Desde hace unos días he visto que se habla de la familia Villalobos y quiero comentarles que yo desciendo de un hombre llamado Ignacio Villalobos, originario de Teocaltiche, Jalisco en la mesa de l
Jonathan,
You helped me once before and I am hoping you may be able to do so again. I am having a
hard time finding my great, great grandmother, Anastacia Velasquez.
Jonathan,
I also needed to let you know that my great, great grandmother, Anastacia Velasquez married
again to a Jose? Cerda and had children who would be half brothers/sisters to Maria Guadalupe
Vaca Velasquez. Thanks again for whatever help you may give me.
Esther Jordan
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Gloria, I found this in my records, it is the only child I have for this couple in my files: I don't know if it's the same couple you are looking for or not.. hope it helps.
baptism 25 Dec 1808 in Jerez
Maria Josefa Soledad Roman Espanola born in Jerez 7 days old
parent: Jose Maria Roman and Maria Ygnacia de Orosco
pat grn: Bernardo Roman and Ysavel Ortis
mat grn: Jose Antonio de Orosco and Maria Josefa Sanches
pad: Jose Leon Roman and Maria Altagracia de Casas
source: 0439849 Jerez baptism
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Linda: We all thank you for the work that you do from films in Jerez, Zacatecas. I continue to look for the surname "ROMAN" in Jerez, Zac. I am trying to connect them to other Roman family members.
Whatever you have, please e-mail it to me.
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Hello everyone,
I am trying to find info on Bernardo Villalobos and his first wife Juana D?valos and their 11 children. My great-grandmother Hermelinda Villalobos D?valos was born in Encarnaci?n de D?az, Jalisco around 1860 and married in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco on 3 May 1877.
Bernardo Villalobos married a 2nd time and had another 11 children. I don't know anything else about the 2nd marriage.
I just realized I had written down the names Juan Villalobos and Altagracia Ibarra which I would have gotten from a cousin of my father. They are most likely the parents of Bernardo Villalobos.
Hola a todos,
Estoy tratando de encontrar m?s informaci?n sobre Bernardo Villalobos y su primera esposa Juana D?valos y sus once hijos. Mi bisabuela Hermelinda Villalobos D?valos nacio en Encarnaci?n de D?az, Jalisco alredor de 1860 y se cas? en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco el 3 de Mayo 1877.
Bernardo Villalobos tuvo otros once hijos con su segunda esposa pero no se nada mas sobre ese matrimonio.
Me acabo de dar cuenta que yo habia apuntado los nombres Juan Villalobos y Altagracia Ibarra que me habian dado un t?o, primo de mi pap?. Han de ser los pap?s de Bernardo Villalobos.
Un saludo cordial,
Armando
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I'm in the process of redoing one of the first baptism films I did when I started my search for my ancestors in Jerez Zacatecas 12 or so years ago. When I started reading records from Mexico my Spanish was really bad and trying to read a film from 1806 was truly beyond me, I just didn't know it! 12 years later I'm finding mistakes that are terrible and have left me wondering how many records I have shared with others that are in error? The one thing it has taught me is to use other peoples records as a base to start my own search. We can't take what people like me shared with good intentions but were in error as fact until we check it ourselves. Some errors are numbers like 2 instead of 12, others are my ignorance of the given names in Mexico during that time period.
I hope others new to researching take what we share but order the films and records for themselves to double check the information.
The film 0439849 Jerez baptism has many errors in it's own and I did my best at the time but now it's time to make corrections in my research. Progress not perfection is a good rule in genealogy.
Linda in Everett
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Hello everyone, my name is Maria Gonzalez. I have been searching for my ancestros for a few years now. The majority of my family come from San Jose de Ojuelos and Cienega de Mata, Jal.
Maria,
Several members of the group descend from the same Macias-Valades line. Juan Macias-Valades was son of Joseph Macias Valades and Catalina de la Vega. I guess you must know that Juan married Juana Domingues (I got information on the Dominguez and Alonso de los Hinojos if you are interested). Sebastian Macias as you may know married Juana Gonzalez de Hermosillo daughter of Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Juana Aldrete. We got lot of information on the Gonzalez Hermosillo line. Also you may know that from Juana Aldrete you will be connected to the Petronila Moctezuma line (reportedly the great-great grandaughter of Moctezuma II Aztec Emperor). Pedro Nolasco Macias married Maria de los Remedios (de los Reyes) Aranda. I have some information on the Martin Sotoymayor family of Maria. I have information on many of their children, including Manuel Ygnacio and his brother Jose Miguel (my family line). I will be happy to exchange information with you.
