencia
y comprabación. Desde muy niño he tenido la oportunidad de estar involucrado
en estos temas através de mi abuelo y madre que también eran investigadores. Si necesitas
guía o pregunta déjamelo saber. Estudio la Nueva Galicia (Zacatecas, Aguascalientes,
Jalisco y San Luis Potosi), el Obispado de Michoacán (Michoacán y Guanajuato) y
la ciudad de México.

Daniel

Padres de Juan de Torres

Comment

Estimado Daniel,

Muchas gracias por tus comentarios. De hecho voy a tomarte la palabra y escribirte para algunas dudas sobre la genealogía alteña, ya que mi campo de experiencia es la genealogía del Noreste (Nuevo León).

Saludos,
Alejandro

Padres de Juan de Torres y Josefa de la Cruz (Gabay) - Altos de

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Yo tengo como esposo de María de Gabay, la hija natural de Cristóbal de Gabay a un tal Rodrigo Osorio de los Ríos, lo que podría explicar el porque Josefa de la Cruz en su partida de matrimonio aparece como Josefa de los Ríos, creo que hay podría faltar una generación para entrelazar exactamente esa familia. Habría que investigar bien como se entrelaza cada pareja.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

New World Diseases

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Hello Researchers,

There is a book about New World diseases titled "Born to Die - Disease and New
World Conquest, 1492-1650" by Noble David Cook.

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New World Diseases

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Thank you. I believe this answers two previous messages that I posted.

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

Hello Researchers,

There is a book about New World diseases titled "Born to Die - Disease and
New World Conquest, 1492-1650" by Noble David Cook. The book describes the
diseases the Spanish brought in great detail. The diseases were horrible in
how they affected the natives who had no immunities. There seemed to be
variations of smallpox, some strains worse than others. When I read that
book, I feel that it is a wonder I have any ancestors at all, because the
diseases struck constantly.

bubas - bubonic plague
sarampion - measles
viruelas - smallpox
paperas - mumps
tabardete/tabardillo - typhus
dolor de costado - pleurisy, which could have been influenza, pneumonia, or
typhus camaras de sangre - dysentery pestilence - when no other specific
term is used except pestilence, it is probably influenza catarrh - severe
cough, probably influenza

I think heredia means you inherited a condition. It probably means heart
attack, stroke, and other typically old-age afflictions.

New World Diseases

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Nancy,

I think the camaras de sangre, which is dysentery, refers to blood in the
stools. You are right that catarrh was used to describe whooping cough as well
as influenza. Dolor de costado has to do with pain under the rib cage
(costilla), which could have been pneumonia or another illness, but it probably
was not appendicitis. Researchers are still trying to make sense out of the
descriptions for illnesses which fell under pestilence or peste. Diseases were
most rampant in the coastal areas that were warm and humid, such as Veracruz, as
well as in dense settlements. And to think we sit around worrying about tooth
decay!

Alice

New World Diseases

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For sure!!! LOL when I read all the history of the times when our ancestors lived, it totally humbles me, and I STOP complaining for at least a few days anyway! :)

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From: "alice wissing"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:17:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

Nancy,

Alice

New World Diseases

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Is there one book that you would recommend on this subject? Thank you.

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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:34 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

For sure!!! LOL when I read all the history of the times when our ancestors lived, it totally humbles me, and I STOP complaining for at least a few days anyway! :)

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:17:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

Nancy,

I think the camaras de sangre, which is dysentery, refers to blood in the stools. You are right that catarrh was used to describe whooping cough as well as influenza. Dolor de costado has to do with pain under the rib cage (costilla), which could have been pneumonia or another illness, but it probably was not appendicitis. Researchers are still trying to make sense out of the descriptions for illnesses which fell under pestilence or peste. Diseases were most rampant in the coastal areas that were warm and humid, such as Veracruz, as well as in dense settlements. And to think we sit around worrying about tooth decay!

Alice

New World Diseases

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Is there one book that anyone could recommend on this very important topic?

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

Is there one book that you would recommend on this subject? Thank you.

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For sure!!! LOL when I read all the history of the times when our ancestors
lived, it totally humbles me, and I STOP complaining for at least a few days
anyway! :)

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From: "alice wissing"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:17:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

Nancy,

I think the camaras de sangre, which is dysentery, refers to blood in the
stools. You are right that catarrh was used to describe whooping cough as
well as influenza. Dolor de costado has to do with pain under the rib cage
(costilla), which could have been pneumonia or another illness, but it
probably was not appendicitis. Researchers are still trying to make sense
out of the descriptions for illnesses which fell under pestilence or peste.
Diseases were most rampant in the coastal areas that were warm and humid,
such as Veracruz, as well as in dense settlements. And to think we sit
around worrying about tooth decay!

Alice

New World Diseases

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Hi Alice,

Thank you so much for this information...how about.....

catarrah could that also have been whooping cough which was common at this time , especially for children, OR even the common cold?

camaras de sangre...."sickness in the blood" could this also be like sepsis?

color de costado..."pain in the side"......could this also have been appendicitis?

pestilence." an endemic contagious disease or epedemic " P erhaps this is also any viral or bacterial infection?

Nancy Casillas

Saint Clair Michigan

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From: "alice wissing"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:56:48 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases

Hello Researchers,

There is a book about New World diseases titled "Born to Die - Disease and New
World Conquest, 1492-1650" by Noble David Cook. The book describes the diseases
the Spanish brought in great detail. The diseases were horrible in how they
affected the natives who had no immunities. There seemed to be variations of
smallpox, some strains worse than others. When I read that book, I feel that it
is a wonder I have any ancestors at all, because the diseases struck constantly.

bubas - bubonic plague
sarampion - measles
viruelas - smallpox
paperas - mumps
tabardete/tabardillo - typhus
dolor de costado - pleurisy, which could have been influenza, pneumonia, or
typhus
camaras de sangre - dysentery
pestilence - when no other specific term is used except pestilence, it is
probably influenza
catarrh - severe cough, probably influenza

I think heredia means you inherited a condition. It probably means heart
attack, stroke, and other typically old-age afflictions.

New World Diseases

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Nancy -

That is interesting what you said about "pestilence" perhaps referimng to highly contagious diseases. I have a death certificate for a relative who died in the early 20th century in El Paso, Texas, and the place where they died is noted as "the pest house". The cause of death was smallpox.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 01:58:14 +0000
> From: nancasillas@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases
>
>
>
> Hi Alice,
>
> Thank you so much for this information...how about.....
>
> catarrah could that also have been whooping cough which was common at this time , especially for children, OR even the common cold?
>
> camaras de sangre...."sickness in the blood" could this also be like sepsis?
>
> color de costado..."pain in the side"......could this also have been appendicitis?
>
> pestilence." an endemic contagious disease or epedemic " P erhaps this is also any viral or bacterial infection?
>
> Nancy Casillas
>
> Saint Clair Michigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
>
> From: "alice wissing"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:56:48 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases
>
> Hello Researchers,
>
> There is a book about New World diseases titled "Born to Die - Disease and New
> World Conquest, 1492-1650" by Noble David Cook. The book describes the diseases
> the Spanish brought in great detail. The diseases were horrible in how they
> affected the natives who had no immunities. There seemed to be variations of
> smallpox, some strains worse than others. When I read that book, I feel that it
> is a wonder I have any ancestors at all, because the diseases struck constantly.
>
> bubas - bubonic plague
> sarampion - measles
> viruelas - smallpox
> paperas - mumps
> tabardete/tabardillo - typhus
> dolor de costado - pleurisy, which could have been influenza, pneumonia, or
> typhus
> camaras de sangre - dysentery
> pestilence - when no other specific term is used except pestilence, it is
> probably influenza
> catarrh - severe cough, probably influenza
>
> I think heredia means you inherited a condition. It probably means heart
> attack, stroke, and other typically old-age afflictions.

Juan Maria Osegueda ( Mulato )

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Hola a todos,buenas tardes, necesito ayuda con un ancestro, el es Juan Maria Osegueda, mulato, casado con Rita Luiza o Luisa Rita Gomez.

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Juan María Osegueda ( Mulato )

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Hola, Gloria.

Encontre dos actas que pudieron haber sido de Juan María Osegueda. Las dos actas dicen que era un "mulato libre de la Estancia". Entonces hay cierta ambigüedad sobre cual era el verdadero ancestro tuyo, Juan María.

Pero si nacio cerca de 1757-1758, quiere decir que si cuando tuvo a tu ancestro Jose Antonio Magsimo, hubiera tenido como 35 o 34 años. Esta puede ser una pista valiosa la cual quiere decir que se pudo haber casado con Luiza Rita Gómez antes de su primer hijo Josse Maria (nacido en 1785) en 1784 como de 27 años. O tal vez si cuando tuvo 20 años en 1777. Ya que era costumbre en esos tiempos casarse a los 20s.

Revise los Matrimonios de Etzatlan de 1781-1812, y no encontre su acta de matrimonio, pero puede que esta en los Matrimonios de 1590-1781.

Espero haberte ayudado con esta informacion.

de Castro

ESTA ES LA PRIMERA

(Este link te lleva al microfilm del bautismo)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

name: Juan Maria Gregorio Osegueda Rodrigues
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 04 Dec 1757
baptism/christening place: PURISIMA CONCEPCION,ETZATLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Manl. Osegueda
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Juana Rodrigues
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
paternal grandfather's name:
paternal grandmother's name:
maternal grandfather's name:
maternal grandmother's name:
indexing project (batch) number: C60297-2
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 282199
reference number:

ESTA ES LA SEGUNDA

(Este link te lleva al microfilm del bautismo)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

name: Juan María Osegueda
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Feb 1758
baptism/christening place: PURISIMA CONCEPCION,ETZATLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Lazaro Santiago
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Rozalia Osegueda
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
paternal grandfather's name:
paternal grandmother's name:
maternal grandfather's name:
maternal grandmother's name:
indexing project (batch) number: C60297-2
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 282199
reference number:

A. de Castro

Juan María Osegueda ( Mulato )

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Gloria Casillas

Muchas gracias,yo tengo el dato de 1758, pero no contaba con el primero, voy a buscar en el batch de Etzatlan de 1590 a 1781.Encontre el acta de defuncion de Ma Luiza Rita, quien fallecio en septiembre de 1800,en Etzatlan, pero no menciona ni de que murio, ni cuantos años tenia,solo menciona con quien estaba casada, pero no enconte la de Juan Maria. Muchas gracias por la informacion voy a tratar de buscar mas hijos, si es que los tuvieron esperando que alguno me de mas pistas =)

File Martin del Campo

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Nuevamente aqui, con la investigacion genealogica, quiero comentarles que el archivo de mi rama por lo Martin (del Campo) esta disponible en www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14928.

Gracias por sus aportaciones

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File Martin del Campo

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Hola Francisco Martin:

Baje tu genealogia desde este lugar que das y la revise y tengo una
cosa que
no concuerda con lo que yo tengo:

Tu tienes que el Genearca de el linaje de los Martin es el Capitan
Lazaro Martin
del Campo Garcia, que se caso con Doña Maria Lopez de la Cruz, que se
casaron
aproximadamente en 1627 en Guadalajara, Jal, hasta alli estamos de acuerdo,
pero
yo tengo que los padres de Maria Lopez de la Cruz y Paz son:

El Capitan Gabriel Lopez de la Cruz y Doña Ana Maria de Paz, que se
casaron el
03-Feb-1608 en el Sagrario Metropolitrano de Guadalajara, Jal., que tubieron
a:
1.- Maria Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que nacio Aprox. en 1609 en Guadalajara,
Jal. y
que murio el 22-May-1670 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jal.
2.- Francisco Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizado el 30-jul-1610 en
el
Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara, Jal.
3.- Geronimo Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizado el 10-Sep-1612 en el
Sagrario Metropolitano de Gdl., Jal.
4.- Tomasa Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizada el 17-Mzo-.1614 en el
Sagrario Metropolitano de Gdl., Jal.
5.- Ana Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizada el 22-Oct-1615 en el
Sagrario Metropolitano de Gdl.,Jal.

En estos documentos Gabriel Lopez de la Cruz y Ana Maria de la Paz
declararn que son originarios de Sta. Olalla, en Toledo, España.

Pero en tiu genealogia tu pones que los padres de Maria Lopez de la
Cruz
son :

Wife's father: Lic. Juan BAUTISTA VALLIN Y BARROSO

Wife's mother: Doña Doña María ESTRADA Y LOPEZ DE LA CRUZ

?DE donde sacaste estos padres o datos?