Sincerely
Jaime Alvarado
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Hello everyone, my name is Maria Gonzalez. I have been searching for my ancestros for a few years now. The majority of my family come from San Jose de Ojuelos and Cienega de Mata, Jal. But I have found more family member in neighgboring areas like Sta. Maria de los Lagos, and Teocaltiche. The ones I am focus on at the moment is Lira and Masias. Pablo Lira (son1851), Bonifasio Lira marries Emiliana Romuala Masias (20 May 1812). Jose Masias (b1774), Manuel Ygnacio Masias-Balades (around 1750), Pedro Nocolasco Masias (around 1700), Sebastian Masias (around 1690), Juan Macias-Valades (around 1670) . All except Juan Masias that I know have been married in Cienega de Mata, Jalisco. I'm looking forward to learning from everyone with their thoughts and suggestions and to share what information I can bring to the group.
MGonzalez
Hello Jaime
I am in awe with all this information. I did have the names of Juana's parents Juan Hernandez and Ana Domingues de los Hinojos but I haven't researched the films with Juana Domingues birth date. I have it as 11 Apr 1665 Ags. Is that what you have?
I do have a photocopy of Sevastian Macias-Valades and Juana Hermosillo marriage on 6 July 1710 from the LDS library. I still have to verify on the birth date of Juana Alderte, the date I have of her christening is 10 Jan 1689. Do you have the same? I had no idea about the connection of Juana Alderte to Moctezuma II. How did you find it? Is it in the LDS films? Do you any books that you might recommend for research? For the children of Pedro Nolasco Macias and Ma Remedioz Aranda I have,
Manuel Ygnacio (?1750); Francisco Antonio (?); Joseph de la Trinidad, b.16 Jan 1746; Juan Antonio c.20 Jan 1748; Ma. Antonia Theodora (?). Well that's all I have at the moment. Thank you for sharing. I hope to communicate further.
Sincerely,
MGonzalez
Maria Gonzalez
HI María, Im glad we have a new member to our great group, we are already related, I also descend from the Macías-Valadés like many alteños here. Juan was married 12 jun 1693 in Aguascalientes to Juana Gómez de Espejo, we were actually talking about this not too long ago. Well I can send what I have tomorrow, Juan was son of José de M. y V.
and Catalina Tavera de la Vega (aka: Rubio) (we can give an entire explanation as to the AKA's for many Spanish people of the time) People could have used any numerous last names. Juana Gómez de Espejo was daughter of Juan Hernández y Gamiño and Ana Domínguez, I believe Juana used her grandmother's name, if im not mistaken, I can check. *Note Juana did not use her father's name but her grandmother. Ill send you a file with all my stuff starting with Pedro Nolasco, Im mostly useful and helpful within the 1500s-late 1700's. I have a huge alteño family database so I can try helping you with other lines If you'd like, I dont want to keep all this stuff to myself, we need to share so we can keep growing our tree. I learned citing is important! -Daniel Camino
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Hi Daniel, thanks for the information. Can you direct me where to start reading up on the explanation as to why and how the Spanish people would use AKA's. I would like to read up on the states of Jalisco and Aguascalientes.Thanks again, M Gonzalez
Im glad it helps, Im not sure where or if there is such a book about specifially the AKA. I know Retoñs just explain where each person got the AKA. "El apellido que utilizó por su abuela..something typical youd read. Well to get to he point, before the indepndence of Spanish America, there were no rules of surnames, not even the typical father mother combo. Until the Borbón Reforms it was placed. Take this family Rodrigo Olivares and María Hurtado de Mendoza, hey had Catalina, Francisca and Isbael Hurtado de Mendoza and Bernabé Olivares, notice all daughters take mother's name. Isabel is named after her grandmother the GREAT isabel I Hurtado de Mendoza. Many Ranchos members can trace to her several times. I trace to her on 12 different time, alteños intermarried too Much. LOL. Also the children could take which ever side was more important or prominant. If both were of equal, then they could combine last names. The original Hurtado de Mendoza broke into about 7 different families all contain Mendoza,
Hurtado de Mendoza, Gómez de Mendoza, Gutiérrez de Mendoza, Sánchez de Mendoza, de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendoza, de Alcalá y Hurtado de Mendoza, López de Quezada y Mendoza. Most of the families in Los Altos also happend like this, creating different new names must have been a joy. I hope this helps. Also you may here Los Altos family, Yes the main Los Altos de Jalisco is a region but its family (alteños) extend into southern Zacatecas, northeast Zacatecas (pinos area), Aguascalientes, Guanjuato, Northwestern michoacán, southern Jalisco and to Guadalajara. This is because the rapid movement and travel Alteños did, taking them their blood alteño. -Daniel
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Hello all,
Does anyone have information or relatives from Concepcion del Oro, Zacatecas with the last name Evoras - Evora - Eboras - Ebora allied with the last names Tremiño (also witten as Trem
Hello All Group Members: Ive been busy making copies of La Sagrada Mitra by Luz Montejano Hilton and so far have copied the first 125 pages of the dispensas, if any one needs a scan or lookup I will be gladly to help anyone.