Espero Respuesta:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

El día 17/08/06, Francisco Martin
escribió:
>
> Nuevamente aqui, con la investigacion genealogica, quiero comentarles que
> el archivo de mi rama por lo Martin (del Campo) esta disponible en
> www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14928.
>
> Gracias por sus aportaciones
>
> Francisco Martin
>
>
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Martin del Campo

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>
> Hola Francisco y Tomas,

Mi base de datos esta de acuerdo con lo que dice Tomas de quienes fueron los
Padres de Maria Lopez de la Cruz. Yo tambien desciendo de esta pareja por
parte de su hijo Lazaro, casado aprox. 1674 con Catharina Gonzalez de
Hermosillo en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Maria E. Cortez

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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:45:21 -0500
> From: " Tom?s Alejandro Villegas G?mez "
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] File Martin del Campo
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> Hola Francisco Martin:
>
> Baje tu genealogia desde este lugar que das y la revise y tengo una
> cosa que
> no concuerda con lo que yo tengo:
>
> Tu tienes que el Genearca de el linaje de los Martin es el Capitan
> Lazaro Martin
> del Campo Garcia, que se caso con Do?a Maria Lopez de la Cruz, que se
> casaron
> aproximadamente en 1627 en Guadalajara, Jal, hasta alli estamos de
> acuerdo,
> pero
> yo tengo que los padres de Maria Lopez de la Cruz y Paz son:
>
> El Capitan Gabriel Lopez de la Cruz y Do?a Ana Maria de Paz, que se
> casaron el
> 03-Feb-1608 en el Sagrario Metropolitrano de Guadalajara, Jal., que
> tubieron
> a:
> 1.- Maria Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que nacio Aprox. en 1609 en Guadalajara,
> Jal. y
> que murio el 22-May-1670 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jal.
> 2.- Francisco Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizado el 30-jul-1610 en
> el
> Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara, Jal.
> 3.- Geronimo Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizado el 10-Sep-1612 en el
> Sagrario Metropolitano de Gdl., Jal.
> 4.- Tomasa Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizada el 17-Mzo-.1614 en el
> Sagrario Metropolitano de Gdl., Jal.
> 5.- Ana Lopez de la Cruz y Paz que fue bautizada el 22-Oct-1615 en el
> Sagrario Metropolitano de Gdl.,Jal.
>
> En estos documentos Gabriel Lopez de la Cruz y Ana Maria de la Paz
> declararn que son originarios de Sta. Olalla, en Toledo, Espa?a.
>
> Pero en tiu genealogia tu pones que los padres de Maria Lopez de la
> Cruz
> son :
>
> Wife's father: Lic. Juan BAUTISTA VALLIN Y BARROSO
>
>
> Wife's mother: Do?a Do?a Mar?a ESTRADA Y LOPEZ DE LA CRUZ
>
> ?DE donde sacaste estos padres o datos?
>
> Espero Respuesta:
>
>
> Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
>
> El d?a 17/08/06, Francisco Martin
> escribi?:
> >
> > Nuevamente aqui, con la investigacion genealogica, quiero comentarles
> que
> > el archivo de mi rama por lo Martin (del Campo) esta disponible en
> > www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14928.
> >
> > Gracias por sus aportaciones
> >
> > Francisco Martin
> >
> >
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>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>

Ascendencia de María López de la Cruz

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Alfonso Reynoso Rabago

Francisco, un saludo cordial.

Yo tengo la misma pregunta. En diversos sitios de Internet (Sanchiz, FamilySearch, Geni, etc.) encuentro confirmación de lo que tú afirmas en tu genealogía aquí en Nuestros Ranchos y también en tus aportes en Family Search en cuanto a la ascendencia de María López de la Cruz.

Más que Vaillín, como tú lo haces en tu contribución a FamilySearch, estaríamos hablando de la línea de origen francés de Jean-Baptiste Vailly (n. en Frankfurt del Meno, Alemania), Pierre Vailly (luego Pedro Balli o Vailli [tercer impresor de la Nueva España] n. en Estrasburgo, Alsacia, Francia), de Juan Bautista Balli o Vallí, padre de María López de la Cruz, en Guadalajara.

Pero la pregunta que te planteó Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez, que es también la mía, no ha sido respondida. ¿De dónde sacaste esa información? ¿Cuál es el fundamento de lo que consignas en tu genealogía y en FamilySearch? El que nos proporciones tu fuente, nos permitiría valorarla y confrontarla con los datos que otros han encontrado sobre la ascendencia de María López de la Cruz, esposa de Lázaro Martín del Campo García.

Te platico que durante largo tiempo preparé yo una ponencia para un congreso que se realizó en Lagos de Moreno el día de ayer. Mi tema fue el origen europeo, no español, de algunas familias que tienen numerosos descendientes en los Altos de Jalisco. Escogí como ejemplo la familia de Pierre Balli. Pero se me cayó el teatro cuanto otros investigadores señalaron la falsedad de mis afirmaciones señalando que el origen de María López de la Cruz era muy otro. Por esta razón yo quisiera conocer la fuente de tus afirmaciones para valorarla y contrastarla con otras hipótesis.

Un saludo.
Alfonso Reynoso Rábago
reynosoalfonso@hotmail.com

Ascendencia de María López de la Cruz

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Gloria Casillas
Buenas tardes, necesito ayuda de expertos en genealogia, estoy buscando un matrimonio de Felipe Sanchez de Porras con Maria Michaela Martin del Campo,los hijos que encontre son
05 de abril de 1768, nació Jose Ygnacio Antonio.Bautizado el 13 de Abril de 1768 en la parroquia de San Felipe Cuquio, Jalisco.https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

30 de marzo de 1769, nació Ana Josepha Ygnacia.Bautizada el 09 de Abril de 1769, en la Parroquia de San Felipe, Cuquio.https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

02 de junio de 1774, nació Maria Ygnacia.bautizada el 14 de Junio de 1774 en la Parroquia de San Felipe, Cuquio,https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

De los cuales Jose Ygnacio antonio es mi ancestro. Le agradezco de antemano cualquier pista que me pueda proporcionar.

Cemetery Zacatecas

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I have been looking for the death years of my Grandfather Ventura Rojas and his
father-in-law, Leonardo Betancourt. They were both killed on the same day.