If you could look up my grandmother for me I would greatly appreciate it. Her name is Paula/Pabla Ramos Mascorro, born in Aguascalientes, 19 JUN 1876, parents, Antonio Ramos, Jesusita Mascorro.
Any and all information if any.
Warm Regards, Delia deljmar99@webtv.net
Daniel please be careful here as there are copyright issues to consider.
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> Hello All Group Members: Ive been busy making copies of La Sagrada
> Mitra by Luz Montejano Hilton and so far have copied the first 125
> pages of the dispensas, if any one needs a scan or lookup I will be
> gladly to help anyone.
> -Daniel Camino
Tecnically its legal I just cant sell it or profit from it.
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I have concerns about its legality. I was going to photocopy the hernandez line from SHARR volume V for Bill because of his interest but decided not to because of these same concerns. I am going to put together a gedcom file instead. I am also trying to find out if they are still some copies for sale.
R.A.Ricci
Hello-
I am looking for the mother and maternal grandmother of María Tavera que nació apróx. en 1626.
She was married to Gerónimo de Ornelas Mendoza se casó apróximadamente en 1645 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco .Los padres de Gerónimo son Alvaro Ornelas Mendoza y Petronila Orozco, The four children of Maria and Gernomimo are José Ornelas Villaseñor de 1646, Margarita Tavera de 1648, Juana Mendoza dse 1650, y Gertrudis Ornelas Villaseñor de 1659, todas las fechas son apróx
Hi, I have the info, María Tavera de la Vega is daughter of Antonio Ramírez de Tavera and Leonor Rubio, Leonor Rubio was daughter of Francisco Gutiérrez de la Vega and Ana González y Florida. This is the key part. Francisco was son of Diego González de la Vega and María Rubio. María Tavera also used María Rubio y Godínez, dont know where the last part comes in?, just like Leonor Rubio's grandmother. Rubio passed maternally. This also happened many times in the family, Rubio was popoular among the woman of the great alteño family. We also know this because all the Tavera's come from Antonio, he had three sisters. Your María ca. 1625 Antonio Tavera born 1592 or so. I have eight kids in total for Antonio and Leonor Rubio. -Hope this helps. Daniel Camino
IGI Individual Record
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Maria Rubio Godines
Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1630
Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
Antonio Tavera
Family
Mother:
Leonor Rubio or Gutierrez de La Vega
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Another Jewel who knows so much and shares so much....thanks Daniel.
Alicia
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Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 9:23:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Sagrada Mitra De Guadalajara
Hi, I have the info, María Tavera de la Vega is daughter of Antonio Ramírez de Tavera and Leonor Rubio, Leonor Rubio was daughter of Francisco Gutiérrez de la Vega and Ana González y Florida. This is the key part. Francisco was son of Diego González de la Vega and María Rubio. María Tavera also used María Rubio y Godínez, dont know where the last part comes in?, just like Leonor Rubio's grandmother. Rubio passed maternally. This also happened many times in the family, Rubio was popoular among the woman of the great alteño family. We also know this because all the Tavera's come from Antonio, he had three sisters. Your María ca. 1625 Antonio Tavera born 1592 or so. I have eight kids in total for Antonio and Leonor Rubio. -Hope this helps. Daniel Camino
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Maria Rubio Godines
Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1630
Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
Antonio Tavera
Family
Mother:
Leonor Rubio or Gutierrez de La Vega
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Dear Armando--
Thanks for the information. I have been to a number of places in Los Altos and felt having a smaller car to go along some of the very winding roads to be
Sunday, May 31, 2009
Dear Linda--
Thanks for inquiring about the name of Ramon MUNGUIA. No, this is not one of mine. As a matter of fact I have very few MUNGUIA names and not any good info
Could any one tell me if a town named Atoyop existed in Jalisco in the 1940's.? It does not seem to exist now.?
Any chance the name could be Atoyac?
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Could any one tell me if a town named Atoyop existed in Jalisco in the
1940's.? It does not seem to exist now.? I am in need of church records from
that area.