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ayuda

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Maria del Carmen Valle de Gamboa hola si tu abuelo fue enterrado en los alrededores de zacatecas puede estar en cualquiera de los dos panteones el de los ricos o el de los pobres, si está en el de los ricos puedes encontrarlo pues los registros se conservaron, en el de los pobres al cumplir el tiempo los sacan para volver a utilizar el espacio. estos panteones esta´n a las afueras de la ciudad te lo puedo informar con la certeza de que yo tuve que hacerlo para encontrar los sepulcros de mi familia pero del siglo XIX, espero te sirva la información

Help with the "?" in the emails

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I know this has been addressed before, but I can't find the solution in the records. Please, what do I do to remove the "?" from the words in the emails?

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Help with the "?" in the emails

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If you are talking about the Spanish characters being replaced by ? then it
might be a setting in the email program that needs to be changed. I couldn't
fix it that way so I started to use gmail (Google email www.gmail.com)
which doesn't have that problem. It's ridiculous how one of the most widely
spoken languages in the world and the U.S. isn't supported by default by
email programs.

Armando

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:38 PM, wrote:

> I know this has been addressed before, but I can't find the solution in the
> records. Please, what do I do to remove the "?" from the words in the
> emails? I use a Mac computer and I've looked all over my preferences for
> the solution. If you will please tell me where to find the directions for
> eliminating the "?'s" it will make my life easier, and my translations much
> clearer, even though they are quite comical at times.
>
> Thank you for revisiting this problem and helping me find the solution.
>
> Linda

Character incompatibility in emails

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The problem some of us (mostly mac users) are seeing with ? in emails instead of accents and other marks is that UTF-8 (or UTF-16) text encoding is not selected by an email sender using an older Windows version, for which the default encoding is ISO 8859-1, an older text encoding scheme which is not fully compatible with other systems.

For maximum compatibility and fewer such issues, set your email (and website) text encoding to UTF-8, which will make things easier and more compatible for all of us. [In Mac OS X Mail, the last item under the Message menu lets you set text encoding: pick Unicode (UTF-8).]

So, for users who encounter messages in which ? appears instead of accents (á, é, í, ó, ú, Ā, É, Í, Ó, Ú) and other typographical marks (ç, ñ, ü, Ç, Ñ, Ü, ¡, ¿ ), I suggest copying the message from the Nuestros Ranchos website and pasting it onto your system. All the special characters should work fine. You can use the list above as a test case.

For more details, WikIpedia has articles on text encoding and the various ways it's done. Here's an excerpt from the UTF-8 article: " ... UTF-8 has become the dominant character encoding for the World-Wide Web, accounting for more than half of all Web pages.[2][3][4] The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) requires all Internet protocols to identify the encoding used for character data, and the supported character encodings must include UTF-8.[5] The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) recommends that all e‑mail programs be able to display and create mail using UTF-8."

~ Bert Paredes

@}-->----- @}-->----- {@} -----<--{@ -----<--{@
We can complain because roses have thorns,
or we can be happy because thorns have roses.

Character incompatibility in emails

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Hello Bert,

I am not a Mac user but the Spanish characters would not show up correctly
in my email from Nuestros Ranchos even though they would show up correctly
in all my emails in Spanish to my friends and relatives, I had brought this
to the attention of Joseph Puentes. He had said the same thing, that all I
had to do was change the email to UTF-8, but that didn't solve anything for
me. As soon as I switched my account over to my gmail account the problem
was solved. If the solution is switching to UTF-8 why didn't the emal from
Nuestros Ranchos get corrected when I set the encoding to UTF-8? I still
have one of them and I tried it again and it still didn't correct. If it's
because of the person that sent it why do I never have the problem anymore
with gmail?
Opening a new account with gmail or maybe live.com (hotmail) is a very easy
step as is changing the email account. I have my gmail forwarded to my Yahoo
account so I don't have to use two accounts unless I want to reply in gmail.
So those that don't replay a lot won't need to log into two accounts.

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:09 PM, wrote:

> The problem some of us (mostly mac users) are seeing with ? in emails
> instead of accents and other marks is that UTF-8 (or UTF-16) text encoding
> is not selected by an email sender using an older Windows version, for which
> the default encoding is ISO 8859-1, an older text encoding scheme which is
> not fully compatible with other systems.
> For maximum compatibility and fewer such issues, set your email (and
> website) text encoding to UTF-8, which will make things easier and more
> compatible for all of us. [In Mac OS X Mail, the last item under the Message
> menu lets you set text encoding: pick Unicode (UTF-8).]
>
> So, for users who encounter messages in which ? appears instead of accents
> (á, é, í, ó, ú, Ā, É, Í, Ó, Ú) and other typographical marks (ç, ñ, ü, Ç, Ñ,
> Ü, ¡, ¿ ), I suggest copying the message from the Nuestros Ranchos website
> and pasting it onto your system. All the special characters should work
> fine. You can use the list above as a test case.
> For more details, WikIpedia has articles on text encoding and the various
> ways it's done. Here's an excerpt from the UTF-8 article: " ... UTF-8 has
> become the dominant character encoding for the World-Wide Web, accounting
> for more than half of all Web pages.[2][3][4] The Internet Engineering Task
> Force (IETF) requires all Internet protocols to identify the encoding used
> for character data, and the supported character encodings must include
> UTF-8.[5] The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) recommends that all e‑mail
> programs be able to display and create mail using UTF-8."
>
> ~ Bert Paredes
>
> @}-->----- @}-->----- {@} -----

Getting ? in emails instead of Spanish characters

Comment

There's one point I failed to make in my previous post. It is the sender of the message who needs to set text encoding to UTF-8 as well as the recipient. Once the message gets reencoded (with the ?s) as part of the aggregated post and sent via email, it's too late to change it. If the person assembling the combined message notices that it contains ? wherever Spanish accent and typographical marks should be, then he or she can try to change the message's text encoding at that point, which may work some of the time.

~ Bert Paredes

~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~
Whatever can be done, will be done. The only question is: will it be done by you or to you? ~ Thomas L. Friedman, in "The World is Flat 3.0"

Getting ? in emails instead of Spanish characters

Comment

Why is it that I never get garbled messages with gmail ? I don't change
anything and neither do the senders and I never have problems with it. We
can't expect all of the senders to change their encoding to UTF-8 even if
Joseph were to send all of the members an email asking them to change the
encoding.