Tracey
Hello, Im just putting this out here does anyone know who is Bartholomé Martín who married María Sánchez de Mendoza daughter of Marta Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Sánchez de Lara back in the ear
Daniel,
On Ancestry.com, there is a family tree which includes Bartolome Martin del Campo (b: 1574)Revilla de Campos, Revilla, Espana; parents: Juan Martin de Campos (b:1547) and Maria Antonia Antolin (b:1549); Juan's parents: Blas Martin del Campo and Antonia de la Torre; Maria Antonia's parents:Juan Antolin and Toribia Simon; Toribia's parents:Alonso Simon and Juana Giron. I've attached the link. These are the parents I had listed initially for Bartolome.
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Eloise Gomez Reyes
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Hello, Im just putting this out here does anyone know who is Bartholomé Martín who married María Sánchez de Mendoza daughter of Marta Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Sánchez de Lara back in the earyl 1600s and late 1590s? Is Bartholomé Martín the same as Bartholomé Martín del campo? -Daniel
Daniel,
I have reviewed the baptism registry for Bartolome Martin. Source 0227520, Batch J605093, Dates 1544-1608, Sagrario Metropolitano. It is dated September 11, 1567. Father: Pablo Martin, Mother: Maria de Campos: Padrinos: Antonio Perez y su mujer Leonor Marquez. In the same film I found Maria Martin dated July 23 1573. It is too hard to read the rest of the entry on Maria but I can see that the parents are also Pablo Martin and Maria de Campos. My guess, without further investigation, is that Bartolome Martin and Bartolome Martin del Campo are the same. I tried to attach it to an earlier message, but was unsuccessful. I also tried to download it through "Create Content." If you do not already have it, I can e-mail it to you directly.
Eloise Reyes
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Sánchez de Mendoza Family
Hello, Im just putting this out here does anyone know who is Bartholomé Martín who married María Sánchez de Mendoza daughter of Marta Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Sánchez de Lara back in the earyl 1600s and late 1590s? Is Bartholomé Martín the same as Bartholomé Martín del campo? -Daniel
Please Eloise send me a copy, i was stuck on this line b/c someone on genealogia de Mexico stated thar Bartolome Martin del campo was son of juan Martin del Campo and Antonia Atolini. Bartolome was said to have been from Palencia in los Reino de Castilla, but there isnt evidence ive seen? Have you been able to find a marriage for him and Maria Sanchez?
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Sánchez de Mendoza Family
>
> Daniel,
> I have reviewed the baptism registry for Bartolome Martin. Source 0227520, Batch J605093, Dates 1544-1608, Sagrario Metropolitano. It is dated September 11, 1567. Father: Pablo Martin, Mother: Maria de Campos: Padrinos: Antonio Perez y su mujer Leonor Marquez. In the same film I found Maria Martin dated July 23 1573. It is too hard to read the rest of the entry on Maria but I can see that the parents are also Pablo Martin and Maria de Campos. My guess, without further investigation, is that Bartolome Martin and Bartolome Martin del Campo are the same. I tried to attach it to an earlier message, but was unsuccessful. I also tried to download it through "Create Content." If you do not already have it, I can e-mail it to you directly.
>
>
> Eloise Reyes
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Hello, Im just putting this out here does anyone know who is Bartholomé Martín who married María Sánchez de Mendoza daughter of Marta Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Sánchez de Lara back in the earyl 1600s and late 1590s? Is Bartholomé Martín the same as Bartholomé Martín del campo? -Daniel
Dear Nuestros Ranchos members,
I have a question regarding our recent DNA sample submitted to Family Tree DNA. We submitted a sample and have received the MTDNA, for HVR1 and HVR2.
Yes, 1 of 4 different samples (four different male lines) came back with a
need for SNP testing after they had already run two samples. My
understanding is that they did not have enough close matches in their bank
of data to clearly define the haplogroup. In that case it ended up to be
Haplogroup Q, but with no matches thus far. I have found the staff there
very willing to explain the issues involved, so call or email them. One
time I had to wait several days for a call-back, but it came.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos members,
>
> I have a question regarding our recent DNA sample submitted to Family Tree
> DNA. We submitted a sample and have received the MTDNA, for HVR1 and HVR2.
> My question is about my brother's Y DNA. They indicated they could not
> predict his haplogroup therefore they will be running his DNA sample through
> what they call Backbone SNP. Have any of you experienced this? Is this
> common or is this an anomaly?
>
>
> During the 3rd Annual Family Tree DNA Conference on Genetic Genealogy, we
> announced that if we could not predict your haplogroup with 100%
> confidence, we would run your DNA sample through our Backbone SNP test for
> free. Please note that the DNA values that you received are
> correct, it is the haplogroup that we would like to confirm through this
> additional test.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Alicia, San Jose, Calif
Thanks for your response Raquel,
I will call or write them to get more detailed information.