Armando

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:15 PM, wrote:

> There's one point I failed to make in my previous post. It is the sender of
> the message who needs to set text encoding to UTF-8 as well as the
> recipient. Once the message gets reencoded (with the ?s) as part of the
> aggregated post and sent via email, it's too late to change it. If the
> person assembling the combined message notices that it contains ? wherever
> Spanish accent and typographical marks should be, then he or she can try to
> change the message's text encoding at that point, which may work some of the
> time.
>
> ~ Bert Paredes
>
> ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ -
> ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~
> Whatever can be done, will be done. The only question is: will it be done
> by you or to you? ~ Thomas L. Friedman, in "The World is Flat 3.0"

Character incompatibility in emails

Comment

Thank you for this forum posting. It was very informative. I went back through my browser and outlook to make sure I had the settings at UTF-8.

Thanks

Rose

Getting ? in emails instead of Spanish characters

Comment

Thank's for the added information. That explains why I'm still getting some emails with ? in them.

Though I'm 69, it looks like it will be easier for me to take Spanish language classes than to put up with ?'s and comical online translators.

Linda

On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bert@paredes.net
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Getting ? in emails instead of Spanish
> characters
> Message-ID:
>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> There's one point I failed to make in my previous post. It is the sender of the message who needs to set text encoding to UTF-8 as well as the recipient. Once the message gets reencoded (with the ?s) as part of the aggregated post and sent via email, it's too late to change it. If the person assembling the combined message notices that it contains ? wherever Spanish accent and typographical marks should be, then he or she can try to change the message's text encoding at that point, which may work some of the time.
>
>
> ~ Bert Paredes

Linda
romero89@earthlink.net

Character incompatibility in emails

Comment

I copied your email from the Ranchos website and emailed it to me. Everything came out alright using UTF-8. So, everything works when I send an email from me to me. Now I'll wait and see if a new email from Nuestros Ranchos or someone else will appear correctly, too.

Thank you for all your help. I hope you have solved this vexing problem for me and other's, too.

Linda
Researching: Romero, de la Torre, Gutierrez, Navarro, Martin, Pena, Camarena, Padilla

Character incompatibility in emails

Comment

Thank you so much, Patty. The letters came through fine. I'm so pleased. I appreciate the help you and Armando have given me. I changed my email message text encoding as Armando suggested, then changed the text encoding in Safari under View to UTF-8. I now received your email with the test and it came through without question marks. Hooray! It seems the text coding must be changed in both the web browser and the email program.

Thank you both and everyone else who worked on this problem.

Linda
Researching: Romero, de la Torre, Gutierrez, Navarro, Pena, Camarena, Martin, Padilla and a few more.

On Jul 8, 2011, at 12:10 PM, patty haro wrote:

>
> here is a test
>
> á é í ó ú ñ
>
> I hope you can read it right!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, wrote:
> I copied your email from the Ranchos website and emailed it to me. Everything came out alright using UTF-8. So, everything works when I send an email from me to me. Now I'll wait and see if a new email from Nuestros Ranchos or someone else will appear correctly, too.
>
> Thank you for all your help. I hope you have solved this vexing problem for me and other's, too.
>
> Linda
> Researching: Romero, de la Torre, Gutierrez, Navarro, Martin, Pena, Camarena, Padilla
>

Linda
romero89@earthlink.net

Diccionario geográfico, histórico y biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos

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Many many thanks to Lynn Turner for passing on this great link for
another site that is hosting the "Diccionario geográfico, histórico y
biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos / por Anton

Comments

Diccionario geográfico, histórico y biográfico de los Estados...

Comment

Yes, Thank you Lynn for this great website....totally awesome!!!

Rose

Help with baptism of José Eduardo Tapia

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Hi, I have had a researching problem with the baptism of José Eduardo Tapia of San Martín Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico.

Comments

San Martin Hidalgo

Comment

In simply looking at the images of the pages, ignoring the text for the moment, the book is in pretty bad shape, clearly it is in pieces.

Since the Family Search index gives you a specific page in the register, someone obviously saw the record in the microfilm, since that is all they had to work with.

This suggests that the pages may be out of sequence in the microfilm.

Your only option is to go through the book essentially page by page. What I did is go to the location where you saw the gap, and started paging through in jumps of 5 images at a time. Since the gap was about 30 pages, and assuming they are all together, I expected to come eventually to the out of sequence pages. This is exactly what happened. From then on, it is a matter of going to the right page number.

For books in poor shape, you must always be consider that the pages may get mixed up. You may need to go through the whole film to find an out of sequence event or page.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Help with baptism of José

Comment

Hi de Castro,

The Number in the index page (227) refers to the original number handwritten at the top of the film page (almost always). No to the number of the image of the film. That's why some times it is difficult to find the film you are looking for. The baptism of Jose Eduardo Tapia is the last act of the image in page 325. Here you have the direct link: https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

Help with baptism of José

Comment

Check on image number 325 of the second link you sent. I found it searching by date on the book. Sometimes they may have 2 or more books in one roll, each with its own numbering. Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Help with baptism of José Eduardo Tapia

Comment

Thank you very much, I only looked for it on the first roll but I would have never guessed there would have been two in one roll. Thanks.

Thank you both Victoriano Navarro and Jorge Elias.

A. de Castro

New World Diseases - Smallpox

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Emilie,

Thanks for the information about your family. My aunt said my grandfather, who
lived in Herreras, Durango, had smallpox as a toddler.

New World Diseases - Bubas

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Bubas, which meant boils, was also used to describe syphilis.

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New World Diseases - Bubas

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Alicia -

Yes, my husband had two direct ancestors who had syphillis. They came from Jalisco. The father was born in 1865, but moved to El Paso, Tx in 1895. His death certificate from 1930 states his cause of death as syphillitic aortitis. One of his sons was known in the family to have gone blind due to syphillis, but he lived into his late 90s. Since the son was only about five when he was brought to the US, he may have acquired the disease in the brothels of Juarez. Soldiers stationed near New Orleans and Juarez in the early part of the 20th century were forbidden to go into those cities because of STDs.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:44:33 -0700
> From: alice_wissing@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases - Bubas
>
> Bubas, which meant boils, was also used to describe syphilis. According to the
> book "Born to Die - Disease and New World Conquest" by Noble David Cook,
> syphilis was widespread in the Americas, several who returned to the Iberian
> Peninsula in 1493 were infected with it, and eventually the disease spread all
> over Europe. There is a lot of speculation as to the origins of syphilis - I've
> read fairly recent articles that it came from Italy.
>
> The book says the unintended revenge of the Spanish was to give the Indians
> smallpox. The sixteenth century historian, Lopez de Gomara, said Mexico City was
> hit so bad by smallpox that they had to pull the houses down to cover the
> corpses. The following quote by him summarizing the attitude of his compatriots
> is pretty cruel: "It seems to me that is the way they were repaid for the bubas
> which they gave our men." Bubas must have been pretty horrible for Lopez de
> Gomara to make such a callous statement.
>
>
> Have any researchers out there encountered syphilis as a cause of death while
> reviewing records? Is it a fatal disease? It must have been widespread in
> Mexico.

Archivo Secreto de Tepatitlan

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Hola y saludos a todos,

Les quisiera comentar con lo que me encontré el otro día al visitar la
notaría parroquial de Tepatitlán.

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Archivo Secreto de Tepatitlan

Comment

Hola Sergio, cómo estás?

La información es la siguiente, la obtuve del buscador de familysearch.org,
pero el acta digitalizada de los segundos datos no se encuentra. Es de unos
MARTIN de MIRANDILLA. Jacinta Gomez fue hija de Vicente Gomez y de Viviana
Hernandez. Los primeros datos corresponden a un registro de hijo natural,
así que quizás la segunda información sea el reconocimiento del bebé nacido
como hijo de Miguel Martin. En Jalos habrá un libro parecido? Sergio, cuando
vienes a Los Altos, o acaso aquí estás? Te adelanto que tenemos una reunión
de genealogistas el siguiente mes aquí en Valle, viene el Padre Chayo a
platicar sobre la historia de Los Altos, creo que lo has de conocer.
Enseguida hago pública la reunión.

Name: Julio Gomez

Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Apr 1871

Baptism/Christening Place: TEPATITLAN DE MORELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO

Father's Name:

Mother's Name: Jacinta Gomez

Source Film Number: 218467

Name: Julio Martin

Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Apr 1871

Baptism/Christening Place: San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de
Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico

Father's Name: Miguel Martin

Mother's Name: Jacinta Gomez

Source Film Number: 218508

Reference Number: v 1 p 143

Saludos,

R. Rodríguez

Archivo Secreto de

Comment

Hola Ricardo,

Usted apunto la fecha y el nombre de la persona que sale en esa acta de bautismo. Me gusteria verla en linea.

Gracias,

Sergio Gutierrez

Archivo Secreto de Tepatitlan

Comment

Buen día.

El microfilme no existe. No los microfilmaron, son exclusivos y el acceso a
ellos es sumamente restringido.

Todas las parroquias tienen un archivo secreto y para tener acceso a el
debes de ser el párroco o tener permiso por escrito del obispo. Esto se debe
a la clase de información que contiene.

Saludos.

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

El 4 de julio de 2011 21:33, Rick Rodriguez escribió:

> Hola y saludos a todos,
>
>
>
> Les quisiera comentar con lo que me encontré el otro día al visitar la
> notaría parroquial de Tepatitlán. Resulta que en el margen izquierdo un
> acta
> de bautismo de la misma parroquia aparece la nota: “referirse al archivo
> secreto…”, el cual no aparece en la lista de archivos de Tepatitlán en
> Family Search. Cuando fui a preguntar a la notaría acerca de este archivo,
> me dijeron que en efecto sí existe, pero que por órdenes de arriba, no
> pueden proporcionar la información que contiene el mismo.
>
>
>
> Alguien de ustedes había escuchado de esto en esta u otra parroquia? Creo
> que existe un rollo con el microfilm de este libro, pero no lo encontré en
> la lista de los archivos disponibles digitalizados que hay en línea.
> Alguien
> sabe cómo o donde puede uno obtener esta información?
>
>
>
> Saludos y gracias.
>
>
>
> Ricardo Rodríguez
>
> Cronista de Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco
>
>
>

Archivo Secreto de Tepatitlan

Comment

Estimado Sr. Valles,

Agradezco su atención y respuesta a mi mensaje. En ese caso, solo nos queda
esperar que algún día den a conocer al público interesado la información
contenida en estos archivos. Volviendo al caso de Tepatitlán, creo que el
número de microfilm es el 218508, pero no aparece en la lista de Family
Search, voy a tener que echarme una vuelta a los archivos de la
Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara esperando encontrar información.

Saludos,

R. Rodríguez

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Diego
Israel Valles Lopez
Enviado el: martes, 05 de julio de 2011 10:16 AM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Archivo Secreto de Tepatitlan

Buen día.

El microfilme no existe. No los microfilmaron, son exclusivos y el acceso a
ellos es sumamente restringido.

Todas las parroquias tienen un archivo secreto y para tener acceso a el
debes de ser el párroco o tener permiso por escrito del obispo. Esto se debe
a la clase de información que contiene.

Saludos.

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

El 4 de julio de 2011 21:33, Rick Rodriguez escribió:

> Hola y saludos a todos,
>
>
>
> Les quisiera comentar con lo que me encontré el otro día al visitar la
> notaría parroquial de Tepatitlán. Resulta que en el margen izquierdo
> un acta de bautismo de la misma parroquia aparece la nota: referirse
> al archivo secreto, el cual no aparece en la lista de archivos de
> Tepatitlán en Family Search. Cuando fui a preguntar a la notaría
> acerca de este archivo, me dijeron que en efecto sí existe, pero que
> por órdenes de arriba, no pueden proporcionar la información que
> contiene el mismo.
>
>
>
> Alguien de ustedes había escuchado de esto en esta u otra parroquia?
> Creo que existe un rollo con el microfilm de este libro, pero no lo
> encontré en la lista de los archivos disponibles digitalizados que hay en
línea.
> Alguien
> sabe cómo o donde puede uno obtener esta información?
>
>
>
> Saludos y gracias.
>
>
>
> Ricardo Rodríguez
>
> Cronista de Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco
>
>
>

MATRIMONIO SECRETO

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Estimado Sr.