Best Regards,
Alicia
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA, Backbone SNP TEST
Yes, 1 of 4 different samples (four different male lines) came back with a
need for SNP testing after they had already run two samples. My
understanding is that they did not have enough close matches in their bank
of data to clearly define the haplogroup. In that case it ended up to be
Haplogroup Q, but with no matches thus far. I have found the staff there
very willing to explain the issues involved, so call or email them. One
time I had to wait several days for a call-back, but it came.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos members,
>
> I have a question regarding our recent DNA sample submitted to Family Tree
> DNA. We submitted a sample and have received the MTDNA, for HVR1 and HVR2.
> My question is about my brother's Y DNA. They indicated they could not
> predict his haplogroup therefore they will be running his DNA sample through
> what they call Backbone SNP. Have any of you experienced this? Is this
> common or is this an anomaly?
>
>
> During the 3rd Annual Family Tree DNA Conference on Genetic Genealogy, we
> announced that if we could not predict your haplogroup with 100%
> confidence, we would run your DNA sample through our Backbone SNP test for
> free. Please note that the DNA values that you received are
> correct, it is the haplogroup that we would like to confirm through this
> additional test.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Alicia, San Jose, Calif
Alicia,
I had My Y DNA at Family Tree. Due to the unlikely result they did a
Backbone SNP that they did not charge me for. I recall that part of
this test is to rule out other haplogroups. Although records show my
paternal line originates in San Luis Potosi, the actual origin showed
Haplogroup O, originating in South Asia, probably the Phillipines.
This is not found in the native American population.
I'd be curious to hear the result of your brother's test
Eric Robledo Edgar
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos members,
>
> I have a question regarding our recent DNA sample submitted to Family Tree DNA. We submitted a sample and have received the MTDNA, for HVR1 and HVR2. My question is about my brother's Y DNA. They indicated they could not predict his haplogroup therefore they will be running his DNA sample through what they call Backbone SNP. Have any of you experienced this? Is this common or is this an anomaly?
>
>
> During the 3rd Annual Family Tree DNA Conference on Genetic Genealogy, we announced that if we could not predict your haplogroup with 100%
> confidence, we would run your DNA sample through our Backbone SNP test for
> free. Please note that the DNA values that you received are
> correct, it is the haplogroup that we would like to confirm through this
> additional test.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Alicia, San Jose, Calif
Thanks Eric,
That's good to know, I'll let everyone know the outcome of the Backbone SNP test when we receive the results.
Have a good holiday everyone, and let's not forget to remember and give thanks for our war veterans.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
________________________________
From: eric edgar
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:17:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA, Backbone SNP TEST
Alicia,
I had My Y DNA at Family Tree. Due to the unlikely result they did a
Backbone SNP that they did not charge me for. I recall that part of
this test is to rule out other haplogroups. Although records show my
paternal line originates in San Luis Potosi, the actual origin showed
Haplogroup O, originating in South Asia, probably the Phillipines.
This is not found in the native American population.
I'd be curious to hear the result of your brother's test
Eric Robledo Edgar
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos members,
>
> I have a question regarding our recent DNA sample submitted to Family Tree DNA. We submitted a sample and have received the MTDNA, for HVR1 and HVR2. My question is about my brother's Y DNA. They indicated they could not predict his haplogroup therefore they will be running his DNA sample through what they call Backbone SNP. Have any of you experienced this? Is this common or is this an anomaly?
>
>
> During the 3rd Annual Family Tree DNA Conference on Genetic Genealogy, we announced that if we could not predict your haplogroup with 100%
> confidence, we would run your DNA sample through our Backbone SNP test for
> free. Please note that the DNA values that you received are
> correct, it is the haplogroup that we would like to confirm through this
> additional test.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Alicia, San Jose, Calif
Gracias, Arturo Ramos- Bill Figueroa- Jaime R. Alvarado y a los demas del grupo.
Soy nueva en nuestros ranchos. Busco primos de la familia Gama, Guzmán, y García. Mis parientes eran del area de Tamazula, Union de San Antonio, San Miguel El Alto, Ciuudad Guzman, y de Colima.
My grandfather Rodolfo Gama was born around 1910 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco. His sisters were Maria Gama born on Nov 25, 1906 and Tomasa Gama born on Oct 2, 1904 in Tamazula. Their parents were Jose Crus Gama born Sep 14, 1873 in Arandas and Rosario Cruz.