CODIGO DE DERECHO CANONICO Promulgado por la Autoridad de Juan Pablo II, Papa.

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Buen día, compañeros.

Tal vez les interese aprender un poco mas sobre el
Derecho Canónico Católico, les envío una liga al Codigo de Derecho Canónico
vigente.

Les invito a que revisen el

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

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Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.

Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC.

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Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Comment

Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town (town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas, Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.

Hope this info helps you

Best regards

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> From: esther@enhanced.org
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:44:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo
>
> Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.
>
> Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC. Are there are sources you might know of that cover Portezuelo? I know La Barca has some records from Portezuelo but I haven't seen a whole lot. Do I need to actually visit Portezuelo to do my research. Any ideas? Thank you, I appreciate any information you may give me.
>
> --Esther Jordan Lopez
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the actual christening record for Miguel Gregorio
> Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening
> record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
> 1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the original,
> or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where I
> can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the
> dates of his christening.
>
>
>

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Comment

Thank you, Eduardo, and no I am not offended in any way. I am rather grateful to get help
from you if at all possible.

Here's my situation: I got a birth record from Portezuelo for my
great, grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez. Her parents were Rosendo Vaca and Anastacia Velasquez; her paternal grand parents were: Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz; her maternal grand parents were Refugio Velasquez and Maria Linares; her padrinos: Blas Luna and Vitola Vaca. The baptism record
from Pbro. Rafael Santana Ortiz, parroco de Ntra. Sra. de Gpe. y Sto. Toribio Romo en
Portezuelo, Jalisco.

Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born 14 March 1881. I cannot seem to find anything for her parents, such as birth, or marriage records. I guesstimate 1860's? I do know that her father Rosendo Vaca was killed before his daughter was born, and that Anastacia remarried a Jose Cerda. This last part is history given to me by my mother.

I know you are a very busy person but I'm hoping to get some ideas on how to continue this research. Thank you. Esther Jordan Lopez, esther@enhanced.org

Esther,

I hope I did not come across as getting after you; that was by no means my
intention; I wanted to just inform people that sources are very important
when doing genealogy or family history; (whichever you prefer) and
particular attention needs to be given to where the original information is
coming from. On a different note, one should always go and look at the film;
there is often additional information that can help in the investigation. So
please forgive me if I was mean in any way again, it was not my intention.
As far as the records for Portezuelo, Jalisco go, I will look into it later
today and post an answer either tonight or tomorrow morning. I work a late
schedule every Wednesday, sorry! What time period are you interested in?

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane
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Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not

sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,

this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos

there was much changes in borders, new cities being created

ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other

major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel

to those places and back.

I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.

It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and

forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked

this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.

IGI Individual Record

Mexico

Search Results | Download | Print

VICENTE VACA
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
DOLORES ORTIS
Family

Marriage:

23 MAR 1843
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602909
1836 - 1861
0281073
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Thank you, Daniel.
You are right about people traveling in my area. My ancestors are from La Barca, Portezuelo, Jamay, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and I think surrounding areas. I guess I should start by ordering the marriage record of Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz.

Thanks again.
-Esther

Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not

sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,

this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos

there was much changes in borders, new cities being created

ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other

major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel

to those places and back.

I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.

It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and

forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked

this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.

IGI Individual Record

Mexico

Search Results | Download | Print

VICENTE VACA
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
DOLORES ORTIS
Family

Marriage:

23 MAR 1843
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records
are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602909
1836 - 1861
0281073
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Yup, the marriage should lead you into the late 1700s! Which is good

possible more matches in IGI as one gets older in their tree; especially

in Los Altos where most families if not all have been researched

-Daniel

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Potrezuelo

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Esther,

Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.

Good luck!

Eduardo H Seoane

Potrezuelo

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Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the places I mention,

Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders changed, land

was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I am not

mistaken.

-Daniel Mendez

Potrezuelo

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Eduardo,

Thank you! Yes, I believe I recently found a record for one of my Vaca relatives in La Barca. I will also look in Atotonilco el Alto and surrounding areas.

Thank you, and Daniel, and Alessandro! I have new ideas!

-Esther Jordan Lopez

Esther,

Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also
want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same
distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca
first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.

Good luck!

Eduardo H Seoane

Potrezuelo

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Daniel,

Thank you for the tips on history and geography. This is improving my research.

I have more places to look into. -Esther Jordan Lopez :-)

Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the
places I mention,

Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders
changed, land

was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I
am not

mistaken.

-Daniel Mendez

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Comment

Alessandro,
Hello, and thank you! This is great. You have given me new ideas to continue my research. I will begin to look into those areas you suggested.

May your life be full of joy! -Esther

Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips
about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times
Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town
(town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa
Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we
were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places
arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have
principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca
precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the
following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In
those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families
from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas,
Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.

Hope this info helps you

Best regards

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening

> record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
> 1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the
original,
> or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where
I
> can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the

> dates of his christening.
>
>
>

vaca family

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Esther,

Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?

Rafael Meraz

vaca family

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I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.

Some of their children were:
Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)

*Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
to confirm some dates.

Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan

I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)

I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.

Esther Lopez Jordan

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:

> Esther,
>
> Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario
> De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario
> de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?
>
> Rafael Meraz
>

vaca family

Comment

Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.

Rafael Meraz Madrigal

________________________________
From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family

Some of their children were:
Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)

*Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
to confirm some dates.

Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan

I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)

I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.

Esther Lopez Jordan

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:

vaca family

Comment

My name is Daniel Briones,

I have a Francisco Cabeza de Vaca married to a Josefa Lopez in Ixtlan, Michoacan. I was wondering if you think that these Cabeza de Vacas are possibly related?

Thanks,

Daniel Briones

> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:45:36 -0700
> From: merazrafael@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.
>
> Rafael Meraz Madrigal
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
> Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
> married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.
>
> Some of their children were:
> Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
> Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)
>
> *Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
> to confirm some dates.
>
> Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
> Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan
>
> I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
> this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)
>
> I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.
>
> Esther Lopez Jordan
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:
>
> > Esther,
> >
> > Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario
> > De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario
> > de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?
> >
> > Rafael Meraz
> >
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vaca family

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Daniel,

I just started my research on my Vaca line so I dont know but Ixtlan and Ario de
Rayon are close so I think that they are related.