Jose Crus Gama had many siblings: Micaela (DOB 1880, San Miguel el Alto), Antonio (DOB 1881), Brigida (DOB 1883, Union de San Antonio), Ysabel (DOB 1885, Union de San Antonio), and Eustacio (DOB 1888, Union de San Antonio). Their parents were Jose Ysabel Gama and Ramona Munos who were married on June 1, 1879 in San Miguel el Alto. Jose Ysabel Gama was the child of Manuel Gama (unknown DOB, estimated 1830) and Felipa Ramirez (unknown DOB, estimated 1830).
I do not know much about my grandfather Rodolfo Gama because my grandmother left him in 1942. They were married in 1939 and lived in Manzanillo, Colima.
Rosie Cordova
Rosie:
Bienvenida al grupo. Seguro que encontraras primos por aqui...
Nos podrias proveer fechas y lugares para los nombres de tus ancestros que has proveido. Es bastante dificil seguir los nombres sin esos datos que son importantisimos para la investigacion genealogica.
Linda,
Thank you so much for all your work in sharing the Jerez records.
I would like to thank Linda Castanon-Long for being so generous in the time that she took to diligently transcribe the Jerez baptism records from the end of the 19th century. She has also been generous enough to post them on our website for all users to download and read at their leisure.
The files can be found in the Files Section under Reference Materials:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jerez_baptisms
Me gustaria darle las gracias a Linda Castanon-Long por ser tan generosa con el tiempo que ha dedicado a transcribir en forma tan diligente los registros de bautismo de Jerez, Zacatecas del fin del siglo XIX. Tambien ha sido tan generosa como para compartir las transcripciones y cargarlas a nuestro sitio para que todos los miembros puedan descargarlas y leerlas a su propio tiempo.
Los archivos se encuentran en la seccion de Archivos-Materiales de Referencia
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jerez_baptisms
Erlinda
I would also like to thank you for doing this! People like you who work so hard, and freely share your work, are the "gems of genealogy!"
You are a good role model for all of us!
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Hi everybody i just wander if any one has for sale the books Retonos de espana or know were to buy them,thanks.
Luis:
Nuestros Ranchos member Rick Rodriguez runs a specialty bookstore online specializing in microhistory and genealogy books about Jalisco. He has Volumes 1 and 2 for sale in his online store. You can find the link to his store and other specialty bookstores in the Links Section of the site.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15659
Rick Rodriguez, quien es miembro de Nuestros Ranchos tiene una libreria en linea especializando en libros de microhistoria y genealogia sobre Jalisco. El tiene los tomos 1 y 2 de venta en su tienda en linea. Puedes encontrar el vinculo a su tienda asi como a otras tiendas especializadas en temas similares en la seccion de vinculos del sitio:
Buenas tardes don Luis,
Le recomiendo que espere la nueva edición de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, Mariano enriqueció mucho la obra, en diez tantos aproximadamente; conocí la primera versión impresa de esta nueva edición y le aseguro que quedará muy complacido de esta obra magna de la genealogía. Solo restaría esperar a que terminen de editarla.
Cordialmente,
BUENAS NOCHES LEON?
LEON CREO POR SU CORREO ELECTRONICO GRACIAS POR LA SUGERENCIA, TIENE USTED ALGUNA IDEA DE CUANDO SALEN A LA VENTA, GRRACIAS TAMBIEN POR EL HONOR DE DON CREO QUE NO SOY TAN VIEJO NI TAN HONORABLE PARA MERECER EL DON,
UN SALUDO CALUROSO PARA USTED Y TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.
LUIS M GONZALEZ
________________________________
From: "leondetejada@gmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:18:21 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España...
Buenas tardes don Luis,
Le recomiendo que espere la nueva edición de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, Mariano enriqueció mucho la obra, en diez tantos aproximadamente; conocí la primera versión impresa de esta nueva edición y le aseguro que quedará muy complacido de esta obra magna de la genealogía. Solo restaría esperar a que terminen de editarla.
Cordialmente,
HI ARTURO THANKS FOR THE ADVICE, I HAVE TRY THIS BOOK STORE, I DON'T IF IT IS MY COMPUTER , THERE IS NO WAY TO ORDER THE BOOKS, THERE IS NOTHING BUT THE HOME PAGE, I JUST CAN'T ORDER THEM, AGAIN GRACIAS.
LUIS M GONZALEZ
________________________________
From: "arturo.ramos2@gmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:37:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos de Espana en Nueva Galicia
Luis:
Nuestros Ranchos member Rick Rodriguez runs a specialty bookstore online specializing in microhistory and genealogy books about Jalisco. He has Volumes 1 and 2 for sale in his online store. You can find the link to his store and other specialty bookstores in the Links Section of the site.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15659
Rick Rodriguez, quien es miembro de Nuestros Ranchos tiene una libreria en linea especializando en libros de microhistoria y genealogia sobre Jalisco. El tiene los tomos 1 y 2 de venta en su tienda en linea. Puedes encontrar el vinculo a su tienda asi como a otras tiendas especializadas en temas similares en la seccion de vinculos del sitio:
I justed wanted to add to the group that I have used Google books for my research. I have Googled people and in fact I've been Googled.
awesome! and congratulations!
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, rosehardy@hotmail.com wrote:
From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tips for Google Books
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 5:22 PM
I justed wanted to add to the group that I have used Google books for my research. I have Googled people and in fact I've been Googled. Like any search engine it is always best to tailor your search using quote marks. It filters out the junk. While working on my last project I found that my great-great grandfather converted to the Presbyterian religion and was the first church elder in Irwindale, California around 1900. I had found OLD Presbyterian journals in Google books with articles about my g-g grandfather and pictures of the rock church, which still stands to this day.
Google books is always worth a try and if you can't view the book online, at least you have the book information and try to order it on interlibrary loan through the local county library.
Rose Hardy
Fresno, CA
I am looking to buy a copy of La Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara by Luz Montejano Hilton but George Farias' bookstore (Borderlands Books) no longer has it available and I cannot seem to find it anywhere.
I got a message from George Farias at Borderlands Books telling me that he has been trying to contact Luz Montejano for some time now to get more copies of the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara but has not been successful. If someone has a way of contacting her, please let George and me know.
I do not know where to find the book but there is a search that you can do
to see if your surname is in the book and how many times it is mentioned. It
looks like it is pretty reliable but I am not sure because I did a search
for Avila and the search said there were 30 pages where Avila was mentioned
but the index in the back of the book has 46 individuals. Some of the
individuals appear on the same page but I am not about to go through the
whole list to see how reliable this search is. Regardless, here is the URL
in case you want to try it out:
http://books.google.com/books?id=r05mAAAAMAAJ&q=avila&pgis=1
Saludos desde Salt Lake City, Utah
Eduardo:
Thank you for the link. I did not know that the book was up on Google books. I have a copy of the book but being able to search through the scan may prove useful nevertheless.
That being said, the book is not for me. It is for the microhistorian (cronista) of Totatiche who is a very diligent researcher who has published numerous books and spent immeasurable hours at archives in Guadalajara, which have benefited me and many other genealogy researchers of the region immensly. He wants a copy that he can hold and sift through as he is so good at doing and given the great debt I owe him, I was hoping to get him one.
Arturo,
I want to clarify and I am sorry if I somehow said something misleading: Google Books is not showing the images of Luz Montejano's book, just a few small sections of the page where the surname appears. There are no full page images, (that would probably be a copyright infringement.) However, Google books has made a sort of index of the surnames that is accessible online. Searches: return the amount of pages where the surname appears in the book. So once someone knows that their surname appears in the book then they can search the actual book or have someone search it for them.
I hope this helps to understand what Google books has and has not done with Luz Montejano's book.
Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane
I just learned about Google Books at a lecture by a person that runs the web site googleyourfamilytree.com. He is not affiliated with Google in any way but he has a lot of great hints on how to use Google to research your family history-mostly free since Google doesn't charge for most features. One thing that may be of assistance to us is that if you are looking for a book on a specific subject you can go straight to Google books and weed out everything (like sites, images, etc)but books which decreases your number of hits. If they have the book, they may have the entire book or just pages but since it's in pdf format you can do a keyword search and it will highlight your words. This is especially helpful if the book is in a language in which you are not fluent. This is probably basic stuff for experienced researchers but for newbies/"nuevas" (is that correct?)like me it was helpful information that I would like to pass on.
Sherri Mora
Arturo,
Luz Montejano Hilton posts lots of messages in the various message boards. She lives in Mexico City and probably someone at the Archives there can tell you how to contact her. She might even be able to get a copy or lend a copy to the cronista. She used to e-mail me back, but then she stopped, and I never heard from her again. She only speaks Spanish even though her surname is not Hispanic.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book
Eduardo:
Thank you for the link. I did not know that the book was up on Google books. I have a copy of the book but being able to search through the scan may prove useful nevertheless.
That being said, the book is not for me. It is for the microhistorian (cronista) of Totatiche who is a very diligent researcher who has published numerous books and spent immeasurable hours at archives in Guadalajara, which have benefited me and many other genealogy researchers of the region immensly. He wants a copy that he can hold and sift through as he is so good at doing and given the great debt I owe him, I was hoping to get him one.