Rafael Meraz

________________________________
From: Daniel Briones
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:54:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family

My name is Daniel Briones,

I have a Francisco Cabeza de Vaca married to a Josefa Lopez in Ixtlan,
Michoacan. I was wondering if you think that these Cabeza de Vacas are possibly
related?

Thanks,

Daniel Briones

I have found a connection !!

Comment

While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in 1822.

Rafael Meraz

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Rafael, Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas are my direct
descendants; I do need to get confirmation for Rosendo Vaca who married my
gggrandmother, Anastacia Velasquez. All I have is that he was killed before
my ggrandmother Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born. I have an original
birth certificate for my ggrandmother and it has all these names that
connect them.
Does that mean we are cousins?
-Esther Jordan Lopez

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:

> While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of
> Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs
> through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in 1822.
> Rafael Meraz

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Yes, we are distant cousins. Have you found Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas marriage ?
I have looked for it in the date given but could not find it. I have a photo of my 2nd Great grandmother Maria Vaca Verduzco.
Rafael Meraz

From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I have found a connection !!

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Rafael, I don't have photos scanned I can share with you at this time but
hope to have my scanner working soon and I can share a picture or two of my
great grandmother. And if you have your ggrandmother's scanned picture will
you email it to me?

I guess I had better start working more on that line. I do remember my
grandmother, Librada Vaca de Gutierrez, used to go to Michoacan often.
There were family members living there. I was just 5 years old at the time
so I don't remember all the stuff I used to hear from her. So Daniel, you
may have just found our ancestor.
-Esther

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Rafael Meraz wrote:

> Yes, we are distant cousins. Have you found Francisco Cabesa de Baca and
> Lugarda Cuevas marriage ?
> I have looked for it in the date given but could not find it. I have a
> photo of my 2nd Great grandmother Maria Vaca Verduzco.
> Rafael Meraz
>
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I have found a connection !!
>
> Rafael, Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas are my direct
> descendants; I do need to get confirmation for Rosendo Vaca who married my
> gggrandmother, Anastacia Velasquez. All I have is that he was killed
> before
> my ggrandmother Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born. I have an
> original
> birth certificate for my ggrandmother and it has all these names that
> connect them.
> Does that mean we are cousins?
> -Esther Jordan Lopez
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:
>
> > While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of
> > Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs
> > through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in
> 1822.
> > Rafael Meraz
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I have found a connection !!

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I have a Jose Miguel Salome Cabeza de Vaca baptized in San Agustin, Jacona de Plancarte, Michoacan
on 7 Jul 1799 parents are Francisco Cabeza de Vaca and Lugarda Cuevas.

They also had Jose Rafael Cabeza de Vaca baptized in San Francisco, Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
on 11 Jan 1796. They married 12 Feb 1781 San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan, Mexico.

How far have you traced it? They might very well be from Zamora, Michoacan, where my paternal family
lived for two centuries.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I have found a connection !!

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The Cabeza de Vaca were a prominant family in Zamora, Michoacan as early as the beginning of
the XVII century. By birth they were and are today hijosdalgo. A family lore that I was told was
the King of Castilla, I believe it was it was one of the Alfonsos in the XIII century were traveling on a path.
So to not get lost the king commanded the man to kill the cow and remove the head and set it on the path.
During the reconquista the family became hijosdalgos and took on the name Cabeza de Vaca. Similar stories like those
of the Vargas Machuca family.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I have found a connection !!

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Hello Daniel,

The surname was granted to Martín Alhaja, a shephard, who aided the
Castilian King Alfonso VIII during the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in 1212
A.D. Alhaja, who knew the area, placed a cow skull on the road that led to
the battlefield, an unguarded pass in the Sierra Moreno. The Spanish
Christian King surprised the Moorish army and defeated them. This was the
first significant victory for the Christian Spanish during their reconquest
of Spain. He was awarded a coat-of-arms that included a cow skulls in its
design.

Armando

2011/7/6 Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

>
> The Cabeza de Vaca were a prominant family in Zamora, Michoacan as early as
> the beginning of
> the XVII century. By birth they were and are today hijosdalgo. A family
> lore that I was told was
> the King of Castilla, I believe it was it was one of the Alfonsos in the
> XIII century were traveling on a path.
> So to not get lost the king commanded the man to kill the cow and remove
> the head and set it on the path.
> During the reconquista the family became hijosdalgos and took on the name
> Cabeza de Vaca. Similar stories like those
> of the Vargas Machuca family.
>
>
>
> Daniel Méndez Camino
>

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

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Esther,

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane

Librostauro en espanol.....importante!

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barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

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Is anyone familiar with the barrio de Triana in Aquascalientes? My Salas-
Ruedas family may have been from there?

Also, is anyone researching Etzatlan? My Estrada family was from there. I am
hoping to find a census record from that town.

Comments

barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

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Hi Gloria,

I am familiar with the old Barrio de Triana in Aguascalientes. I was there
earlier this year. It is now known as Barrio del Encino, and is within
walking distance (a long walk) from the center of town. Unfortunately, my
research has been only in early church records of Aguascalientes(1600s and
1700s) and so far have not come across any persons with Salas-Ruedas
surname. Just in case you are curious to see what it looks like, I have
attached is a picture of the old church at the center of the Barrio de
Triana.

No information on Etzatlan.

Bill Figueroa

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

> Is anyone familiar with the barrio de Triana in Aquascalientes? My Salas-
> Ruedas family may have been from there?
>
> Also, is anyone researching Etzatlan? My Estrada family was from there.
> I am
> hoping to find a census record from that town.
>
> Gloria Estrada McCrary

barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

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Bill,

As an FYI, this site does not allow you to send photos via e-mail, you can post them directly onto the Nuestros Ranchos website but not through an e-mail attachment, your photo was bounced but the body of the message was allowed to come through.

Alicia
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:06:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

Hi Gloria,

No information on Etzatlan.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan

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Thanks, Alicia. I have posted the picture in the album section of Nuestros
Ranchos. To see it please link to
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15336.

Rgds, Bill

Etzatlan

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Hola Members ,I was wondering if any body can make out the name of the mother of Maria del Rosario Gomez married to Jose Casimiro Munoz in 07 may ,1754 in Etzatlan,Jalisco. Located in the Matrimonios of Etzatlan 1590-1781 image 339. I can make out her father Joseph Gomez but not the mothers name.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso

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