I do not know where to find the book but there is a search that you can do to see if your surname is in the book and how many times it is mentioned. It looks like it is pretty reliable but I am not sure because I did a search for Avila and the search said there were 30 pages where Avila was mentioned but the index in the back of the book has 46 individuals. Some of the individuals appear on the same page but I am not about to go through the whole list to see how reliable this search is. Regardless, here is the URL in case you want to try it out: http://books.google.com/books?id=r05mAAAAMAAJ&q=avila&pgis=1
Saludos desde Salt Lake City, Utah
Good Evening,
Does anyone have any information on Diego Machado Rengel born in Fresnillo, Zacatecas about 1626. His parents were Capitan Hernando Machado and Maria Bernal.
Thanks----Gloria Lopez
________________________________
From: "research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
To: research@lists.NuestrosRanchos.
Hi all I have this couple Felipe Navarro (ca. 1730) Ma. Rosalía de Guzmán (ca. 1735) who had Ma. San Juan baptized 6 jul 1763 who married Juan de Aceves?
Sunday, May 17, 2009
Dear Daniel--
I checked your names with what I had in Ayo el Chico and could find nothing. Sorry.
Patricia Burton
San Diego
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, mendezdelcamino@live.com wrote:
> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Any help with Ayo El Chico? (Ayotlán)
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:41 PM
> Hi all I have this couple Felipe Navarro (ca. 1730) Ma.
> Rosalía de Guzmán (ca. 1735) who had Ma. San Juan baptized
> 6 jul 1763 who married Juan de Aceves? Does anyonehave info
> on this people who have focused on Ayo Elchico or its
> surroundsings Arandas, Tepatitlán, La Barca etc..? Were
> talking from 1730 or so to the late 1700's with this
> family? Many thanks? -Daniel Camino
Hola de nuevo y gracias por su paciencia para conmigo. Quiero agradecerte Irma por tu informacion. Y bueno platicarte que tu mama y mi papa son primos hermanos mi papa es hijo de Ygnacio Gtz.
Hola de nuevo y gracias por la informacion que me han ofrecido puntual, sobre mi bisabuelo benigno gutierez padilla. Ahora mi duda es con respecto a la madre de el. Canuta Padilla Gallo.
Cheque:
Para responder a tu pregunta toca saber si has visto los registros si mismos o estas basando los nombres que mencionas solamente de las transcripciones de otros o de la base de datos de los mormones.
Si seriamente quieres tener informacion correcta toca pedir los rollos correspondientes y leerlos en si. Es muy posible que el voluntario que transcribio el bautismo de Maria Canuta Padilla haya leido mal el registro pero no podras saber eso sin leerlo tu mismo. Ademas es posible que el cura o el escribano "se le chispotio" y puso el nombre mal.
Segun la base de datos de los mormones, el matrimonio de los padres de Maria Canuta que se celebro el 6 de mayo de 1809, el novio se llamaba Anastacio asi que ahora tienes tres nombres...
Hola saludos a todos los miembros de este grupo tan importante en genealogia. mi bisabuelo fue benigno gutierrez padilla de san juan de los lagos. el cual nacio el 13 de febrero de 1842.
Hola, no sé si tienes este dato? -Daniel Camino
José Santa Ana Gutiérrez, hijo de Ignacio Gutiérrez y Salomé Gutiérrez
Canuta Padilla, hija de Antonio de Padilla y Francisca Pérez del Gallo
casaron 1 oct 1839
en Jalostotitlán
José Ana se bautizó 28 JUL 1815 en San Juan de los Lagos.
. VICTORIANO GUTIERREZ - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Birth: El Tule, , , Mexico
2. SEVERIANO GUTIERREZ - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Birth: El Rancho Del Tule
3. JOSE ANA GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Birth: El Tule
4. JOSE FRANCO. GUTIERRES GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 09 MAY 1814 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
5. JOSE ANA GUTIERRES GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUL 1815 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
6. JOSE SEBERIANO GUTIERRES GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 24 FEB 1817 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
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Cheque:
La base de datos de los Mormones en http://www.familysearch.org tiene lo siguiente. Es la fecha del bautismo. Si quieres saber por seguro, toca que leas el rollo tu mismo. Dira cuantos dias tenia de nacido el niño y asi podras deducir la fecha de nacimiento. Tambien tendra los nombres de los abuelos y de los padrinos... informacion bastante importante.
BENIGNO GUTIERS. PADILLA
Christening: 16 FEB 1842
San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSE ANA GUTIERS.
Mother: CANUTA PADILLA
Batch No.: C603397 1840 - 1843 Film No. 0220657
Puedes usar la base de datos de rollos de microfilmacion de este sitio para ir direcatamente a algun libro de registros de un pueblo en particular para una fecha en particular. Yo asi encontre este registro bastante facil.
Anastacia Velasquez